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Some user accused one sentence of the article is a recreation of deleted article Scholarism, but Moral and national education is related to the social issue from a broader perspective, and Scholarism is just one-sentence mention. Moral and national education controversy is a social issue, evidenced by many sources in the article before its speedy deletion. IF Moral and national education needs to be deleted, it should not be deleted as per CSG G4, but via AFD. The MNE controversy will make newspaper headline on almost every newspaper in Hong Kong tomorrow.--Jabo-er (talk) 14:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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AfDs for this article:
The page was speedily deleted under G4, which only applies if a page is a "sufficiently identical and unimproved copy... of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion". From what I recall, at the time of the most recent AfD, the page lacked specific references to reliable independent sources. The page speedily deleted had been improved with additional references. The AfD stated that "all are free to recreate the article with sufficient sources" once better sources were unearthed. I tried to resolve the issue with the closing administrator, who indicated that my remedy was WP:DRV. Thanar (talk) 01:44, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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I strongly believe that the page was deleted wrongfully. The article, nominated for deletion for the second time, was deleted with five votes, because the posters agreed that the band doesn't meet the WP:Band requirements and isn't notable. However, trying to appeal to the deletion's initiator first, I've proved that the band fulfills the needed requirements and is, in fact, notable metal group that has a strong cult following. Still, we didn't come to a conclusion. Hawk18727 (talk) 15:52, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
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I think this debate is pretty closely related to User:Jimbo Wales' statements made in his 2012 "State of the Wiki" address which WP:POST to "cover all topics, even if they are pure pop culture, because if the Wikimedia movement does not cover it, the people will go somewhere else" as stated in Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2012-07-16/Wikimania. Given that the Big Kahuna has spoken on the issue, I would like to consider the propriety of this close on two grounds. First, why was this relisted when it was 10 keep and 4 delete? Why was it again relisted when 14 more votes came in to make this 17 keep and 11 delete? Then a bunch of comments came in to make it about 33 delete and 23 keep. More importantly, since Scottywong (talk · contribs) closing rationale which states that WP:INDISCRIMINATE dominates WP:GNG flies in the face of Jimbo's "State of the Wiki" address, we should reconsider whether we want to discard the GNG-based notability of this pop culture topic. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
"Ignore all rules" does not mean that every action is justifiable. It is neither a trump card nor a carte blanche. Rule ignorers must justify how their actions improve the encyclopedia if challenged. Actually, everyone should be able to do that at all times. In cases of conflict, what counts as an improvement is decided by consensus.
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I was the nom for the AfD of this BLP, which resulted in delete. The subject was unhappy (1, 2) that his page was deleted. Ferox Seneca also had some concerns about the outcome, prompting the closing admin, T. Canens, to restore it to Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Jesse Liberty.
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In this and the previous AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama on Twitter) the widespread consensus to merge to Barack Obama on Social Media or Communications of Barack Obama were ignored by the closing admins. In fact all other X on Twitter accounts have been deleted or merged and a Village Pump consensus that these articles are NOT appropriate was not considered. LuciferWildCat (talk) 22:02, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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This image is under the Open Government License, under the Controller of HMSO's offer, as it is Crown Copyright, and does not fall into a small number of exceptions listed at the linked page. This was true at the time of the deletion listing, though it was not mentioned on the license template as it is now. As a note, the other file in the old XfD is also fine, and I uploaded it later to Commons without knowing about its deletion on enwiki. —innotata 19:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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This debate was closed as keep by WilyD (talk · contribs) with 4 delete !votes, 1 merge !vote and 5 delete !votes. However, many of the delete votes were not policy-driven and most complied with WP:NOTAGAIN and other arguments to avoid. There was not consensus to keep this article, especially as the first AfD resulted in delete and the previous AfD drew no consensus. SplashScreen (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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This AfD was closed with the rationale "policy based argument, majority of editors" by WilyD (talk · contribs). This is despite the fact that the majority of keep arguments violated WP:ATA (including one WP:JUSTAVOTE and multiple examples of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and WP:NOTINHERITED) and the rather blatant