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View of the city of Paris taken from the top of Arc de Triomphe. We can see the Champs-Elysées, the dark Montparnasse tower near the center and the Eiffel tower.

Paris seen from the Arc de Triomphe
  • Nominate and support. - Jplavoie 23:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • support: Very nice image, showing some views that so many want to see, but don't have the opportunity. --Emustonen 21:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I find these stitched, panaramic photos to be disorienting when applied to citiscapes, especially in the way the streets line up like 'W's'. The photo has great detail and a lot to recommend (though the sky could be prettier), but I can't support because of the warped perspective. SteveHopson 23:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. Some minor quality issues at maximum resolution, and it's of dubious value located in its two current articles (since it illustrates neither the Eiffel Tower nor the Arc de Triomphe particularly well). Otherwise, it's quite detailed and as interesting as many other panoramas. I agree with SteveHopson that panoramic photos are disorienting, but I don't think this shot is especially so. bcasterline t 00:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: 1)There is an important optical distortion along the second street from the left, as if there was a massive source of heat. 2)The picture does not illustrate the Arc de Triomphe at all, since it is taken from it. The Eiffel Tower is only a few pixels out of a whole panorama. IMHO, this picture should be removed from the two articles and inserted in Paris. After all that's what it is supposed to illustrate isn't it? Glaurung 06:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just realized that this picture was added to the Paris article, but removed by editors thinking the article had enough pictures already -Glaurung 06:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe that the optical distortion you see is a stitching fault. Panorama stitching software can sometimes do this, either by not aligning the images correctly, or simply because the frame itself was out of focus or motion blurred due to camera shake. Its hard to tell what has happened in this case. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 06:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak opposefor the following (fixable) reasons: The horizon is dipping slightly in the middle. Colors are somewhat murky. Also, something needs to be done about the caption - a statement about this being a 360° (?) panorama would help - otherwise someone may believe all the radial roads in Paris are parallell... ;-) --Janke | Talk 06:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment This is not a 360° panorama, it is just roughtly 180°. So, for instance, the high rises of La Defense and the Grande Arche cannot be seen - as well as 6 more streets. Mikeo 06:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If anything, this should go in the Paris article..? I saw a few stitching flaws (actually just one where two cars overlap) but I'm very impressed anyway. drumguy8800 - speak 02:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I like it, but I don't think it is good enough to be representative of anything. It lacks focus. As mentioned previously, it isn't in the Paris article, but I don't think it validly depicts either the Arc de Triomphe or Eiffel Tower. It lacks relevency to the articles. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think that the way the streets line up, make it a bit less encyclopedic. Someone who was unfamilar with panoramics might think the actaully look like that. --Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 20:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, its really boring BWF89 04:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great image. I really like the way the streets look - really interesting angle. Also nice to see the Eiffel Tower in a less cliched idylic setting. --Fir0002 www 10:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's just a bunch of buildings. It doesn't show the layout of Paris because the layout is destroyed by the perspective, and the view isn't particularly spectacular. I see the two towers poking out in the distance, but the rest is just generic and doesn't tell me anything. Night Gyr 08:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 00:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Panoramic inside view of the Panthéon, Paris. By the way, I tried to include here the link to the Pantheon article without success. If you can help...

Inside view of the Panthéon in Paris
Edit 1, centered. (added by User:Ravedave
Weak support- much improvement in centered/ cropped edition. DVD+ R/W 04:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Promoted Image:Pantheon_wider_centered.jpg Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 02:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

USS Ross
Cropped and edited

An detailed picture of USS Ross, a US Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer. Photo is used on the page USS Ross (DDG-71).

Unless you can provide some kind of reason for opposing (like bad lighting, blury angles, etc) I would ask that this vote be counted only as neutral. TomStar81 02:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 18:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Statue of Liberty replica

I think this is a good image with a very good angle. It's a replica of the Statue of Libery in Paris, France. It appears in the Statue of Liberty article.

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 11:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

File:Far side of the moon exploration.jpg
shows the Rover on the far side of Plum Crater.

Photo showing the Rover on the far side of Plum Crater.

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 11:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars

Yet another NASA image, I'm afraid, but this is elegant, beautiful, and does exactly what it says on the tin. Used in Venus, Mars and Mercury (planet).

Not promoted 7/4/1 no concensus ~ VeledanTalk 11:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Graz City Hall
Edit 1, added by Tam 09:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Edit 2, added by Fir0002 www 09:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Edit 3, perspective partly corrected, added by Tam 18:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Edit 4, perspective partly corrected (straighter), added by Tam 18:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I actually made this image by stitching together many shots using a panorama package, to obtain such a wide-angle view. Coupled with the upward lean of the perspective, this creates quite an imposing effect, which I believe to be very fitting for such an architectural work.

I've added it to the article on Graz in the English Wikipedia.

It was stitched from about 25 overlapping shots taken by a Minolta Dimage Xt using a table-top tripod, somewhere near the tele end of the zoom. Stitching was done in Hugin, using autopano and enblend. If anyone would like to know more, I'll try to dig out the original files and post exact figures.

Update: Thanks for your responses so far. Given the general consensus, I thought I'd submit a new version with the perspective 'corrected', and also a little downsampled and sharpened. I've also tried to bring the clock face out as far as possible. I still think I prefer the original perspective, though. Any further comments would still be appreciated. Tam 09:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's postively uncanny! - I'd just click the "edit" button to add my own perspective edit :-) --Fir0002 www 09:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've added two more edits, with the perspective only _partly_ corrected this time (to varying degrees). To me, the perspective in the original was perhaps a bit extreme, while the totally corrected versions (Edits 1 and 2) look unnatural to me -- 'it's just not how we perceive things', as P199 said. Edit 4 is straighter, Edit 3 has more perspective, and I think I now prefer Edit 4 the most. Any comments from anyone would still be very welcome, even at this stage. I would be interested to know what you think. Tam 18:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Neutral leaning towards oppose... It has a few minor issues. The main one is the fact that the sides of the building have a distinct inwards lean, particularly the right side. The perspective isn't great. Also, considering the fact that it is a mosaic, it doesn't seem to be very detailed and could probably benefit from a bit of noise reduction in the sky and downsampling for sharpness. Can you provide a bit more info on how you took it and stitched it? Eg, what camera/focal length, how many segments, what software you used to stitch it. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thanks for your comments. I've added some extra info on how the pic was made. As this is my first submission, I'm not quite sure what you mean in some of your suggestions. First, what do you mean by an 'inwards lean'? Do you mean that the sides of the building are not upright, or that they are somehow curved? I have experimented with correcting the former, but the result looks rather artificial at this wide focal length (rather like a purely 'architectural' photo), and I believe that the slanting edges of the building actually provide impact (although you are welcome to disagree with me ;-) Secondly, I don't understand your point about resolution/detail. This picture makes a sharp 16" x 9" print, and is rather more detailed that most of the other pictures I see here. Downsampling would not add any detail that's not there. Or are you suggesting that, when submitting to Wikipedia, I downsample the files so that they look sharp when viewed at 100% pixel-for-pixel zoom? Please let me know...
      • When I say the sides have an inward lean, I do mean they're not upright. I understand what you mean about it looking artificial when corrected for perspective, but I think it would look a little better than it currently does. And yes, I am suggesting that you downsample the image so that it looks sharp(er) when viewed at 100% zoom, but only to the point where it doesn't lose detail. I think you could safely downsample it significantly without losing detail, because it is currently quite soft. Also, when you comment, can you sign your comments with a four tildes (~~~~)? It helps to ensure that we know who is typing what exactly! Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks for the detailed answer. As a newbie, this information is invaluable to me. Tam 09:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • Not a problem. Thanks for being open to suggestion. The FPC is often a collaborative process! I personally feel that edit is a big improvement, but evidently it all comes down to a matter of opinion. I do think that if you're putting a submitting of a building on an encyclopedia then architectural accuracy is important! Another welcome improvement is the downlight in the foreground on the left hand side has been perspective corrected out of the frame. :) This is a good attempt and I'm considering supporting it now, but you do realise that a Minolta Xt isn't the ideal camera for high resolution/quality architectural works, right!? ;) Great for travel photography though. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, All of the lights are overexposed. Most notable is the clock, which can barely be made out as such. The sky is also very noisy. Cuivi énen , Friday, 28 April 2006 @ 04:11 UTC (Still opposing as the lights are still too bright Cuiviénen, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 @ 15:13 UTC).
  • Oppose due to perspective distortion, and softness left & right. Will reconsider if a straight, sharper version is provided. --Janke | Talk 06:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think the quality of light and color is good though, but I oppose due to the unnecessary perspecival distortion. DVD+ R/W 20:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC) Support edit 1 or edit 2. DVD+ R/W 14:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Perspective is good, makes it seem more imposing. Removing the perspective distortion will make it unreal. -- P199 01:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. Nice to see that someone agrees with me here ;-) I wonder, however if this is anything to do with encyclopaedic vs. artistic value. Tam 09:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, Edit 1 proves my point: it is too straight, without any perspective, just not the way we perceive things. I oppose the edited versions. -- P199 19:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, it would be a cool building to see in real life but I really wouldnt' want to see it as the featured picture if I had the choice of a more interesting building -- BWF89 04:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for Edit 1 or Edit 2. Either is an mprovement over the original. I don't completely agree with previous comment. Just as not all articles are interesting to everyone, not all FPs will be of overwhelmingly interesting and significant subjects but I think some people will be intrigued enough by this photo to learn more, and thats the purpose of a FP in my opinion. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Lovely image. Really can't see the problems everyone else seems to be having with it. I've added an edit with sharpening/perspective but it appears that Tam beat me by a matter of minutes. Have uploaded my eidt for comparison anyway. My support goes for either the original (I kinda like the perspective) or my edit. --Fir0002 www 09:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pro it was good, but edit2 would be better --Nrainer 14:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not bad at all, but the over exposure is annoying. As is the lack of sharpness in areas. chowells 21:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Tam's edit. (Fir's is squashed - the clock is oval!) Still a bit soft left & right. --Janke | Talk 12:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 1. It is the best of the pics. JQF 18:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Edit 1. - Hahnchen 21:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support - Edit 1. A good photograph. Great colours and contrast, but the composition is boring. Why on earth do people feel the need to plonk their tripod down dead centre in front of a symmetrical building? Plant it a bit to one side and give the eye something to chew on. --Surgeonsmate 08:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Edit 1 is also a bit 'boring' to me. I prefer the original, as I believe that the perspective adds interest, and draws viewers into the picture. Any thoughts on Edits 3 and 4? Tam 18:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:GrazerRathaus-edit.jpg ~ VeledanTalk 12:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lantana Invasion of abandoned citrus plantation; Moshav Sdey Hemed, Israel; May 2, 2006

I took the photo for article Invasive species, that had no illustration or image. Imho it clearly demonstrates the concept of plant invasion.

I'll try to do a better one - panorama or else. How do I remove this candidate? RickP 08:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 09:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This Litoria pearsoniana, Pearson's Tree Frog was found in Springbrook National Park, QLD, Australia. The taxonomy of this species is currently under review.
The same frog but a different angle.

I believe this image lives up to the 'Feature Picture Candidates' standards, and I am nominating it because of the lack of frog pictures that are featured pictures. This photo appears in the Pearson's Green Tree Frog article and was photographed by User:Froggydarb.

  • Nominate and support. - Froggydarb 06:15, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support, it's a beautiful specimen of a frog, technically well shot. It doesn't excite me a lot, but i'd still lend my support. —Pengo 06:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose due to the fact that the background makes it very hard to see which makes it not fp worthy in my book. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 08:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - everything the two above said. I suspect it's the profile shot which makes it a bit dull. If the frog was facing slightly towards us, it might be more interesting. But it's still a good photo. Stevage 09:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not trying to say any of you are wrong, but it isn't that dull on my monitor. On the above grayscale I can see all the circles (the 1st circle only just). Maybe your screens are not as bright as mien.
"Dull" as in boring, not as in "not bright enough" :) Stevage 10:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ooo, i seeFroggydarb 10:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Withdrawn by nominator. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 04:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclone Gafilo approaching Madagascar.

