Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 September 24

September 24

Category:Tornadoes in Canada

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Tornadoes in Saskatchewan to Category:Tornadoes in Canada and Category:Natural disasters in Saskatchewan
Propose merging Category:Tornadoes in Alberta to Category:Tornadoes in Canada and Category:Natural disasters in Alberta

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Each has 2 articles. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Very poor rationale since the number of tornadoes in those two provinces will increase with time. This looks the biased view of an American about Canada. Pierre cb (talk) 05:42, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for now without objection to recreation of these categories when they can be populated with at least five articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Earthquakes in Canada

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in Nunavut to Category:Earthquakes in Canada and Category:Natural disasters in Nunavut
Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in the Northwest Territories to Category:Earthquakes in Canada and Category:Natural disasters in the Northwest Territories
Propose merging Category:Earthquakes in Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:Earthquakes in Canada and Category:Natural disasters in Newfoundland and Labrador

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Each has 1 article. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge for now without objection to recreation of these categories when they can be populated with at least five articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People of the Dutch Empire

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:People of the Dutch Empire to Category:People from the Dutch Empire

Propose renaming Category:People of Dutch Formosa to Category:People from Dutch Formosa
Propose renaming Category:17th-century people of the Dutch Empire to Category:17th-century people from the Dutch Empire
Propose renaming Category:18th-century people of the Dutch Empire to Category:18th-century people from the Dutch Empire
Propose renaming Category:20th-century people of the Dutch Empire to Category:20th-century people from the Dutch Empire
Propose renaming Category:19th-century people of the Dutch Empire to Category:19th-century people from the Dutch Empire

Propose renaming Category:People of former Danish colonies to Category:People from former Danish colonies

Nominator's rationale: norm is people from NATION Mason (talk) 21:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, we use "from" as a default for former countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Mason why have you put various Dutch sub-categories into Danish parents? That looks like a mistake, unless I missed a slice of history. – Fayenatic London 13:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My intent was to bundle several "of" categories together. I started with the Dutch ones, and then I saw that Danish category and figured I'd just lump it with the rest as the reasoning was the same. Mason (talk) 23:04, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jewish contract bridge players

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:31, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Jewish contract bridge players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:EGRS/I: Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics), with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless these characteristics are relevant to that topic. This intersection of religion and occupation is not defining. Edward-Woodrow • talk 17:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:OCEGRS - Listify, if wanted. - jc37 18:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 20:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reconsider unless similar categories and associated pages such as for chess players (an analogous "mind sport") and athletes also are being deleted on same rationale. Otherwise, what's really needed is a page titled List of Jewish bridge players — as exists for chess players. Casey (talk) 01:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is a category, not a page. Creating List of Jewish contract bridge players is presumably an option. - jc37
- Agree that other Jewish sportspeople categories should be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Seems as if all similar pages themselves should be purged along with other "sensitive" categories? And how about the ubiquitous mention of religious heritage in many bios? (e.g., "Goren was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Russian Jewish immigrants.") Sometimes such could be considered essential in defining the subject's persona, as for, say, a well-known rabbi or perhaps an ambassador to Israel — but this doesn't seem to be the case for the famous bridge player Charles Goren; it's not like "He spent his youth playing bridge at the Jewish Community Center." My apologies for burdening THIS particular discussion with concepts undoubtedly covered elsewhere in Wikipedia's administrative sections! Casey (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:OCEGRS Place Clichy (talk) 20:43, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:LGBT Bahá'ís

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 2#Category:LGBT Bahá'ís

Category:Businesswomen from Goa

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Note that the Andhra Pradesh one will be merged to Category:Businesspeople from Andhra Pradesh. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Businesswomen from Goa, Category:Businesswomen from Andhra Pradesh to Category:Businesspeople from Goa