fact that not one keep !voter even suggested that the article passed WP:NSONGS. The closing administrator needs to be reminded of WP:NOTAVOTE. SplashScreen (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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In my close of the RfC merge discussion at Talk:Bloke#Bloke is broke., I wrote: Scottywong (talk · contribs) closed the AfD as "keep", writing (bolding added for emphasis): I find the rationale in the closing statement to be a misreading of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary, which states in its lead (bolding added for emphasis): JohnBlackburne (talk · contribs), Rossami (talk · contribs), and Snow Rise (talk · contribs) persuasively argued that the content was no more than a lexical entry. Finally, Cnilep (talk · contribs), who did not explicitly declare a position for either side wrote, Based on the strengths of the arguments, I find not a consensus to keep the article, but a consensus to transwiki to Wiktionary. Overturn to transwiki to Wiktionary. Cunard (talk) 22:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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The closer of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universe Today (4th nomination) wrote (bolding added for emphasis): This DRV is not a request to overturn the "no consensus" close; a reasonable argument could be made that "no consensus" was within Sandstein's discretion as closer (if the numbers of votes for each side was considered in addition to the quality of arguments). Instead, this is a request for the community to relist the discussion for more substantive discussion, a decision the closing admin finds reasonable but did not want to unilaterally enact. Endorse relisting the AfD as suggested by the closing admin. Cunard (talk) 00:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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The edit summary says CSD#G7 but that page states "provided that the only substantial content to the page and to the associated talk page was added by its author" which is not the case with this page. It has existed for years, has had many contributors, and has previously survived a vote for deletion. Sickle and Hammer (talk) 21:18, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
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The original close was a proper WP:NAC reverted by a WP:INVOLVED editor and then modified by an administrator without any explanation. No one voted for deletion so the correct close is Keep. CallawayRox (talk) 19:13, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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Inappropriate non-admin closure with a redirect. My request to the editor concerned [11] was deleted without comment. I realise this is not a delete, and I could revert it myself but would like some clarification. Thanks Mcewan (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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The article about the podcast TOFOP was deleted due to questionable notability, as a result of insufficient sources being available. Since then, in addition to it's regular placings in the Top 10 iTunes comedy podcast charts in Australia, numerous sources have come to light which demonstrate its notability. Some of these are listed here:
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Completely out of process deletion by User:Salvio giuliano. The page was XfD'd in November 2011 with a result of no consensus. SG deleted the page at the end of May 2012, citing that XfD debate. This should be speedily overturned. If you want to delete something, go through the proper channel, don't just decide something should not exist and unilateraly impose your will just because you have access to admin tools. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 14:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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User:Thine Antique Pen is adding hundreds of articles about loactions which really seem irrelevant. There must be a cultural, economical, historical or archaeological relevance - a location with i.e. 16 people is not relevant! I marked several articles for speedy deletion - that means to be deleted perhaps after 7 days. But the user obviously doesn't understand the reason. --House1630 (talk) 19:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC) see Category:Populated places in Artvin Province and Category:Populated places in Amasya Province, in summary about 500 stubs! --House1630 (talk) 21:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
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Undo speedy Deletion The original site was deleted due to lack of notability and having links broken. I have added 10 more notable sources and fixed every broken link. I feel that the site is notable enough to proceed. The first admin instructed me to combine Nick Savoy and Love systems together due to the fact that Nick is owner of the company and any actions done by him are through love systems. Any notable content that would be used for Nick should be used for Love systems. In comparison to many of the other articles in this field, I believe it is the most notable but having trouble remaining up. I would just like some constructive feedback if anything is wrong or needs to be replaced and that a tempundelete be performed so that it may be discussed. If i have followed any instruction wrong, please alert me and I will fix them as soon as possible. I will be asleep (work overnights) but will try and update as soon as I awake. Greggcas (talk) 17:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC) My Apologies if the format is incorrect But I struggle with code...