Satellite image of Cyclone Gafilo. Amongst the feature pictures, we don't have any good, straight-from-above pic of a tropical cyclone. Catarina pic is good, but we should also have a high-res feature photo from powerful cyclone showing the structure more clearly. Wikimedia Commons has similar feature pic about Hurricane Dennis, but this one is clearly better, showing great eye detail and more symmetrical spiral bands. Plus, it's a pretty pic and kinda ominous with huge cyclone next to hapless Madagascar.

Promoted Image:Cyclone_Gafilo.jpeg

Image:Orson.jpg

A picture of director Orson Welles on the set of his most famous film, Citizen Kane. The picture illustrates both articles beautifully, and is striking both in thumbnail and full-resolution form. There is some grain in the large picture; someone with better Photoshop skills than me might want to clean it up a little.

Mt Hotham Summer Scenery

I might have to take up Dschwen on his suggestion for a round the world trip. I know this is poor timing but Hotham is such a beautiful place and I like this photo.

I actually think the red pole is an integral part as to my mind they typify an alpine road. You know you're on a road where it snows when you get those red poles. But that's just my perception of it... --Fir0002 www 09:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't have known that was a snow pole (not needed in England!) but my opinion on the pic doesn't change - Adrian Pingstone 17:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, there are lots of snow poles on the high routes over the Pennines. Halsteadk 22:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I live in Bristol where we rarely see snow nowadays - Adrian Pingstone 22:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 18:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chart showing the pronunciations of the IPA.

This chart shows information on every symbol recognized by the IPA as a distinct human speech sound. This is extremely useful, well-arranged and pleasing to the eye, of high quality, and of extraordinary importance in the world of linguistics. Appears prominently in International Phonetic Alphabet. Created by User:Kwamikagami.

  • Nominate and support. - Dylan 19:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's very informative and uses a nice font, but I can't bring myself to support a boring black-and-white chart for FP. Sorry. Actually in some sense this is not even a "picture" since it looks like it was generated straight from a PDF or similar format. I might support this if it was spiced up with color and the layout was rearranged to take advantage of the fact that pictures don't have to be shaped like A4 pages. Redquark 22:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppozzzzzzzz - oops, nooded off there...--Deglr6328 00:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. LOL at previous comment. Its all been said. Informative sheet, but not a featured picture. It doesn't visually represent the article, its merely a useful reference for the article. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 01:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, It's just a black and white paper -- BWF89 01:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose That is just the kind of information that we do not want to be hidden in pictures - that is what the text in the articles is for. Mikeo 07:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Seems a bit dull to be a FP --Scott 11:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. It's very informative, and organizes the information in a way that explanatory text could not. However, as per Diliff, it's a useful reference for the article but is not useful on its own. bcasterline t 12:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose If it could be made into something an english teacher would want to laminate hang on thier wall I would support. I would say it needs to be colored up nicely and put into a wide rather than tall format. More like Image:Leaf_morphology_no_title.png. -Ravedave 17:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fierce, full blooded, ravenously oppose This is supposed to be a featured PICTURE Ben Payton
  • Oppose this is a chart.--K.C. Tang 07:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this is a chart, not a picture Leidiot 12:34, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support just to make it clear that charts and tables (such as this one) can be nominated and promoted here (we promote images here, not just pictures). BrokenSegue 21:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree charts could become featured, but I don't see this as an interesting picture. If it had historical value at least it might work.say1988 03:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - heh, I'm actually intimately familiar with this chart. Every phonetics student ends up basically memorising it. It's actually extremely well presented and contains a lot of useful information. But as a picture, it's as boring as a newspaper. Stevage 12:49, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I highly suggest you all revisit the page and look at its contribution to the page. From my understanding, it is the basis for the page itself! There are whole sections that are used to break down each individual section within the image which shows its complexity. Even if you vote against this, I hope you will not simply say no because its just a chart; boring or otherwise.--Jonthecheet 08:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, it puts some IPA characters in italics, a practice best avoided. I'm also not convinced of its copyright status: while it is not identical to the official chart of the International Phonetic Association, it is awfully close to it. Perhaps close enough to it that User:Kwamikagami does not actually have the right to release it under the GFDL, I don't know. Angr (talkcontribs) 22:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I have no problems with the image, however its not a 'picture' and will not brighten up the front page.

Not promoted

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 18:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yellow rose

Nice close up of a yellow, rose with green fringes, beautiful core pf the flower visible, it's a spike-less yelow rose.

Not promoted howcheng {chat} 18:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 18:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Abandoned shoe, Kåre Sand, Wadden Sea, Denmark

I was quite struck by this image when I first saw it on Bertilvidet's user page.

Abandoned shoe, Kåre Sand, Wadden Sea, Denmark. Photo by User:Bertilvidet

Not promoted howcheng {chat} 18:27, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 18:36, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kalmar Castle in early August sunshine
Edit of original picture, has been cropped and straightened

Not promoted howcheng {chat} 18:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sanaksarski monastery (Russia)

I think that this is a beautiful picture. It appears in the article "Monastery". My colleague created this image during our visit to this monastery.

Not promoted howcheng {chat} 18:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Cathode ray tube
  1. Electron guns
  2. Electron beams
  3. Mask for separating beams for red, green , and blue part of displayed image
  4. Phosphor layer with red, green, and blue zones
  5. Close-up of the phosphor-coated inner side of the screen
Edit 1.7 (purge cache to see) - Larger render with Photoshop fixes
  1. Electron guns
  2. Electron beams
  3. Focusing coils
  4. Deflection coils
  5. Anode connection
  6. Mask for separating beams for red, green, and blue part of displayed image
  7. Phosphor layer with red, green, and blue zones
  8. Close-up of the phosphor-coated inner side of the screen

Excellent illustration. Even includes well-commented POV-ray source.

  • Nominate and support. - ed g2stalk 13:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's a useful illustration, but has a variety of aesthetic problems. The choice of colors and textures is ugly, the composition is a little cluttered, the font used for the numbers is inappropriate and some of the edges (for example in the circle marked '5') lack antialiasing. Redquark 18:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit 1. Okay, most of my concerns were addressed. Redquark 22:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Another POV-Ray!!! I would support a higher-res version. Who wants to bust out POV-Ray and do some crazy rendering? I think the colors are fine, from what I remember of seeing inside of a CRT they are fairly accurate. -Ravedave 20:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very informative. I don't see any problem with the colors, although I share Ravedave's concern about the resolution. If someone who has POV-Ray installed would like to give it a try... -Glaurung 05:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • STRONG Oppose In addition to the (slight) aesthetic problems, there is an error in the illustration: The phosphor dots. They are actually not hexagonal, but round (made photomechanically by exposing photoresist through the mask), and also, there is a black area separating the dots from each other. As shown, even the slightest error in focus or alignment of the electron beams would cause huge color/purity errors - the black area between the dots prevents that. This needs to be fixed before proceeding. --Janke | Talk 06:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose My eyes! My eyes! It's a good informative illustration, but not a great one. --Surgeonsmate 08:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC) (Later: I've withdrawn my opposition after seeing the edits, but I still don't think it's striking enough for FP. --Surgeonsmate 07:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]
  • Support very tedious work was required for this, and the result could be slightly better with better choice of colors. That red in cross-section of tube bothers eyes, but it can be featured as is IMHO... -- Mtodorov 69 12:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
... as long as that error is fixed, i.e. add some black around round phosphor dots. That shouldn't be too much trouble, and we'd have a technically accurate image. --Janke | Talk 16:31, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I made a larger render and applied the requested changes in Photoshop (sorry, I'm not much of a POV-Ray guru - it's my first try). Of course it could be larger still, but these two renders already took the better part of a night on my lowly machine... -- grm_wnr Esc 19:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I don't mind the colors too much and it is informative. BrokenSegue 20:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for edit 1. Good enough for me, although a higher resolution render is always useful. ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The cutaway color needs to be changed. The red in the zoom makes it hard to tell that there is a cut-away in the zoom as well. Also the cutaways near the end are still bright red, when the rest are dull red. What does everyone think the cutaway color should be? I am thinking dull orange.-Ravedave 21:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • There should probably be a label on the big thing at the top which is the grounding cable I believe? I think they're usually a little smaller as well (or at least, could be for the purpose of this illustration). At the moment it looks like (3) is labelling it. ed g2stalk 22:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I am preparing a new render, with the cuts actually changed to the dull orange / light brown Ravedave suggests in the POV-Ray stage (it's necessary because the coils reflect them). I also added a label to the anode connection (per ed g2s), and another two additional ones to the two coils. It should be finished tomorrow. -- grm_wnr Esc 00:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • POV-Ray died on me just now, and I can't keep it running over night. I've uploaded a version with all the Photoshop fixes and an approximation of the new cut color, so you can comment on them while I'm sleeping ;). I'll incorporate any suggestions into a new version when I have the new render (should be tomorrow at this time at the latest) -- grm_wnr Esc 01:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, final version is uploaded. Nearly all comments have been incorporated. -- grm_wnr Esc 16:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very nice, however beam coming out of the electron gun is off. Also be sure to provide the updated POVRay source, the Edit is still pointing to the original source. -Ravedave 17:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit. This is getting better all the time. But you have my support already, since the errors are fixed. A great illustration whatever the final version will be. (PS: I don't think the "beam is off" - it's a delta configuration, not in-line.) - yes, it was off, but fixed now, I see... --Janke | Talk 17:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another small point: the blue beam doesn't seem to line up with the hole in the electron gun. ed g2stalk 18:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think the current brown color of the cutaway is too close to that of the copper deflection coils. Maybe we should find a different color. (perhaps a pale blue or gray?) Ghostofgauss 21:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Okay, fixed the beam source, and nudged the cutaway color a bit towards yellow to seperate it from the copper(grey or blue don't look good, I tried). Source is available now. Again, a cache purge is in order. -- grm_wnr Esc 22:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you also upload a label-less version? ed g2stalk 12:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support -- me again, excellent improvements, just one thing: the coil that is around the tube has a brown cross-section instead of copper one. That was red in original, too. Is that too hard to be fixed? -- Mtodorov 69 08:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Edited version. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 15:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 1.7, I like a good diagram and this is a good diagram. -- BWF89 03:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 1.7, great improvements. Just a little sad that they couldn't be worked into the povray source though. --Dschwen 11:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Most of them are by now, actually. The only really important missing one is the hexagon to round phosphor dot change, and that one would be quite difficult to do for a few reasons. Remember, the labelling / closeup compositing wasn't in the source to begin with. -- grm_wnr Esc 17:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:CRT color enhanced.png Another great example of image improvement through the FPC process. A round of applause for User:Grm wnr please:-) ~ VeledanTalk 19:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sunset at Colonia on Yap
Version #2 - modified

I saw this image quite awhile ago, and when I clicked on it, I was surprised that it wasn't a featured picture. I've now decided to nominate it, as I believe it meets all the standards. The image is currently in the Caroline Islands article and was taken by User:Marshman.

Do sunsets have to confirm to *your* idea of sunsets in order to qualify as an FP? :-P asnatu 17:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Mikeo 08:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

File:Beirut sunset(4).jpg
Pigeon's Rock, Beirut
Version #2 - modified
Lighter version adjusted

I came accross this image on Wiki Commons, and I really, really liked it. It is currently in the Beirut article, and the photo was taken by User:Bertilvidet.

  • Even the third edit doesn't have enough shadow detail! And I stick to my statment that a picture in the day-time has more value. Also, I just noticed that it's blurry. --Pharaoh Hound 21:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Mikeo 08:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Panoramic view of the Seine in Paris with St-Michel bridge on the left and Notre-Dame cathedral to the right. I believe it shows well the Seine and it's surrounding area from a pedestrian point of view.

