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Category:Water polo at the Summer Universiade templates

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete/merge Timrollpickering (talk) 13:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: One template. Merge and delete. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video on demand series

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category for a very long time. Category:Video on demand services is sufficient for such articles. --SM7--talk-- 20:23, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with deletion, oppose with merging to the services category as this isn't a service. Place the single article in Category:American web series or one of its sub-categories. Gonnym (talk) 12:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Catalan basketball teams

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please Reply to icon mention me on reply) 03:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per convention re subnational grouping names (I believe countries are also now being renamed as such) Crowsus (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Basque basketball teams

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The result of the discussion was: renamed. Courcelles (talk) 13:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per convention re subnational grouping names (I believe countries are also now being renamed as such) Crowsus (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian police officers

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:59, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (2). If retained, rename to "Police officers from French Polynesia" and "Farmers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - also oppose any merger into a French category. French Polynesia may be a colony of France, but is at the same time an autonomous region, and a separate place. Its category structure should reflect that. If the category is small, simply merge it back into French Polynesian people. IdiotSavant (talk) 00:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @IdiotSavant: I was not entirely sure about the French merge target (hence "I guess...") but aren't French Polynesian people formally also French people? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:22, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes (as part of its colonial project, France has historically denied the identity of those they colonise). But its also legally autonomous, an Overseas country of France, and the French Polynesians certainly seem to have a sense of themselves as a separate place and to want more autonomy (every domestic French Polynesian political party is at least pro-autonomy, and the election was just won by those pushing for full independence). As for how this translates into a category structure, I think its fine to include French Polynesian categories under French ones (in the same way as would be done for say a normal French province), but not to merge them into it. IdiotSavant (talk) 10:14, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've added each article to to Category:French police officers and Category:French farmers respectively. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Query @Inter&anthro: how is it's status as "an autonomous region with it's own legal system and law enforcement" relevant to the nomination? Even if it was a sovereign state, that would not prevent the deletion of the category if it did not have sufficient articles to warrant categorisation. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian musicians

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:59, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (2). If retained, rename to "Musicians from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian medical doctors

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:00, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Medical doctors from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*:Support merge IdiotSavant (talk) 00:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:French Polynesian lawyers

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 18#Category:French Polynesian lawyers

Category:French Polynesian criminals

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French criminals. Both entries are already in Category:Mayors of places in French Polynesia. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Criminals from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:French Polynesian people. Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial. IdiotSavant (talk) 00:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian historians

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French historians. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:56, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Historians from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:French Polynesian people. Do not merge to a French category, as this is inappropriately colonial. IdiotSavant (talk) 00:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian folklorists

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French folklorists. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:56, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Folklorists from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:56, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian ethnologists

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French ethnologists. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat (1). If retained, rename to "Ethnologists from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian engineers

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:French engineers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. If retained, rename to "Engineers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian dancers

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 22:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:Smallcat (2). If retained, rename to "Dancers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:47, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How many do I need not to meet WP:SMALLCAT? I'm adding another easy translation tonight, of fr:Madeleine Moua, which will give 8 articles, and I have a target list for other possible additions.--IdiotSavant (talk) 06:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:French Polynesian choreographers

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. If retained, rename to "Choreographers from French Polynesia". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paracanoeists of Tahiti

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat. Already in cat Paracanoeists. If retained, rename to "Paracanoeists from Tahiti". Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:35, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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French Polynesi descent

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 15#French Polynesi descent

People from French Polynesia

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:01, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The demonyn "French Polynesian" is ugly. It's best for multi-ethnic empires and countries with compound names to avoid demonyms. Down with the tyranny of demonyms! Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply That argument cannot be maintained. French Canadian refers to an ethnic group; French Polynesia is not an ethnic group. Instead, French Polynesia refers to a rather random collection of islands that were colonised by France. Some neighbouring islands were colonised by other Great Powers and so are not in French Polynesia, despite their geographic proximity. The ethnic links among islands and groups of islands are stronger than French boundaries and transcend colonial demarcation. It is a form of imperialism to perpetuate the notion that such outmoded 19th-century labels have any legitimacy.Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:31, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So are most countries in Africa that were French colonies, but there's no objection to Category:Malian people despites its high cultural diversity. French Polynesia is a single territory, so any objections based on political correctness is WP:RGW. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    This site says the demonym for 'French Polynesia' is 'French Polynesian', a nationality. So, as I said, "French Polynesian" is perfectly fine. No-one is claiming it is an ethnicity. The nom is claiming it is ugly, which is entirely subjective. (The nominator is perhaps under the impression that French Polynesia is a former country.) Oculi (talk) 00:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Google Trends also has some interesting results here. Even just one island - Tahiti - gets many more hits than "French Polynesian" as a whole. Do people really say, "I am a proud French Polynesian man."? Or are they more likely to say "I am a proud Tahitian man."? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There seems to be a small error in the nomination, it should be "Category:Women from French Polynesia by occupation", not "Category:French Women from French Polynesia by occupation". S.A. Julio (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Corrected. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comment - we have naming conventions, enshrined by previous consensus in Wikipedia:Category names#Current nationalities, which quite clearly yields 'French Polynesian'. Oculi (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even further comment None of those mention multi-ethlic empires such as the Ottoman Empire, Roman Empire, Holy Roman Empire. Why? Because it is difficult / futile to construct demonyms for them. The same is true for countries with compound names such as Democratic Republic of Congo and many former, mainly colonial era, countries. Applying a fake or forced demonym is just post hoc justification of colonization; we should have nothing to do with it, especially when a solution that avoids such an outcome is so readily to hand. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the category is not intended to be an ethnic group, but just to cover people from that part of the world. Because that part of the world was and still is colonised, its has an ugly colonial name (rather like "New Zealand" TBH). That's an unpleasant reality, but wikipedia should honestly reflect it. We can rename the categories when they change their name (and there are proposals for that).--IdiotSavant (talk) 14:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Tsunamis by year

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 20:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Not enough per year in 18th/19th centuries. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ilulissat templates

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category created in 2011 consists of a single navbox: Template:Ilulissat. Propose merge per WP:SMALLCAT. —⁠andrybak (talk) 07:44, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Henri Dupuy de Lôme

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Courcelles (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The only member of the category is a submarine based partially on this engineer's work. This is not enough for an eponymous category. Pichpich (talk) 02:12, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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