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Category:Education in Del City, Oklahoma

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:02, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Education cat of a very small city, upmerge to county-level and city cat. Merge manually as some may already been under sub-cats. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople from Newburyport, Massachusetts

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:03, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More appropriate to merge to Sportspeople from Essex County, Massachusetts and People from Newburyport, Massachusetts. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:59, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:SMALLCAT does not seem applicable here. So what is the rationale for the merge? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep partly as creator. But mostly a keep because this is part of a much larger people from foo by occupation scheme throughout the US and I believe many other countries. Including two other such sub categories for the people from city cat here. The above arguments and similar ones have been have been rejected time and again. If I recall we had a big discussion on this like a decade ago and it was decided then that basically the last part of WP:OCLOCATION allows for this to breakdown larger categories. In essence, don't do it for three actors (since that violates SMALLCAT), but once you get to say 10 (as I have never seen a category deleted per SMALLCAT with ten entries or more), then do it, inline with WP:DIFFUSE. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:10, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge after depopulating — most don't even mention they were sportspeople in this town, instead seem to be automatically based upon birthplace. That was explicitly forbidden in WP:OCLOCATION, specifically for sport. Categorize by place they were active. A pro-baseball player who grew up elsewhere and didn't even attend high school or college here isn't "from" Newburyport. An olympic racewalker who raced elsewhere as an adult isn't "from" Newburyport.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 07:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • In principle I agree that categorizing people by city or town is not very helpful for navigation between related articles. I cannot imagine wp users reading articles about people from place X just because they are from place X. But this requires a much broader discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:46, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Depopulated. Only one was actually raised and performed here. The rest all left the county or state as children. WP:NONDEFINING WP:OCLOCATION WP:OCTRIVIA. Broad discussion was already completed years ago, see WP:COP-PLACE: The place of birth, although it may be significant from the perspective of local studies, is rarely defining from the perspective of an individual. The residence of parents and relatives is never defining and rarely notable. The place of death is not normally categorized....
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:20, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Murder victims by country

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: C2C: all the subcategories are "People murdered in <foo>", match {Commons category|People murdered by country}.
Moved from Speedy.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:20, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. In fact, the subcats are all "People murdered in", which obviously doesn't apply to this container cat, which is why it has a different name. "Murdered people by country" would be better English, but, frankly, best of all is the current title, as "murder victims" is the WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doubt "murder victims" is the WP:COMMONNAME, especially as that is contrary to the "Commons category" across all wikipedias.
  1. Opposed to renaming all the subcategories to "murder victims".
  2. Agree that "murdered people" sounds like marginally better grammar, but this is a people category.
  3. Fairly recently moved "Murdered sex workers" to "Sex workers murdered", so consensus is running the other way.
  4. Is anybody proposing renaming all these subcategories "murdered people"?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 15:35, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I meant that "murder victims" is by far the commonest name in the actual real world. The reason it's not used in the subcats is that just because someone is murdered in a country doesn't mean they came from that country (e.g. "British murder victims" and "People murdered in the United Kingdom" are not the same thing). However, see Category:Murder victims by nationality. "People murdered by country" is just not good English. As to Category:Sex workers murdered in the United States, that's clearly better than Category:Murdered sex workers in the United States. These are just not the same situations. And the parent cat is Category:Murdered sex workers in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:52, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to google ngrams, "murdered people" and "people murdered" were most common as far back as it goes. Heck, "murder victims" doesn't even show up until after 1960, and the knee of the graph is roughly 1984 (Reagan era), and it is declining. So "murder victims" is ultraconservative or reactionary verbiage. That's contrary to WP:NPOV.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:48, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: the above discussion indicates the "by country" suffix is grammatically problematic as a sentence. But that's what we've been using for nearly 20 years. I'd prefer we pick something consistent, rather than some "<bar> murdered" alternating with "murdered <baz>". Yes, I know, "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:05, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Oppose – Murder victims by country fits with Category:Murder victims and Category:Crime victims by country. People murdered by country sounds like the people have been murdered by a country. I don't see the point in changing Murder victims to Murdered people. By definition, a murder victim is a person. Category:Murdered <bar> in <foo> is confusing because it sounds like the murdered people are currently in that country. I don't think Wikimedia Commons is the example to follow – there's much more participation on Wikipedia, and I would imagine it would be more likely that Commons would take Wikipedia's lead. MClay1 (talk) 06:56, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Superpowers