Panoramic view of the Seine in Paris with St-Michel bridge on the left and Notre-Dame cathedral to the right
New edit: restitched to straighten Notre-Dame and eliminate part of wall

Not promoted Mikeo 08:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This panoramic view shows the restored fortified city of Carcassonne and the Pont Vieux crossing the Aude River in southern France.

The fortified city of Carcassonne and the Pont View crossing the Aude River

The bridge is indeed called "Pont vieux" which is not usual in french. I don't know the explanation for this yet. For your info also, the bridge from where the picture was taken is called "Pont neuf" which means new bridge and is the normal word order in this case. - Jplavoie 00:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Carcassonne vieux pont.jpg Mikeo 08:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Château de Chambord, in the Loire Valley, arguably France's most famous castle with 128m of facade, 440 rooms and 365 chimneys.
Yummifruitbat's downsampled version

I took this panoramic photo (4 photos stitched together), and Yummifruitbat touched it up on Picture peer review. A very similar version is used at Château de Chambord.

Strengths of this photo:

  • Detail is good (but not fantastic)
  • Subject is interesting
  • No clones :)
  • Dead straight (thanks Yummifruitbat)

Weaknesses:

  • Lighting pretty dull - was pretty much midday :(
  • Little people in centre of photo are possibly distracting.
  • There are already heaps of photos of Chambord at Commons. Not sure if that's a problem.

All your comments are very welcome. I suspect this photo isn't quite up to standard, but I look forward to learning how to make the next one better.

  • Nominate and support. - Stevage 22:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: - Excellent illustration of the Château, and for the record, much better than any of the others at Commons [5] IMHO. Yummifruitbat 22:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yummifruitbat's downsampled version, neutral on the other modifications. The quality at maximum resolution still leaves room for improvement, but otherwise I think it's a great shot. bcasterline t 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - When I did the editing, I considered downsampling so that the image was still 100% crisp at maximum resolution, but decided against it because it would mean losing detail (which would be needed if the photo was to be reproduced in print). Bear in mind the dimensions of this photo (6054x2155px) make it at least twice as large as it needs to be to meet FP standards. -Yummifruitbat 03:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Generally if it isn't sharp, you can safely downsample a bit without losing any detail, because softness usually means that there are (simply speaking) 2 pixels used to describe an object that could just as easily be described by 1. While it is certainly possible to lose detail if you downsample at an inappropriate ratio and don't check the image, I'm pretty sure there is room to do it in this image. Try downsampling to 4000 pixels wide and see if you can see any meaningful loss of detail. I tried and couldn't see any. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I like the picture, but I'm going to hold off because the image isn't in any articles yet. The key factor that distinguished between a pretty image and a featured picture is whether it's illustrative, and while I'm sure this picture could be, I can't vote in good faith for an image that no one's seen fit to include in an article yet. Night Gyr 07:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: OK, I've downsampled to 75% of the original size, and you're right, Diliff, there doesn't seem to be any noticeable loss of detail. --Yummifruitbat 16:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support nice :) Anonymous_anonymousHave a Nice Day 17:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cloned out most of the people
Cloned out all of the people
crop
  • Support Cropped, edited version. I would however like to see this picture redone. This shot is OK, but the lighting is terrible - and such a lovely subject I think can be done better. I like the colors and composition of Image:France Loir-et-Cher Chambord Chateau 03.jpg better, but the quality is pretty poor. My ideal would be something like this. I've uploaded three edits for consideration.
    • The next time I'm in the area, I'll have another crack! (not likely to happen anytime soon) I regret not trying again later in the afternoon when there was really some nice afternoon sun. I agree with everything you say basically. Stevage 14:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose retouched versions. Why the hell would anyone clone out the people? They do not obstruct the building but rather give the image a sense of scale. Again another totally unnecessary photo manipulation. --Dschwen 12:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just on personal taste, I found a couple of the people distracting (right in centre, two people taking a photo, another woman walking towards camera). I suppose I like people sitting down, or wandering around, but when they're being unaesthetic, like taking photos, I'm not sad to see them go. That said, I have no strong preference either way, I can see the arguments for or against cloning them out. Stevage 14:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for the original(not the edited version) I agree with Dschwen, the people give a sense of scale and don't distract from the subject in any way. Besides that, a very good image! --Pharaoh Hound 12:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that the retouching is unnecessary.. I don't think I can offer my support due to the bland lighting as it just doesn't do it for me. If anything, as far as a crop goes, I would prefer a little taken away from the foreground lawn and a little from the left and right edge of the frame, but keeping the proportions the same. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 13:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yummifruitbat's cropped version
  • Yet another edit - Not a big fan of Fir0002's edits I'm afraid, the sky looks artificial and I agree with Dschwen about unnecessarily removing the people when they're not obstructing the subject. If the activities of the people in the shot are 'unaesthetic' then presumably we should say the same about the photographer on the bridge in Carcassonne? I think Diliff's suggestion about the crop has merit and have tried a version with the same proportions. --Yummifruitbat 19:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well I guess it's a matter of personal taste, but to my mind a sky without completely burnt out details is less realistic to one which has them partially recovered. Also I find that the original has a blue caste which has also been correct in my edit. But obviously the edits were just there to give people choice, and you are free to make yours (choice that is) --Fir0002 www 11:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Promoted Image:PanoChambord2 yfb edit3 downsampled.jpg ~ VeledanTalk 08:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This image has now been re-uploaded entitled Chambord_pano.jpg for snappiness :) --Yummifruitbat 09:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
File:MennekensF105KR.jpg
Later winner Kimi Räikkönen during the free practice of the 2005 Belgian Grand Prix Formula One.

I have nominated this picture, made by myself (Nicki Mennekens), because I have noticed that there are not many motorsport related featured images. The image up for vote appears in the article Belgian Grand Prix.

Not promoted Mikeo 09:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vegie and white cheese salad
Cropped version

Nice, appetizing image.

  • Weak Support of both versions. Much improved. The "salad platter" looks fake (for some odd reason), however it probably is more encyclopedic. I like the close-up view of the cropped one, but it may be too close cut, and the distracting elements -though mush less visible- are still there. --Pharaoh Hound 13:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've uploaded a cropped version. If you want to see other versions: Image:Salad platter.jpg, Image:Cold meat salad.jpg --Fir0002 www 23:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The cropped version is difficult to put into perspective because it's so cut off. I'd say Image:Salad platter.jpg is the most encyclopedic. bcasterline t 23:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the totally uncropped version. Not sure why you were trying to keep the bread out of the original one :) Stevage 09:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh there're two different shots (obviously of the same thing). I just perfered to close up one. I don't know why but I'm really partial to that white "clean" look which I think the first one really has. To my mind it's a nearly perfect stock shot. But that's just me :-) --Fir0002 www 09:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Salad platter

Comment I've rearranged the nom like this. Hope nobody minds... --Fir0002 www 11:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Full-size, the photo looks rather unremarkable. I think it's the lighting. The angle of the plate is also offputting, but as I don't think it's FP-standard, I'm not experimenting. BigBlueFish 21:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The white background makes this photo look too artificial even though the plate itself looks good. I think that having a plate out of context is not very encyclopedic-- not a good explanation of the purpose of salad (i.e. to be eaten) Bonus Onus 22:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all versions. Uninteresting subject photographed as if for advertising purposes. It's nice enough, but this looks like something out of an upscale supermarket circular. Mooveeguy 17:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Um why exacatly is it a problem that it looks like an "upscale supermarket circular". I would have thought that a good thing. Certainly I can't see it as a valid reason for opposing. --Fir0002 www 07:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Have replaced original nomination in the page with Image:Salad platter.jpg --Fir0002 www 09:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Closing comment: splitting up the vote like that halfway through really did not help me make the closing count! Some of the oppose votes left above the line, I judge as being equally applicable to the final version too (Adrian's, for example). With hindsight, I think it would have been better to start a new nom, or just to leave all versions in a single section — those of us who close these regularly are used to having to tot up support for differing versions. Anyway, gripe over with, the second vote passes 14/6 even if we still count Adrian's and chowells' opposes. I discounted ragesoss's oppose which obviously only applied to the original crop ~ VeledanTalk 10:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Salad platter.jpg ~ VeledanTalk 10:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blank map of India

This is an unusal nomination. I'm not nominating it for looks but rather functionality. The colours are standardised as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps, so I can't change that. My reasons for nominating are for:

  1. Highest resolution image available, (drawn to scale) on the internet: (1486x1734 px) + SVG
  2. Most comprehensive NPOV map available on the internet. Shows the following disputed areas by way of shading and borders:
    • Kashmir: Pakistan-administered (Indian-claimed), Indian-administered (Pakistan claimed), Chinese-administered (Indian-claimed), area ceded to China by Pakistan (Indian claimed).
    • Arunachal Pradesh: Claimed by China, administered by India
    • Additional Western sector claims/administration by China in the states of Himachal Pradesh and Uttranchal. No India map on the internet has such a level of detail covered.

Note: I've compiled the map from 4 sources. I believe that the map will go a long way as a base for the long standing demand for NPOV India maps. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I haven't tried this, so just a suggestion, but could you simply make the orange colour a bit darker, and the yellow perhaps slightly lighter, so as to widen the gradient? At the moment the orange particularly seems fairly pale, although I agree about not making it too 'flashy' :) --Yummifruitbat 16:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support edited version - much clearer. Thanks for clearing up my concerns about copyright, too :) --Yummifruitbat 11:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No probs :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Promoted Image:India-locator-map-blank.svg (+23 / -8) While I did factor in the vote (74% in favor), due to Veledan's concerns of (unintentional) vote stacking I also considered the arguments of those in favor of promotion and against. "It's just a map" is not really a legitimate objection, nor one which can be addressed; another "oppose" vote was too vague to be addressed; and the concerns of two other "oppose" votes were addressed. Others opposed cited WP:WIAFP criteria #5 and #7. I find its usefulness (#5) as a locator map difficult to dispute. And since the subject of this image is India's profile and regional divisions, not India itself, I don't see that it fails #7.

Ultimately, I'm not convinced that this image falls far short of any of the criteria, if it falls short at all. So, with a significant majority of voters in favor, I'm promoting it. -- bcasterlinetalk 17:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tulip, 2005 Floriade, Canberra

A tough subject to get through FPC, but I think this pic has got it.

  • Nominate and Support --Fir0002 www 07:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. You're right, that is a tough subject to get through. Anything subject that simple has to really stand out to get the votes here. I do like it and I'm not entirely sure how it could be improved.. Perhaps better framing, with no tulips in the background cut out of the frame. Perhaps a more vertical crop. I'm not sure. :) I'll keep an open mind. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that's all of the shot I've got to work with. This pic wasn't taken by me but a friend, and that was all he took. --Fir0002 www 10:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
User has only 12 edits, half of which are on FPC --Fir0002 www 11:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Dante. Would have more value it it showed an entire plant and the inside of the flower pod. Plus I do find the pic neither striking nor does it make me want to read the article. --Dschwen 11:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. BigBlueFish 21:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because of the beauty of it.(24.207.90.78 23:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC))[reply]
  • Support Tobyk777 05:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Lovely. Mooveeguy 17:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Tip-toe through the tulips... TomStar81 01:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Colours and overall picture are beautiful here. One of the things I really liked about this picture, and that IMO makes it FP worthy rather than just a nice picture, is that the focus tulip is in classic tulip shape, but the near background includes various stages of tulips budding, as well as flowers now slightly beyond this stage and opening out, along with the leaves of the plant, thus illustrating various stages in the lifecycle of this plant in one photo. In response to members above that want to see the inside of the flower, please remember it's a tulip, you're not meant to see the inside (at least of this variety) unless you want it dissected or well past this ‘classic’ stage. Have to be upfront about possible bias - it's my photo, which Fir0002 uploaded and nominated for me. --jjron 13:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A lovely picture and good for tulip too, despite that fact the article's a bit of a gallery already. I disagree that a shot showing the inside would be more encyclopedic - yes have a pic of the innards in the article too, but this angle is more iconic for tulips ~ VeledanTalk 20:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Tulipa suaveolens floriade to Canberra.jpg ~ VeledanTalk 18:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Circular crop fields in Kansas

NASA ASTER image of circular crop fields in Haskell County, Kansas from June 2001. I like the geometric patterns and it's a unique perspective on how fields look. Used in Center pivot irrigation, Ogallala Aquifer, Agriculture, Crop rotation, and Agriculture in the United States.

