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Category:Novels about the military

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Military novels. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per other similar categories like Category:Military fiction and Category:Military memoirs. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:37, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cybernetted society in fiction

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The title of the category does not appear anywhere else. I think the idea of smart cities can describe the subject fairly well. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:31, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Cyclo-cross by year

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT (1 article each). Not enough content per year at this stage of the tree. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:59, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Women's road cycling by year

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:41, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per same reasons as below noms, but just merge 20th-century years since there's enough content in the 21st-century years.
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Women's mountain biking by year

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:41, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not enough content on a yearly basis to warrant these trees. Merge up as indicated. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Lists of international footballers with 1 article

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:42, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, 1 entry. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Men's international footballer categories

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 3#Men's international footballer categories

Category:Doping cases in Australian cricket

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Doping cases in cricket. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only 2 notable Australians meet this criteria. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bangladesh under-23 cricketers

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category:Bangladesh under-23 cricketers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) is WP:NOTDEFINING, as Bangladesh under-23 have played 5 matches in their history according to Bangladesh national under-23 cricket team (and 2 of them weren't ranked as proper matches anyway). Under-23s cricket teams are not a common feature of cricket (unlike e.g. men's football, where the Olympics has under-23s teams), and so this category is unnecessary. If this category is deleted, then its parent and grandparent categories will be empty, so can be deleted too. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Women's track cycling by year

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge sparse cats in late 20th century per WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Track cycling by year

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 20:10, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
More nominations
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Not enough content per year to warrant these categories. Manually handle Track cycling at the YYYY Summer Olympics since they are already parented by Cycling at the YYYY Summer Olympics. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British people by ethnicity and occupation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS: triple intersection of occupation and nationality and descent is not defining.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nigerian people by occupation and ethnic or national origin

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The result of the discussion was: Merge/delete Timrollpickering (talk) 20:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS: triple intersection of occupation and nationality and descent is not defining.
  • Note: among trivial intersections, there remain significant ethnic populations that are not nominated.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American college rifle templates

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. No need to merge Category:American college rifle templates to other parent as template is already in Category:American college sports infobox templates. No need to merge lacrosse cat since it is already in both parent trees. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:10, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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People of Mongol descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:COPSEP guideline. The content of these categories is about ethnic groups, not individual people. Place Clichy (talk) 11:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:German female erotic dancers

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The result of the discussion was: No Consensus to merge/delete. - jc37 02:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The members of this category may have given performances that might today be called "erotic" but that is not a defining characteristic of any of them. I propose moving them up a level to Category:German female dancers to better encompass the range of what they did. Northernhenge (talk) 10:59, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has so far centred on Erotic dance and Category:Erotic dancers but, to be clear, the intended proposal was to take the current members of Category:German female erotic dancers out of that tree and put them into Category:German female dancers. Any discussion around Category:Erotic dancers would need to take place seperately. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Could someone please improve the main article Erotic dance first, before we start categorising people of this occupation by nationality to gender? And then having to judge whether they were properly categorised? It would help a lot with determining what makes it "defining" to do this for a living, and what the difference is between, say, an "erotic dancer" and a "stripper", and whether they are all "sex workers" or just some of them. The main article has ZERO references and just 1 book as a source. We can't make things up as we go along, we need to base our information and categories on something. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:55, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is a huge tree based under Category:Erotic dancers and the articles in the top category are Stripper and List of strippers. Should we rename all these categories to "strippers"? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Years of the 16th century in Austria

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, the tree consists only of 1 or 2-article categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Criminals

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 28#Category:Criminals

Category:Fictional women assassins

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The result of the discussion was: RESTORE STATUS QUO ANTE These and several other categories were moved out of process and must be reverted to their original location before any discussion can proceed. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Moved without discussion. In the case of fictional characters, this is incorrect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Indeed, this may be incorrect for non-humanoid entries (if present), but we do prefer "women" to "female" all through our categories. So why not recategorize the non-humanoid entries? Materialscientist (talk) 03:20, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Having a female appearance or female-appearing attributes, does not make a character a human woman. And there is no purpose served to duplicate all of the categories to include ones for characters that we presume are human. Or in other words, this would be a lot of WP:OR. - jc37 04:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly - even in the "Female assassins" category, there is Cameron (Terminator), a female android, and Gamora (Marvel Cinematic Universe), a female alien. They aren't humans and it would be misleading to categorize everyone under human terms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:11, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do not quite see the problem. With humanoid fictional characters we can only assess if they look and sound similarly to earthly women. So either women is good enough, or we should entirely stop categorizing non-humanoids by gender. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And in many, if not most, cases, that would be WP:OR
    That said, I fully support not categorising fictional characters by gender. It's just not a determination that we should be making, and definitely not through the category system. Merge them all to non-gendered categories. - jc37 06:48, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Let's put this another way. If we are basing this upon "appearing to be female" then what about transgender characters? A particular character may appear to be male, or may appear to be female. How should they be categorised? And further, how do we know concerning a character in a text-only medium, like a book? Based upon a textual description? Based upon pronouns? Again, we're back to WP:OR. - jc37 06:54, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I actually oppose categorizing by gender for precisely this reason and others, at least for fictional characters but consensus was to retain the gender-based split. If you think it should be merged into a single, genderless category, I will gladly !vote on whatever CfD you do. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being an avid recent changes patroller, I often observe WP:OR or edit warring on identifying gender of fictional or animated characters. Oftentimes, I feel that the creators did not actually want to define any gender. Hence I would only support genderless categorization in this case. Materialscientist (talk) 07:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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19th-century fires in Europe / in the UK

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:21, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, all above categories have up to 4 articles, many only 1. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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