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Category:Death of women

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The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Death of women and Category:Women deaths. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Death of women to Category:Deaths of women

Nominator's rationale: This seems to be about deaths of individual women, rather than the concept of death of women. BarleyButt (talk) 21:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also add Category:Death of children to this discussion - I'm sure there are others out there. BarleyButt (talk) 21:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That category has not been tagged yet. Besides there already is Category:Child deaths as a set category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative: split between a set category and a topic category, as has already been done for children. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I support this alternative if there are enough relevant articles on the topic of women dying in general. 193.37.240.169 (talk) 13:46, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Split - the subcat Category:Honor killing is a topic category. Oculi (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Builder of major World War II warships

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete. Rename to Category:Shipyards building World War II warships instead, as currrent title clearly has issues. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:08, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Builder of major World War II warships to Category:Shipyards of major World War II warships

Nominator's rationale: I don't think "Builder" is used in that sense and at the very least, it should be "Builders" plural. "Shipyards" is more precise. I'm also not thrilled with the fairly vague "major" but I'm not quite sure what to do about it. Pichpich (talk) 17:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

the word is shipBUILDING.

"shipyards of major ww2 warships" would be a grammatical abomination, but essentially convey the same meaning. if you want to make it more ugly i won't object to that.

the distinction between major and minor is a bit arbitrary. if the distinction is removed, there would have to be 3 times as many entries and the members of the category would start be less uniform.

all ship types mentioned now are faster than 30 knots, i can't speak about other nations, but the fire control computer on a US destroyer for example was much more sophisticated than that used on destroyer escorts.

i think the line is drawn correctly, but i suppose that different parties may draw it somewhat differently.

if major is removed, the next problem would be to decide if a cargo ship armed with a 5-inch gun is a warship. the problem does not go away and if every armed ship is included, then this becomes a category for all shipyards that existed at the time. Nowakki (talk) 13:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not a defining characteristic. The category contains shipyards that just happened to exist during WWII, but usually with a long history before and after that. If kept, certainly remove "major" from the category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... You might have a point about deletion. Pichpich (talk) 19:21, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Category:Shipyards building World War II warships. Any major/minor distinction is avoided. Not all shipyards will have built warships. There was a big need to replace merchant ships being sunk by the axis powers. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 18:45, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 16:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jews of the Jewish tribes of Arabia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Jews of the Jewish tribes of Arabia to Category:7th-century Arabian Jews

Nominator's rationale: rename, less complicated category title and all articles are about 7th-century people. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose because this is a logical sub-category of Category:Jewish tribes of Arabia. IZAK (talk) 00:20, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is more logically a subcategory of Category:Arabian Jews, both are biographies categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Support: per nom. Current title is convoluted and mildly tautologous. Also agree that it is more logically a subcategory of Category:Arabian Jews. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Video games developed in Cameroon

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:58, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Video games developed in Cameroon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Since its creation seven years ago, this category has just a single article listed. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 22:03, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, this seems a case of the smallcat exception rule. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Marcocapelle:, what is that rule? I'm not familiar. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 20:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Soetermans: see WP:SMALLCAT, the exception rule is the second part of the sentence starting with "unless". Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see, because of Category:Video games by country of developer. Thanks for clarifying. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 10:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep because there is no obvious merge target. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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I withdraw my nomination, as @Marcocapelle: pointed out, it's part of a larger category. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 10:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Books by Maddox (writer)

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:58, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Books by Maddox (writer) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category was created in 2010 and has ever since only been populated by a single article. It is furthermore unlikely that the category will be populated, as the author has yet to produce another noteworthy title. BOTTO_(T•C) 15:21, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - the author is the single most obvious defining characteristic of a book. Also per the 'unless' clause of WP:SMALLCAT. Oculi (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support but merge to Category:American non-fiction books. There are more than 1000 individual articles in that category so the smallcat exception rule does not apply. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Election deniers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 16:58, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Election deniers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:2020 United States presidential election deniers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per same rationale as the now deleted American election deniers. Largely non-defining (fails WP:COPDEF and WP:OPINIONCAT), and potentially subjective and arbitrary. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:47, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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