  • Nominate and support. - howcheng {chat} 17:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Clear, sharp, lots of detail, and very encyclopedic. SteveHopson 17:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very abstract image, but gets your attention and makes you want to learn more about it. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Superb. Very interesting perspective, excellent resolution. --Pharaoh Hound 18:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, preferably unstraightened original. Great addition. Has the color saturation been increased? bcasterline t 19:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not by me. It doesn't say anything on the source page, so my assumption is no (if any modifications have been made, it usually says so). The ASTER page doesn't have any information about it either. howcheng {chat} 20:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • My guess is that it has been modified, or at least, that is not a natural representation of the colour. A quick look at Google Earth will quickly show you that there is a vast variance in the quality of the imagery. Some satellite imagery isn't even visible colour but rather based on the amount of reflectivity. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • The latter is more likely. Considering ASTER stands for "Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer" it's probably not a natural-color image. howcheng {chat} 21:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • However, our own article on ASTER states that it takes visible spectrum images too, and since NASA makes several references to the color without any mention of it being false color, this is probably actually the real colors, and we should not presume otherwise. Night Gyr 22:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment strangely, I would actually prefer a cropped version, especially to appear on the main page. You can't actually make any detail out in that thumbnail. Perhaps by cropping it you could at least see the circles and get an idea. Two questions not answered on the image page: What orientation does the image have (is there some reason not to "straighten it" from its current ~10° slant to the left)? Also, what is the road(?) running through the image? Stevage 20:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Unfortunately, that information is not available in the source page. howcheng {chat} 20:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think that is going to help. There have been situations where I've wished that there was a way of allowing a cropped thumbnail to link directly to a full sized image but in this case, I think you just have to accept that it looks abstract and click on the thumbnail to see it at 100%. It wouldn't be any more recognisable when cropped anyhow. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - These are fascinating, particularly if you've ever used GoogleEarth to see how much of Kansas is covered by them. Really makes you think about the demand that feeding the Western world places on its environments. A quick GE of the coordinates shows that the road is Highway 56 which runs 640 miles from Springer, New Mexico to Kansas City, Missouri. --Yummifruitbat 21:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Also, there's no obvious reason for the orientation of the image as the grid of circles runs N-S/W-E with remarkable precision. --Yummifruitbat 21:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(getting horribly addicted to GoogleEarth!) - The two settlements alongside the Highway are the small towns of (lower left) Sublette and (upper right) Copeland.
So then the only possible explanations I can come up with for the tilt are (1) that's how the satellite was oriented, or (2) it was an artistic choice by the NASA person who processed the image. howcheng {chat} 22:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Straightened/cropped version
It's (1), see below. Stevage 11:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edited version - I've uploaded a straightened and cropped edit as the rotated version is misleading IMO. One of the interesting features of this landscape is the meticulous geometric arrangement. --Yummifruitbat 23:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Original, Oppose edited. Straightening the image just makes it look unnatural, I think. The grid is easy to see even angled, and it feels more like reality when things haven't been messed around with just for the sake of perfect alignment. I think the rotated version is more misleading, because it implies that the satellite lines its images up perfectly with the crop grid. Night Gyr 00:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is unnatural, and the perfect alignment is part of what makes it interesting. When the fields were originally created, they were laid out on a measured North-South, West-East, 0.5- and 1-mile grid. Presenting the image at an angle suggests that they were arbitrarily oriented - isn't that a bit like drawing a map of the Americas with Canada in the bottom right hand corner? --Yummifruitbat 00:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's a picture, not a map, and I think we can trust our readers to know that. I've been on cross-country flights before, and seen the pattern, so I know how it runs, and it seems more natural to me for a picture of the pattern to not align perfectly, since even the satellite isn't seeing it straight on. This picture is not a map. The change is more comparable to taking a picture like the blue marble and spinning it to line up with a map--completely unnecessary, insulting to our readers' intelligence, and distorting the compositional appeal of the original. Night Gyr 03:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with putting "the original" on a pedestal in that way. The original rotation was totally arbitrary anyway. Why not rotate it to 45 degrees, 37 degrees, or 344? If you find the roughly 10 degrees to the left more appealing than ramrod-straight, then that's one thing. But considering 0 degrees (the apparently "true" alignment) to be "arbitrary" and the 10 degrees left to be more canonical is, well, very arbitrary indeed. Stevage 08:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I do find the original more appealing, and I don't like the rotation because it takes away everything about the image that distingushes it from a generic satellite photo or map. There are plenty of places out there that can show you the precise north/south grid, but I feel like showing it at an angle makes it feel less like a map and reminds you that you're looking at a photograph rather than a drawing. Night Gyr 08:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Google earth can show you the same location here Night Gyr 04:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is a generic satellite photo, but it's the subject that distinguishes it, not the 10º rotation which adds nothing to the encyclopaedic nature of the image. You may have been lucky enough to fly over this scene but the vast majority of readers/viewers will not have, nor can one assume that they will have found the circles using GoogleEarth and happen to have had the Lat/Long overlay switched on at the time. Straightening the image increases its informational content - this is supposed to be an encyclopaedia after all. Should we refrain from straightening, say, a landscape nominated for FP with the horizon tilted 10º because the photographer's tripod was lopsided? --Yummifruitbat 11:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't really add to the informational content. Why would a straightened image lead the viewer to assume that the fields themselves were straightened along a grid? Personally, I don't think I would ever make that assumption. It would need to be stated somewhere (the caption, for example), which would be equally necessary for both versions. Fitting to a grid is different than leveling a horizon. bcasterline t 12:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good idea to include that information in the caption. Perhaps my choice of phrasing was poor above - straightening it doesn't really increase its informational content, but IMO rotating it by an arbitrary 10º reduces the information conveyed because then the rotation becomes a feature of the image, even though it is of no real relevance to the content. Lots of images (eg. of buildings) are either opposed on FPC or edited, because walls aren't perfectly vertical or exhibit perspective distortion. It strikes me as a case of double standards, then, to say that rotating it to align a clear North-South grid with North is "insulting to our readers' intelligence". --Yummifruitbat 13:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe there is a double-standard (although I don't myself oppose the straightened version). But nature shots, except where there is a visible horizon, aren't always straightened with relation to anything in the picture -- see Image:Tulip - floriade canberra.jpg below, for example. The focus of this image is the crop fields, not the gridding of Kansas. And, as a matter of personal preference, I find them more interesting when not perfectly aligned in a square. bcasterline t 14:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well put, I can see your point. From a purely aesthetic point of view I quite like the angled shot, but I personally think the straightened one is more encyclopaedic. --Yummifruitbat 14:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support original, support edit, and I would strongly support an edited version that lined up the edges of the image and the edges of the outer crop circles. It just looks more striking when perfectly north-south and east-west. Cuiviénen (talkcontribs), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 @ 01:29 UTC
I had a go a this but it didn't look all that great as the pattern doesn't line up perfectly all the way along. I think there's either some distortion in the corners (which I tried to correct but couldn't) or the guy with the measuring tape had been in the sun too long... --Yummifruitbat 11:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Vote for your favourite angle

[edit]

Since the rotation of the above image is totally arbitrary, I propose we vote on which way to rotate it for the final image. Consider that 0 degrees is the straightened version above, and -10° degrees is the version as originally nominated. If your preferred angle is not included, feel free to add it in the list where it fits. If you oppose the image, please say so above this section.

  • 0° (straightened)
    • Comment: I support either versions,but I think it would be more encyclopedic to represent it in its conventional orientation with the North pointing upwards. The original picture has a totally arbitrary orientation, and even if it just looks nicer, Wikipedia is primarily an encyclopedy and not an art gallery. Glaurung 06:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • IMHO, the best thing to do would be to present the angled version as the FPC, but probably use the straightened one in the actual article, but I suspect that would be against the spirit of FPC. There is obviously an inherent conflict between what is aesthetically pleasing ("striking", "best work") and what is encyclopaedically useful. A simple example is that often heavily cropped versions or even details of pictures are more useful for actual articles, whereas a full, uncropped image would be better as an artwork. Stevage 14:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • -10° (original)
Local magnetic north for that region would be 7.7 degrees from true north according to NGDC. What's 'global north'? --Yummifruitbat 03:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Global north is apparently what I say when I forget the term "true north". ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk 05:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
North is up. --Yummifruitbat 02:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea - it'll be interesting to see what other details about the image they can give us. Even if there's no reason for the rotation, I'll go with the consensus and support the original as this image deserves to be FP in one form or another. --Yummifruitbat 16:50, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No response as of yet. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Response from NASA. Details below. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NASA Response

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I had sent an email querying the ASTER team as to some details about the image. They graciously responded and answered all the questions:

I can answer your questions:
1) the image is aligned with the satellite orbital track, which is in a 98
degree tilted orbit. North is not "up". Rotate the image about 10 degrees
clockwise to align the roads north-south.
2) The image is a false-color presentation made to simulate natural color.
The 3 bands that were used are in the green, red, and near infrared parts of
the spectrum. ASTER does not have a blue channel, so we have to create one
from the other bands.
Michael Abrams
ASTER Science Team Leader
NASA/Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Now that we know the reason for the tilt, people may be more comfortable deciding which tilt they prefer. Also, we should add the bit about false-color to the picture summary. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. howcheng {chat} 20:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good work Dante, interesting to hear about the false colour. --Yummifruitbat 23:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for doing that. Interesting that my original hypothesis about the arbitrary angle is essentially true - it's basically akin to looking out of a plane, pointing straight down, and taking that angle as gospel. However, the fact that it's false colour really wrecks it for me. It's now little more than a computer generated image of some geographical data. Along with an arbitrary angle, we have arbitrary colours. Hmm. Stevage 11:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, not precisely... I mean, the green and red channels are real data via visible light, presumably... given that they also have infrared data, and they probably have other data from the Terra satellite (or other satellites), they can probably do a lot more than "guess" at the blue channel. I'd say that rather than "false color", we might want to call the image "adjusted color" or something like that. The base image is still real visible data. As for taking the angle as "gospel", it's not so much that, it's just that that's what the satellite really "saw"... so why bother altering it? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 14:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, when someone takes a wonky photo of a building, we straighten it. But yeah, we've talked about the issues of straightening this image for long enough, and most people prefer the unstraightened version. Stevage 18:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original. The "false" color are common in satellite images - scientifically, there's less use for a blue channel. But, it is entirely possible to create a "synthetic blue", as is (was) done with blue-screen special effects filmig, so I'd say the colors actually look pretty natural. --Janke | Talk 18:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Crops Kansas AST 20010624.jpg ~ VeledanTalk 19:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon Storm. Photo taken by Cassini spacecraft.

Recently found pic, illustrating the so-called Dragon Storm on Saturn. Slightly corrected by me in Microsoft Office Picture Manager.

