Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-19 User:Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA and User:Avraham

Mediation Case: 2006-05-19 User:Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA and User:Avraham

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Request Information

Request made by: ^demon 00:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Where is the issue taking place?

An edit war / content dispute over Actuarial Outpost

Who's involved?

Primarily User:Avraham and User:Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA. Reversions also done by User:Tom troceen, User:TheActuary, User:Just the facts maam, User:Kentucky Janitor, User:Blisterino, User:John wesley, User:168.168.67.112, User:64.7.136.166 and User:67.165.77.198 (full page history)

What's going on?

There is a big debate over whether or not the history of the site should include information about a (seemingly) large debate that occured within the site itself, resulting in a spinoff site. User:Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA believes the information should be kept in how he wrote it. User:Avraham originally wished for the information to be removed, but did write a more NPOV version (diff) which I found to be satisfactory. However, User:Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA was not satisfied, as he sent me a message asking me to revert it again. I refused and brought this issue to the attention of the MC.

What would you like to change about that?

I wish for this edit war / content dispute to be resolved to the agreement of all (which I believe it can be, eventually).

If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?

Not really up to me. I prefer public. Ask the concerned parties whether they wish for private or public.

Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?

This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do

what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.

I wish to continue to work with this case. Also, please note that I informed both users of this mediation request.

Evidence

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Compromise offers

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Comments by others

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Discussion

I would like to point out the comments on the talk page by the former administrator/webmaster, glenn, that this is not as a significant event as some would believe as at least two other spin-off's have occurred, and died out for that matter. Further the alleged sock-puppetry, the stealing of the name of the current webmaster, and references to "Amoral Outpost" clearly indicate a deap-seated bias help by User:Joe Smythe, AAAA, MAAAA. His spin-off site, [1] has 41 users and under 2000 posts, whereas the Actuarial Outpost has over 8700 members and over 1.5 million posts—they are incomparable. In my opinion as one who has been a member of that board for a number of years, neither the spin-off, nor the controversy (which was a minor one compared to some others ala Space Lobster) is not worthy of mention. -- Avi 00:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Note: The issues have quieted down now, does this still need to be listed here? -- Avi 16:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, as nothing has been said since June, I will close this case. Should further trouble arise I would recommend filing another case request. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 17:58, 6 August 2006 (UTC)