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Nominator's rationale: Griqualand Women have never existed as a team; the team was called Griqualand West, and was renamed Northern Cape in 2015, so all players that have played for the team can just be categorised in the Northern Cape category. Mpk662 (talk) 15:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - if the "category is mainly in use as a set category", it is partly because you have cleared out topical entries. Category:Gardens in English Landscape Garden style should be set up as 2 sub-cats, one for those in the British Isles (or split to England, Wales etc) and one for foreign gardens allegedly in the style. There are numerous articles that can fill up the existing topical cat. Johnbod (talk) 14:29, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The only topic article in the category was and still is French landscape garden. All other topic articles are in the category being discussed below, and the articles were already there, I did not move them there. Splitting the category to gardens in England, fair suggestion, I have just done that, but that would not be a reason to oppose anyway. On the contrary by that suggestion you are agreeing that it is being used as a set category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
a) this is not a topic article, it is a biography hence part of a set of biographies; b) I said, "all other topic articles are in the category being discussed below, and the articles were already there, I did not move them there." and that is correct as it stands. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Huh?? Clearly an article on a "style" should contain, unless removed to sub-cats, things relevant to that style, whether works, people or forms etc. You are doing a clear mis-service to the reader by shunting them off to a general category, usually the wrong one, and removing the natural category readers would expect. Please stop this. Johnbod (talk) 15:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, you are now opposing your own proposal. You might be clearer about that (below also). Why is it a "new parent category"? It is the existing one. I agree with Peterkingiron. Johnbod (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think ultimately we want the same thing. Just our point of departure is different. I started with the current situation, noting that the category is now used as a set category, and thus should be renamed. You started with how you would like it to be irrespective of the current situation. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I started, & have stuck with, the simplest way to get things right. Let the reader decide how your nominations here & below match your latest thinking! Johnbod (talk) 04:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose The scope of this category was changed without discussion years ago by this edit to read: " This category is for the garden elements and features used in the 18th and 19th century English Landscape Garden and English Landscape Park, and the subsequent French landscape garden styles. / For the actual gardens see: Category:English Landscape Garden style." All the contents relate to the English landscape garden, and the category should be merged to that category. If there is a need for a Category:Landscape garden, let that be set up separately. Quite what it would contain I don't know- the term is pretty vague. Landscape garden just redirects to English landscape garden, which is pretty dubious in my view, but there is no need to repeat the categories under a different name. Landscape gardener redirects to Landscape architecture. We need to split off a "gardens" category here, for which see above. Johnbod (talk) 14:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I do not follow this. In the discussion above you seem to be ok with a topic category and two set subcategories and here you want to merge them? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I am fine with renaming to Category:English Landscape Garden style too. But the set category (being discussed above) that currently has this name should then clearly be renamed to something else. It is not helpful if you keep opposing in that discussion - if you do not agree with the proposed name just provide an alternative name. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As I said many times, the other should keep its existing name of Category:English Landscape Garden style, and this category should be merged into it (or its subs). If you think either Category:Landscape gardens or Category:Landscape garden are useful categories, please say clearly exactly what you think they should contain. What is "not helpful" is for you to propose renaming as something else the only category name in the group that worked. A distinct French landscape garden style is a pretty dubious concept, btw, certainly in English, and I think even in French. See how few gbooks hits it gets by no means all referring to the same thing. About the most reputable book in the first two pages says "The French landscape garden that emerged in the 18th century is variously known as the jardin anglais, jardin à l'anglaise, the jardin paysager, and the jardin pittoresque. These terms are not necessarily conterminous, ..." Not a suitable term for a category, imo. Johnbod (talk) 17:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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