  • Nominate and support. - Brand спойт 21:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support couldn't it be cropped more? Also, slightly grainy. Beautiful otherwise. --Pharaoh Hound 23:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. Certainly a unique shot, but the false color looks strange. The original black and white might be better, but, looking briefly at the NASA source for this image, I didn't see any link to it. bcasterline t 00:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose barely scrapes in resolution wise, but it's simply not "striking" enough. Maybe I've seen too many astronomy pics. It's also not that great "encyclopaedically" - where exactly is the storm? Is it that white streak about half way up the image? Lastly, the colours are, um, unconventional - the fluorescent blue of the rings is slightly disturbing. Overall, it's not awful in any of the FPC categories, but it's not stunning in any of them either. For a NASA shot, we should be a bit more picky. Stevage 08:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Agree with Stevage here. Colours seem a bit oversaturated and we have to be pretty picky with NASA shots. The article that it represents is rather lacking in information, too. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. While I agree that it's not really on par (quality-wise) with other NASA shots, this is a unique shot of an event that we have no other way of illustrating. I don't know if that should outweigh the "issues" with the image, but it potentially could (look back at some of our other FPs that are "low-quality" but "important", like this one). --Dante Alighieri | Talk 16:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the planet's border and the lower ring are oversaturated, meanwhile I didn't see Dragon Storm images in natural colours, web-based at least. --Brand спойт 18:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 21:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flamingo as featured on bird

I'm concerned that the bird article should have an FP. This is the current picture on the page. Please let me know if it's good to keep! Photographer is one Aaron Logan, uploaded to Commons by Solipsist.

  • OK, it turns out, User:TestPilot change the photo, doesn't give a reason. Oh and I Oppose. It is beautiful, but the size, and detail, are lacking. Also, the cropping could be better. If you are concerned about not having a featured bird photo for the article, you could re-add mine, or use one of the many bird photos in WP:FP. They are a popular subject. --liquidGhoul 11:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason was to inspire kids with a picture of nice looking/non ordinary bird. Y kids? Look at amount of vandalism on this article - kids clearly generete a lot of trafic for this article. As to nomination - I Oppose, as of low res. TestPilot 07:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, the birds are differant species. The subject is a Greater Flamingo, while the other is a Lesser Flamingo (flamingos, of any species, are not sexually dimorphic). --Pharaoh Hound 23:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Ravedave 02:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monastery of St. Nilus on Stolbnyi Island in Lake Seliger near Ostashkov, ca. 1910
Edit 1 by jjron
Edit 2

A spectacular and beautiful photograph. This picture appears prominently in monastery. It was uploaded by user:EASports.

Please note I have uploaded a far higher resolution version. Please reconsider your vote. chowells 04:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose Leaning to the right, surely? *Support - Adrian Pingstone 18:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please note I have uploaded a far higher resolution version. Please reconsider your vote. chowells 04:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Changing to support for the huge version. Suggestion: could this illustrate an article on the technique used to colour it as well as the monastery article? I remember thinking when I opposed it before that I might have supported it in that context ~ VeledanTalk 07:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Wow! That is an amazing picture. Mr. Turcottetalk 21:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fantastic, now that the resolution is up to par. Beautiful composition and colors. This is from like 1910, people!--Zambaretzu 00:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original high res image only. This is a sufficiently high res image and of historical significance. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. I oppose the edits because this image is historical and the photo in its entirety is of equal or perhaps even greater significance than the view it portrays. It would be wrong to crop the Mona Lisa in an effort to improve its composition, for example. ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the high res version, it's lovely. Note significant colour misalignment at the bottom, but presumably an artefact of the very old technology. Aesthetically pleasing, encyclopaedic, historically significant photo of an interesting subject in a high res image - how can we say no? Stevage 11:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'Note significant colour misalignment at the bottom' that's because three separate exposures of the image were taken of the red, green and blue components, and the water was moving, so they don't match up precisely. A very fascinating process. chowells 22:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 1. Fantastic pic of the building, especially given its historical value, but I don't like all that gunk in the foreground. Also the file size is way too big (remember lots of people are still only on dialup). I have uploaded an edited version of this pic which gets rid of the bottom part and also removed a lot of the artefacts through downsampling. --jjron 04:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it's depriving those that want it of the highest quality images. There are *already* smaller versions for dialup users automatically generated by mediawiki from the largest version. chowells 11:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • On that argument you should be uploading everything as RAW, or at least TIFF files, so we can all get the highest quality. It's nonsense. The whole point of using jpg is to save file size, you always lose quality. There's no reason for a jpg photo of those dimensions to be over 8MB. --jjron 13:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I would upload TIFFs if possible. Images scanned from my scanner are archived as TIFFs, and images from my camera are RAWs, and then developed into TIFFs, before being archived. Of course I make low quality resolution JPEGs for previewing. chowells 13:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fully agree with jjron on this issue. Broadband users mainly are unaware what it's like to have a slow connection. And chowells, Mediawiki does an OK job, but it gives a imaget that is a direct ratio of the original file size. For instance an image which is about 500kb and is reduced from 1600x1200 to screen size by media wiki, loads up heaps quicker than the same image resized from an 8mb image. A more dramatic example is uncompressed PNG's such as this. It takes an age to load. Not to mention the fact that we (dialup users) want to see something that is full screen as well you know! Not just an image in a website. --Fir0002 www 09:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually I used dialup for many many many years, and I still use dialup or GPRS on a frequent basis. Fix MediaWiki if it bothers you; don't deprive those in the future of large images by fixing the symptoms. chowells 13:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • We are not just being selfish or pernickety dialup users who want to deprive you of your big pictures. There are other considerations. Remember chowells that you are an expert user. As a teacher and network admin, I deal everyday with kids, and adults for that matter, who are fumbling around and don't really know what they're doing. I direct them to Wikipedia as a great resource, but they don't realise that clicking on that one link for this big 8MB photo will cost them a tenth of their default internet access for the year, and what's more, they shouldn't have to. Now, surely isn't one of the key target groups for Wikipedia students and the education market? (And please no one give some flippant comment about 'why don't I teach them to use it properly' - multiply my experience by a worldwide audience of people that don't want to think or know about the details of how it works; they just want to use it.) I reiterate my earlier argument with some added detail - if we are the experts, we should be making it user friendly whilst maintaining quality. The general principles that myself and Fir0002 are espousing are attempting to find that balance. If we fail to do that then I think we have lost sight of the purpose of this project. And if you still don't want to consider the 'average' user who doesn't understand all the computer technicalities, and dialup users, then consider Wikimedia itself; if we all start uploading everything as 10 or 20MB files...well I shouldn't need to spell out what effect that would have on either loss of functionality or blowing out their hardware and bandwidth needs and therefore costs to cope with the sudden surge in demand. Perhaps if you really want photos at that high quality you should be getting them from specialist photographic websites. --jjron 16:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Either of the two edits. Has a great fairy tale quality to it. Have uploaded another edit for consideration. --Fir0002 www 08:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support any. Since this is a historical photograph, it would be nice if those who made edits could explain on the image description pages exactly what processing was done (cropping, color adjustments, etc.).--Eloquence* 09:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Prokudin-Gorskii-09-edit2.jpg Ravedave 03:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Prothonotary warbler perched on a tree branch.
Edit 1 - Removed most of the noise
Edit 2 - Diliff's slightly better job of removing the noise and better (lower) compression to maximise detail. Less JPEG artifacts
Tags completely removed

The bird itself has a very striking coloration, especially for a non-tropical bird, and this image captures the bright coloration very well in a high-resolution profile. Comparable to Image:Sitta-carolinensis-001 edit.jpg, a current featured picture of similar size and quality (but of a different bird). It appears in Prothonotary warbler and List of Kansas birds and was taken by User:Mdf.

  • Support. Excellent photograph. - Samsara (talkcontribs) 11:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The grey background to the right is very noisy, or has dithering artefacts or something. Can someone with some expertise tell me what's going on there, and whether it can be fixed? Stevage 11:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support My original edit. Diliff's version has lost detail through his noise reduction on the beak. Also I think the tail is sharper on mine. I don't think that the removal of the tags was necessary, so I don't have a preference for my second edit. Sensational Picture. We really need to nominate more pix of Mdf's as they are all really good (Canon 1DS Mark II !)--Fir0002 www 11:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Better, but now there seem to be a lot of JPEG artefacts in the background? I know, I'm never happy. :) Agree that Mdf's stuff is great. Stevage 14:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I really don't think there is any detail lost in the beak. There is a tiny amount of texture (which could in all honestly have been noise - its difficult to tell) lost but not any real detail lost. Its not worth worrying about but I personally think the nasty artifacts introduced by the poor compression levels in edit 1 outweigh it. Its probably a bit late in the process to introduce a third image with the beak more excluded from noise reduction though. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fir's edit but Oppose any with bands removed. I actually think the dull background helps the image as it serves to highlight the bird's bright colouration... but although cloning out the rings is very impressive, I don't see what makes it necessary in an encyclopaedia. --Yummifruitbat 11:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Beautiful picture. Iorek85 12:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. - Mgm|(talk) 12:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, even with minor background blemishes. Great photo. I suspect photos like these are under-appreciated because we're so used to seeing them taken by professionals. When Wikipedians take them, we should give them the respect they deserve. Stevage 14:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I suspect that this guy is no armchair amateur - the camera used to take it is worth $USD8000-10000! I know that doesn't automatically mean professional, because there are plenty of rich retired birdwatchers! ;) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. It's either a captive bird or being studied for something (note the leg tag)... I'd prefer that it didn't have that, but I'm not sure it's worth opposing over it. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 15:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Often, birds are simply tagged and then released in order to track migrations. I think almost a quarter of all birds in the US are currently tagged that way. Cuiviénen (talkcontribs), Thursday, 11 May 2006 @ 15:55 UTC
    Interesting, we have two extremes: those who want all photographs to come from zoos, ideally with the cage's caption so we can be sure it's really that bird (not original research), and those that want the photos to be totally natural and thus not have tags or look as though the animal is caged. I have no opinion. Stevage 17:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 1 or 2. Flip this upside down and you almost have today's featured picture. howcheng {chat} 19:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for edit 2 as a preference. It sucks to waste a Canon 1Ds Mk II's resolution on a 1024x1024 image. Perhaps he can upload a higher res version. Excellent image, though. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 20:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support. Beautiful! Superb resolution, good detail, nice saturation. --Pharaoh Hound 00:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support. I was looking for high quality photos of this species, and lo and behold, here's the wikipedia image! Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 17:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Nic pic but it's a pity about the ankle rings. Stevage, I'm not sure which nomination you are referring to, but you won't find many examples of your first extreme. In my experience images are far more likely to fail for looking unnatural/in a zoo ~ VeledanTalk 21:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not on FPC, but there are *some* people who think that photos without proof of what it is are OR. Anyway. Stevage 18:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Have a look and see you what you think... --Fir0002 www 09:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Magic. I have a strong preference for Fir002's version. Stevage 18:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Metal ring removed
Green tag removed
Which original, surely not with the noisy background? Stevage 18:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose altered versions. Generally I don't mind alterations in illustrations to enhance their illustrative power, but by removing the tag on the bird we actually make the image less informative. Neutral on the image overall. It's a nice photograph and I'm glad we have it, just not sure it's the best we have to offer. --Gmaxwell 21:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you elaborate on "less informative"? I'm keen to understand the arguments of those violently opposed to touching up images to remove such artefacts. One concern I have is that if you had not seen the original, you almost certainly wouldn't have detected the change, or complained about it etc. Should we not judge the end result, not the process at which it was arrived at? Stevage 07:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "tag removed" version (neutral on other versions). Great job removing the tag, but it doesn't go down well with me either. —Pengo 07:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Fir0002's Edit 1. The bird is great, but the background is bland, which is why only weak support. Edit 1 is definitely the best, far sharper in beak detail and back/tail feathers than Edit 2. Removal of the bands is unnecessary - strong preference for leaving them in. --jjron 08:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fourth Image Support Fourth Image I like the one without the green tag. Black and White (TALKCONTRIBS) 20:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 1, Oppose "tag removed" version. Edit 1 is the best to me, and removing the tag makes that area look off. Not enough leg to work with I think. JQF 20:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Protonotaria-citrea-002 edit 2.jpg Ravedave 03:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Protonotaria-citrea-002 edit.jpg. As per discussion on Wikipedia FPC talk page --Fir0002 www 10:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


This frog is a Dainty Green Tree Frog (Litoria gracilenta) .

