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Requests for adminship (RfA) is the process by which the Wikipedia community decides who will become administrators (also known as admins), who are users with access to additional technical features that aid in maintenance. Users can either submit their own requests for adminship (self-nomination) or may be nominated by other users. Please be familiar with the administrators' reading list, how-to guide, and guide to requests for adminship before submitting your request. Also, consider asking the community about your chances of passing an RfA.
This page also hosts requests for bureaucratship (RfB), where new bureaucrats are selected.
If you are new to participating in a request for adminship, or are not sure how to gauge the candidate, then kindly go through this mini guide for RfA voters before you participate.
One trial run of an experimental process of administrator elections took place in October 2024.
About administrators
The additional features granted to administrators are considered to require a high level of trust from the community. While administrative actions are publicly logged and can be reverted by other administrators just as other edits can be, the actions of administrators involve features that can affect the entire site. Among other functions, administrators are responsible for blocking users from editing, controlling page protection, and deleting pages. However, they are not the final arbiters in content disputes and do not have special powers to decide on content matters, except to enforce the community consensus and the Arbitration Commitee rulings by protecting or deleting pages and applying sanctions to users.
About RfA
Candidate | Type | Result | Date of close | Tally | |||
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S | O | N | % | ||||
Graham872 | RRfA | Withdrawn by candidate | 20 Nov 2024 | 119 | 145 | 11 | 45 |
Worm That Turned2 | RfA | Successful | 18 Nov 2024 | 275 | 5 | 9 | 98 |
Voorts | RfA | Successful | 8 Nov 2024 | 156 | 15 | 4 | 91 |
FOARP | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 268 | 106 | 242 | 72 |
Peaceray | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 270 | 107 | 239 | 72 |
Sohom Datta | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 298 | 108 | 210 | 73 |
DoubleGrazing | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 306 | 104 | 206 | 75 |
SD0001 | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 306 | 101 | 209 | 75 |
Ahecht | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 303 | 94 | 219 | 76 |
Dr vulpes | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 322 | 99 | 195 | 76 |
Rsjaffe | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 319 | 89 | 208 | 78 |
ThadeusOfNazereth | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 321 | 88 | 207 | 78 |
SilverLocust | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 347 | 74 | 195 | 82 |
Queen of Hearts | AE | Successful | 4 Nov 2024 | 389 | 105 | 122 | 79 |
The community grants administrator access to trusted users, so nominees should have been on Wikipedia long enough for people to determine whether they are trustworthy. Administrators are held to high standards of conduct because other editors often turn to them for help and advice, and because they have access to tools that can have a negative impact on users or content if carelessly applied.
Nomination standards
The only formal prerequisite for adminship is having an extended confirmed account on Wikipedia (500 edits and 30 days of experience).[1] However, the community usually looks for candidates with much more experience and those without are generally unlikely to succeed at gaining adminship. The community looks for a variety of factors in candidates and discussion can be intense. To get an insight of what the community is looking for, you could review some successful and some unsuccessful RfAs, or start an RfA candidate poll.
If you are unsure about nominating yourself or another user for adminship, you may first wish to consult a few editors you respect to get an idea of what the community might think of your request. There is also a list of editors willing to consider nominating you. Editors interested in becoming administrators might explore adoption by a more experienced user to gain experience. They may also add themselves to Category:Wikipedia administrator hopefuls; a list of names and some additional information are automatically maintained at Wikipedia:List of administrator hopefuls. The RfA guide and the miniguide might be helpful, while Advice for RfA candidates will let you evaluate whether or not you are ready to be an admin.
Nominations
To nominate either yourself or another user for adminship, follow these instructions. If you wish to nominate someone else, check with them before making the nomination page. Nominations may only be added by the candidate or after the candidate has signed the acceptance of the nomination.
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Expressing opinions
All Wikipedians—including those without an account or not logged in ("anons")—are welcome to comment and ask questions in an RfA. Numerated (#) "votes" in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections may only be placed by editors with an extended confirmed account.[2] Other comments are welcomed in the general comments section at the bottom of the page, and comments by editors who are not extended confirmed may be moved to this section if mistakenly placed elsewhere.
If you are relatively new to contributing to Wikipedia, or if you have not yet participated on many RfAs, please consider first reading "Advice for RfA voters".
There is a limit of two questions per editor, with relevant follow-ups permitted. The two-question limit cannot be circumvented by asking questions that require multiple answers (e.g. asking the candidate what they would do in each of five scenarios). The candidate may respond to the comments of others. Certain comments may be discounted if there are suspicions of fraud; these may be the contributions of very new editors, sockpuppets, or meatpuppets. Please explain your opinion by including a short explanation of your reasoning. Your input (positive or negative) will carry more weight if supported by evidence.
To add a comment, click the "Voice your opinion" link for the candidate. Always be respectful towards others in your comments. Constructive criticism will help the candidate make proper adjustments and possibly fare better in a future RfA attempt. Note that bureaucrats have been authorized by the community to clerk at RfA, so they may appropriately deal with comments and !votes which they deem to be inappropriate. You may wish to review arguments to avoid in adminship discussions. Irrelevant questions may be removed or ignored, so please stay on topic.
The RfA process attracts many Wikipedians and some may routinely oppose many or most requests; other editors routinely support many or most requests. Although the community currently endorses the right of every Wikipedian with an account to participate, one-sided approaches to RfA voting have been labeled as "trolling" by some. Before commenting or responding to comments (especially to Oppose comments with uncommon rationales or which feel like baiting) consider whether others are likely to treat it as influential, and whether RfA is an appropriate forum for your point. Try hard not to fan the fire. Remember, the bureaucrats who close discussions have considerable experience and give more weight to constructive comments than unproductive ones.
Discussion, decision, and closing procedures
Most nominations will remain active for a minimum of seven days from the time the nomination is posted on this page, during which users give their opinions, ask questions, and make comments. This discussion process is not a vote (it is sometimes referred to as a !vote, using the computer science negation symbol). At the end of the discussion period, a bureaucrat will review the discussion to see whether there is a consensus for promotion. Consensus at RfA is not determined by surpassing a numerical threshold, but by the strength of rationales presented. In practice, most RfAs above 75% support pass.
In December 2015 the community determined that in general, RfAs that finish between 65 and 75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats (so, therefore, almost all RfAs below 65% will fail). However, a request for adminship is first and foremost a consensus-building process.[3] In calculating an RfA's percentage, only numbered Support and Oppose comments are considered. Neutral comments are ignored for calculating an RfA's percentage, but they (and other relevant information) are considered for determining consensus by the closing bureaucrat.
In nominations where consensus is unclear, detailed explanations behind Support or Oppose comments will have more impact than positions with no explanations or simple comments such as "yep" and "no way".[4] A nomination may be closed as successful only by bureaucrats. In exceptional circumstances, bureaucrats may extend RfAs beyond seven days or restart the nomination to make consensus clearer. They may also close nominations early if success is unlikely and leaving the application open has no likely benefit, and the candidate may withdraw their application at any time for any reason.
