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Category:Soccer clubs in Shreveport, Louisiana

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The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category (1 article) unlikely to grow. Dual merge to Sports teams in Shreveport, Louisiana as well. TM 21:56, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ice hockey teams in Shreveport, Louisiana

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The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to Category:Sports teams in Shreveport, Louisiana as well. Small category unlikely to grow. TM 21:49, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by city

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete the New Orleans categories, as it is not necessary to categorize multi-purpose venues by each sport they host(ed). I am not upmerging to '[X] in Louisiana' since that would still be overcategorization of venues by event. No action on Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by city (without prejudice to renominating), since that category now contains 4 other subcategories that are not nominated. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:52, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No need for this level of granularity--by state is enough.
Subcategories: Category:Wrestling venues in New Orleans and Category:Professional wrestling venues in New Orleans can be 'upmerged to [x] in Louisiana. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:24, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Wow. There are enough venues in both Category:Wrestling venues in New Orleans and Category:Professional wrestling venues in New Orleans to keep them. There are also other cities in the U.S. with these categories that could fit under Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by city. I added cities to have five categories under Wrestling venues by city. This doesn't include many major U.S. cities, which could be easily be added. Took about an hour to do rather than deleting. Please lets not level/destroy categories when they have enough content under them or content is available and can be easily added. Spatms (talk) 21:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the usual guideline of "unlikely to grow" is a relevant one in many of the categories you've posted today, Justin. It's easy to expand the categories, which is surely more sensible than deleting them when they fit into wider schemes such as "sports by state" or "sports by city". Grutness...wha? 00:38, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reluctant Keep/Support in Principle Categorizing multipurpose arenas that host home shows, wrestling shows, bridal shows, medical conventions and rock concerts by each booking is non-defining, and that's exactly what's going on in Category:Wrestling venues in Los Angeles, for instance. But you need to start at the bottom and work up: as long as those problematic child categories exist, this parent makes sense navigation wise. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:54, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete I just realized all the subcategories grouping anywhere that ever hosted a wrestling show were just created since this nomination, above. Delete as nominated and we can get rid of subcategories equivalent to Category:Multipurpose venues that hosted a car show in North Las Vegas later. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:07, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Curling in the United States by state

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:50, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Subcategories: Category:Curling in California‎, Category:Curling in Florida‎, Category:Curling in Illinois‎, Category:Curling in Indiana‎, Category:Curling in Maryland‎, Category:Curling in Massachusetts‎, Category:Curling in Michigan‎, Category:Curling in Minnesota‎, Category:Curling in Nebraska‎, Category:Curling in Nevada‎, Category:Curling in New Jersey‎, Category:Curling in New York (state)‎, Category:Curling in North Dakota‎, Category:Curling in Pennsylvania‎, Category:Curling in Utah‎, Category:Curling in Washington (state), Category:Curling in Wisconsin‎
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to appropriate subcategories of Category:Curling in the United States and by-state categories (e.g. San Francisco Bay Area Curling Club is already in Category:Curling clubs in the United States and Category:Sports teams in San Francisco). There just isn't much about curling in the U.S. Outside of the Minnesota and Wisconsin subcategories, these all have a half-dozen articles or less--most are less than four. Also note that there are no sub-subcategories of this scheme. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:53, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep 13 states have curling pages. That shows that curling is in more states than just Minnesota and Wisconsin and has an impact in multiple state across the U.S. This needs to be a category for organizational purposes. Spatms (talk) 21:39, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep You don't need the entire 50 states to have categories for a scheme to be useful. Currently more than a quarter of them have categories, and there's a decent chance that that may grow. The same is true for most of this series of discussions - if there are more than two or three states grouped together in this way, I see no problem with them remaining. They fit well within the current scheme of Category:Sports in the United States by sport and state. Grutness...wha? 00:11, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Prune States with < 5 Articles Several of these look fine and the parent category is needed but created a tree consistently with underpopulated categories isn't helpful. (I'm fine completely the set if 48 states have 5+ articles and you have a small one for Nebraska and Hawaii.) RevelationDirect (talk) 01:06, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • You also planning to consider deleting the sailing and surfing categories, given that (since a lot of states have no coastline), they'll never reach 50 states? As long as there are at least a handful of states with categories, the scheme is useful. Grutness...wha? 03:10, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, I'm looking for 5 articles that are really about sailing or surfing in the large majority of state articles before we automatically start creating underpopulated ones to complete the set. I'm fine with 5 or 10 state level sports articles that are well populated which is why I don't favor deleting all of these categories. What concerns me here is that we have 5 well populated categories and that's justifying 14 underpopulated ones. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I see no need to delete those state categories with say two or three articles Hugo999 (talk) 08:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Hugo999: How do you feel about the 6 subcategories that currently have 1 article? RevelationDirect (talk) 09:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Squash in the United States by state