This image appears on the Dainty Green Tree Frog page and was taken by User:Froggydarb

I wondered - it *looks* closed though. Awkward. Stevage 11:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that photo was taken in the day believe it or not.Froggydarb 12:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Does that species of frog even have eyelids (I don't know about frogs, however I know that many species of herps don't)? --Pharaoh Hound 17:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The problem with using natural lighting is when you photograph a frog you want to have the highest shutter speed possible so no blurring occurs, when you take a photo with natural light even when it is a very bright day you will have to drop the shutter speed so that the picture isn't under exposed, this will usually cause blurring on the image, I could use a tripod but most of the time when you are taking frog pictures, either the ground is too bumpy or the frog is in a place where you can't use a tripod, eg you want to take a photo of the side of a frog and it is on the ground. If you used a tripod you would be taking a picture of the top of the frog. Froggydarb 23:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fwiw, my tripod can take photos about 5cm off the ground. Of course, its maximum height is only 20cm, so I wouldn't recommend it as your *only* tripod :) You have my sympathies though. Stevage 18:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say they could be confused, but the leaf is certainly distracting being the same colour and right behind the frog. Stevage 18:06, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 14:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Celosia cristata (yellow toreador)
Edit 1: Cropped version

It shows the flower with details. I particularly like the focus on the object. Furthermore, the "development cycle" of the species is observable at the background. (are you guys buying that?) One possible problem is that the main subject is not at the center. Tried to get some help at peer review but nobody's there.

Also placed at page Celosia. The page itself needs lots of work but I sincerely believe the photo illustrates the page's subject well.


  • Support. A good photo. Very nice celosia, I'm not familiar with the cristata type, my family only grows plumosa, but this makes me more interested. It could be cropped a bit more. --Pharaoh Hound 16:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support the Cropped version. Great, I'm happy with it! --Pharaoh Hound 17:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about the cropped version? Is it better? __earth (Talk) 10:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hmm, it's still not up to FP standards IMHO. Now I think it needs a shallower depth of field (yeah, I'm inconsistent). Good try, though. The subject matter is intriguing so maybe you can play around with the angles and depths of focus and see if you can't come up with something better. howcheng {chat} 07:01, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 14:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Ford Parkway Bridge (Intercity Bridge)

This is a picture of the Ford Parkway Bridge (Intercity Bridge) from the Intercity Bridge article. It was taken by User:Jayann.

  • Nominate and support. - Jay Ann 00:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
  • sadly the image has been compressed to hell. why do people do this? really. what's another 2 megabytes?--Deglr6328 07:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Actually I disagree with the previous comments. There are no signs, as far as I can see, that this image has been over-compressed. ~2mb is the typical output size for a 5 megapixel Sony DSC-H1. Check the sample pictures from DPreview here [8]. There are little to no JPEG artifacts. What artifacts are there are mainly due to the fact that this image was taken at ISO 200, which is reasonably high for a P&S digital camera. Typically, the camera will run an internal noise reduction algorithm that degrades detail and I think this is what you may have been refering to. That said, I think its the conversion to black and white that does little for this image. B&W may have some artistic value occasionally, but I don't think it helps an image that is supposed to be describing a current landmark. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Agree with Diliff. There is no need to use B&W here. The ugly house in the background is also rather distracting. Perspective could also be better, as the bridge cannot be seen completely. Mikeo 12:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's just some random bridge. And the picture is in black & white -- BWF89 12:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not the importance of the subject that matters, it's the ability of the picture to illustrate the subject. --BRIAN0918 16:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • But if the photo doesn't illustrate the subject properly then it is a valid reason for opposing. And I think that the importance of the subject does factor into a vote. A rare and interesting image is going to be judged less harshly because of its significance. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, that is the exception, but we aren't talking about an exceptional case. "It's just some random bridge" alone isn't sufficient grounds for opposition when the subject has its own article. --BRIAN0918 20:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support an excelent example of black and white photography. Its sad that most people today lack the apreciation needed to this in a picture. TomStar81 01:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Black and white may add artistic value but reduces encyclopedic value. Among other things, it may misled the viewer into thinking it's an old photo. Redquark 02:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I like the b/w too, but I don't like the blown sky highlights. --Fir0002 www 04:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the b&w totally kills it for a modern photo. We tolerate it for old photos - we do not appreciate or encourage it. It's really nice and artistic, but not that helpful for Wikipedia. I agree with comments that the subject is not a problem - it's about how well it illustrates, not what illustrates. Would like to see a colour ver if there is one. Stevage 18:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral black and white is fine, judging by the obvious noise reduction this picture would likely look like a mess of color noise in color anyways. The purpose of images in Wikipedia is illustrate subjects and the lack of color here doesn't substantially hinder that goal. Many of the images we feature are over oriented towards pretty that their purpose as informative content is substantially hurt, I don't see why we should oppose due to it being black and white. That said, it's a nice picture.. and I'm glad that someone took it. But it's not quite the best of what we have to offer. I hope Jayann contributes more photographs in the future, I'd gladly trade all the pretty pictures we feature here for many more free Wikipedia created illustrations where we have none. --Gmaxwell 21:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - not stunning. --P199 22:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - This is an encyclopedia, not a modern art exhibition. There's no excuse for desaturated images like this one when colored photos are so much more encyclopedic. --Cyde Weys 21:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • So you'd prefer a image with an artificially inflated saturation which shows colors inaccurately over a black and white image which shows the luminance of the image accurately and with less distracting noise? Many of the images that are features have significantly inaccurate colors. Even if the uploader did not intentionally make color changes, most digicams increase the saturation of well lit images substantially, and even when they don't, getting the correct color rendition requires correcting for the while balance of the overall illumination which cameras do automatically but usually get wrong. Getting proper color rendition is fairly difficult unless you have complete control over illumination, or the opportunity to take measurements.... and of course this is ignoring the vulgarities of the cameras sensor, or your monitor's inability to render all colors that exist... all of which can cause substantial color shifts. And when it comes down to it, images with correct colors are usually pretty boring. I'm not opposed to images which misrepresent, so long as it doesn't interfere with their encyclopedia value. Such images are all around us, they are the norm. The scientific grade measurment photgraph is a rare animal. I am a bit annoyed by the folks here who are opposing this obvious and non-confusing incomplete representation because black and white isn't what the world really looks like, while at the same time supporting images which have been saturation enhanced, dramatically white-balanced, sharpened beyond the inverse of the imaging system's point spread function, and noise reduced at the expense of fine detail that people here consider inconsequential. Sure, you call these things 'enhancements' but they could just as equally be called subtle lies. At least a black and white photo only fails to tell the whole story but never promised anything else, it isn't an outright fabrication. Will we next start rejecting photos because their finite spacial extent fails to include the entire known universe, thus telling us an incomplete story as well? :-/ --Gmaxwell 03:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC) (who has no B&W photos on wikipedia)[reply]
  • Ok, calm down :) A black and white photo is less *useful* to the encyclopaedia. We don't know the real colour of the bridge - is it brown like the Eiffel Tower, is it gunmetal, is it rusted, is it green? We don't know the colour of the water - blue, green, brown? The banks of the river - grass, dead leaves, snow? You're stretching a bit to see hypocrisy in that we accept images which are slightly tweaked for boldness, while we reject images with no colour whatsoever. No one's asking for complete scientific accuracy, but just a useful image which reperesents a subject well. Lastly, for this specific image, I would find the image more useful again if we could see the entire bridge. As it is, we have lost the parts where it joins the banks, and it's not clear for example how many arches the bridge has. 3? 4? 5? For me, this image adequately illustrates "some bridge over a river", but much less well Intercity Bridge . Stevage 11:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: When I was putting together the article for Intercity Bridge, I was debating whether to use the black-and-white picture, or whether I should get a color picture. As it turns out, I took some pictures from the St. Paul side and used two of them in the article. More recently, I took a couple pictures from near the water's edge by the lock and dam, and I think one of them might show the bridge in more color (with the trees leafing out in the spring and so on). On the other hand, I'm hesitant to remove the current picture from the article since it's a featured picture candidate -- that would just be bad karma. I'll see if I can find the pictures tonight and put them up for comparison. (Also, the Intercity Bridge isn't "just another bridge" -- it's on the National Register of Historic Places.) --Elkman - (talk) 20:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Here's the one I took, in color:
      The Intercity Bridge taken from the west side of the Ford Dam.
    • Does this do a better job of illustrating the Intercity Bridge article? I'm not sure I would have nominated this one for featured picture status, so I'm not trying to usurp the nomination or anything. --Elkman - (talk) 22:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral per Fir0002. enochlau (talk) 07:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 14:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

File:Night view of Taipei City.jpg
Night View of Taipei around Holiday Time. The 1,667 foot (480 meter) Taipei 101, the tallest in the world, is seen at center.


Hi Resolution, excellent detail, and beautifully captured. Well-mixed natural and urban elements; Mountain and Sky in background, Fauna and terrain in foreground, breathtaking skyline focus.

  • Oppose, I'm afraid. I think I would like it higher resolution, so that we could look into the city more, and I'm not keen on the photo credit in the bottom corner, or on the other photographer on the right hand side. --BillC 19:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I feel the same way. It is quite a pleasing view, but the copyright information spoils it a little and it would certainly benefit from a higher resolution copy. The lights look a bit squashed and undefined. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The other photographers are very distracting. And I would also like a bigger resolution. --Enano275 20:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per concerns above. I'm almost willing to support it anyway -- really dramatic shot. bcasterline t 20:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I really like the angle, lighting, and the city view. It would be nice to get rid of the copyright info as well. sikander 21:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • NOTICE: Creator contacted for permission to touch up and to remove copyright info from photo. For future votes, consider photo without copyright in corner and without photographers in foreground.Soakologist 20:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support for cloned out version --Fir0002 www 12:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral for now, though that's a stunning view! I will support if the photographer can give us a larger version without the ©. That said, I'm guessing this must be one of the most photographed views in SE Asia (there's another photographer at it even in this shot) and if we can't get this one fixed, we might find another. ~ VeledanTalk 07:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. A couple of points:
    • I thought we were against cloning out of people/defects/watermarks
    • Resolution is disappointing for a panorama - we should get the original from the creator
    • The clouds are particularly blurry and stitchy
    • There is too much foreground for my taste, for this to be a good city panorama photo. Nice for your office wall, not so good from an encyclopaedic point of view.
    • Copyright status a little uncertain...who created the image, and are they the same person who uploaded it and use the "I am the creator of this image" GFDL tag?
    • Colours etc of image are generally pretty. Stevage 16:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I would love to support, but the "photo credit" in the lower right spoils the image entirely. I can't support it with that there. (I am assuming, of course, that the uploader and taker are the same person.) CuiviénenT|C, Sunday, 14 May 2006 @ 17:41 UTC
    Note Soakologist - we should pretend it doesn't exist. Stevage 07:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, Conditional Support as long as the photo credit is actually removed. CuiviénenT|C, Monday, 15 May 2006 @ 11:56 UTC
  • Support (Conditional) based on someone fixing up that credit info. The overall photo is stunning, the sky is just brilliant. One area of the clouds could do with the stitching fixed up a bit more. Those other photographers don't concern me, I don't think they detract from the image. The 'streetlight' just in front of them is actually more off-putting. --jjron 09:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - All sorts of cloning/stitching issues in the foreground, most notably the plants and the other photographer. --Cyde Weys 21:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's not cloning issues, that's just the effect of movement during long expsoure --Fir0002 www 12:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 14:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

USS Hornet Launches a B-25 Bomber as part of the Doolittle Raid.

I like this picture, it shows the carrier USS Hornet launching B-25 Mitchell Bomber as part the Doolittle Raid.