If uncontroversial, any user in good standing can close a request that has no chance of passing in accordance with WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW. Do not close any requests that you have taken part in, or those that have even a slim chance of passing, unless you are the candidate and you are withdrawing your application. In the case of vandalism, improper formatting, or a declined or withdrawn nomination, non-bureaucrats may also delist a nomination. A list of procedures to close an RfA may be found at WP:Bureaucrats. If your nomination fails, then please wait for a reasonable period of time before renominating yourself or accepting another nomination. Some candidates have tried again and succeeded within three months, but many editors prefer to wait considerably longer before reapplying.
Monitors
In the 2024 RfA review, the community authorized designated administrators and bureaucrats to act as monitors to moderate discussion at RfA. The monitors can either self-select when an RfA starts, or can be chosen ahead of time by the candidate privately. Monitors may not be involved with the candidate, may not nominate the candidate, may not !vote in the RfA, and may not close the RfA, although if the monitor is a bureaucrat they may participate in the RfA's bureaucrat discussion. In addition to normal moderation tools, monitors may remove !votes from the tally or from the discussion entirely at their discretion when the !vote contains significant policy violations that must be struck or otherwise redacted and provides no rational basis for its position – or when the comment itself is a blockable offense. The text of the !vote can still be struck and/or redacted as normal. Monitors are encouraged to review the RfA regularly. Admins and bureaucrats who are not monitors may still enforce user conduct policies and guidelines at RfA as normal.[5]
Current nominations
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- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Vote here (47/0/1) ending 05:27 October 18, 2005 (UTC)
Tregoweth (talk · contribs) – A HUGE help in helping slay vandals, especially in light of the all-out assault by the troll nicknamed "Mascot Guy." Great work, great fun and a great asset to this site. Please support! - Lucky 6.9 05:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept the nomination. tregoweth 06:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
Support
- Extreme first support vote. I was going to nominate him myself, but I am a lazy slacker and I kept forgetting. Sorry. Gamaliel 06:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Strong support. This user has put in an amazing number of edits (not to fall victim to editcountitis, but over 16,000 edits shows strong commitment to the project). I don't see any problems with giving Tregoweth the mop. Ral315 WS 06:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Aw, nuts! I forgot to support my own candidate! - Lucky 6.9 17:04, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 21:18, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Strong Support OMG 16,000 edits Top VandalSlayer and not a Admin Im in shock --JAranda | watz sup 21:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Martin 21:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Strong support. Andre (talk) 21:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oran e (t) (c) (@) 22:11, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. El_C 22:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support CambridgeBayWeather 22:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support fellow vandal slayer ≈ jossi fresco ≈ 23:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Private Butcher 23:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Christopher Parham (talk) 00:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Kirill Lokshin 00:49, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, although I am not sure why it took so long. Rje 01:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support it's about time --Rogerd 02:32, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Access to the rollback tool would be a benefit. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:11, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support with the quickness. Proto t c 09:05, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- -- (drini's page|☎) 05:43, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. If drini supports, then you must be a good user.
- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhetoricalwater (talk • contribs) 14:38, October 14, 2005 UTC
- Support. --Kbdank71 14:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- EXTREME COPYCAT SUPPORT. RfA cliché--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 16:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support I hold any great vandal slayer in high regard, especially this one. Banes 17:02, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oh, such a cliche, but still quite true: You mean he's not already an admin?! Yes, full Support; level-headed and even-handed and good vandal-fighter. -- Antaeus Feldspar 18:17, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. --Fire Star 02:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. -- DS1953 05:59, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support if he teaches that picture of Johnson, on his userpage, how to read. ∞Who?¿? 08:15, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support /me hands you a Vorpal Sword of Vandal Slaying +6 ALKIVAR™ 10:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support - Guettarda 13:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Dlyons493 Talk 16:23, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 16:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- First-time-ever-voting-on-an-RfA-support ♥purplefeltangel (talk) ♥ (contribs) 18:45, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Absolutely ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 23:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, good work. feydey 23:37, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Get them kid! Shauri smile! 04:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, strong contributer. BD2412 talk 05:06, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support.encephalon 06:06, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Furry Alien Support will make fine admin. Alf melmac 07:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- That's hot. Mike H (Talking is hot) 08:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. --Anetode 12:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. --Bhadani 13:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support -- Francs2000 22:36, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Definite support. +sj + 01:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, good editor and patroller --Saluyot 01:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. If I recognise a name on RFA nowadays it must be a good candidate. JFW | T@lk 03:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. sɪzlæk [ +t, +c, +m, +e ] 11:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. the wub "?!" 16:25, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Hoary 12:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Oppose
Neutral
- Answers to the questions set below are very short. Astrotrain 21:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Did you want War and Peace? Mike H (Talking is hot) 08:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- No, but he has written much less than any other candidate, it would have been better to specify what specific areas he was pleased with, and give examples of what conflicts he was involved in. Astrotrain 21:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Did you want War and Peace? Mike H (Talking is hot) 08:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Comments
Questions for the candidate
A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
- A. A lot of my edits now are housekeeping of one form or another (copyediting, reverting bad edits, watching for vandalism, etc.); I expect as a sysop I would continue this, along with helping other people with speedy deletes, page moves, renames, and all of the other things I've asked of admins. :)
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A. Probably my work on categories and disambiguation pages; I'm always pleased when I can make articles easier for someone to find.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A. I have had a few minor conflicts (usually resolved), and some users have caused me stress, but I try to remain calm and reasonable.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Vote here (28/0/0) ending 17:03 19th October (UTC)
Jcw69 (talk · contribs) – Jcw69 is an experienced, dedicated user, who has been here since May, 2004. For those with editcountititis, he has well over 3500 edits. Jcw69 has almost single handedly written the geography of South Africa (in terms of places in South Africa) on wikipedia, in addition to many articles pertaining to that country's military and people. He also makes full use of edit summaries. In conclusion, he is a fine editor whom I believe ought to be given the mop. Banes 17:03, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:Thank you Banes, I accept this nomination--Jcw69 11:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Support
