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Category:Celtic diaspora

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Category:Celtic American and its precedents. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Korean clans by clan village

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Precision ("clan village" is repetitive) and concision (many Korean clans are not from villages, but from cities. "Settlement" includes both) toobigtokale (talk) 21:15, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Honorary citizens

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete Feel free to request salting (or possibly a title blacklist entry) at the appropriate venues for that - there isn't a clear enough consensus to do so here. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:G4: recently (March 2022; augmented on 5 April 2023, and 29 June 2023) recreated category tree which has been consistently deleted again and again per WP:OCAWARD & WP:NONDEFINING since 2007. But somehow people keep recreating them. WP:SALT?
Need I say more? I think not, except again: WP:SALT? Saves future Wikipedians time. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:48, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason why I'm not yet nominating the subtree Category:Lists of honorary citizens is that they have a lot of main articles. I believe we need a spree of AfDs for them first. Given that there are lots of precedents for deleting those as well, I think it's just a matter of time. To name a few:
I might go and nominate them myself if nobody else does. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here we go, let's start with these:
Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Civil wars of the Industrial era

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The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 06:50, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: split to a periodization that is much more common in categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:WikiIndaba

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, only one page in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not against it. Bobbyshabangu talk 00:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Colony of Santo Domingo

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 9#Colony of Santo Domingo

Category:People from Cordoipo

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Spelling mistake (typo) in the name of the category Robby (talk) 11:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Football at the 2019 Pan American Games – Women's tournament

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only a single article in the category. Upmerge. Gonnym (talk) 09:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Football at the 2019 Pan American Games – Men's tournament

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 00:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only a single article in the category. Upmerge. Gonnym (talk) 09:14, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Clergy with disabilities

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 07:02, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Overcategorization: non-notable intersection of characteristics. StAnselm (talk) 15:34, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can just speak for Christianity that this is a very unusual discussion topic. Happy to hear if it is a real issue in other religions. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What about Category:Clerical celibacy ? Is that a disability? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:59, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Not really. Celibacy is not about what one is not able to do, but about what one is not allowed to do. It certainly could lead to a lot of... dysfunction, even trauma, which is often not to be entirely blamed on the individual, but also their community and ecclesiastical organisation and ideology. But by itself, no, it is not a "disability". Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:34, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle Well, I would have to dig into the literature if you would like reliable sources, but from countless current and formerly religious people, including Christians, Muslims, Jews and Hindus I have spoken, I know their disabilities were often a religious issue. And I noticed that in religious contexts, there is a lot of overlap between having a disability and being LGBT+. Technically not a "disability", but the same kind of arguments are often made by both opponents ("curse/punishment from God") and supporters ("God loves everyone").
    In the church of my childhood and early teens, there was a long-running issue when parents with a deaf daughter wanted to attend the service and asked for a sign language interpreter just for their daughter. Several people were opposed to it, some even saying God chose to "curse" their daughter as some sort of "punishment", which caused a lot of hurt. Fortunately, eventually an interpreter was indeed introduced. (Even worse were discussions when a lesbian couple wanted to marry in that church; you can probably guess how well that went down.) One woman I know quite well was born with several disabilities, including difficulty walking, which means she has been spending most of her life in a wheelchair. Her Muslim father abandoned her soon after she was born because he believed God had "cursed" her.
    I could tell you many more examples, but I must be careful with people's privacy, and anecdotes aren't strong evidence anyway. Safe to say that debates about disabilities, and how this should be theologically understood, occur in all religious denominations, although certainly not to the same intensity, of course. Fundamentalists tend to regard it more as an issue that religion has something to say about (usually negatively, the "curse/punishment from God" narrative) than more secularly, individually or liberally-minded religious people (usually a "that's your private life" narrative or "that's between you and your Creator" narrative), but likewise, religious people who are strongly motived by social justice often believe religion has something to say about it (usually positively, the "God loves everyone" narrative). Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • That is sad to hear. Admittedly I should have said "in Christian theology" as I cannot speak for the entire diversity of Christian communities. Btw there is a gospel section in which Jesus overturns the idea that disability is a form of God's punishment. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      @Marcocapelle Indeed, it is quite sad.... If you're really interested in discussing this further (real-life stories plus direct interpretation of Scripture, both of which I find very interesting), I suppose we should start emailing each other privately, because it is too WP:OFFTOPIC for this CfD, and I want to protect people's privacy. Otherwise, I think we need to delve into WP:SECONDARY sources about the subject to make a balanced assessment of whether nom is correct that "clergy with disabilities" is a non-notable intersection of characteristics. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 06:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:32, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Australian Football League coaches

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. Unopposed after a week. Undeletion can be requested at WP:REFUND, here's a list of the pages the category was removed from. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 07:11, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The Victorian Football League (VFL) was renamed the Australian Football League (AFL) in 1990. The categories are describing essentially the same list of people. When referring to historical lists of players, coaches, etc, we typically use "VFL/AFL"—eg Category:VFL/AFL players. Many of those in the categories never coached in the Australian Football League when it was named as such. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 00:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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