  • Nominate and support. - TomStar81 22:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Intriguing photo, which documents a remarkable piece of history. bcasterline t 00:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I appreciate that this is a historic image, but you've got to draw the line somewhere on quality/historic value. I just don't think the quality is up to scratch. --Fir0002 www 04:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • In all fairness to that comment it is hard to find big quality photos from the WWII era that have more going for them than just "historical value". I picked this one out on account of the fact that it captured the launch of a twin propeller bomber from the back as it took off without the aid of a catapult. TomStar81 04:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The quality of this photo is at least as good as Image:Lowering the flag on Zuikaku.jpg, which is currently a featured picture. I don't think it gets much better. bcasterline t 06:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think the best WWII action pic we have is Image:NormandyLST.jpeg ~ VeledanTalk 07:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Image:Lowering the flag on Zuikaku.jpg should be allowed to be of a lower quality, since the photo depicts something more historically important (and is also striking in its content), just as the first photograph ever, which is also an FP, can be an unrecognizable mess and still become Featured. The content is more important historically. This image is of a random B-25 launching from a random carrier. Now, if it was a photo of the first plane to be launched from carrier, or a photo of the Enola Gay taking off, for example, maybe you'd have a case. --BRIAN0918 16:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • If this image is of a random B-25 launching from a random carrier, why isn't Image:Lowering the flag on Zuikaku.jpg a picture of a random carrier being sunk in a random battle? I think the Doolittle raid is historically significant, just as Leyte Gulf is signifcant, and a plane fromn the Doolittle raid is significant, just as a as a carrier from the attack on Pearl Harbor is significant. Especially given the technical achievements involved in flying a B-25 off a carrier. But I guess historical significance is a matter of personal opinion. bcasterline t 16:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • I think the point was the rarity of the historical moment caught on camera — there must be more photos of planes taking off carriers than there are photos of doomed soldiers scrambling up the side of a capsizing ship in order to salute their flag one last time before they drown (which half of them did). More photos means we can hold out for better quality. ~ VeledanTalk 20:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • Fair enough, but I think this photo deserves more credit. As far as I know, B-25s were never launched from a carrier before the Doolittle Raid or since. There were only 16 bombers involved in the raid; no one on board the carrier knew what the bombers were doing; and certainly no one was intentionally put on board to document the occasion. So I think it's very likely that this is the only photo in existence of not only the Doolittle Raid, but, since the raid itself was so unique, anything like this. -- bcasterlinetalk 14:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • There's a difference that you're not grasping. This image is supposed to be historic for the rarity of its content, but you don't even know anything about the B-25 in the image (you just call it "a B-25"), why it was launched, what its mission was, etc. For anyone who looks at the photo, all they see is a plane taking off from a carrier (if it was "the Enola Gay" launching to drop the atomic bomb, you would have a case). In contrast, the rarity of the sinking ship, with its crew saluting before they drown, is self-evident, as Valedan clearly explained above. --22:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
            • Again, I disagree. You don't know anything about Image:Lowering the flag on Zuikaku.jpg until you read the caption, either: there's nothing self-evident about that. I agree that it's extremely rare -- and obviously so -- but I don't see why this image is significantly different. I think a B-25 flying off a carrier is dramatic; and it only happened on one occasion. But, again, perhaps significance is largely a matter of personal opinion. -- bcasterlinetalk 23:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
              • If I'm reading this source correctly, 16 B-25's took off from that carrier (or other carriers as well?) for that mission, and that page includes a different photo of a B-25 takeoff. Whatever the truth, it's all subjective at this point. --BRIAN0918 02:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
              • I do see bcasterline's point here, and I guess that if I knew as much about WWII or fighter aircraft as he did, I'd agree about the significance of this pic. I expect that's what it ultimately boils down to in the end: FPs will be that subset of good pictures which happen to have appeal even for those people with little or no appreciation of the subject matter. That's a good use of FPs IMO, because they can engender an interest where there was none before, but I appreciate it is frustrating for people who do know something about the subject and can see pictures in a different light ~ VeledanTalk 15:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • The historical imporatnace of the picture (for those interested in it): This was the first launch of the first bombing raid against the Japanese home island by the United States. This was the only time that United States Army Air Force Pilots (Now the United States Air Force) staged off of a US Navy carrier. This was also the first time that a bomber had ever been used aboard an aircraft carrier (Note that many fighters carried bombs, but a bomber and a fighter are to seperate types of aircraft). The raid could also be pointed to as the first step toward the American victory at the battle of Midway, as the psychological effect of the raids conducted by these 16 B-25s caused the japanese to transfer certain assets back to the home islands rather than dispatch them to attack US interests. B-25 bombers such as the ones pictured here were also notable in that they could not land on the carriers they were launched from due to the distance required for them to stop, so a carrier launching bombers would not retrieve them. If memory serves Hornet had to dispense with her fighter contigent to make room for the bombers, which ment that Enerprise was solely responsible for the entire task force’s air cover. TomStar81 03:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose for now, not so much for the quality as that I don't think the subject is especially well depicted. For comparison, FPs Image:Pennsylvania Lingayen.jpg, Image:Uss-akron-manhattan.jpg, and of course the Image:NormandyLST.jpeg I cited above are from the same period or before, and to me they speak for themselves in a way this doesn't ~ VeledanTalk 07:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - we should remind ourselves that we're not promoting images which adequately depict fascinating subjects, but rather, images which stunningly depict ordinary subjects. And this image is, well, fairly dull, and of particularly low quality. I wonder whether, if cropped, anyone could even identify the type of aircraft from this photo. Stevage 16:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Cameras were not that bad 64 years ago. Bad quality might be excused if your ship is about to sink or if you are in the middle of an attack. Mikeo 16:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)~[reply]
  • Support. Quality and historical importance are on par with (if not greater than) the Zuikaku FP. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as per Stevage and Mikeo. -- P199 22:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as per above. To me this is just some old photo of a plane taking off from a ship. There's no way to identify either of them. It's too small and quality is terrible (look at that banding across the top, and what's with that UFO above the plane?). Fine to use the pic, but it's no FP, it's not that historic. --jjron 10:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose. You must draw the line somewhere between historical significance and quality. As for previous comments you say this was the first bomber launched, should that not be included in the caption? (though I wouls still oppose) As for compared to Zuikaku, I see men standing on the side of a ship, I will look at it and read the caption as how often do you see a picture of that, but the other just appears to be a picture of a bomber taking off and you see lots of pictures of that.say1988 03:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, per Mikeo. enochlau (talk) 07:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 14:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Animated gif of the first motion picture, the Muybridge horse gallop

This is a striking and historically significant picture that is enhanced by the work in animation that the Wikipedian responsible spent on it.

Animated stuff tends to be nominated alot. :) --Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 21:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I said it was confusing, but actually agree with you Fastfission, it is clever, and interesting; however for encyclopaedic value and as a FP, it would be confusing for users. The other two make much more sense in that context. --jjron 14:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted

Water Droplet

Splash caused by a droplet falling from about 1.2m of height. Not perfect but pretty good.
Other versions: 01, 02, 02, 03, 04, 06, 07

  • Self Nom --Fir0002 www 07:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - can you tell us more why it should be an FP? I probably have the same bias as others here - it looks pretty, but it's currently only used to illustrate Water, for which it's not the best photo. Technically there are certain obvious deficiencies - bottom left out of focus, awkward lighting, looks like your reflection just right of centre at the bottom, a reflection of an overhead light etc. For such an "abstract" photo (illustrating a concept, rather than some concrete in the world), these things are distracting. All in all, neither this nor the other versions of the photo really "do it for me". I have to admit that I like most of the other photos at Commons [9] better - they're sharper, have more detail, more interesting shapes, and more interesting backgrounds than the vague blue wall well and truly beyond the depth of field. Stevage 11:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It just doesn't work. I don't really know why, but it isn't very striking. --Pharaoh Hound 15:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This picture shows the waveform(s) created. Aesthatically, it's striking in that even a mundane occurence as a drop of water can be beautiful. asnatu 16:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I like it. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 18:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Takes something relatively simple and makes it striking, don't see any major technical problems either. --Scott 19:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very nice picture of a water droplet. Illustrative too. Mikeo 20:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't like the lighting. I think that the light is too uneven with a burnout on the bottom left and is too dark around the drop itself. I find some of the other, similar, files in the Commons to be better photos overall, although they also exhibit lighting problems. SteveHopson 21:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC) [reply]
  • Support Well captured. --Aled D 19:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Agree with Aled D, I like the state of the splash in this one. --Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 21:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not that special. An image this easy to reproduce should be perfect, and even if it were, I'm not sure if this is FP material. If you compare it to lets say the dripping faucet animation the encyclopedic value of this image would rate rather low. --Dschwen 12:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support—The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Pel99 (talkcontribs) .
  • Oppose - in the end, I don't think it's good enough. It's not especially encyclopaedic, and there are too many flaws when compared to some better examples out there. And I bet you can get a better one, Fir0002. Stevage 14:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Dont like the lighting difference and I don't really see it as very encyclopaedic.say1988 02:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'd be happy to support this on Commons FPC, but it's a little uninformative, given the animation as mentioned by Dschwen. enochlau (talk) 07:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Mikeo 17:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Carolina Anole eating a Praying Mantis

This is one of my favorite pictures (that I have taken). I am nominating it because I feel like it is of high quality and is a good representation of a Carolina Anole and an unfortunate Praying Mantis. It was taken on the Outer Banks of North Carolina.

Not promoted Mikeo 17:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A chocolate chip cupcake

I'm nominating this picture because it is large and of high quality. It's a picture of a chocolate chip cupcake, ovbiously. It's not mine; it was created by Fir0002.

Comment I too don't really think this is FP worthy. I took the image like that because that was the effect I wanted - it fitted perfectly in the bottom of a white page as a footer. So that's no crop, that's the photo. --Fir0002 www 22:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Mikeo 18:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An wide range of candies on display on a market in Barcelona, Spain.

I think this one really adds to our article on candy. The picture shows a market stall in Barcelona, with a staggering variety of sweet, delicious stuff. If you thought I tinkered with the colors, you'd be wrong :-) They use BÄRO food lighting, which gives the colours an insane intensity.

Not promoted Mikeo 18:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Animation of the tsunami caused by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake showing how the tsunami radiated from the entire length of the 1,200 kilometer (750 mi) rupture

AN ALTERNATIVE VERSION without the Malaysia jerk and with an end-pause ~ VeledanTalk

This animation is already featured on Commons, but I think it's wonderfully informative and belongs here on Wikipedia. I added it to 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake in place of a smaller but incomplete version just two days ago — maybe not long enough to judge whether an image has been accepted in most circumstances, but as it happens the article itself was promoted to Featured status that day, and so it has had plenty of attention since.

It was originally a public domain NOAA movie, but has been converted to an animated gif for wikipedia by User:Malu5531 (see the talk page here for evidence of authorship — it isn't made clear anywhere on the commons image page itself). The wave depiction is accurate: the reason the leading fronts sometimes seem to hesitate before hitting the shore is that waves slow down in shallower water. Tsunamis travel fastest in the deeper ocean.