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Spotware Systems Ltd (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore) <speedy delete> Forextrader2011 (talk) 11:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC) My apologies if the format is incorrect above or above but I struggle with code... In summary I am trying to post the above content. Similar to Ctrader which was deleted for lack of sources, and similar to Spotware which was also deleted for lack of sources (see comments from Arbitrarily0). The latest attempt was speedy deleted for being the same but the content (see comments from Lenticel) is now supported by verifiable sources. In addition to that I make 3 comments to back up the content. 1. It is notable - forex trading is a huge market ($4 trillion a day!) and impacts on all aspects of the world's finances and therefore our lives. 2. like all good Wiki content this was not intended to be the complete, but develop over time through input from other posters, it has not been given a chance to do that. 3. there are many many examples of similar pages that have not been deleted that are in the forex industry see - alpari, metatrader, fxcm to name just a few. Any criticisms people have of the industry are entirely subjective, it is no better or worse than banks, fund management, etc etc. Sorry for the ramble but I just want my content to be given a chance to develop, if there is no activity on the page from other posters updating or disputing it after a few months then put it up for discussion then. Having said that the original case against it was lack of sources and those have now been provided. Many Thanks Forextrader2011 (talk) 11:31, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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Redirect should be undeleted as it is greatly inconvenient to use templates such as {{flag}} without this. While "Micronesia" is indeed a Geographic region, much like Ireland the association is clear even though geographic region of Ireland has two political entities on it: Republic of Ireland (this is what people typically refer to when they say "Ireland") and Northern Ireland (a part of the United Kingdom). Nobody will confuse Micronesia ( Federated States of Micronesia) with a geographic region when used though the flag template or any other similar template. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 08:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
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dispute of the deletion of this article when adequate references were provided to prove the significance of this living person Kittensfoot (talk) 10:05, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
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CADprofi page has been created on April 2011. This page has been quite poorly created with almost no reference links and in a discussion debate at the end of April 2011 it has been voted to be deleted. After some time (aprox 8 months) I have created an another page CADprofi but this time with a text that meets the notability guideline and with many reference links. There was another discussion about this page (even longer than the previous one) and in the discussion, this page has been voted to stay. After some time (aprox 4 months) on 28th of June 2012 Mr RHaworth has deleted the second version of this page (speedy deletion) upon the "G4: Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion" rule. Personally I don't find this rule to apply to this page. For example I could create a page about about some famous artist which has been voted to be deleted. Does it mean that nobody can recreate this page again but this time with another text that follows the notability guideline? CADprofi page has been recreated, there was a new discussion and it was voted to stay in this discussion (which seems that was also deleted). Klimbert
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File information page for a file on Commons consisting of a fair use rationale. Although local file information pages sometimes are allowed (e.g. for the {{badimage}} template), it seems totally inappropriate to have a local file information page on Wikipedia consisting of a fair use rationale. If the file is unfree, it should not be on Commons in the first place, and so Commons images shouldn't have fair use rationales. User:AnomieBOT closed the request by keeping the file information page on the grounds that the file is on Commons, but this seems irrelevant here. Since the bot doesn't allow the discussion to be held at the normal place, I'm taking it here instead. Stefan2 (talk) 12:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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The article was deleted on the grounds of WP:NOTDIARY and WP:IINFO, which suggests the topic of the article is problem and it obviously does not belong on Wikipedia. Hence, deletion. At the same time, the closing administrator said the WP:NOTDIARY and WP:IINFO could be included in the article. The closing administrator made content comments, citing the Charlie Sheen comments. Articles deletion are based on policies, not content. For example, an article with 1,000 reliable sources that establish notability will be kept even if only one of those appears in an article. Content is not a consideration. Admin does not appear to have given weight to sources that establish independent notability of the subject. given issues, WP:NOCONSENSUS seems obvious close. --LauraHale (talk) 09:37, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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For the first time, an article on a Zynga game was deleted before anyone had time to expand it. Georgia guy Georgia guy (talk) 23:43, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
