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Category:Film country list navigational boxes

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The result of the discussion was: split. MER-C 17:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are 69 templates in this category. Only two are navigational boxes: Template:Film lists by country and Template:Indian film list. The other 67 templates are sidebar templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:County highways in DeKalb County, Illinois

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 10:19, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Since the parent category was renamed as appropriate, these categories (which I mentioned should also be renamed, but were not done) should be renamed. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 21:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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State supreme court justice categories

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 10:20, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming:

Nominator's rationale: Per the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 17#Category:New Jersey Supreme Court justices, I propose renaming all of these to "Justice of the..." construction, which I would assert is the more natural uniform construction to avoid awkward names like the current Category:Supreme Court of Appeals of West Virginia justices and Category:Supreme Court of Georgia (U.S. state) justices. I note that this formulation has already long been in use for all chief justice categories in Category:State supreme court chief justices in the United States by state (e.g. Category:Chief Justices of the Supreme Court of Alabama). BD2412 T 20:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Good Olfactory, Marcocapelle, and Place Clichy: BD2412 T 20:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Astronomy image articles

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 24#Category:Astronomy image articles

Category:Arabic writing system

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete which is effectively the same here (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I think this is a duplicate of Category:Arabic script. Mike Peel (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Maya (dis)establishments in Guatemala

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:22, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, it is not meaningful to have two parallel trees, by modern country and by ancient civilization. Note that the articles are in Category:Maya sites in Guatemala anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aviation accidents and incidents with a sole survivor

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining characteristic of a aviation accident. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Years in the Kingdom of Jerusalem

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The result of the discussion was: Delete/merge Timrollpickering (talk) 16:07, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per WP:SMALLCAT, the Kingdom of Jerusalem has too little content to have it diffused by year; by decade is fine though. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:53, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral - this is not as obvious as it looks. The question is not whether those categories are too specific to be by year, but whether they would or would not be populated sufficiently. The Kingdom of Jerusalem is well documented, so I'm tending to think that we may well have enough events to classify by year, but i'm not sure. However, one also has to take into account that the Kingdom of Jerusalem is only one of the Crusader Kingdoms in the Levant, while others - county of Tripoli, Principality of Antioch and County of Edessa do not yet have a category tree of their own. Perhaps we should consider a parent category tree "n-year in the Crusader states" for all those and then this could well have an annual resolution.GreyShark (dibra) 20:23, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople from chernihiv

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Proper name - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egghead06 (talk • contribs)
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Category:Male Sahabah

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Companions of the Prophet per the above renaming Timrollpickering (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, we do not have a men's subcategory whenever there is a women's subcategory, and this is not a case where being a man is defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sahabah favored by Shias

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, based on the articles that I read it does not seem to be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • With some exceptions (of course Ali is such an exception), hardly any of the articles highlights that these people are favored by Shias, so I am not sure on what basis you conclude that this is a pretty clear defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hasan ibn Ali

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 5#Category:Hasan ibn Ali

Category:African American Benevolent Associations

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:African-American organizations. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT and we do not have an established category tree for 'benevolent associations'. The three articles in the category are about African American abolitionist organizations which already are in Category:American abolitionist organizations. If the category would be kept, then rename to Category:African American benevolent associations to remove the capitals. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doubtful -- At least two of the articles seem to be about mutual support organisations for freed black people, not primarily civil rights organisations. That is the nature of a benevolent society. No doubt the members would be abolitionist in their policy, but was that their prime objective? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Places of Pokhara

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The result of the discussion was: split merge into Category:Neighbourhoods in Pokhara, Category:Pokhara and Category:Road junctions in Nepal. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not certain whether this should be deleted, or improved - another category created by enthusiastic new editor, with no parent category such as Category:Pokhara. PamD 07:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ward of Pokhara

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wards of Pokhara. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: 1: Title should be "Wards ...", but 2: None of the articles in the category appear to be wards - all are described as being "located in" various wards. Category has been created, with no parent categories, by enthusiastic but very new editor who does not appear to understand how categories work. PamD 07:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note for closer - the editor seems to have used the uncreated Category:Ward in Pokhara ("in" not "on") for 8 articles that appear to be about actual formal wards. I don't know anything about Pokhara and so don't have strong views in general about this, but chowks seem to be loosely-defined "neighbourhoods", whereas wards are the formal subdivisions. The article lists 33 wards in a city of ~400k, so an article for each ward seems just about justifiable, but I'd tend to nuke any of the neighbourhoods/chowks that don't correspond to a formal ward.Le Deluge (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note I have just created Category:Ward in Pokhara as a {{category redirect}} to Category:Ward of Pokhara. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:21, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral (for now). This is a bit of a mess. The editor(s) who created these categories don't seem to understand the category system. The contributors at CFD are asking the pertinent questions, but none of the contributors so far (including me) seem to know much about Nepal (let alone Pokhara); we are gleaning what we can, but it's fragmentary. It's even very clear whether or not some of the substub articles in these categories are actually wards, and I am also unsure about the reliability of the unsourced list of wards at Pokhara#Location: to what extent are the names synonymous with the numbers?
Everyone involved is clearly acting in good faith, but I am wary of any decision in any direction being made on the basis of such hazy knowledge. I see that the nominator has already commented at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal about some categorisation ...and I think that this discussion would benefit from a relisting and a call for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:39, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:WikiProject Essays articles

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:WikiProject Wikipedia essays pages.
Nominator's rationale: These are project pages, not encyclopaedia articles. Adam9007 (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Rankin/Bass Productions television series

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 17:33, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rankin/Bass Productions, Inc. was later renamed "Rankin/Bass Animated Entertainment". EuantheEditor (talk) 21:21, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pagans of the Crusades

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, this is unrelated to the better known crusades in the Middle East where the term "pagans" is never used. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aesop's Fables shorts

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 16:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Article Aesop's Fables (film series) should be main article. ★Trekker (talk) 08:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Negro

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
The explicit purpose of this category is to group articles with the word Negro in them according to the header: "Articles relating to the term Negro, a term historically used to denote persons considered to be of Negroid heritage." I can't imagine any reader wanting a direct navigational path between Negro league baseball, Negro Head Road (North Carolina) and N.W.A. There's no need for a merger because those examples are already better categorized in Category:African-American sports history, Category:History of racism in North Carolina, and Category:African-American musical groups, respectively, as all are all the other articles here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but purge -- Negro is the Spanish word for black. It is appropriate as a parent to Negro league baseball, Free negro etc, along with currently disparaged words like nigger/nigga, which are likewise derived from the Latin niger (black). This is not merely a case of sharedname, but I think it should be limited to uses from the segregation era and purged of anything later - into equivalent African American categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this will never be anything but a collecting ground for articles better classified in the existing structures. Yes, "negro" is Spanish for the color black, but then Negros (island) and Rio Negro and such would merit inclusion as being named so by the Spanish - but what is being categorized here is how the term (and those also derived from Spanish or Latin) is used in relation to people and the contextualization of that usage. We don't do that with other terminology. E.g,. we have no Category:Caucasian (interesting how white people are supposedly originating there?), Category:Latino, Category:Latina (a dab category of Latin language etc, not ethnicity), Category:Latinx (also interesting that people from south of the border of the US are termed based on a region of Italy, but the people from that region aren't), etc. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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