Update: support is for edited version ~ VeledanTalk 16:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's called scale. If you want to fit things in some countries are going to be smaller than others. - Mgm|(talk) 10:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:2004_Indonesia_Tsunami_edit.gif Mikeo 15:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Ww2 allied axis.gif
Western Allies (blue), Soviets and allies (red), Axis (black) during the Second World War

For Allies to show the different times that allied countries entered WW2, and the area of control of axis and allies. Uses contemporary boundaries and based on Joaopais's Image:WWII.png that is in turn based on Vardion's Image:BlankMap-World.png

  • neutral. This one is hard to make a decision. One thing I would like is a legend added to the image itself, so that if you view it full size it will still be visible. Other than that, I notice a problem a the end. I would think at least one more map should be added showing boundaries at the time of Japanese surrender, following the Soviet invasion. I don't know if I could support it with thse changes anyways, but they would improve it in my eyes.say1988 02:50, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had thought that it would be better showing only numbers since they are the same in most languages, rather than writing. Added a map showing after Japans surrender from your request --Astrokey44 04:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • The time periods were chosen based on when the most changes occured - for instance there are four from 1941 when the Germans and the British went back and forwards in North Africa. Showing say one every six months would be less useful in terms of what was going on, but one every month may make a large file size. --Astrokey44 06:42, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is the main flaw I see with it, but if you pt it consistanly 1 month it would be too long in my view. Put it as 6 monhs it would exclude many times. I could see a imexcale of say 3 months, bu I dont think any fixed timescale would be too good. Though I also agree with the other statement colours could be changed. Black I find a poor colour for most maps/diagrams (except for borders and letters), and that blue seems bad to me, but the red workd well (what better colour of the USSR)?say1988 19:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright I will try to make one with an even timeline, this will take alot more time and research so I may renominate when finished. Also will probably change the colors. Do you think green would be better for the axis? I was thinking a duller blue and red at least. Also I should ask does the rate the pictures change feel right? Its now set on 300 ms (3 seconds) but that can be changed to anything --Astrokey44 02:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support, as per Renata. A smooth time scale is desirable. This is a very, very informative image. I've never really got a grasp of the timeline as well as this before! --Janke | Talk 06:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak oppose IMHO, animated gifs are not well suited to presenting information of this sort. No one can take in the information at that rate, and without any controls to go forward/backwards, the user gets frustrated and gives up trying to follow it pretty quickly. Also the dates chosen are arbitrary. It would work better if it ticked forward at a constant rate (1 month at a time) - you would feel the difference in speed better. Lastly, the colours are pretty hideous :) That blue and that red really aren't very lovely. As for the utility of the image...well, I would find it easier to support Image:WWII.png, which is very easy to grasp at a glance. Stevage 13:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Highly valuable illustration for quite a few WWII-related articles. The non-equidistant timescale is OK - it does not confuse me at all. The pace is OK - just observe the regions you are interested in once at a time - and you are fine. Mikeo 17:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support --Xtreambar 18:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question. Was French Guiana actually occupied by Nazi Germany or Vichy France? (It seems unlikely.) If not, it shouldn't be colored black. —CuiviénenT|C, Saturday, 20 May 2006 @ 01:33 UTC
  • Support I really like the concept behind this picture. I do agree that it is difficult to decide on a proper time interval. Perhaps you should just decrease the timing between the frames and lower the interval to one month. Just saying. --Alphachimp talk 07:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, I'd find it much more useful to have the sequence laid out as separate frames, without having to wait for the gif to cycle to them. Night Gyr 12:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose The idea behind this is great, and I would definitely support this nomination if it was executed better. I would try relocating the date lettering to the top of the picture where the animation tends to develop. The animating time interval should be set at a specific figure. Finally, it would be absolutely ideal if a smooth transition between the frames was created (possibly a fade), as this would enable the viewer to react as the animation changes. mcshadypl 01:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support as per Renata, Janke. WoodenTaco 04:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think it's a great concept. The uneven timesteps don't bother me. --BillC 17:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. Great concept, and the image is very informative. But it's difficult to follow because it's slow. (An even timescale would help.) -- bcasterlinetalk 22:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, I don't like how the time in the corner changes as if it were showing minutes and seconds. It doesn't change at a constant rate and it's difficult to follow. I'd prefer it if it was a list of dates with an arrow or highlight showing the current one, so that all dates are shown at once and the current one highlighted. I'm not sure I'd support it even if this were fixed though. E.g.:
    • 09/1939
    • 05/1940
    • 12/1941 ←
Pengo 02:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Nice idea, but it's too confusing. There's too much information to take in at any one step and I can't keep track of who joins what side at every new frame. This kind of thing would work great as a Flash animation (or image/Javascript slideshow) with controls that allow me to navigate at my own speed. howcheng {chat} 19:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too confusing, although I appreciate the work that must of gone into it. The choice of dates is controversial, as is seperating the Soviets/Communists from the allies. Myciconia 20:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC) [reply]

Not promoted Mikeo 06:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answer by Joao096

  • French Guiana should be marked black until 1943 because its government pledged allegiance to the Vichy government,despite the huge support for Charles de Gaulle.
The Southern Banjo Frog, Limnodynastes dumerilii insularis
Edit 01 ( by Froggydarb ). (Just a bit sharper and rotated.)
Edit02
Alternate Version-The same frog from another angle


This is one of the five sub-species of the Eastern Banjo Frog (Limnodynastes dumerilii), this photo clearly demonstrates the features of this sub-species: strong blue colouration on the sides and a pale cream dorsal stripe. This photo gives a strong comparison to the photos of the other Banjo Frog sub-species on the same page.

This photo appears in the Eastern Banjo Frog page, and was created by Tnarg.

  • I've just uploaded another photo of the frog, it's in a more "natural" position this time, however in all the photos of this frog I have the front arm is hidden by the head.--Tnarg 12345 22:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Either one is fine, but I think the second one does a better job showing off the white dorsal line. If none of the shots show that missing leg, it's a shame, but not enough reason to oppose. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 02:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Agree with Bertilvidet. Mikeo 17:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This is headed and captioned here as Southern Banjo Frog, but is on the Eastern Banjo Frog page - nowhere on that page is there a mention of the Southern Banjo Frog, even in the description of this subspecies or the picture caption on that page. Is there a mistake somewhere? Also the picture proportions are a bit odd - have you cropped the width, because I feel a more normal width in screen proportions would look better at full size, as I think the background is nice. I couldn't find any others of this species in FP list, so assume none of the other candidates got through? There is a bit of excess flash reflection, but in general I would tend to support (but will wait to see some of the questions resolved). --jjron 17:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, none of the others got through. --liquidGhoul 21:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The species Limnodynastes dumerilii is refered to as the Eastern Banjo Frog, however this specific sub-species, Limnodynastes dumerilii insularis occurs in southern portion of this frogs range, to avoid confusion, ie. calling all 5 sub-species Eastern Banjo Frog, this sub-species has been called the Southern Banjo Frog, I will add the common names to the Eastern Banjo Frog page.--Tnarg 12345 22:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I don't understand this criticism. The background is aesthetically pleasing to me (the rust colour contrasts the blue skin nicely), and is encyclopaedic. It's also mostly out of focus, which is good. Seems perfect to me. Stevage 14:39, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original version. OK, I'll support now that the Eastern Banjo Frog page has been modified to include common names and reduce confusion. I would still like to see a wider version, but accept that these proportions fit in with the page. The colours on this frog are amazing. Don't see any problem with the background - this is its habitat, it's what the ground in the Australian bush looks like; in fact, IMO, it adds to the picture's value. --jjron 11:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Froggydarb's edit. It's a very attractive image to me, encyclopaedic, no technical blemishes (though not that keen on the shadow behind his head). Obviously the opposers above just have different tastes ;) Stevage 15:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the image seems to be a bit on the dark side...but if this is the natural habitat of the frog, then I guess it's okay. --HappyCamper 15:23, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 02. Nice colors. I've uploaded an edit in which I've tried to soften the harsh fill flash lighting. --Fir0002 www 07:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 01. A good photo, although the shadow of the frogs head bothers me a bit.Froggydarb 08:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. There seem to be a lot of noisy pixels in the background, especially at the borders of the leaves and the shadows. Other than that I like it. howcheng {chat} 19:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 2, its amazing what a crop, rotate and color adjust will get you. -Ravedave 06:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Not promoted ~ VeledanTalk 15:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kailash temple at Ellora, India
Edited version of Kailash temple at Ellora, India with slightly lower contrast and brightness

The Kailash temple at Ellora, India. This temple is one of the finest examples of rock cut architecture. The temple is constructed by scooping of an estimated 200,000 tonnes of rock over 100 years. Listed in the UNESCO World Heritage site list, this is claimed to be the largest such architecture in the world. (pl. see the larger version of the image)

Not promoted Mikeo 15:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The spire of Mont St. Michel.

This is my first nomination, but hopefully I have got everything right. The image has a high resolution, it is of good quality, and I really think the angle and the layout of the subject make it eye-catching. It is currently being used in the Mont Saint Michel article.

  • Nominate and support. - --Hetar 19:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very good angle, background, illustrates well. Scienceman123 00:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm just confused by the phrase "spire of Mont St Michel". The Mont is actually the hill itself, at the top of which is an abbey, whose name I'm unsure of - our article on Mt Saint-Michel is pretty vague on details of the abbey itself. I was actually there a couple of weeks ago, but couldn't get into the abbey due to masses of tourists. Didn't get any photos as nice as this anyway. :) Stevage 02:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. The tower is a bit tilted and the colors are too pale, it could use a tad of contrast. --Enano275 05:15, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. I like many things about this picture, especially the lighting and the clouds. What stops me is the lack of perspective control, causing the tower to look like its falling backwards. While the photographer (who is obviously very talented as demonstrated by this and his other photos) did a good job hiding the PC problem by squaring the tower in the center and I realize that PC is difficult to obtain with small format cameras, I still can't support the photo for that reason. SteveHopson 17:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What is perspective control? Stevage 22:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- good contrast, good angle --T-rex 18:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- While I did not even think when I posted this photo that it would be nominated to be part of Featured Pictures, I now see the difference between it and most of the other images on Wikipedia. Due to the clarity offered by the high resolution on the photo, I believe my attempt to convey the sheer height and grandeur of the abbey/spire was successful. Though I experimented a bit with the contrasting and brightness, I realized that changing those features would in fact take away from the "natural" lighting...believe it or not, the sky was that brilliantly blue that day. The photo is rare due to the fact that this particular angle is difficult to capture. I had to sit on a perch several hundred feet above the ground to frame this photo...meaning that further attempts to gain perspective control would have been impossible to achieve without great personal risk. I assumed that the uppermost section of the abbey would be called the "spire" since "steeple" is a more informal and Americanized term. The eye is naturally drawn upwards, making the spire itself, not the abbey, the focal point of the photo. Thank you all for your constructive criticism...I'll keep it all in mind in the future...and a special thank you to those of you who nominated and support this photograph. Nilington 04:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, it's the juxtaposition of "Mont St Michel" and "Spire" that is confusing - mountains don't usually have spires :) If I knew the name of the abbey, I would suggest that instead. "Spire" is fine. Stevage 09:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Mont St. Michel Spire.JPG

Obelisk centrepiece of Paris' Place de la Concorde

Presently in the place de la Concorde article.

Not promoted Mikeo 18:36, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Bagpiper

I discovered this some time ago while begining my study for finals. I decided to note the page I found it on a place her for nomination here later. Photo was uploaded by Solitude and can be found in the article Bagpipes.

Not promoted Mikeo 18:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a picture of a Jellyfish

Add your reasons for nominating it here; say what article it appears in, and who created the image.

Not promoted Mikeo 18:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

File:SClassLine.jpg
left line (front to rear): W221, W220, W140, W126 and the right line (rear to front): W116, W108, W111/W112, W128


This picture aptly shows the history of the Mercedes-Benz S-Class, and is a testament to these astonishing flagship luxury sedans. As an automotive enthusiast (with a special interest in Mercedes-Benz, BMW and Porsche) I find this picture an important one, because the cars in it have had a huge impact on today’s automotive industry. It is thanks to the countless, pioneering world-first technologies and safety equipments, first featured in these cars, that has made and will continue to make, all cars a safer and more pleasurable environment.

Just some of the innovations pioneered in the pictured cars are listed in the 'trivia' section in the Mercedes-Benz article. Recently pioneered features in S-Class cars, not listed in above article, include: Proximity radar parking aids, car satlight navigation, satlight navigation with integrated hard disc, Pre-Safe and other accident anticipation systems, first fully digital surround sound car audio system, infa-red head lights, and many more.

This image appears in the Mercedes-Benz S-Class article. This image is classed as 'promotional' and I believe it was initially uploaded by user, "Sirnik"

Not promoted I am closing this nom now as there isn't really a point in leaving it open. JCW, if you do find a free version of an S-Class that looks this great, be sure to nominate it. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 09:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Will Do - I wasn’t sure about the copyright status when I nominated it, so thanks. And will keep looking...--JCW 10:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)