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Category:Privately educated journalists

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:20, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining and vague Mason (talk) 23:49, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sámi peoples

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Sámi peoples

Category:People in Sámi history

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:People in Sámi history

Category:Skolt families

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory with a Finnish Sámi family. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Category:Finnish Sámi people is not the only category above this category since the Skolts live in 3 different countries. Also there's two subcategories now. - Yupik (talk) 22:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The other category is about a Finnish Sámi family too, so there is nothing wrong with the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You are trying to flatten a category that does not solely belong to the category you are trying to flatten it into. It would be as incorrect as trying to flatten Category:Skolts into Category:Finnish people. - Yupik (talk) 09:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And as I said on the deletion discussion for one of the families in this category, there will be more coming towards the end of the year. It's final exam time right now, so I don't have time to start writing the rest of the articles that are on my to do list or to translate the ones that exist on other language versions. -Yupik (talk) 09:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The only issue is that after merger the subcats are correctly categorized. Category:Finnish Sámi people is a correct parent category of both. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Once again, it isn't. There is no 1-to-1 correspondence for Skolt families and Finnish Sámi people. Not really sure how to get you to understand this. - Yupik (talk) 17:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Here, let me try once again:
      • Finnish Sámi people could be Skolts, Northern Sámi, or Inari Sámi. Historically, they could also be from other Sámi groups that no longer exist.
      • Skolts could be from Norway, Russia, or Finland.
      Merging Skolt families into Finnish Sámi people is just incorrect. Putting Finnish Sámi people as a category on the individual articles, however, would be correct. - Yupik (talk) 17:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sámi people by religion

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not merge it; delete it if it need to be gotten rid of. - Yupik (talk) 09:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jewish sportspeople

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per discussion here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lappeenranta University of Technology alumni

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This should be moved for consistency with the corresponding article which is titled LUT University. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Assassinated explorers

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Murdered explorers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. I don't think that the intersection between being an explorer and being assassinated in defining. Mason (talk) 14:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:East German men by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:33, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now as this category only contains one child category, which is unhelpful for navigation Mason (talk) 13:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Photographic collections and books

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Photographic collections and books

Category:Only Murders in the Building

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: With only the main article and a load of redirects, do we really need this? --woodensuperman 13:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Photo archives

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 20#Category:Photo archives

Category:Films about fratricide and sororicide

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename as per previous closure. The issue appears to have been resolved. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Conciseness; we have Category:Siblicide in fiction (which is scheduled for speedy renaming). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: this was originally closed as rename to Category:Films about siblicide, but was brought to DRV. I have reopened the discussion on the grounds that new information has come to light.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 12:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: The concern raised at DRV by User:Naraht was "Large majority of pages in category are about deaths of fraternity brothers and sorority sisters. If changed to siblicide these would need to be removed." (Noting for context and convenience.) --Paul_012 (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: My apologies for bringing this up at DRV, I didn't realize there was a more appropriate area. The primary issue here is that fratricide (and to some extent sororicide) are used more generally, in the context of both killing a person who is like a brother such as a fellow soldier in a military unit as well as apparently most of the entries in this category, which not only includes films with the situation where one fraternity brother kills another, but also where (for example) a maniac (non-fraternity member)kills all significant members of a fraternity that had assaulted his sister. Siblicide while on the surface is simply a rollup of the two, in practice would not include fraternities and sororities. I'm looking for solutions rather than being completely opposed to the merge (or even upmerge).Naraht (talk) 16:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • MarcocapelleThe House on Sorority Row is a typical example. All of the people killed are connected in belonging to a sorority, but the killer is not a member of the sorority. So it doesn't belong in Siblicide at all. Whether it belongs in a group about fratricide and sororicide is another question. But Category renames shouldn't remove large numbers of articles from the category, in general.Naraht (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:History of holography

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Currently only contains one subcat about fiction. – Fayenatic London 12:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:1st-century Irish people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:10th-century Scottish people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:41, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:25, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:11th-century Scottish people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:13th-century Danish people by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 05:20, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation and nationality

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, it is more natural to find the subcategories directly under the target. Sibling Category:LGBT people by gender identity and nationality has been nominated for merge elsewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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