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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 23:31, 12 January 2018 (UTC) [1].

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Laureus World Sports Award for Sportsman of the Year

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

We're nearly there! This one has suffered the benefit of all the preceding FLCs so I'm hopeful that there's not much to do here. Naturally I will work until my typing fingers are raw to fix any issues that are brought up, and I thank you all, each and every one, for your time and and effort in showing even the slightest interest in this candidate. Happy New Year! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Comments from BeatlesLedTV

• "Ref(s)" → "Refs"
• Link websites in refs (their first appearances) such as CNN, BBC Sport, ESPN, Reuters, etc.

Honestly all I got. Great job bringing this series to featured! Can't wait for the next one! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 15:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

BeatlesLedTV, I think I got them all. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support – Looks good to me. Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 20:11, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Ianblair23 (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

:Hi TRM. Happy New Year! I have already made some minor changes to the list so please find my comments below: Winners by sport table Formula One has won three time not two link to Rowing (sport) References Ref 8 – link Golf Digest Ref 9 – add agency = AP Ref 11 – link The Guardian Ref 12 – link Cyclingnews.com Ref 18 – link CNN Ref 35 – link The San Diego Union-Tribune Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Ianblair23 Hi Ian, all done I think, thanks for the review. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Hi TRM, thanks for making those changes. The final thing that warrants mentioning as a note is that Bolt's Olympic gold medal tally has now been reduced to eight after his 4 × 100 metre relay gold from the Beijing Games in 2008 was lost because his teammate Nesta Carter was found guilty of a doping violation. Cheers Ianblair23 (talk) 08:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Ianblair23 removed that altogether. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support Great job TRM! Looking forward to reviewing the final two to complete the series. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 22:54, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Support Comments by JennyOz

• Infobox awarded for - Laureus website now says: Awarded to the sportsman who best demonstrates supreme athletic performance and achievement - such as consecutive or multiple world, continental, international or national and major championship titles or the establishment of world records or best performances.

  Updated. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Prose

• Laurus site no longer speaks of 2000 journalists, says: "A NOMINATIONS PANEL OF THE WORLD’S LEADING SPORTS EDITORS, WRITERS AND BROADCASTERS VOTE TO CREATE A SHORTLIST OF SIX NOMINATIONS" (sorry, their caps not mine.) (And the six nominations would seem to mean 'up to six nominations'.)

  Updated, let me know it's okay as I'll need to change all the other Laureus lists accordingly. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Yep, your update is spot on. - the panel of editors, writers, broadcasters is for Sportsman, Sportswoman, Team, Breakthrough and Comeback. Action and Disability noms are by "Specialist Panels". As for the discretionaries, Lifetime, Spirit and Exceptional - they seem purely Academy decisions. (Hey, where'd Exceptional Achievement come from, brand new? (Maybe it's to recognise TRM for the upcoming set? Will be a list of one:) When you update the others, check for the select/selects too? JennyOz (talk) 07:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks JennyOz, take a look at the summary tables on Laureus World Sports Awards, they tell you about these curious new(ish) awards... not enough for their own lists, so covered in the parent article.... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, I was aware of those Discretionary awards, except for Exceptional. Somehow hadn't noticed that one before. Now, talking of Laureus World Sports Awards did you notice that Laureus have also updated their photo of the statuette? It is more colourful (the gold band is more visible) and has much better contrast. JennyOz (talk) 15:24, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Eeek, I see you've swapped the new noms panel bit to the other lists but... "As of 2017, a shortlist of six nominees for the award come from a panel composed of the "world's leading sports editors, writers and broadcasters" So sorry but it needs to be "comes". (Sportsman, Sportswoman, Team, Breakthrough, Comeback) JennyOz (talk) 15:24, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

No bother, all fixed now. I'll take a look at the new trophy image and see if I can upload it to supersede the existing fair use image. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:43, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Fabulous! JennyOz (talk) 16:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

JennyOz, you're right about that trophy image. I've replaced the existing one, it looks "right smart". Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure does! My cache finally let me see it. It's bewdiful. Thanks for doing that. JennyOz (talk) 17:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

• "The Laureus World Sports Academy then select the winner..." - selects

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

• "...while athletes have won four times..." - athletes plural sounds weird when all are Bolt, meh

  Yeah, meh... Any suggestions? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I s'pose it could say 'while an athlete has won four times' (deliciously ambiguous) but not important. JennyOz (talk) 07:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

• "... the latter being the most recent winner.[13] The 2017 winner of the Laureus World Sports Award for Sportsman of the Year was Bolt..." - repetitive?