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:50, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Subcats: Category:Squash in California, Category:Squash in Michigan, Category:Squash in Texas
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to category:Squash in the United States and individual by-state categories as appropriate. Too little content to build a scheme. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:25, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Prune those Under 5 Articles The articles you added all are Squash related for that state so I'm happy to re-evaluate the categories. As I write this, 6 of 10 have less than 5 articles but the ones that are populated should be kept. Thanks for your work here. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:48, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Eight of ten, unless you're counting a subcategory as an article. Grutness...wha? 10:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Grutness: Oops, I mistakenly took some subcategories as articles in my last comment; sorry about that mistake.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:09, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Easy mistake to make :) Grutness...wha? 07:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cross country running in the United States by state

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:50, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Subcategories: Category:Cross country running in Illinois, Category:Cross country running courses in Illinois
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to Category:Cross country running in the United States as appropriate. There is no scheme for this--just two courses in Illinois. If someone can make the structure of a whole scheme, no prejudice to re-creation but it's just not necessary or helpful for navigation at the moment. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:04, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is also enough content under Cross Country running per state to justify keeping this category. Cross country takes places in all 50 states. Do not delete as content is available now and should be added. Spatms (talk) 21:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I've made a start on expanding the by-state categorisation of cross country, and it's clear there's enough scope for this category to be useful. The same is almost certainly true of all the other by-state sports categories nominated. Grutness...wha? 00:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Having an single article in multiple states isn't a good basis for creating dozens of categories. I'm not seeing the navigational benefit when the whole tree is anemic. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • The "whole tree" has only just been started as an indication of what is possible - there are more articles that can be categorised. And not one of those articles is in multiple state categories. Grutness...wha? 02:12, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I clarified my comment that I'm concerned when the tree consists mostly of 1 article categories, not that a single category is in multiple states. (My wording was definitely unclear.) I have nothing against this sport, but this level of subcategorization that breaks up articles instead of grouping them seems to me would hinder reader navigation for right now. As the article count for Cross Country or other sports grow, this is worth revisiting. Thanks for considering my viewpoint.RevelationDirect (talk) 09:20, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I'd tend to agree. One-article categories are overkill, so it's fine to delete them - but with no prejudice against them being re-created if and when there are more articles. But there is definite growth potential in all these categories. Grutness...wha? 10:56, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also in favor of recreating any of the categories on this page if and when the article count grows.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete, I'm open to the possibility of further populating these categories, however they are meanwhile half a year old, so there has been plenty of opportunity to add more content already - if more content exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cricket in the United States by state