- Pre Nomination Support Good User --JAranda | yeah 19:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support As nominator. You stole my spot, I thought he had to accept before anyone could vote! Banes 07:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Any editor of South African pages knows Jcw69 Wizzy…☎ 06:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support He's a polite and dedicated editor, who has contributed a staggering amount on South Africa. Impi 08:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support per Impi. freestylefrappe 18:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Another nomination where the vote here link does not work. CambridgeBayWeather 18:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. In looking through your talk page, I see that the Wikipedia community thinks very highly of you. So, if it's not too premature, welcome aboard. Denelson83 18:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support MONGO 20:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, sure. --Bjarki 20:25, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 21:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. El_C 22:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Private Butcher 23:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support.Oran e (t) (c) (@) 00:06, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. As above. Christopher Parham (talk) 00:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support --Rogerd 02:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- -- (drini's page|☎) 05:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. A good lad, he'll go far--Xiphon 06:12, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. A good and experienced editor – invaluable contributions, particularly in South Africa and related articles – not much work in the Wikipedia namespace yet, but given the challenge I've no doubt he'll rise to it. --Bruce1ee 09:20, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. It's about time. - Darwinek 09:42, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support lots of excellent work. Dlyons493 Talk 16:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support to the guy in the green jersey with the 'bok on it. Grutness...wha? 00:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support: --Bhadani 13:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support -- Great work so far, I only expect it to continue! dewet|™ 17:46, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support -- Francs2000 22:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. sɪzlæk [ +t, +c, +m, +e ] 11:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Proto t c 12:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Reperire 12:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Elf-friend 14:50, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Support. The Minister of War 10:04, 20 October 2005 (UTC)Only now noticed voting's over! The Minister of War
Oppose
Oppose till user sets/enables his email id. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- opps, did not know that was needed, anyway I think it is enabled now. (set it in preferences). Thanks for the heads up --Jcw69 19:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- It's not a strict requirement, but Nichalp feels (and I tend to concur) that if you're going to be able to block somebody, they need to be able to email you since they won't be able to post on your talk page. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 21:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I believe there was such a requirement about a year back. I have no idea how it got lost in the everchanging rules. Thanks Lomn, but it's not only that. There are many situations that require some level private conversation. Issues on users for example, or perhaps on some policies. Everthing on WP can be retrieved, and so of course this is not the best medium to discuss such private matters. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:43, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- It's not a strict requirement, but Nichalp feels (and I tend to concur) that if you're going to be able to block somebody, they need to be able to email you since they won't be able to post on your talk page. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 21:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral
Comments
- According to nom, "Makes full use of edit summaries". Edit summary usage is 40%, 80% over last 500 edits, 77% over last 100. --Durin 18:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- When I said that, I meant over the recent ones. Banes 19:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, I realise that I have been overlook the edit summaries but I am working on it. --Jcw69 19:47, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
- A. My main goal is to put South Africa (and the rest of Africa) onto the Wikipedia map but as an administrator I’ll need to increase my work into other fields. For example not to be limited by geography and to increase my RC watch making sure that the vandals don’t get out of hand. An administrator needs to be open, approachable and transparent. Be able to listen and with the mentorship of other administrators make the right decisions. This is something that I will strive to be and with the proper guidance I believe I will be a successful administrator. Jcw
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A. I am never entirely satisfied with any of my contributions because they always need improvement. In the beginning when I was novice, I made many mistakes but I think I have come a long way since then. This will stand me in good stead as an administrator because I’ve been there, done it and have the “bruises to show”. If I had to choose, it would be the Timeline of South African history with all its pages off it. The reason why: The pages have taken a long time to get where they have and they are many more years of work and information ahead to get them to a standard where I am completely satisfied. Jcw
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A. Not what I call conflicts. I have been in disagreement with other users but most of the time I just listen. I like to ask a question on a discussion page and then watch the debate. The main one that comes to mind is the Battle of Spion Kop which in all South African minds should be the Battle of Spioenkop but a few disagree and used google as a weapon. Anyway a vote was taken and page left were it is. Jcw
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Vote here (26/3/1) ending 15:30 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thames (talk · contribs) – I've found Thames to be a very level-headed editor, I don't think he's ever been in a serious conflict despite the fact that he specializes in political philosophy articles that attract a lot of dispute. Take a look at his contribs, and you will find plenty of "rvv"s- articles on his watchlist apparently attract a lot of POV-pushing vandals and I think Thames will find it easier to deal with them once he has the tools. Those suffering from editcountitis will be glad to hear that he has passed the 3000 edit mark recently. While most of his edits are in article space, a quick look at his user page will show that he has a firm grasp of wikipedia policies and philosophy (note the essay at the bottom). Borisblue 15:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept Borisblue's nomination.
Support
- Borisblue 15:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support plenty of edits, and satisfactory answers. freestylefrappe 16:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. KHM03 17:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Good user. --Bjarki 20:23, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 21:16, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. El_C 22:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. If he doesn't have time to use his powers, will it really do any harm? The candidate's amount of time available to spend on Wikipedia in the future shouldn't be a primary consideration in granting or withholding admin powers.--Scimitar parley 22:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support CambridgeBayWeather 22:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Private Butcher 00:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, good user, reasons for opposition so far are weak at best. Christopher Parham (talk) 00:29, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support I simply had to oppose those who oppose on grounds of the user's lack of time. This is, in my opinion, one of the very worst reasons I see for opposing adminship. It does not mean that the project would not benefit from a user having sysop access nor does it imply that one is at all untrustworthy, uncivil, or not knowledegble about policy (although it may mean that these things take longer to show.) Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 00:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support A part time, trustworthy admin is worth having --Rogerd 02:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- I actually like the honesty of admitting not having much time. Why is it that worse than people claiming that will fix everytihng on wikipedia even if they won't? – (drini's page|☎) 05:34, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support - Lot of dedication in vandal fighting – Obradović Goran (talk 09:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support - Harmless. And many an intention to concentrate on school in favor of Wikipedia has gone awry ;) Haukur Þorgeirsson 00:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support user's on statements regarding lack of time show levelheadedness and honesty... passes my bar. ALKIVAR™ 10:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support deserves the recognition. Dlyons493 Talk 16:29, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support - I don't see how not having a lot of time to do stuff means that you should not get admin tools - having lots of people fixing stuff now and again is surely healthier than having a few obsessives working flat out. A solid editor by all accounts. Lupin|talk|popups 03:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- I think it's refreshing when a potential admin admits that he won't be on the Wikipedia 24/7. People who use that against him trouble me. Hot support. Mike H (Talking is hot) 08:51, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Andre (talk) 20:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support good admins are always useful, even if they don't edit all that often. Grue 21:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support He can have the mop, even if he doesn't use it much. -DDerby-(talk) 04:39, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Opposing due to warning that he won't be an active admin is new to me. There are several very good contributors here who have admin tools but don't use them much, Camembert is one I can think of off the top of my head. The good work and experience is enough for me to support, even though I haven't interacted with Thames much, just reviewed his contributions. Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support per Scimitar. the wub "?!" 16:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support --MONGO 03:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Inactivity shouldn't be a problem. Ral315 WS 07:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. I don't understand the insufficient activity concerns. If an editor is suitable for the tools, give them the tools. Another admin doing janitorial work once in a while is better than none at all, right? Friday (talk) 02:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support The Minister of War 10:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose (reluctantly): The answer to question 1 below is curious. You want to be an admin (you accepted the nom), but doubt you'll have time to do admin things? Why do you need the tools then? The things you say you'd like to spend time on do not need admin tools. Use of edit summaries is a touch lower than I like to see (59% overall, 76% over last 500 edits), and activity level is a bit lower than I like to see (7 edits a day over last 90 days, and that average has been slowly but steadily dropping for the last six months). Your intention of beginning a PhD program means this average will drop further. Also, I am a bit concerned about possible overuse on your part of the {{fairuse}} tag on various images that you have uploaded. About 1/4 of the images you've uploaded have been tagged with this tag, which really shouldn't be used if possible. Lastly, 352 of your last 500 edits have been marked as minor. Are you perhaps over-using the minor edit box? This edit and this edit, for example, do not seem minor to me (but I readily admit this is subjective). Convince me as to why you need/want admin tools when you won't be using them, and I'll probably change my vote. All the best, --Durin 18:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I nommed him because I noticed he does deal with a lot of vandalism despite not being an active rc-patroller- this is due to the nature of the articles he is interested in. And stuff about being busy- well, I would think that it's more important to be sure our admins don't abuse their powers rather than be sure that they do use them. There was an interesting discussion pertaining this in here. Note in particular that last comment by dab.Borisblue 18:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I appreciate your comments, as nominator, but I'm hoping for an answer from the nominee. In particular, he says "If I had the time, I would likely involve myself in this project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles". So he doesn't have time, but wants the admin tools? This doesn't make sense, to me anyways. --Durin 18:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Durin, you raise several relevant points. I wanted to make very clear that I was nominated—I didn't request the nomination myself, the reason being that I did not feel that I could find the time to perform regular maintenance tasks. That's something that everyone considering this nomination should weigh. As for your other concerns, a good portion of my edits without summaries are done to my own user page, which is the only page I edit without summarizing (perhaps I should start, but I never thought my own user page was a big deal). I also did make clear that my ability to contribute is limited by my real world activities (job, PhD), although one cannot go simply by number of edits alone—some are quite minor, like reverts, others are rather larger, like some of my recent edits to Isaac Newton, wherein I used the preview button in order to limit the number of edits I made. I only upload images when an article I'm editing needs one, and in many cases a public domain image does not exist. I am conscientious about tagging all of my images, and have been from day one. I am not indifferent, however, to the free nature of wikipedia, and my use of fair use images is not indiscriminate. Finally, you are correct that some of my edits are tagged as minor when they shouldn't be—I have the "This is a minor edit" box checked automatically in my preferences, and sometimes, when editing in haste, I forget to uncheck it. I don't mark edits as minor in some sort of attempt to obfuscate my changes from other wikipedians. Finally, I certainly don't need admin tools, but if approved to have them, I believe I could use them prudently when needed. Yours, —thames 20:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I nommed him because I noticed he does deal with a lot of vandalism despite not being an active rc-patroller- this is due to the nature of the articles he is interested in. And stuff about being busy- well, I would think that it's more important to be sure our admins don't abuse their powers rather than be sure that they do use them. There was an interesting discussion pertaining this in here. Note in particular that last comment by dab.Borisblue 18:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. User admits to not having the time to do admin chores. Also, with the projects that he/she wants to be involved in, no admin powers are needed. User is a good editor, though. I will support when he/she is "ready". Oran e (t) (c) (@) 22:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose WHats the point of having admin powers if you don't have the time. And if you did't want to be nominated you could have just declined. Jobe6 23:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral
- Remaining neutral - this is a good user who could benefit from having admin abilities, however openly admits to not having the time to actually do admin things. – Francs2000 22:40, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Comments
- I would like to quote dab in a recent wikipedia talk comment, since he has wise advice that deals with admins that can't commit that much time to Wikipedia. Context is found here: Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Archive_29#Do_we_need_more_admins.3F Borisblue 18:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I notice there are a lot of nominations lately. Having enough admins is good, because it lets us be picky about candidates. If there is some doubt, or if they do not clearly have enough experience, vote oppose. However, if the candidate is obviously good, there is no reason not to vote for them. Note that not all admins spend all day fixing things. I'm one, and I don't feel obliged to clean up after WoW when I prefer to spend my time adding content (I'm not paid for this after all) So, while I make occasional good use of my admin powers, blocking the odd vandal here or deleting some nonsense there, I am not a dedicated member of the mopping-up squad. Now, 5,000 good editors doing the occasional admin work are at least as good as 50 full-time admins. Bottom line, be picky, but keep nominating trusted users! dab (ᛏ) 21:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC) (quote by Borisblue)
- The number of pages and articles per admin has been steady over the last month, as has the # of edits per day per admin. I don't see any reason to be less picky about who we select. I personally like to see active admins. I always have. That does not cast any judgement on the worthiness of an editor. --Durin 18:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- I notice there are a lot of nominations lately. Having enough admins is good, because it lets us be picky about candidates. If there is some doubt, or if they do not clearly have enough experience, vote oppose. However, if the candidate is obviously good, there is no reason not to vote for them. Note that not all admins spend all day fixing things. I'm one, and I don't feel obliged to clean up after WoW when I prefer to spend my time adding content (I'm not paid for this after all) So, while I make occasional good use of my admin powers, blocking the odd vandal here or deleting some nonsense there, I am not a dedicated member of the mopping-up squad. Now, 5,000 good editors doing the occasional admin work are at least as good as 50 full-time admins. Bottom line, be picky, but keep nominating trusted users! dab (ᛏ) 21:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC) (quote by Borisblue)
- Since I'm not familiar with the candidate, no vote, just a comment: what does it matter if he won't have much time to do admin chores? It's not as though promoting him takes up a place someone who has more time might get; there's no limit. If he also does a little, that a little less work everyone else has to do. I don't believe there's any reason to deny a trustworthy editor admin rights. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Getting somewhat ahead of yourself, aren't you? jguk 16:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Hehe, I like to think positive. If it doesn't work out, it can easily be changed. —thames 22:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
- A. Unfortunately, this is an area where I may not be able to shine as an administrator. My real world job, and the fact that I'm going to be applying to PhD programs in the next month or two, will mean that I will have very little time to perform regular maintenance, or assist in various projects. My own watchlist is rather small (about 500 articles), and I'm mostly concerned with defending article quality there. If I had the time, I would likely involve myself in this project: Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles. (In real life, I was able to go to the DC Wikipedian's meetup, which I very much enjoyed, and was able to advise on the founding of the U.S. Chapter of Wikimedia.) But as far as chores, I just don't have the time right now, and that's worth considering as you vote on my nomination.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A. I've been a regular participant in the Wikipedia Collaborations of the Week, which I think is a very important community institution. I also helped to create the Wikipedia:Collaborations overview page, in order to assist others in setting up more collaborations. In the real world, I'm a research assistant in a think tank, so a large number of my contributions come out of my reading: either news stories on current events, or history books. Some of my most contentitious editing has been in various templates (Template:Christianity, Template:Islam, Template:Communism sidebar) where I've consistently tried to fight bloat and enforce talk page consensus. I've also worked on NPOV issues, such as the Rendition page, which I created, and on Neoconservatism (Japan), which I also created. Some of my larger and longer contributions are Geopolitik, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Oswald Spengler, and Decline of the West—all of which are still works in progress.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A. I've had one instance of copyvio, which I disputed because I didn't think that corporate bios were copyrighted (see my talk page). Outside of that, I've not had any particular transgressions. As I said above, most of my editing conflicts were in trying to enforce talk page consensus and anti-bloat measures on templates. I had a bit of a tiff over whether the dissolution of the Soviet Union counted as Decolonization, where, again, I relented. I defended Neoconservatism (Japan) from VFD, where I cited enough sources that those opposed to my article relented. I defended Chickenhawk (politics) from User:Walabio's very POV assertions. Other than those relatively minor incidents, I've not really had any full-out conflicts with other users, something I'm particularly proud of. Generally, if you approach others with respect, cite your sources calmly, and let other Wikipedians know that you enjoy editing with them, most conflicts can be avoided before they have a chance to begin.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Final (38/11/3) ending 01:10 October 19, 2005 (UTC)
