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Some more non-governmental organizations categories

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Nominator's rationale: Following up from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 24#Category:Non-governmental organizations (and previous discussions from 2016: 1, 2), however, for the nominated categories, purging individual organizations would leave either none or 1-2 articles. Therefore, I largely propose renaming/merging to general organizations categories (similar to the linked 2016 CfDs), with the merge of Category:International nongovernmental organizations to Category:International non-profit organizations intended as a manual, selective merge.
Regarding Category:Non-governmental organizations involved in the Israeli–Syrian conflict, I'm leaning towards deletion as I don't think the category (even as Category:Organizations involved in the Israeli–Syrian conflict) is very useful for navigation (there is no article or category for Israeli–Syrian conflict, and it currently only contains one article, which is also already in the parent cat Category:Golan Heights), but I wouldn't be opposed to renaming it either if that's what the majority wants. Felida97 (talk) 21:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bearcat, Marcocapelle, and LaundryPizza03: Courtesy ping to all participants of the recent discussion mentioned above. Felida97 (talk) 21:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename/merge/delete all as proposed by nom. We estbalished that the term is ill-defined and redundant. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Black commanders of the Napoleonic Wars

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Nominator's rationale: I'm on the fence about this category existing, but regardless, I think it needs to be renamed to match the norm of People of African descent SMasonGarrison 20:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:778 in Java

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Nominator's rationale: Largely isolated category with only 1 article. Merge/delete per WP:NARROW. There is no categorization tree for years in Java. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Impact and legacy of Madonna

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Nominator's rationale: It is needlessly repetitive to simultaneously have "impact" and "legacy" in a title as this category currently does. Using one or the other is sufficient, and if people don't want "legacy" to be here, then I would also be perfectly fine with just having "impact" instead. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wartime recipes

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Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category SMasonGarrison 14:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:War massacre victims

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Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to distinguish whether the massacre was war-related? SMasonGarrison 14:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Romani genocide victims

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Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer with survivors and those who died as a result. SMasonGarrison 14:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:War crime victims

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Nominator's rationale: I think the rename is easier to read, but I'm not sure what others think about this category SMasonGarrison 14:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I created both of these two categories, and I turned the latter page into a category redirect for the new page because I specifically thought "War crime victims" would be the superior name. In fact, I would prefer to tag "Victims of war crimes" with the speedy deletion template. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leave alone and take a look at the subcategories which vary from "Victims of X" and "X victims". We should consider standardizing those. Mike Selinker (talk) 01:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Politicians imprisoned during the Yemeni Civil War (2014–present)

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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between occupation and imprisonment. SMasonGarrison 13:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1686 disestablishments in Iceland

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Nominator's rationale: Largely isolated category with just one article. Merge/delete per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. SMasonGarrison 14:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1035 establishments in Scotland

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Nominator's rationale: This is the lone category for X establishments in Scotland in the 11th century with just one article. Merge/delete per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:42, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.SMasonGarrison 14:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1809 in New Zealand

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Nominator's rationale: This category contains just the topic article and one event article and is the only year category in the 1800s for New Zealand. Merge up to Category:1800s in New Zealand and Category:1809 in the British Empire. Both articles are already in the Category:1809 in Oceania tree and the topic article is already in Category:Years of the 19th century in New Zealand category so no merging there is needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Government by country

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Nominator's rationale: Similar categories MRTFR55 (talk) 07:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Novels by theme