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEGRS: Do not create categories that intersect a particular topic (such as occupation, place of residence, or other such characteristics), with an ethnicity, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or disability, unless these characteristics are relevant to that topic. Gender is not defining for businesspeople, and, given the size of this category, it would be best to upmerge to the parent category. Unnecessary overcategorization. Edward-Woodrow • talk 17:15, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably all subcategories of Category:Indian businesswomen by state or union territory should be nominated in conjunction. Besides a second merge target is Category:Indian women in business. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bird sanctuaries of Goa

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Bird sanctuaries of India and Category:Wildlife sanctuaries in Goa. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Bird sanctuaries of Goa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT of limited usefulness; upmerge one article to parent categories. Edward-Woodrow • talk 17:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Bird sanctuaries of India and Category:Wildlife sanctuaries in Goa. Several sibling categories should be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tripartite Alliance

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 12#Category:Tripartite Alliance

Category:30 Days of Night novels

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Novels based on comics and Category:American vampire novels. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:28, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:30 Days of Night novels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: All entries have been redirected as non-notable. Upmerge all entries to Category:30 Days of Night (franchise), Category:Novels based on comics, and Category:American vampire novels. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 17:01, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Only merge to the latter two: Category:Novels based on comics, and Category:American vampire novels. Merging to Category:30 Days of Night (franchise) is redundant because the article is already in there. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User removes ampersands

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:26, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:User removes ampersands (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category seems to exist for editors who use one particular userbox which right now is one editor. The category is uncategorized so I'm not sure where it fits into User template categories and whether or not this is a proper use. I don't know whether there is the likelihood of expansion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - It's stated several times in WP:UBX and in WP:USERCAT, that not every userbox needs a category. - jc37 18:31, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jc37. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Prussia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Prussia to Category:16th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Europe

Nominator's rationale: merge, the only article is about a rapid convert to Protestantism, and is already in Category:16th-century Lutheran bishops in Prussia. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. also it's probably is a pretty narrow category Mason (talk) 20:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:16th-century Prussian people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 12#Category:16th-century Prussian people

Category:Packet (sea transport)

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Packet boat. The RM at Talk:Packet_boat#Requested_move_(#2)_24_September_2023 agreed to keep the article at the current title. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:20, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Packet (sea transport) to Category:Packets

Nominator's rationale: These vessels were known as "packets". When used in inland and coastal waterways they were known as packet boats. When used on trans-Atlantic routes they were known as packet ships. Several of the vessels listed in this category are disambiguated as "packet." Gjs238 (talk) 14:32, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this way, the target is not different enough from packet boat. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - (UK) Packet ships and (US) packet boats are very different. Should be split into two separate categories Lyndaship (talk) 17:46, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The ship and boat segments that you refer to could be subcategorized under the proposed category. Gjs238 (talk) 18:55, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you please peruse the discussion taking place for the article over at Talk:Packet boat. Today's most recent comment invokes WP:COMMONNAME to use the term "packet boat" for both packet boats and packet ships. Gjs238 (talk) 13:43, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Revise proposal: Rename category to Packet boats and ships C2D (as per recently renamed article). Gjs238 (talk) 22:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

C2D does not apply, as the article was unilaterally moved. There is currently an RM going on. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eponymous rename to Category:Packet boat

Nominator's rationale: Some time ago, the articles Packet ship & Packet (sea transport) (two article names referring to the same thing) were merged into Packet boat. But the category Category:Packet (sea transport) was never revised after the article merge. Propose to rename the category to match the eponymous article name. Gjs238 (talk) 12:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let's just follow the outcome of the RM discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose packets are not ships or boats. In normal English it is a package, the packet (container) -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 11:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Paintings and sculptures in museums by nationality

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 2#Paintings and sculptures in museums by nationality

Category:People of the Kingdom of England

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:People of the Kingdom of England to Category:People from the Kingdom of England

Nominator's rationale: nationalities typically use "from" not of. Mason (talk) 00:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support, people from former countries typically use "from". Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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