Freestylefrappe (talk · contribs) – This is Freestylefrappe's second nomination (May 2005 was the first) after an earlier self nomination failed essentially to not enough edits (only about 450 at that time). Today, Kate's tool shows a total of almost 3,000 edits for those that care about edit counts. Freestylefrappe is well rounded; he almost always uses edit summaries, contributes to Wiki namespace, has made big contributions of quality to numerous articles, doesn't engage in edit wars, utilizes talk pages and is an overall asset to Wikipedia. He has been around for over a year and has familiarity with six languages. Time for a mop and a bucket MONGO 01:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I gratefully accept. freestylefrappe 01:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Support
- Support As nominator, absolutely! MONGO 01:11, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support does not fit my opposing criteria. --Bjarki 02:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support --JAranda | watz sup 02:18, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support RfA cliche #1. -Greg Asche (talk) 02:19, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, he seems to do good work. Christopher Parham (talk) 02:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Can't have too many! And doesn't seem to be an Albanian, Macedonian, Pakistani, Indian, Hindu, or Ahmadi. --BorgHunter (talk) 03:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. El_C 03:25, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Jobe6 03:44, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Weak Support. This user once annoyed me about a joke I did to WikiFanatic after I already apologized days ago, so that rather ignored me that s/he (assume she) was reprimanding me for it after it was over. But otherwise the Frappe is a pretty good editor. Redwolf24 (talk—How's my driving?) 03:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Yup (I was sure he was an Albanian Hindu). Grutness...wha? 05:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. For sure! Banes 05:33, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Give him a mop`! --Rogerd 05:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merovingian (t) (c) 07:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support would have been easier if the vote here link worked. CambridgeBayWeather 07:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- S'port --Doc (?) 07:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. --Monkbel 10:48, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. the wub "?!" 11:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Frappe does good things. -Splashtalk 12:26, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. utcursch | talk 13:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. KHM03 15:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Kirill Lokshin 15:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support.Oran e (t) (c) (@) 15:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Looks to be a strong editor. Maltmomma (chat) 17:08, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support --{{IncMan|talk}} 00:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- -- (drini's page|☎) 05:23, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- —Charles P. (Mirv) 19:40, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Bring him in, boys! (And girls; no bias here.) Denelson83 22:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. CDThieme 03:05, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Molotov (talk)File:Caranimationforvmolotov.gif
- Guettarda 13:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Bratschetalk | Esperanza 19:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Good history. Dlyons493 Talk 19:14, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Jonathunder 22:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Slac speak up! 20:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Strong support -- Francs2000 22:40, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support editcountitiscountitis is fatal. Grue 21:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support —Wayward Talk 06:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Martin 09:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Oppose
Weak Oppose. I would support, but during my RfA, this user went around to other people's talk pages and told them to vote against me. He failed to assume good faith on multiple editors parts. I do not particularly care for this type of behaviour. This should be no big deal, so I should at least vote neutral since I don't mind his contributions, but I just cannot support this candidate at this time. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 14:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. --Scimitar parley 16:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. I'd have expected this user to have been a bit more proactive in solving edit disputes, especially on articles started by him. Seems to be like he is on his own track offering little assistance to the actual issues on hand. More maturity required. Idleguy 16:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. I have no objections against him as an editor, and this is the first time I ever oppose a RfA; but his attitude of contacting other users who, like him, had voted against my RfA based on edicountitis in order to establish a common baseline to oppose other "inexperienced" users from becoming admins [1], dissapointed me. Shauri smile! 00:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose, I am sorry Freestylefrappe, but learning how important you feel edit counts to be, I'd rather see you get more experience, first. If your vote should fail, see that as an opportunity in your personal evolution as a Wikipedian.--Wiglaf 06:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- He has over three thousand edits and he's been here a year. How much more experience do you think he needs? unsigned edit by CDThieme (talk · contribs)
- Since he feels that edit counts are so important that he wrote what Shauri has indicated, I really think we should give him the opportunity of building up an edit count that makes him feel worthy. He deserves that opportunity.--Wiglaf 21:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- He has over three thousand edits and he's been here a year. How much more experience do you think he needs? unsigned edit by CDThieme (talk · contribs)
- Weak Oppose. While I can place trust in you, I don't know if you know all the WP guidelines yet. Back in late August/early September in my own RfA, you said that "you cannot become an admin until you have made 1,000 edits". Sorry. --WikiFanaticTalk Contribs 23:48, 13 October 2005 (CDT)
- As I left a note below in the comments section, Freestylefrappe lost his first nomination due to a low edit count, at which time a half dozens folks then told him his edit count was too low...this is the primary reason he may have made the comments to you and to others along a similar vein.--MONGO 04:53, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Hahaha, no, see WikiFanatic's talk page and my own for an explanation. I wasnt speaking in terms of policy, I was trying to be realistic. freestylefrappe 19:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- As I left a note below in the comments section, Freestylefrappe lost his first nomination due to a low edit count, at which time a half dozens folks then told him his edit count was too low...this is the primary reason he may have made the comments to you and to others along a similar vein.--MONGO 04:53, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose per Wiglaf. Places a strong emphasis on edit counts. Andre (talk) 22:26, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- "a total of almost 3,000 edits for those that care about edit counts" (emphasis mine). A rather ironic comment. Oppose. – ugen64 02:05, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Why is that an ironic comment?--MONGO 05:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- In regard to the last five users who have voted oppose, RFA voting style has nothing to do with being an admin. It does not reflect my experience with Wikipedia nor does it have any connection to how I will use sysop privleges. You are voting against me based on a longstanding and precedented policy of requiring a certain number of edits. Perhaps you have not seen Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Standards...? Or perhaps you had seen that page, but were unaware of my Userpage where I state a minimum of 1,000 edits - which, compared to the standards of many other users, some of whom are admins, would seem small. freestylefrappe 03:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, the fact that your RfA votes usually look like "oppose, per so-and-so" shows a worrisome lack of communication. This RfA is the first time I've opposed without stating my reasons, and I did it to show you exactly how frustrating it can be to a candidate when the opposition refuses to say why they distrust you.--Scimitar parley 17:45, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Never have I once given any objection regarding your not stating your reasons. If you have a problem with voting per another user you should make a suggestion of changing Wikipedia policy. freestylefrappe 19:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- No, but I state my reasons. My problem is that an admin voting should give reasons for his vote- they should adhere to the spirit, not the letter, of policy, and should realize that it can be frustrating for candidates when they see "Oppose- less than 3000 edits" and then you underneath going "Oppose, per above". Admins should be models in communication.--Scimitar parley 14:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Never have I once given any objection regarding your not stating your reasons. If you have a problem with voting per another user you should make a suggestion of changing Wikipedia policy. freestylefrappe 19:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, the fact that your RfA votes usually look like "oppose, per so-and-so" shows a worrisome lack of communication. This RfA is the first time I've opposed without stating my reasons, and I did it to show you exactly how frustrating it can be to a candidate when the opposition refuses to say why they distrust you.