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 22#Category:Superpowers

Upmerge Decommissioned into Former nuclear power stations

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

jnestorius(talk) 19:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:State border guards in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: delete. @William Allen Simpson: don't worry, I read the discussions. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:11, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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G7 and G8 summits

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:G7 summits. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:14, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, G7 and G8 are largely overlapping (many articles are about both) and they are mainly known for their summits, with the consequence that a separate summits subcategory adds very little value. As a aside, this merge avoids the awkward full writing of Category:Group of Seven and Category:Group of Eight which are far lesser known terms than G7 and G8. Earlier, a speedy rename request was declined. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
@Ferien and Armbrust: pinging contributors to speedy discussion. 16:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Renaming/Neutral on Merger G7 and G8 are what these are known as. I favor following the main article in general and, even if I didn't, in this case "Group of Seven/Eight" is too obscure to aid navigation. (Whether or not these should be merged, I defer to other editors.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:41, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment G7 became G8 for a short period as a result of Russia participating. However effectively it was a single series of summits, renamed for the extra country. For alumni categories we do not create categories for renamed institutions; likewise sports teams, so that there is a logic in having category Category:G7 even for the period when it was G8. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Science fiction fans

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not defining. ★Trekker (talk) 12:53, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:G7 nations

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic, to a certain extent a matter of recentism (G7 only exists since 1973 while the member states exist far longer). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:European Cultural History

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:17, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, aligning with parent Category:History of Europe and with subcats Category:Cultural history of Austria etc. There was an alternative renaming proposal at WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
copy of speedy discussion
@HueMan1: pinging nominator at WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African sportspeople by ethnic or national origin

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Wikipedia:Category naming does not provide for by continent or by region encapsulating by country.
Summary: 5 layers of categories for 4 Spaniards.
Same progenitor as:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3#Category:American sportspeople of European descent
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 11#Category:American sportspeople of Asian descent
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:North American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  4. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:Latin American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  5. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 13#Category:South American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Middle Eastern sportspeople by ethnic or national origin

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Wikipedia:Category naming does not provide for by region encapsulating by country.
Summary: 3 layers of categories for 2 Chinese who moved to Turkey.
Same progenitor as:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3#Category:American sportspeople of European descent
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 11#Category:American sportspeople of Asian descent
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:North American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  4. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:Latin American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  5. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 13#Category:South American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:31, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Oceanian sportspeople by ethnic or national origin

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT recent proliferation of tiny categories with unusual and irrelevant hierarchical organization. Wikipedia:Category naming does not provide for by region encapsulating by country.
Same progenitor as:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 3#Category:American sportspeople of European descent
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 11#Category:American sportspeople of Asian descent
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:North American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  4. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 12#Category:Latin American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
  5. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 13#Category:South American sportspeople by ethnic or national origin
William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Border protection people

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Border control. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer with only 3 subcats. Category:Border guards should be moved up to Category:Border protection, and the other members are already in other subcats. If kept, speedy rename to Category:Border control people per C2D. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:24, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:TVOntario executives

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:15, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:TVOntario people

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:14, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:TVOntario

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:13, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:TVOntario original programming

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:22, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Speedy rename: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Badly-named La Trobe University courses

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The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as per Bduke. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:25, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale Rename all of these categories to make it clear they are user categories, follow standard naming conventions, and consolidate duplicates. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Current show jumping seasons

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 22:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not used for a while. Checking Category:Show jumping by year last time it could have been used was in 2017 and only for 1 article. Thats not enough to justify this category. "Cat:Current sports seasons" would work just as good. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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