  Yes, removed the final sentence which ...... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

• "...Bolt who won three gold medals at the 2016 Summer Olympics, taking his overall tally to nine." - The BBC ref (Aug 2016) says 9 but his article says 8 and IOC says 8 Gold. The discrepancy is the 2017 disqualification of the Beijing 2008 4x100 Jamaican team. So change to 8 and swap ref to this BBC piece of Jan 2017?

  ..... means this is no longer an issue. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Table - winners photos - all correct person winner - wlinks all good nationalities - all good

• Cycling - maybe further dab to Road bicycle racing (They are all road racers Armstrong, Contador, Evans and Wiggins.)

  Already happened. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

• Athletics is so broad, maybe pipe to Track and field or, seeing all are Bolt, to Sprint (running) (ie his events 100, 200 and 400m.)
• 2014 Vettel - is it possible to trim bottom third from his photo or use another?

  All done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Table - nominees all names, wlinks, nationalities, brackets, dashes all good

• athletics - Greene also a sprinter per Bolt
• Hicham El Guerrouj - pipe athletics to Middle-distance running
• Asafa Powell - another sprinter
• Tyson Gay - ditto
• Kenenisa Bekele - Long-distance running
• Mo Farah - Long-distance running
• Renaud Lavillenie - Pole vault
• Marc Márquez - Grand Prix motorcycle racing

  All done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Statistics mutiple titles table all good

multiple nominations (includes wins) all good tho I'd omit armstrong

• That's why the asterisk is there, isn't that enough or am I missing something? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ha! You're not 'missing something' except ability to read my mind! What I mean is that the asterisk in the main table is indicating a person whose noms and wins were retrospectively rescinded, whereas in stats/multiple noms table, the asterisks are referring to current recognised totals. Those totals exclude counting his noms and wins. By including him (and the asterisk against his name per its original use) it seems to me to re-recognise him.

For stats purposes, his noms 2002-2006 no longer exist.

(In Sportswoman, you didn't include Marion Jones in equiv stats table nor Earle Connor at Disability.)

Sorry if that is clear a mud? JennyOz (talk) 07:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

JennyOz got this one (which I missed earlier), plus the typo. Thanks!! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:45, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic! JennyOz (talk) 16:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

winners by nationality Spain noms 8 - 7

• Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

winners by sport

• winners Formula One 2 - 3
• Rowing - dab to rowing (sport) per Redgrave

  Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Refs

Rory Carroll - authorlink

• Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

That's all for me JennyOz (talk) 09:22, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Oh drat! just realised Ian addressed some of these whilst I was doing notes. JennyOz (talk) 09:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

JennyOz, I think I've addressed almost all of your concerns, a couple of comments above could use your response. Thanks again for the comments! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

As everything has been addressed and none of my follow-ups above are pertinent to my support, I am happily signing for it now. Another fine job sir. JennyOz (talk) 07:43, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Resolved comments from MWright96 (talk) 13:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

;Comments from MWright96 What do you think, should the ass of template be changed to 2018 at this point in time, or wait until after the current year's ceremony? Not sure what you're getting at here? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Think this a non-issue "was the American road cyclist Lance Armstrong." - think it should be written as to was American road cyclist Lance Armstrong for consistency Actually done it the other way around and fixed the false titles of all the others in the lead. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Very well. MWright96 (talk) 13:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC) The Ref 8 should have the date set as January 2005 Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC) As I've noted in past reviews, the author and agency for Ref 15 are missing Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC) CNN needs to be delinked in Ref 17 as it is already linked in Ref 2 Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Refs 35 & 44 are missing the agency which is Associated Press 35? That's direct from Laureus... 44 done. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC) Looks in good shape overall. As usual, not too much from me. Just the minor quibbles. MWright96 (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC) MWright96 thanks, I've raised a couple of questions against your comments but have resolved (hopefully) all the rest. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Support – Have redacted the first query. Other from that, I am more than happy to lend my unconditional support. Great work as always! MWright96 (talk) 13:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Courcelles (talk) 20:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

*"The inaugural winner of the award was the American golfer Tiger Woods who finished the 1999 season with eight wins, including the PGA Championship, a feat not achieved since 1974." What;s the actual feat here? Eight wins? Eight wins including a Major? Eight wins including specifically the PGA? Good catch, rephrased. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2018 (UTC) Should the 2003 winner field say "none", rather than Armstrong? No, that's what the asterisk and associated text in the prose are for. And it matches the format of the other articles, all of which have been considered clear enough. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2018 (UTC) "Monaco (2017)" being the location of the most recent awards needs citation. Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2018 (UTC) I'm happy with the sourcing of the article. Sources are reliable, with the one exception everything is cited I feel needs to be, and well-protected against link-rot. Courcelles (talk) 19:35, 11 January 2018 (UTC) Courcelles, thanks very much, I've responded to each comment inline. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support. Good work. Courcelles (talk) 20:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Source review pass, promoting. --PresN 17

45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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