--Scimitar parley 17:45, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- In regard to the last five users who have voted oppose, RFA voting style has nothing to do with being an admin. It does not reflect my experience with Wikipedia nor does it have any connection to how I will use sysop privleges. You are voting against me based on a longstanding and precedented policy of requiring a certain number of edits. Perhaps you have not seen Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Standards...? Or perhaps you had seen that page, but were unaware of my Userpage where I state a minimum of 1,000 edits - which, compared to the standards of many other users, some of whom are admins, would seem small. freestylefrappe 03:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Why is that an ironic comment?--MONGO 05:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose, sneaky personal attack on the user page? Not nice. Proto t c 10:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- And I really don't care for contributions like this, this and this - let people decide to vote to oppose/support a candidacy for adminship under their own steam. Proto t c 15:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- As repeatedly stated, Freestylefrappe lost his first adminship attempt because many thought his edit count was too low along a similar voting train of thought as the one you did here. We all have standards either advertised or not that we follow for such things.--MONGO 20:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- I don't understand what point you're trying to make. See my comment below. Proto t c 11:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- As repeatedly stated, Freestylefrappe lost his first adminship attempt because many thought his edit count was too low along a similar voting train of thought as the one you did here. We all have standards either advertised or not that we follow for such things.--MONGO 20:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- I simply informed other users that their stated requirements were not met by a user up for adminship. I neither suggested they vote oppose nor did I make any outstanding remarks. If you look at Comics' talkpage you'll notice I offered to re-nominate him after he got more experience. freestylefrappe 19:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- I would imagine users are simply able to inform themselves of how to vote. I don't like vote influencing. Proto t c 11:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- And I really don't care for contributions like this, this and this - let people decide to vote to oppose/support a candidacy for adminship under their own steam. Proto t c 15:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose per Proto. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 22:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sorry, I have to agree with Proto. The "get out the vote" campaigns show poor judgment. Garnering for "oppose" votes on user talk pages shows poor judgment, and it once became an ArbCom issue. The case here is much less severe, but it still makes me uneasy. Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:55, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, as I'm not really happy with FSF's response to the criticisms above. Radiant_>|< 21:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Oppose, per Proto. Even if his actions were in response to his previously being denied adminship, that doesn't mean he needs to run around ensuring that no one else with low edit counts becomes an admin either. It seems kind of immature, and isn't the kind of person who I would like to see be an admin. Also, I think that people should use {{subst:test}} as an initial warning on a talk page, instead of [2], in the spirit of Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. --Kewp (t) 15:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)- Oppose. A confrontational attitude is not desirable in an admin. Friday (talk) 02:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Oppose From weak neutral, after I suddenly found this on my talk page<Please remove "not even Durin...". This is inappropriate and pointless. freestylefrappe 02:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)> Unfortunately, this confirms, in my mind, the concerns raised here. Much anger is there in this one. Better inappropriate and pointless than confrontational and humorless. Clearly lacks the temperment to be an effective Sysop.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 04:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Question: Do the last 2 votes in oppose count since they were made after the deadline? I think the ending should be the 20th and not the 19th, but that still questions the last two oppose votes.--MONGO 05:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- If so Kewp's oppose vote also has to count. He only stroke it because he thought the vote was over.--Wiglaf 06:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- It is long established principle that all 'votes' count until a 'crat closes the debate. Same principle applies to AfD etc etc too. As long as the question is open, everyone is invited to join in. -Splashtalk 12:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Then why have it open for 7 days to a set time and date if it isn't going to be followed? What good are rules like that if they aren't strictly enforced? You don't need a 'crat to close an AfD vote anyway.--MONGO 13:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- On AFD dbeates people may, and do vote after the five (or six)-day deadline has passed. The rules mean that closing a debate prematurely is disallowed, it does not forbid postponments of the closure. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Then why have it read as "ending 01:10 October 19, 2005 (UTC)" Ending....are we now waiting for the "missing chads"? It matters not when a 'crat decides to close the debate part, I just don't see why votes after the time which says "ending" should count. Oh well.--MONGO 13:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- I think b-crat may ignore the votes being cast after the deadline, at least that's how I was promoted. After the voting time for me finished, I opposed some other nomination and then I got oppose vote from one of his supporters. I don't think that was counted. Grue 14:22, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Then why have it read as "ending 01:10 October 19, 2005 (UTC)" Ending....are we now waiting for the "missing chads"? It matters not when a 'crat decides to close the debate part, I just don't see why votes after the time which says "ending" should count. Oh well.--MONGO 13:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- On AFD dbeates people may, and do vote after the five (or six)-day deadline has passed. The rules mean that closing a debate prematurely is disallowed, it does not forbid postponments of the closure. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:43, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Then why have it open for 7 days to a set time and date if it isn't going to be followed? What good are rules like that if they aren't strictly enforced? You don't need a 'crat to close an AfD vote anyway.--MONGO 13:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- It is long established principle that all 'votes' count until a 'crat closes the debate. Same principle applies to AfD etc etc too. As long as the question is open, everyone is invited to join in. -Splashtalk 12:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- If so Kewp's oppose vote also has to count. He only stroke it because he thought the vote was over.--Wiglaf 06:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- Question: Do the last 2 votes in oppose count since they were made after the deadline? I think the ending should be the 20th and not the 19th, but that still questions the last two oppose votes.--MONGO 05:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Neutral
- Generally, I haven't had a bad experience with him, but he needs to steer clear of taking sides in petty disputes. Aside from that, good work. a.n.o.n.y.m t 01:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Neutral I'm neutral on this one after reading the comments on this users behavior by Lord Voldemort, and Anonymous editor. Private Butcher 15:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Weak Neutral. Changed vote from oppose. I still am a bit wary of his/her behavior (see my last vote above), but he/she has been a great sport in responding to private emails. I guess it's no big deal. Good luck, my friend. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 14:15, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Weak Neutral Although I'm impressed by the contributions, there is something about this candidate's style I find confrontational and perhaps a wee bit vindictive. While I've yet to have any direct dealings with the nominee, I cannot bring myself to support.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 02:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Comments
- I would like to take this as an opportunity to clear up some misconceptions. For the record, I am and have never been an Albanian, Macedonian, Pakistani, Indian, Hindu, or Ahmadi. In the near future I plan on adding John Adams' Second State of the Union Address, and a page on October 11 2005 letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqawi. freestylefrappe 01:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Does he really speak 720 languages? — JIP | Talk 05:25, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- No Jip, the parenthesis denote multiplication, so he actually speacks 4320 languages -- (drini's page|☎) 05:23, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, the number in parens could be an order of magnitude - 6! = 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 = 720; so six (6!) could mean 6 to the 720th power. My calculator does not go that high. BD2412 talk 03:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- The "Vote Here" link doesn't appear to be working on this nomination...anyone know how to fix it?--MONGO 10:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- After going through his edit history exhaustively, I see that many of the articles he has created and or worked on would possibly be in areas that would cause friction as far as substance and following NPOV and in the few cases in which he had difficulty with this, it was months ago. But in none of those, did I notice any POV pushing, hostility, or edit warring...a pretty big achievement considering the potentially of angry debate due to the subject matter.--MONGO 20:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Voters should bear in mind that Freestylefrappe's first nomination failed primarily because of his low edit numbers, hence his apparent concern over edit counts for all admin nominations.
