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Palestinian suicide attacks

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Content is already covered in List of Palestinian suicide attacks and Palestinian political violence. The article relies very heavily on one publication, "Palestinian Suicide Terrorism in the Second Intifada: Motivations and Organizational Aspects" (Moghadam, 2003), and it is not needed given the existence of Palestinian political violence.

Additionally, this page was created by UnspokenPassion, who made the vast majority of substantive contributions. Firecat93 (talk) 11:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Terrorism, Israel, and Palestine. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve - I think it can be turned into something worthwhile. It is a genuinely notable topic. I have been trying to fix the over-reliance on Moghadam 2003 for months. But there are about half a dozen users who keep reverting it back to the UnspokenPassion version. I tried to add a "more sources" notice pointing out that half the citations pointed to Moghadam 2003, and it got removed as alleged "tag bombing". Even when I have added additional references they get removed sometimes. Only being able to make one revert a day means that slows down the process a lot when several users are all teaming up trying to keep UnspokenPassion's version. I've been trying to make sandbox versions that combine anything that could possibly be perceived as a revert into one edit per day, but that makes it a lot more effort to improve this particular page. There's one of me, and about six UnspokenPassion fans. I get one revert per day, and they get one each. I.M.B. (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you're right. I will try to make some improvements when I get the opportunity. Firecat93 (talk) 16:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I worry it sounds too much like I'm inviting a group vs group edit war, that would NOT be constructive. But I did want to point out that their pattern of reverting attempts to improve the page or highlight problems is why it still looks too much like the UnspokenPassion version. I.M.B. (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Currently there are already enough people who reverse the more spurious reverts. So I am not asking for that to increase, the current level is fine. What the page needs is more people actually adding non-Moghadam sources and appropriate counter points. The section on Fatah and al-Aqsa martyrs is one that I've not done anything on, and that currently only cites him. I.M.B. (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://rusi.org/publication/suicide-bomberstactics-and-mindsets

U.K. and U.S. military think tanks and military colleges have some surprisingly balanced and pragmatic research and analysis papers on Hamas, that one above sounds a lot more realistic to me "The second category is composed of people who use suicide bombing as a temporary strategy targeted at achieving specific goals. This classification includes Hamas, whose policies of suicide bus bombings followed the 1994 Hebron massacre and the 1996 assassination of Hamas mastermind Yahya Ayyash". I.M.B. (talk) 18:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"In War, as in War". Haaretz. 4 March 2005. Dr. Baruch Goldstein's suicide terrorist act in Hebron, which generated an entire series of murderous incidents of terror by Palestinian suicide bombers… I.M.B. (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NB: Unspoken passion, the page creator, is a now-blocked Icewhiz sock, so this page was created by a banned user. An important point here. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This could be a good place to merge the "Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups" page as a section. I have been reluctant to suggest that, partly because of that Icewhiz history. But I can't really give a good reason not to merge them. I.M.B. (talk) 17:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. That article is not a necessary step in our content, and something about it doesn't sit entirely right. A merge would solve problems on both ends. Overall, we do have too many articles on the Arab-Israeli conflict. While Palestinian suicide attacks is not part of that problem, it could be part of the solution. gidonb (talk) 00:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article is 100% GNG. So much content about this from many sources. Needs some cleaning of new synth though. Boksi (talk) 07:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As discussed above, what it needs is sources not written by Assaf Moghadam. I.M.B. (talk) 18:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Irgun / Lehi inclusion is not "synth" because numerous sources directly compare them and point out strong similarities. I have been trying to add some additional sources, but I get interrupted by people who like the UnspokenPassion version reverting it. Irgun / Lehi could possibly go in a "history" or "comparison" section because there is a very large gap in time. There having been a planned suicide attack is completely undisputed, the wording of sources in English is "suicide operation" and "suicide attack". I.M.B. (talk) 23:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Boksi, last November, you (correctly in my view) nominated 11 articles for speedy deletion based on 'G5. Creations by banned or blocked users, or in violation of general sanctions'. This was consistent with policy. Since your !vote is Keep in this case, are you using a different decision procedure or were you unaware that this article is the product of ban evasion? There is a 'Strike out usernames that have been blocked' option in preferences. How much of the ban evasion footprint remains? Almost 40% of the current revision of the article is content added by the ban evading actor, and almost the entire lead. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article passes the GNG with ease. It is a necessary (!) step between the individual events that do appear in the list and Palestinian political violence, without excessive overlap. Without this entry, Palestinian suicide attacks would not be discussed in sufficient depth. While sources should be diversified, this is handled by a simple template, and AFDISNOTCLEANUP.

Next to this imperfection, the article discusses in depth attacks that were more common in the 2000s than in the 1990s, 2010s, and 2020s. So on the upside, the entry offsets our tendency to recentism, particularly a problem in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. gidonb (talk) 00:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes GNG. Andre🚐 07:39, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The article is the product of ban evasion. That (should be) enough reason to delete. Editors can either help to disincentivize and reduce the extensive use of deception in the topic area or they can facilitate and reward it. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The version now is considerably different. See the authorship stats, the original author is no longer the largest author or over 50% [1] Andre🚐 07:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abu Zakaria al-Jamal

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Does not meet WP:GNG. Even the killing of al-Jamal doesn't meet GNG (if it did, this article would still fail under WP:BLP1E). VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 08:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Military, and Palestine. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 08:14, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:BLP1E. He is (maybe) notable only for his death which is against WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 11:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We will all die, but hopefully not by getting taken out by the IDF, along with three friends. Not memorial, run of the mill, 15 seconds of fame, original research, etc. Bearian (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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