Wikipedia:Peer review/2000 UEFA Cup Final riots/archive1
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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like some reccommendations on how to improve the article as I am thinking of eventually taking it to GA status.
Thanks, The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- Comment: My initial impression is that it is biased in favour of Arsenal fans. See, "Later, Galatasaray fans occupied Copenhagen's City Hall Square and started to try and provoke Arsenal fans in a nearby bar. The fans in the bar stood up to the provocation with both sides chanting at each other until bottles were thrown from both sides. " and
- "Then, in a calculated attack seen as retaliation for the Istanbul killings, approximately 500 Arsenal fans[10] attacked from the main road behind the Galatasaray fans." This in not a neutral way of presenting the event. Who sees the attack as a retaliation? It is not NPOV to say that the Galatasaray fans tried to "provoke" the Arsenal fans but that they "stood up to" it. Improvements should be made throughout the article to present the events in a more neutral way. One way of doing so would be to try to use non-British sources, perhaps Turkish or Danish, or perhaps from third countries. That's my dominant first impression. Mostly well written, though perhaps small amount of copy editing could be useful. Peregrine981 (talk) 14:06, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for this. The page does already have some sources in it from Ireland and America, I'll take a look at turkish and danish papers and see if I can decipher something out of them. Are there any other parts that need work as I've reworded the parts you pointed out? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 12:39, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
- here are a few more comments:
- "a public disorder event" - awkward wording. A riot? A brawl? A fight?
- "reportedly also involved fans from other clubs" - couldn't we just say that it did involve other fans?
- "were in part a retaliation for the killing of two Leeds United fans " - might be good to qualify this. "seen by XX as..." for example, or were "a result of tension originating from" or something similar, to make it less accusatory
- "Later, Galatasaray fans occupied Copenhagen's City Hall Square and started to try and provoke" - this doesn't really correspond to the reporting in the source cited:
The brawling broke out after Arsenal fans inside a bar opposite the square faced off against their Galatasaray counterparts outside, with each group trying to out-sing the other. There had been violence outside the bar in the early hours of yesterday morning so riot police moved in to push the Turks into the square.
A few bottles were thrown, a few insults and punches traded between rival fans, but there was no sign of the invasion that was to take place moments later.
Most of the Turkish fans had their backs to the main road as they chatted and sang songs. Suddenly a mob of around 500 Arsenal fans marched over.
The rival fans then picked up and wielded chairs that had been laid out in the square for tourists. As the two groups attacked and counter-attacked, handicraft sellers gathered what they could of their damaged wares and ran for cover, along with shoppers and office workers. Families with young children and a man in a wheelchair were caught up in the confrontations as riot police sought to keep the rival factions apart.
As the Arsenal fans were pushed back they could be seen regrouping for another charge.
This source [2] does more closely support the above wording, but is not used as support. Some reorganisation is necessary to make attribution clear.
- In the "Aftermath" section, it is mentioned that Arsenal criticised the police, but no mention is made of Galatasaray reaction. In fact, no mention is made of any official reaction by the club. Surely there was one? It should be included. Did Galatasaray warn of trouble? Did Galatasaray take any disciplinary action toward its own fans?
- More background should probably be included regarding the initial stabbing in Istanbul. There may be English language papers from copenhagen/Istanbul that could be accessible, although it may be hard to find them online 12 years later.
That's it. Peregrine981 (talk) 10:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
- OK, I've just done a paragraph on the Leeds history. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)