Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Raspor

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User:Raspor

Suspected sockpuppeteer

Raspor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Suspected sockpuppets

Octoplus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Report submission by

Orangemarlin 20:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Evidence

1. Raspor is a known sockpuppet master: and
2. Raspor has a community ban as shown here
3. Octuplus and Raspor edited similar articles, mostly in the Creationism vs. Evolution articles. Octoplus' contributions vs. Raspor's contributions
4. Per the evidence above, both stay mostly in the Talk space, rarely editing articles.
5. Both have a fascination with Karl Popper as shown here for Octoplus and here for Raspor
6. Tendentious editing of single articles, specifically Talk:Creation science for Octoplus and Talk:Intelligent design for Raspor.
7. Octoplus recently started editing on June 28, 2007, yet appears skilled right from the start on how to edit. # Additionally, one of the first comments by this editor is on a talk page of an editor who has previously engaged in difficult conversations with Raspor, as shown here.
8. Other editors are convinced of the relationship between the two as shown here.

Comments

• I concur completely with the case presented above. The longer that Octoplus edited, the more apparent the similarity of Octoplus' writing style and interests to Raspor's writing style and interests became. Octoplus has been contentious and argumentative and has declined to write any material relevant to an article on Wikipedia, although he was invited to do so repeatedly, which is similar to Raspor. The reason Raspor was initially banned was that he was not a positive element among the editors on these creationism controversy web pages. Octoplus continues in this same tradition, with the same idiosyncracies in spelling, grammar, and indentation, etc.--Filll 20:45, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

• I concur as well. Octoplus is a tendentious editor given to trolling and wasting the time of other editors. •Jim62sch• 20:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

• Agree. The interminable discussions raised by Octoplus have seemed to me to be very close in style and thinking to Raspor's approach. .. dave souza, talk 21:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

• Well obviously I disagree. This has been a technique used in these evolution articles to keep the control of the article in the hands of a small amount of editors. If one goes through the archives one can see that anyone who feels the article is POV is blocked, banned, accused of being a troll, accused of being a 'troublemaker' virtually anything. And of course a person how sees the POV in the articles is going to seem similar to previously banned editors since the the POV areas are the same. And each time a person seems these and brings it up they are elimated from the discussion. This is simply a method to insure the control of the article to push POV is in the hands of a few non-compromising editors. Octoplus 22:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

• Agreed. While I've not had any contact with raspor, having compared their contributions, I notice a few striking similarities in style. Their tendency to characterise as "petty" any errors of theirs that are pointed out to them. Their habit of often responding to criticism in a manner that amounts to "..I know you are, but what am I?..". And of course their shared conviction, that a darwinist cabal is guarding creationist articles. And as others have pointed out, the fact that both spent all their wiki-time trolling the talk pages of the same articles. ornis 23:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Conclusions

The contributions history and editing style identify Octoplus as a sockpuppet of Raspor with a high degree of certainty. An IP check could be helpful as the icing on the cake, but Raspor is likely too stale (last edits in January 2007). Based on the evidence presented above, and a review of the contribution history of both accounts, Octoplus appears to be a sockpuppet of the banned user Raspor, and has been blocked indefinitely. MastCell ^Talk 23:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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