- "Even if his actions were in response to his previously being denied adminship, that doesn't mean he needs to run around ensuring that no one else with low edit counts becomes an admin either. It seems kind of immature, and isn't the kind of person who I would like to see be an admin. Extremely well put by Kewp. Shauri smile! 13:44, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- For any curious users: [for adminship/Shauri]. Wiglaf nominated, Scimitar is number 10, Andre is 13, Sjakkalle is 16, and Radiant! is 25. I can understand - and believe Andre, Sjakkalle, and Radiant!'s votes as legitimate concerns that have nothing to do with that RFA. Scimitar, Wiglaf, and Shauri are trying to pick a fight with me over one vote. Shauri's comment to ALKIVAR is contradictory to her oppose vote here, "if the number of edits is what matters to you, I guess I can understand". freestylefrappe 00:38, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- I'm truly sorry that you think that way, Freestyle. But I know my motives for opposing, and they have nothing to do with edit count, and even less with a personal issue. In fact, if you read my argumentation, I clearly state that "I have nothing against (you) as an editor". I believe my reasons are expressed clearly, and they are closely related to Sjakkalle's: it's the "get out the vote" campaign based on editcountitis that you clearly stated you were trying to organize against other users' RfAs what I found distasteful. By then, my own RfA was over, so I was safe from it; but not other users whose own nominations were active. Furthermore, such campaigns have nothing intrinsecally bad from my humble point of view, but it's their objectives that define them; and I definetely consider reprehensible one specifically made to oppose your fellow editors' RfA. My comment to Alkivar is also misquoted: I meant that, if his criteria for voting was based on edit counts, I understood, I respected it and had nothing further to add; which is far from stating that I approve it, as I have shown by supporting other users whose RfAs were controverted on the grounds of editcountitis [3][4]. Your suggestion that I'm taking some sort of "revenge" on your oppose vote also fails to address the fact that I supported the RfAs of other users who, like you, had opposed mine, like RyanNorton [5] and Durin [6] (who later changed his opposal to neutral). It saddens me that you don't assume good faith in my motives, which I believed were clear. I also don't think for a minute that Wiglaf's or Scimitar's reasons can be questioned on that basis. I opposed you for that self appointed campaigning, but now, I should also add rude manners and not assuming good faith to that. I leave an open door for the future, and may well support you should this nomination fail; I even offer you sincerely my friendship, in case you want to accept it. But right now, I can't betray the dictates of my conscience. Shauri smile! 11:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- I back Shauri up all the way here. Learn to assume good faith and Wikipedia:civility if you ever hope to become an admin. Moreover, your conspiratory work against Shauri's nomination and your groundless assumption about a conspiracy here convinces me that it is right of me to oppose your nomination. Don't judge others by yourself.--Wiglaf 12:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
- I'm truly sorry that you think that way, Freestyle. But I know my motives for opposing, and they have nothing to do with edit count, and even less with a personal issue. In fact, if you read my argumentation, I clearly state that "I have nothing against (you) as an editor". I believe my reasons are expressed clearly, and they are closely related to Sjakkalle's: it's the "get out the vote" campaign based on editcountitis that you clearly stated you were trying to organize against other users' RfAs what I found distasteful. By then, my own RfA was over, so I was safe from it; but not other users whose own nominations were active. Furthermore, such campaigns have nothing intrinsecally bad from my humble point of view, but it's their objectives that define them; and I definetely consider reprehensible one specifically made to oppose your fellow editors' RfA. My comment to Alkivar is also misquoted: I meant that, if his criteria for voting was based on edit counts, I understood, I respected it and had nothing further to add; which is far from stating that I approve it, as I have shown by supporting other users whose RfAs were controverted on the grounds of editcountitis [3][4]. Your suggestion that I'm taking some sort of "revenge" on your oppose vote also fails to address the fact that I supported the RfAs of other users who, like you, had opposed mine, like RyanNorton [5] and Durin [6] (who later changed his opposal to neutral). It saddens me that you don't assume good faith in my motives, which I believed were clear. I also don't think for a minute that Wiglaf's or Scimitar's reasons can be questioned on that basis. I opposed you for that self appointed campaigning, but now, I should also add rude manners and not assuming good faith to that. I leave an open door for the future, and may well support you should this nomination fail; I even offer you sincerely my friendship, in case you want to accept it. But right now, I can't betray the dictates of my conscience. Shauri smile! 11:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
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- 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
- A. Most of my sysop-related activities would be closing afd debates and reverting vandalism. Especially the latter as I have found my edits increasingly taken up by reverting anonymously added nonsense. I think the role of administrator should act more as a pacifier than a settler of a contentious dispute.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A. John Adams' First State of the Union Address and List of Christian terms in Arabic were some of the better ones. Robert Davis of New Orleans will probably see a lot of action, and Terrorism in Pakistan has had an unusually high edit response. See also: the slightly outdated Pages I started
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A. The Slavic Macedonian Culture page has generated a large amount of pov pushing, and endless moving (though this seems to have toned down to legitimate disambiguation). Most of this seems to stem not from a dispute over this page in particular, but a larger argument over the use of Macedonia verus Republic of Macedonia. Qiyamah - which I rewrote and expanded upon, triggered a series of reverts between myself and one other user, Universaliss, who is no longer active. Univ. insisted on deleting huge amounts of information, and spent his last few edits blanking the page except for comments like "F*** Islam."
