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I would like to ask for reverting the deletion of Body Sensor Networks wiki page.
I have been conducting research on Body Sensor Networks for nearly ten years and would like to write an article about the field. The editing of the article has just been started. However, it seems that the site is always redirected to Body Area Network while I am editing the page, and it has been deleted subsequently.
BSN and BAN are actually different and often mistakenly used. Body Sensor Network (BSN) refers to both the infrastructure and applications of the network, just similar to Wireless Sensor Network (WSN), while Body Area Network (BAN) refers to only the network infrastructure similar to Local Area Network (LAN) or Personal Area Network (PAN).
The term BSN also includes the use of implantable sensors and which is a different wireless connectivity to those commonly used in BAN. BSN also covers several network topologies than that described on the existing BAN page.
I am new to wikipedia, so please advise what can I do to keep the Body Sensor Networks wiki page. I am willing to edit the content, if it is not agree with wikipedia's policies. As an expert and a strong supporter in the field, I would like to set this straight.
The Body Sensor Networks page created in 2007 was not done by me. I have recently modified the page as I saw that it was mistakenly redirected to the BAN page. As I started to work on the page, the initial references are from the inventor of the term, but I was in the process of adding more information from other researchers in the community.
Could you please have a look and help in reconsidering the revert the deletion decision of the recently added Body Sensor Networks page?
Thank you very much in advance. (Airuko (talk) 06:00, 25 November 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Hi, can you provide sources that discuss BSN vs. BAN or show that BSN, as a term of art, has some kind of general acceptance? Looking at the AfD, it _sounds_ like one professor is using this term, while others do not. Could you clarify that (ideally with references)? Thanks, Hobit (talk) 05:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the sentence BSN and BAN are actually different and often mistakenly used is telling. English is not a prescriptive language, so use defines meaning not visa versa. If the two are used interchangeably, they are interchangeable. I'm slightly worried here that the two might have different translations Japanese (or some other language) which may not be interchangeable. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- For references from other information sources, please see
- - http://www.efytimes.com/e1/creativenews.asp?edid=73192
- - https://www.zotero.org/groups/chiarini_thesis_references/items/itemKey/FKAVMNGN#./FKAVMNGN?&_suid=163
- - http://www.cms.livjm.ac.uk/pri/otherprojects.html#A_Body_Sensor_Network_and_Gaming_Platform_for_Dynamically_Adapting_Physiotherapy_Treatments
- - http://www.media.mit.edu/people/joep
- - http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/trad/hi/newsid_4120000/newsid_4125700/4125706.stm
- - http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1459617
- - http://www.startribune.com/business/90362829.html?page=2&c=y
- In http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-10323325-247.html, the usage of BSN and BAN are clearly defined.
- In general, most papers on BANs are network related, and most papers on BSN includes sensors, application, network, biocompatability, energy harvesting, etc. There are quite a lots of work on sensors in the BSN community which may not always have wireless or BAN. If required, more references can be provided. (Airuko (talk) 05:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- I've looked through all the references given above and followed about 15 of the dozens of the links from the previous version of the page. None of them discussed BANs and BSNs in a comparative fashion, or as being different things. Of the links I clicked on the only one that mentioned BSNs by name was https://doi.org/10.1007%2F978-3-540-70994-7_28 which is a paper / talk from a conference with the term in the title (the term does not appear in the title of the paper, nor the abstract). Of the references above only https://www.zotero.org/groups/chiarini_thesis_references/items/itemKey/FKAVMNGN and http://www.cms.livjm.ac.uk/pri/otherprojects.html mention BSNs (but the latter uses it a LOT). I see no evidence of BSNs and BANs being anything but synonyms. Stuartyeates (talk) 06:30, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to admit that in several research papers, BAN is used instead of BSN, either because in some contexts they are replacable or they are mistakenly used. To be precise, the terms do have different meanings. BAN usually refer to the network architecture (as defined by the IEEE standard). Researchers in this area can usually differentiate between the two terms. In addition to http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-10323325-247.html that I gave above, you can also see from the links below:
- - http://www.slideshare.net/jassics/body-area-network-8498901
- - http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~jain/cse574-08/ftp/ban/index.html
- It is also accepted in the field that 'Professor Guang-Zhong Yang was the first person to formally define the phrase "Body Sensor Network" (BSN) with publication of his book Body Sensor Networks in 2006.' as metioned in the link above (which is from a third person across the continent). The term existed since before I started my research on BSN in 2003. There are several terms invented afterward. There is also Body Sensor Area Networks (BASNs) which actually come after in 2009 (http://people.virginia.edu/~bhc2b/papers/HansonEtalComputer09.pdf). I do believe that the majority of people in this research area will be able to differentiate between the two terms (just from the meanings of the words used in the terms themselves). Even if the terms will mutate and eventually become synonyms, I do hope you would allow us to keep and further develop the BSN wiki page to be more complete. This is very important to us as much as wikipedia is important to you. I hope you understand. (Airuko (talk) 15:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- To clarify the points mentioned by Stuartyeates, BSN stands for Body Sensor Network. The term Body Sensor Network is used in all the links I gave above, although not all of them are in a relative fasion with BAN (Body Area Network). In the three references given previously, however, BSN and BAN were mentioned as different things. To support my earlier claims, I also would like to add a few more references:
- - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070913081044.htm
- - http://www.innovation.rca.ac.uk/CMS/files/Innovate5+cover.pdf
- - http://www.ece.uah.edu/~jovanov/paper/Jovanov09_TITB_BSN_Editorial.pdf
- - http://www.innovation.rca.ac.uk/234/all/1/Body_sensing_network.aspx (Airuko (talk) 17:02, 29 November 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- relist we now have reasonable sources with which to make a better call. I'm not sure what the right organizational scheme is, but we have solid RSes showing that the two topics are different. The nom here may need to be careful with WP:COI and should probably indicate what relationship, if any. he/she has with Professor Guang-Zhong Yang... Hobit (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I used to be his student four years ago. I am now working as a lecturer in an university in Thailand and have no any formal link with Prof. Yang (Airuko (talk) 02:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC))[reply]
- Thanks. If you are going to edit a BSN article (if it gets restored) you should consider making a note of that per WP:COI. I don't think it's a clear case of needing to, but I'll leave it to you to read the COI guideline and figure out how best to proceed. Best of luck! Hobit (talk) 15:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reverse redirect and restart merge discussion, with a note on the talk page of both articles. I see no point in relisting an AfD when deletion is not being considered, but I also think there is not yet consensus that this should exist as a standalone article. DRV is not the best place to discuss this though; article talk space is. Chick Bowen 04:44, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm fine with that. You are right, since deletion isn't being considered AfD is probably the wrong place. Hobit (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm really not at all convinced, but Airuko seems motivated to make an article. What I suggest it that the article is userified for Airuko (who is welcome to ping me once the references are integrated into the article and the article clearly articulates what BSN is and how it differs from BAN, if they choose). Stuartyeates (talk) 08:45, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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