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Nominator's rationale: See longer explanation at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Games#"Theme"_category_problem_started_by_Category:Games_by_genre_or_theme. This is the least controversial (if anything is). It is subcat to Category:Fiction books by topic, there is no Category:Themes or 'by themes' anywhere except in few instances I pointed out in the linked analysis; all themes should be rename to topics since we have a cat tree for topics, not themes. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PS. I did not notice the target already exists. Well, merge instead of renaming then, I guess. Duplicate concept. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just delete, most subcategories are already in Category:Novels about interpersonal relationships which is a subcategory of Category:Novels by topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm looking at the two category trees, and at Theme (narrative), and I'm wondering if perhaps we should be looking at a reverse merge. I agree that we don't need both trees. I think the prevailing term for these is theme, rather than topic. And maybe that will help remove the inaccurate usage of "x and genre" named categories as well. All that said, having Works with X themes opens up to really broad categories, because, using novels as an example, the "theme" could be be due to a mere sentence, a paragraph, a chapter, or throughout the book. I'm not sure how to best resolve that. The difficulty, of course is that we're at the whim of the author's free usage of whatever themes they may decide to toss into a work, regardless of whether it furthers the overall plot (or narrative structure), or not. It would be nice if we could standardize all of the subcats into Works about X. At least that makes it (sort of) clear that it's about the the entire work than merely parts of it. Anyone else have any thoughts on these? Maybe we can come up with a standard for going forward. - jc37 21:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jc37 Are you suggesting we should rename everything in Category:Works by topic to Category:Works by theme? That would be much more work than what I suggested in the linked discussion (where I propose to rename the very few theme categories to topic categories). Might be best to discuss it there? I don't have a preference, to be honest, except I want to see standardized terminology, and it seems theme and topic mean the same thing here. But yes, I see your point that a work can have one topic but more than one theme, but is it really that clear? I am pretty sure many entities are categorized as having multiple themes. Ex. Wolfenstein 3D has cats related to 'Adolf Hitler', 'Experimental medical treatments', 'WW2' and 'Nazi Germany'. Those all seem like topics/themes to me (although the category trees are somewhat convoluted...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment, I am ok with either topic or theme, it's more important that the subcategories are consistently called "about". Marcocapelle (talk) 10:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure whether topic or theme is better, both have their plusses and minuses. So for now, I'll agree with the above that that's probably a bigger discussion, and so, for now, supporting these heading to the already-existing topic tree. And yes, definitely, the subcats should be standardized to "Works about X" - so in this case, "Novels about X". - jc37 23:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Clear consensus for a change; though a reminder that subcategories are currently outside the scope of this discussion. (If you want to discuss them, please tag 'em.) Should the change be in the form of deleting or merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball players from Fayette County, Texas

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Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Namiba's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Foreign civilians killed in the Syrian civil war

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Nominator's rationale: No need to distinguish that they're "Foreign civilians", furthermore, many of these people were journalists, which already exists as a catregory Category:Journalists killed while covering the Syrian civil war. SMasonGarrison 04:23, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison: What about Category:Foreigners killed in the Syrian civil war in general? AHI-3000 (talk) 08:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have mixed feelings about it. If both nominations go through it would be empty. SMasonGarrison 14:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison: Shouldn't it be nominated together with all the other "Foreign people in the Syrian civil war" categories? And for that matter, why is the discussion for the "foreign soldiers in Syria" categories in a separate section below? AHI-3000 (talk) 19:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I used the CFD tool to nominate them, so that defaults to doing them separately. SMasonGarrison 20:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Foreign military personnel killed in the Syrian civil war

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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being non-syrian, being in the military, and participating in the civil war. It would just be better to actually categorize these people by their nationality. SMasonGarrison 04:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Podujevo

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Nominator's rationale: I do not see the difference between these two cartegories. Robby (talk) 23:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not everything has been tagged for a week; if there are no objections we should be all set to process the nomination :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Beaches of Oceania

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 beach article each. Merge per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sub-categories of Category:People from Tahiti

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Nominator's rationale: People from X categories are not needed for small communes on the island of Tahiti. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Airports in Tahiti

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 airport article for the island of Tahiti. Merge per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1727 establishments in Mongolia

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Nominator's rationale: There is only 1 article in this tree. Merge/delete per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1765 in Burma

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Nominator's rationale: All 3 articles are of wars or expeditions that listed multiple years in the 1760s. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1741 establishments in Greenland

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article in this tree. Merge/delete –Aidan721 (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Canadian federal electoral districts disestablished in 2013

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Nominator's rationale: See previous nomination, except this time for the disestablishment of electoral districts, here those which last were represented in 2015. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 00:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Very interesting idea. I created these categories thinking it would be helpful. In fact I was originally going to name the categories the way you propose, but I noticed that on the riding info-boxes the year of creation and year of abolishment was "off-election-year" so it was a bit confusing. Is the 2012 Canadian federal electoral redistribution for 2013 or 2015? I have no issue with the renaming - 2015 and 2025 are more useful for corresponding to the elections of that year. - Moondragon21 (talk) 06:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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