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Final count (24/0/0) ended 17:21 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Kzollman (talk · contribs) – Kevin is a dedicated Wikipedian, who has accumulated 2297 since he first edited on 1 March 2005. He started the successful WikiProject Game theory which he clearly puts a lot of effort into. Judging from his contributions he would certainly make good use of the various admin capabilities. He is also very calm, polite, rational and easy to work with. Martin 17:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
- I accept. Thank you very much, Martin! --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 18:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Support
- Wholeheartedly Martin 18:55, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, he should be an admin. Banes 19:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, I think he would make a good admin. Private Butcher 19:07, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. An ambitious project; fine contributions. Marskell 20:28, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Oran e (t) (c) (@) 20:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, nice contributions, I just spent 20 minutes browsing. Christopher Parham (talk) 22:48, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Very active in AFD --JAranda | yeah 00:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Merovingian (t) (c) 01:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support plenty of edits. freestylefrappe 02:10, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support, seems harmless. --Bjarki 02:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- In wikipedia 2.0 this will read "mostly harmless" :) --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 03:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. El_C 03:25, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support --Rogerd 05:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support CambridgeBayWeather 07:40, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support enough experience, great WikiProject, seems calm --Monkbel 10:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support beyond remarkable work on the game theory wikiproject, I've been struck by his patient and constructive dealings with people I'd have dismissed as vandals. Sharp, long fuse, has my vote. Pete.Hurd 04:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- -- (drini's page|☎) 05:32, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Always found his contributions civil and to the point. Dlyons493 Talk 01:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support have seen this editor about the place, I believe will used the mop wisely. Alf melmac 07:12, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support -- Francs2000 23:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Good, level-headed editor. Xoloz 15:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support. Have had great interaction with this editor and definitely helps with the necessary cleanup!! >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist • E@ 02:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support --MONGO 02:55, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- Support Ran into Kevin a few times in his drive to add Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy links to WP: struck me as a careful and disciplined editor, should be a good admin --- Charles Stewart 03:20, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
- I second Pete Hurd's sentiments. encephalon 14:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Oppose
Neutral
Comments
Questions for the candidate
A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? (Please read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.)
- A. Probably most often I would use the rollback button to correct tests and vandalism that I come across on my watchlist. I would also help close AfDs and help sort through the backlog of copyright tagged articles (in homage to Martin :). I like to find things that don't require real deep thought to do when I'm tired, and I think these two would satisfy that desire. I'm pretty game to help out wherever people need help, except RC patrol. If I do that for too many days in a row it starts to feed my misanthropic tenancies too much. --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 18:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A. I just (yesterday) posted a substantially rewritten version of the Game theory article. Although, I was planning to work on it for another week, the Nobel committee inspired my haste. I'm really happy with how it turned out. I have also worked on a lot of game theory games. Of those, I'm probably most proud of Stag hunt and Centipede game (although, I'm happy with all of them; see my userpage for a list). --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 18:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A. As I said above, RC patrol freaked me out a bit. I don't think I really did anything inappropriate when I was regularly doing RC patrol, it just made me too anxious (especially for what is my hobby) Nowadays, I only deal with a few vandal/testers a day on my watch list. With respect to disputes, I try to deal with them in a couple different ways. First, I think often the prudent action is to ignore it. Obviously, one should not feed trolls, but also I try to stay out of conflicts when others are handling them well. Although I dealt with many of Dot Six's edits, I really didn't try to deal with him myself. Other users were doing a great job trying to reason with him, and I thought my jumping in would just cause more confusion and turmoil. When I need to deal with someone regarding content, I try to always both keep myself calm and take whatever action I think will help defuse the other user. After using an impolite edit summary [7], I think I handled a conflict with User:Wragge well here. Also, I think its always important to cite sources for one's arguments, this keeps egos from getting too involved (for example, see my discussion at Talk:Complete information). --best, kevin ···Kzollman | Talk··· 18:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason (gotta love the name) has been around since February, is approaching 1,000 edits, and is an active member of the Wikipedia community. I think he would make a fine admin. -- Danny
Thank you for the nomination, i accept --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 11:50, 2004 May 18 (UTC)- My name is Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason and i approve this message;) --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 21:48, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
Support:
- Seems cool-headed (would you expect otherwise from someone from Iceland?) -- Viajero 11:53, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
- Support - good choice. 172 13:23, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason (gotta love the name) has been around since February, is approaching 1,000 edits, and is an active member of the Wikipedia community. I think he would make a fine admin. -- Danny (taken from nominating statement, 172 13:28, 18 May 2004 (UTC))
- Dori | Talk 13:53, May 18, 2004 (UTC)
- Assuming that Ævar, son of Bjarmi, is not related to Halfdan the Half-troll, by way of Erik Njorl, son of Frothgar... --Wik 14:56, May 18, 2004 (UTC)
- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:04, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
- Support. --"DICK" CHENEY 17:31, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
- A user who receives support from Wik, something seen on this page about as frequently as the deity Ævar worships, has probably the most ringing endorsement one could possibly get. In fact, the sense of humor rather makes me wonder what impersonator got a hold of Wik's password. Anyway, I find nothing wrong, and the shortage of substantive edits is compensated for by the work on images. --Michael Snow 20:00, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
- Angela. 21:30, May 18, 2004 (UTC)
- Support firmly. Beelzebubs
- Cool, cool-headed, nice hair_=) --Merovingian ↕ T@Lk 06:02, May 19, 2004 (UTC)
- I suppose you'll tell me he wasn't one already. Fennec 19:21, May 19, 2004 (UTC)
- Everyking 19:27, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
- john 21:25, 19 May 2004 (UTC) My god, Wik supports somebody for adminship? And makes a joke? That's enough for me.
- Agree with John. :-) Also, no big deal if he hasn't done a lot of content writing, as long as he's trustworthy and wants to pitch in on site maintainance. Isomorphic 21:41, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
- Support. Notwithstanding 5/t typing errors. - MykReeve 22:47, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
- Support. Fredrik 18:30, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
- Support. Good image work. +sj+
- Support. Nohat 14:20, 2004 May 22 (UTC)
Oppose:
- I'd want to see more substantive edits. Charles Matthews 15:41, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
- Have to agree with Charles Matthews. Has about 800 edits but not enough breadth for me. About 100 of these concern Little Belt bridge, about 50 Flag of Iceland. -- Cecropia | Talk 19:30, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
- Although Wik's support shouldn't cause the editor to be "Crucified on a Cross of Wik," I don't see how this encouraged three users to support. Must be a full moon. -- Cecropia | Talk 21:56, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
- Not yet enough community experience, IMHO. Kingturtle 06:07, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
Comments:
- Charles Matthews: You are right that most of my edits here are not substantive, most of what i do here is pure maintanance, fixing licence notices, spelling errors ( adding and fixing them ;). I do however sometimes write/rewrite/expand articles such as Flag of Iceland, Little Belt Bridge (1935), Screenshot, WiX and currently Banjo-Kazooie, Cheers;) --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 17:26, 2004 May 18 (UTC)
- How do you pronounce your name :) ?? MvHG 09:59, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
- As soon as i find some good howto on the International Phonetic Alphabet i will write my name in it on my users page, currently i dont however so i can't tell you;/ --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 13:39, 2004 May 22 (UTC)
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