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Subject is (sufficiently) noteworthy. I __definitely__ don't have any personal investment or interest in this film, but my sense is that it is noteworthy enough to merit an entry in Wikipedia. It has reviews in noteworthy popular media (Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgia-kelly/thrive-film_b_1168930.html), a legit IMDB page with 23 reviews, and so on. If it's difficult to maintain an unbiased, factual entry because of continuous sockpuppetry, that's a separate problem. Right? Joseph N Hall (talk) 08:48, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Also, this is apparently a 2nd request for review (the first being made shortly after the original deletion). My reading of the original discussion is that recreating the page with a short article "with sources" would not have been opposed. So, perhaps the reason that there isn't an article is that no one (other than someone using Wikipedia as a sales medium) felt like (re)creating one. Joseph N Hall (talk) 09:29, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Here is another print article: http://www.sfreporter.com/santafe/article-6675-new-age-of-paranoia.html. In addition, I remember a minor stir created when people featured in the film publicly distanced themselves from its content: http://www.santacruz.com/news/2012/04/10/author_john_robbins_other_progressives_denounce_thrive. Honestly, I think an article capturing this bit of perfunctory noteworthiness would be ... um, noteworthy. Joseph N Hall (talk) 09:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC) And another lengthy article (not one of the various blogs pro/con that has grown up around the film) covering the film's contents as well as various responses to it: http://www.metroactive.com/features/thrive-cult-film.html. Also, note that many of the people who have appeared in the film are notable (and appear on Wikipedia). And apparently there is a substantial web viewership (although there is no number I can verify). Anyway, enough already. Joseph N Hall (talk) 10:11, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm willing to write a short article. What is the procedure for creating an article to replace a deleted page? Joseph N Hall (talk) 07:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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I believe the topic specific guideline that applies to these two articles is WP:Notability (people)#Politicians. It has a clause that says national and state/provincial judges are notable. Some in the delete camp claimed the unofficial Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide#People essay applied instead of the topic specific guideline. I think the official guideline WP:Notability (academics) says it clearest. It asserts that individuals who met its notability criteria are notable without regard to whether the individuals do not meet the criteria of other notability guidelines. So, even if WP:SOLDIER was an official guideline -- not an essay -- it would not over-ride WP:POLITICIAN. The misconceptions I mentioned above were that in order to meet the "judge" clause of WP:POLITICIAN a judge had to sit on a "major appellate court" or a Supreme Court. This is not what the guideline says, and it is at odds with earlier closures. Finally, I dispute that the USCMCR is not a "major appellate court" -- as it is the only appellate court in the entire military commission system. Prior to the instantiation of the Military Commission system the USA had two judicial systems -- its civilian and its military judicial systems. Legal critics call it a third judicial system. Cases can't be appealed beyond the USCMCR, cannot be appealed to the SCOTUS. Geo Swan (talk) 01:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
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Subject now notable, AFC for him at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Dave_Days ready to move to mainspace
In conclusion, it doesn't quite meet WP:BIO/WP:GNG just yet. Which is a shame, as this guy produces good content, by YouTube standards. I recommend further review of this in future, as more applicable sources are found. Of course, I can quickly change my view if I misinterpreted one of the sources above.--Otterathome (talk) 18:48, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
As the reviewer, I'm confused. If the new contributor is looking at this, I'm sure he's very confused. Have we reached any conclusion re the Dave Days article yet, or is this still under discussion? And if I've butted in to an admins-only forum, my apologies, please let me know. David_FLXD (Talk) 06:32, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
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Admin Jenks24, who is a member of a wiki-project involved with the subject (which is against WP:AFD guidelines) in question speedily kept the subject without a deletion debate on a faulty premise to avoid discussion about how/if the subject is non-notable, has no significant coverage and fails WP:GNG, WP:EVENT and WP:NRIVALRY. As per WP:DRV an article must stand or fall on it's own merits, and those merits in this case are WP:GNG, WP:EVENT and WP:NRIVALRY. I request the reopening of the deletion debate and for a neutral, non-involved Admin to determine a decision after the full 7 days. Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Admin Jenks24, who is a member of a wiki-project involved with the subject (which is against WP:AFD guidelines) in question speedily kept the subject without a deletion debate on a faulty premise of 'disruption' because I became better aware of WP:AFD guidelines after participating in a similar deletion debate on another article. WP:DRV says an article must stand on it's own merits. The article has had no reliable independent sources for over 3 years. It fails WP:GNG, WP:EVENT and is a marketing gimmick that fails WP:NRIVALRY. I request the reopening of the deletion debate and for a neutral, non-involved Admin to determine the debate after the full 7 days. Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Admin Jenks24, who is a member of a wiki-project involved with the subject (which is against WP:AFD guidelines) in question speedily kept the subject without a deletion debate on a faulty premise of 'disruption' because I became better aware of WP:AFD guidelines after participating in a similar deletion debate on another article. WP:DRV says an article must stand on it's own merits. The article has had no significant, reliable independent sources for over 3 years. It fails WP:GNG, WP:EVENT and is a marketing gimmick that fails WP:NRIVALRY. I request the reopening of the deletion debate and for a neutral, non-involved Admin to determine a decision after the full 7 days. Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Admin Jenks24, who is a member of a wiki-project involved with the subject (which is against WP:AFD guidelines) in question speedily kept the subject without a deletion debate on a faulty premise of 'disruption' because I became better aware of WP:AFD guidelines after participating in a similar deletion debate on another article. WP:DRV says an article must stand on it's own merits. The article has had no significant, reliable independent sources, is non-notable and fails WP:GNG, WP:EVENT and is a marketing gimmick that fails WP:NRIVALRY. I request the reopening of the deletion debate and for a neutral, non-involved Admin to determine the keep after the full 7 days. Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC) Admin Jenks24, who is a member of a wiki-project involved with the subject (which is against WP:AFD guidelines) in question speedily kept the subject without a deletion debate on a faulty premise of 'disruption' because I became better aware of WP:AFD guidelines after participating in a similar deletion debate on another article. WP:DRV says an article must stand on it's own merits. The article has no sources at all and has had none for over a year. It fails WP:GNG, WP:EVENT and WP:NRIVALRY. I request the reopening of the deletion debate and for a neutral, non-involved Admin to determine a decision after the full 7 days. Macktheknifeau (talk) 11:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
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I am submitting this deletion review on behalf of User:70mDavies. The article, which was about an Latvian footballer, was deleted at AfD and then salted against re-creation. At this time, I am just asking for the article to be unsalted; I have notified the salting admin, User:Reaper Eternal, but they have been away from Wikipedia for almost two weeks so I am going ahead and submitting this DRV. The explanation provided by User:70mDavies as to why this page should be re-created is as follows:
Hopefully 70mDavies will provide further details if requested. Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
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I am petitioning for the following titles to be unsalted: Blood on the Dance Floor (band), Blood On The Dance Floor (band), Blood on the dance floor (band) and Blood on the Dance Floor (group). The latter titles will be redirected to the first. (I realized just after starting this that the same admin salted all four titles (User:The Bushranger). I've notified him and invited him to comment here.) These titles were deleted a huge number of times in a series of pseudo-wars over this musical group's notability. (They are very popular with teenagers and are disdained by critics, so much so that the articles suffered quite a bit of abuse from both camps.) Whatever the merits of prior discussions, they are now immaterial, as the group's latest album, released a week ago, reached #42 on the Billboard 200, the US's national album chart. (source) This definitively establishes them as notable per WP:MUSIC and thereby deserving of an article. Please Unsalt these titles. Thank you. Chubbles (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
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This situation is a little unusual but I have discussed this with the admin involved and he advised me to seek your approval here. The page was proposed for deletion some months ago when I was not active on WP. The result of the discussion was to merge it into another page. Only a couple of lines of the original article was retained, but even this was not very useful content and it was merged into the wrong page, which had no relevance to its theme. (It was put into the History of astrology page, although the content concerns one of the technical branches of astrology rather than an historical development). It was whilst developing the history article that I removed this content as innapropriate and poor quality - only later realising that there was a redirect for references to this article going to the page I had worked over. Since it didn't fit that page, I made the decision to re-activate it as an individual page that could be referred to for the definition it gave. This was necessary as a quick-fix measure because so many of the pages in the astrology project link to it, and links to it are built into the project template. As an article it is one of 14 (out of 633) of the pages of that project rated as "top importance". Because of this, and wanting to put things right for the encyclopedia, I subsequently developed the page by adding to the retained content some new content with good quality sources. The first edit here, gave the content exactly as it was when I removed the text from the history of astrology page (note