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 12:50, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge all to Category:Cricket in the United States also, upmerge some content to appropriate by state parent categories (e.g. Category:Sports in California): there is too little content on cricket in the United States to justify splitting by state--all of these are one-page categories (Florida has two). ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:43, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Minute Maid Park is the home field of the Houston Astros baseball team. For just one day in 2015, they hosted a cricket match so now that stadium article is in two (2) cricket categories? That feels like WP:PERFCAT to me. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:29, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough - that one probably is overkill. WP:OCVENUE's probably a better criticism though. Grutness...wha? 07:33, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Full upmerge -- I cannot believe that enough cricket is played in US to merit a "by state" split. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    You might be surprised, @Peterkingiron:. There are nearly 40,000 registered players in the US, and there are cricket clubs registered in over 40 US states. The country is currently rated as the 24th best team in the world (out of over 100 that play the sport) - by way of comparison, that's higher than the US's ranking in soccer. The US hosted the first ever cricket international, and completed an international series against Canada just last week. Grutness...wha? 02:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not the amount of players but the amount of articles should be decisive. As long as we don't have several hundreds of articles about cricket in the US it doesn't make sense to split by state (e.g. 250 articles in total divided by 50 states is 5 articles per state on average). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am surprised. The question is however whether enough of the clubs and players are notable to merit a split. I suspect not. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:24, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikimania

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Single-article category; the main article is already appropriately categorized in the various parent categories. (Category creator not notified: inactive) -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:16, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Users who claim to be WikiFallen

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete (C1: empty category). This was a single-user category, and the sole user (also category creator) removed the category from their user page in May 2017. -- Black Falcon (talk) 23:52, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: empty Rathfelder (talk) 16:37, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Up to the year 1000 in Germany, India, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Maya civilization, Mexico, Norway, the Papal states, Portugal, Scotland, Spain, Switzerland, the Republic of Venice, Vietnam

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated, including the full list on the talk page. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:42, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The following is an example, the full list of categories to be merged/deleted are on the talk page.
Nominator's rationale: merge to century level in each of the respective countries, per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly only one article per category. This is a follow-up on this earlier nomination which dealt with the four better populated countries (China, England, France, Japan). This new nomination now concludes with the 'smaller' countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It rather misses the point of the nomination to say, "those countries which still exist"; nobody denies that they currently exist, rather the question is if they existed at that remote time period. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:01, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge Per Nom I clicked through each of the cats and they all have one item. I'm fine with creating a few small subcategories to complete a set but only if the whole tree isn't anemic. I don't share the standards above with treating current countries or decades differently, for me it's all about the article count. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:10, 6 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:210s disestablishments by continent

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: empty Rathfelder (talk) 14:09, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Converts from Islam to agnosticism or atheism

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Same reasons as [1] DVdm (talk) 09:23, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Catholic universities and colleges by location

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The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Other categories included in the nomination
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Consistency with parent category Category:Catholic universities and colleges by country (recently renamed after CFR), as well as with Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church, Category:Catholic Church by country, Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia, etc. Moreover, "Roman" is not used as a disambiguator in this case, as stated here. --Grabado (talk) 07:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Senegalese expatriate footballers in Germany

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The result of the discussion was: delete. All articles already in parent categories. ℯxplicit 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to appropriate parents. No need for intersection of nationality, immigration status, job, sport, and location. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:48, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Republic of Ireland expatriate association footballers in Scotland

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The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories. ℯxplicit 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to parents. No need for an intersection of nationality, location, immigration status, job, and sport. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:41, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American expatriate soccer players in Finland

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The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories. ℯxplicit 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to parents. Unnecessary intersection of nationality, immigration status, job, sport, and location. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:35, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Republic of Ireland expatriate association footballers in England

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The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories. ℯxplicit 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to parent cats. Unnecessary intersection of job, sport, location, immigration status, and nationality. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:33, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American expatriate women's soccer players in Germany

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The result of the discussion was: merge to parent categories. ℯxplicit 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: /Upmerge to both parents. Unnecessary intersection of sex, sport, immigration status, location, and nationality. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:35, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Expatriate association football players in the Americas

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ℯxplicit 05:31, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not really necessary to break apart by continental landmass, nor is there a similar scheme for Eurasia. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:24, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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