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Category:Persecution of ethnic groups by communist regimes

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: While these regimes were probably really mean, this category is a mixture of too different things, and a magnet for OR and POV. The "communist" regimes here have in fact little in common, from 2010s China, Tito-era Yugoslavia, Ho's Vietnam and even (drum roll) Sandinist Nicaragua. The nature of "persecutions" is just as inconsistent, with the ethnic motivation being unclear or tangential (e.g. the Cambodian Genocide or the Insurgency in Laos), or the link between the communist nature of the regime and the ethnic nature of persecution no more than a trivial intersection (see WP:OCEGRS). Previously submitted for speedy deletion under criterion WP:G5 as creation of a blocked sockpuppet. Place Clichy (talk) 22:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Cycling coaches and managers

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 06:16, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There is not a clearly defined difference in the roles of coach and "directeur sportif" (team manager), indeed almost all team managers will also coach their riders. The proposal is to merge the two top level categories under a new name and then rename all subcategories (with the exception of Category:Paralympic cycling coaches). In addition, the categories are very underused with many current team managers not categorised here at all. Severo (talk) 22:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Many of the biographies within the Category:Cycling coaches are coaches but not managers (particularly with regards to track cycling). Categorising coaches does have a place. Severo (talk) 22:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:COVID-19

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Some uses wish to apply the usual naming convention in which category names follow article names (if unambiguous). Others wish to apply {{Current COVID-19 Project Consensus}} which currently says that the full name should be used only in the lead article name, and the abbreviation in names of all other articles and categories etc. per consensus. Meanwhile, I see no reason not to add a redirect. – Fayenatic London 20:42, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per main page Coronavirus disease 2019 Starzoner (talk) 18:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Comedy Central cartoons

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The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 15:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Cartoons" sounds like "comic strips" to me. Fuddle (talk) 16:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British and Irish political parties

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 11:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant with well-established national categories for the UK and Ireland. Note that the two articles present at the root of the category, about two extinct Maoist groups B&ICO and COBI, are already present in more precise subcategories. Place Clichy (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American mayors of Vietnamese descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge. bibliomaniac15 23:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American politicians of Vietnamese descent. Small category that is unlikely to grow; also fails WP:OCEGRS. User:Namiba 14:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not a container category. A now banned user created dozens if not hundreds of small, national categories such as these. Many have been deleted and will continue to be deleted. As for "unlikely to grow", well, that is the rationale per WP:SMALLCAT. The Vietnamese American population in the US isn't large and does not have a long history, so therefore it isn't likely to grow enough to justify the category.--User:Namiba 10:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Namiba: What Scolaire and I meant is that Category:American mayors of Asian descent is a container category, not the nominated category. Many thanks for undertaking the long due clean-up of these trivial categories. Would you be in favour of merging to American politicians (or people) of Vietnamese descent only? There seems to be traction for that. Place Clichy (talk) 13:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I would be in favor of it.--User:Namiba 13:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've withdrawn the Asian descent category per discussion.--User:Namiba 19:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Schoolteachers from South Carolina

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The "Schoolteachers" categories have since been more properly diffused and populated by the creator of the categories. bibliomaniac15 21:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American schoolteachers. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 13:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a big job indeed, but then please do not create new categories unless you have sufficient time to populate them decently. This category is 2 months old and nothing happened meanwhile. If these categories are kept, will you then prioritize populating them? Marcocapelle (talk) 03:09, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note Per WP:NONDEF, "...not every verifiable fact (or the intersection of two or more such facts) in an article requires an associated category." This category is a great example of this policy being ignored. Many of the articles in Category:American schoolteachers are miscategorized. A major percentage simply worked as a schoolteacher at one time and are notable for other reasons. I just examined the first 20 entries in the C column and removed 7 of those with this category; their status as a schoolteacher was not-defining. Category wide, I suspect that the number of those who are defined by being a schoolteacher is likely a similar percentage. Whatever is decided, we should be careful not to replicate this mass overcategorization moving forward.--User:Namiba 11:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are about 30 subcategories for each state in Category:American people by state by occupation - and many of them with subcategories. It is of course true that many biographies are labelled with non-defining characteristics, but removing them often arouses opposition. The question of what is or is not defining is quite subjective and difficult. I'm quite happy to go back and do some more work in this area. Rathfelder (talk) 16:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • True, but there is of course a difference between longstanding well-functioning categories and short-lived almost empty categories. That is why, if you are serious about creating a series of categories like this, you should also take responsibility for populating them. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Diffuse American school teachers by state, to populate. A category with over 1000 articles is unmanageably large to use. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • As the nominations below have been withdrawn I have started work on populating the state categories. And as User:Namiba found, quite a few barely mention school teaching, so I have purged them unless the teaching was in some way connected with what made them notable. Of course the same phenomenon appears in most occupational categories. Rathfelder (talk) 12:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Schoolteachers from Washington (state)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 21:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American schoolteachers. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 13:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Miami-Dade County Public Schools Superintendents

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The result of the discussion was: merge as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic London 05:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American school superintendents. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 13:03, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Schoolteachers from Ohio

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 21:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American schoolteachers. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 13:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Schoolteachers from Nebraska

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 21:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American schoolteachers. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 13:02, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Schoolteachers from Iowa

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 21:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American schoolteachers. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 13:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Schoolteachers from Georgia (U.S. state)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 21:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American schoolteachers. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 13:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Miami-Dade County Public Schools teachers

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 9#Category:Miami-Dade County Public Schools teachers

Category:Arkansas schoolteachers

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The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 21:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to Category:American schoolteachers. Small category that is unlikely to grow. User:Namiba 12:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Categorized redirects

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 8#Category:Categorized redirects

Category:Carrom people

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The result of the discussion was: speedy keep after withdrawal (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary intermediate category. Only content is Category:Carrom players Rathfelder (talk) 09:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kitschies Red Tentacle-winning works

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD) and, for the parent category, WP:C2F
The "Red Tentacle" is an award for the top novel of the Kitschies, a British fantasy/sci fi award. Of the 3 articles in this category, 2 mention it in passing with other awards and 1 mentions it in the intro so it doesn't seem defining. (In contrast, BSFA Award seems to be much more prominent for such novels.) The contents are already listified here in the main article. The parent category only contains the main article and this subcategory. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:42, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Oregon Book Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
It looks like about 15 Oregon Book Awards are given out every year in different categories to specific books. This category contains the authors of those books who typically live or are from the State of Oregon. Those articles mention this award in passing in a list with other awards, if it's mentioned at all, so it doesn't seem defining. All of the winners, many of whom don't have a Wikipedia article, are already listified here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*RFC There is an open request for comments on proposed changes to WP:OCAWARD. Your input (pro/con/other) is always welcome here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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