my comment at the top explaining what I was doing and why, following some advice here). This is how it looked after I did some development work. I am now hoping to continue with more. However, after this initialy development work was done, another editor reverted everything, saying that the page could not be developed as an article again because of the consensus to merge it in the past and the existing redirect. (I will leave a note of this discussion on his talk page) So we're left with a mess. The redirect is now going to a page that does not discuss the subject, and I've been told by the reverting editor to introduce the text onto the main astrology page instead, which is where the redirect should have gone in the first place. The problem now though, is one of future development and wanting to retain the information I have spent good time on. Mundane astrology is only one of many branches of astrology and the main astrology page doesn't detail any techniques - they are all given their own pages, as you can see here. This topic should be appearing in that list, as it is the oldest and most important of all those branches. I'm not sure if I need to make a case here for why the topic deserves a page of its own. I can do that very easily if necessary, but to keep this breif, you can see from this Google books link how many books have been written specifically about this particular subject. To clarify, the notice here says in regard to deleted articles - "If a short stub was deleted for lack of content, and you wish to create a useful article on the same subject, you can be bold and do so." This article was not deleted but is currently non-existent because there's no where obvious to point the redirect, so is there any reason why I can't redevelop the article again as a stand alone page using new text that doesn't have any of the issues attached to its former state? -- Zac Δ talk! 22:20, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
Bit of an odd one. I'm not disputing that the consensus of the discussion was to delete, I'm disputing that the correct process was followed and, as such, I think the CfD should be overturned and the deletions undone. The main reason why the I think it should be overturned is that none of the pages up for deletion were tagged, so no one who had these pages on their watchlists were aware of the discussion until the pages were actually deleted. In addition, very few of the pages up for deletion were even listed at the CfD and the discussion only talked about "Old Fooian" redirects, yet many "former students" and "alumni" redirects were deleted as well. Jenks24 (talk) 09:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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The debate plainly suggests that there was no consensus. Thus, I don't really feel that the administrator interpreted the discussion properly. Analyzing his notes and bringing here a brief of my clarifications (made in his talk page): The article is plenty of reliable sources supporting strictly each of its parts and as well the whole article; indeed there is no room in that article to OR or synth. Another of his notes was that claiming the article as pre-covered and biased; reply: As many editors clarified in the Afd, actually, in essence the article is a collection presented in the way of different historical views from reliable sources of supposed entities, which display similar qualities (i.e. ethereal: as this common adjective is grammatically defined in ordinary dictionaries; e.g. Webster, 2-Education.yahoo, Thesaurus, etc. - per WP:BLUE). In this perfect sense, there is not another article on this topic; the article is unique and valuable (remembering that its brother article "Non-physical being" is an empty stub). Besides, keeping in mind that: 1-the reasons for deletion (listed in WP:DEL-REASON) are not applicable to the deletion of the article (thus for this controversy happened the Afd); 2-Experienced editors, in fair number, defended the "keep vote" addressing the article as very good or else could it have some improvement; 3-Debate was recurrently marked by improper subjects brought up to it; non-academic reasoning; several shallow claims of policies (such as OR or synth without presenting factual evidence to support them): thus not a case was made as matter of fact. Indeed the debate remained usually at far distance of a high level discussion, in which, I speculate that may have prevented many editors from joining the discussion. But, in spite of this, it was settled anyway a clear non-consensus and therefore the expected would be the status quo applied, aka Keep. Excalibursword (talk) 03:16, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy deletion (A7: Article about a group or club, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject) was performed outside of the criteria established for such deletions. Article plainly contains statements intended to establish significance. There is no indication of falsified content or intent to mislead (credibility not in question). Admin may be conflating credibility with creditability, which is explicitly proscribed as a consideration vis-à-vis the cited tag. The criteria established for the application of A7 are further elaborated in a direct appeal to the deleting admin. Patronanejo (talk) 02:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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Was deleted a year ago due to being not notable. However, it has been mentioned a lot more in the news:
Amongst others. So it is attracting media attention. And also taking into account 35 million views on the channel. Surely this must warrant notability. 94.173.99.52 (talk) 14:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC) -->
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