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Category:Grammarians of Romanian

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 19:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge, renaming the page over the newer "Linguists". See the Yiddish nomination below for the 2015 precedent about of these category names. This category has 3 members: Alexandru Graur, whose article says he was a Romanian linguist; Iorgu Iordan, a Romanian linguist, philologist etc; and Ion Heliade Rădulescu, prolific translator of foreign literature into Romanian, also the author of books on linguistics. Evidently "linguists" would serve perfectly well. – Fayenatic London 22:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Grammarians of Yiddish

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 19:38, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge and redirect. The parent Grammarians was merged to Linguists in 2015, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 17#Grammarians categories, but we have not followed that up until now. Please see that CFD for SMcCandlish's explanation of the ambiguities and problems with the term "grammarians". In most cases by language of study, we have a category either named linguists or named grammarians, but Yiddish has both. Category:Grammarians of Yiddish was created by user:In ictu oculi in 2011; Category:Linguists of Yiddish is older and larger. Only 4 are currently categorised as grammarians: Solomon Birnbaum, whose article describes him as a Yiddish linguist; Dovid Katz, a scholar specializing in Yiddish language and literature; Mordkhe Schaechter, a leading Yiddish linguist; and L. L. Zamenhof, creator of Esperanto, who had earlier written the first grammar of Yiddish. I am not persuaded that the separate category is justified or useful, so following the precedent it should be merged. – Fayenatic London 22:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Memorial Cup tournaments by location

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:21, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCLOCATION. Events are not defined by where they are held. User:Namiba 22:26, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Paulo Coelho

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:24, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category named after a person, as per WP:OCEPON. This was discussed in 2017, but I feel 4 articles and a subcat is insufficient to warrant a separate category and isn't a "very notable case" as per WP:EPCATPERS. Kj cheetham (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep – useful for navigation as it contains 3 games/films based on his works as well as books by him. I considered renaming as "Works by Paulo Coelho", but that would exclude works based on his works; so it's simplest just to keep the current category. – Fayenatic London 16:58, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-Muslim

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: manually merge the first to appropriate targets, and merge the second. For the record, as the talk pages will presumably be deleted, there were previous discussions at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_September_23#Category:Non-Muslim_Islamic_scholars (no consensus), Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_19#Category:Non-Muslim_Islamic_scholars (no consensus to merge the first, so renamed) and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_May_22#Fiqh (led to creation of the second). The Wikidata item for the first is https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7067687 and has 5 interwiki links, of which the Arabic is the most populated. – Fayenatic London 22:04, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge as "non-Muslim" is not a verifiable characteristic. People may have converted to Islam without anyone knowing. While merging manually, many articles may more specifically be moved to Category:Islamic studies scholars since this is the category for academic "western style" scholars of Islam, regardless of their personal beliefs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:38, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This proposed merging might be misleading to unsuspecting readers and researchers. The argument that "people may have converted to Islam without anyone knowing" does not resonate with the characteristics of a Muslim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atibrarian (talk • contribs)
  • Keep -- There is a very major difference between those studying Islam from within it and those studying it from outside. I would not object to merging selectively to Category:Islamic studies scholars. I do not think the argument about unacknowledged conversion is a valid one. Most of those concerned are likely to be Christian or Jewish; possibly atheists or agnostics of those heritages. I accept that categorising by what they are not is unusual in WP. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:54, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 22:38, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If delete, we'll just have to manually merge them from the logs.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:24, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 20:51, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

1850s in sports in New York

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge/Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 19:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Having deleted the 1860s categories per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 30#Category:1867 in sports in New York (state), it makes no sense to keep these earlier categories for a single article. – Fayenatic London 15:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ottoman Baroque architecture

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 17#Category:Ottoman Baroque architecture

Category:Theatres that have burned down

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 17#Category:Theatres that have burned down

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