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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 21, 2021. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that before Arthur Phillip* commanded the first fleet of convicts to settle Australia, he was employed to spy on France?*
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Nationality

Was he German-born? That doesn't seem right; will have to look it up. Was he French? Look it up on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.129.53.146 (talk) 06:32, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This page could do with more headings and divisions.

His father was German-born as the text clearly says. Adam 02:08, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism

It looks like this article was getting steadily vandalized by a series of different editors over the last couple weeks. I made my best guess at reverting to a stable version, but if I accidentally over-wrote anyone else's good faith edits, I apologize. --Elonka 18:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Loss of Minorca

Can anyone elaborate on Arthur Philip's role in Minorca? As a Midshipman he may have been involved in testifying for or against Admiral John Byng.

We must remember that the 1757 parliamentary enquiry into Byng's conduct was initiated or strongly supported by George Townshend. He was the cousin of Lord Sydney (Thomas Townshend) who appointed Philip in 1786. There is therefore the possibility that Thomas Townshend was acquianted with Philip through this incident many years earlier.

(Note: The parliamentary enquiry was seperate to the court-martial that convicted Admiral John Byng)

--User:Eltharian:Eltharian 20 May 2007

Gallery creation

I have created a gallery at the bottom of the page as all the images crammed in the last section was causing issues with the text and it was a mess. I hope there is no issues with me doing this. -- Macr237 09:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Date his term as Governor of NSW ended

Governor of New South Wales says his term ended on 10 December 1792.

This article says he left on 11 December 1792, tendered his resignation after he arrived back in London in May 1793, and remained governor till 11 September 1795.

It’s clear he physically left Australia on 10 or 11 December 1792, but that is not necessarily the date his formal term as governor ended. We know, for example, that the first governor-general Lord Hopetoun left some months before his official term ended (and he even became the 1st Marquess of Linlithgow after he left but while he was still formally the Governor-General).

However, if Phillip tendered his resignation in May 1793 or thereabouts, why was that not accepted more or less immediately? I find it hard to believe he remained in the post for another two-and-a-half years. Surely, 11 September 1795 is the date John Hunter took up the post, and surely there was an interregnum. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 22:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A very belated reply - you're correct, and it is a shame the article has been wrong for this long. Phillip resigned as Governor on 10 December 1792 and boarded Atlantic that day for the return voyage to England. The ship set sail on 11 December. Lt Gov. Francis Grose assumed the position of acting Governor, and this was ratified in correspondence to him from Home Secretary Henry Dundas, dated 31 June 1793 and enclosing a list of instructions for administration of the colony. But Grose was not named as actual Governor, and he departed the colony as well in December 1794, to be replaced by NSW Corps captain William Paterson, who was acting Governor until Hunter formally took office on 11 September 1795.

So - it is technically incorrect to say Phillip remained Governor until 1795 - his resignation was accepted in June 1793, effective from 10 December 1792. he was restored to the Navy halfpay list in October 1793, marking the formal end of his colonial service even though he left the Governorship almost a year earlier. There was an interregnum, and it lasted from December 1792 until Hunter took office in September 1795.

A fair bit of this needs referencing in the article, which I'll hopefully get to ~~later today~~sometime. In the meantime I've amended the dates to mark the actual end of Phillip's governorship, being 10 December 1792, the date he swore in Grose to act in his place. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:02, 26 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for clearing that up, Euryalus. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:35, 15 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It did not, perhaps, need the several hundred words I gave it. But no worries. In passing the "convict rescue" story in the article is fairly dubious, will come back to this in a separate thread. -- Euryalus (talk) 00:32, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Captain Arthur Phillip

Phillip was born on October, 11, 1738 in London, England. He studied at Greenwich school and then served in the British navy until his retirement in 1763. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.175.204 (talk) 00:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Most of that is true and it says so in the article. He didn't retire in 1763.--Grahame (talk) 08:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

His grave

It is written here that "Forgotten for many years, the grave was discovered in 1897 and the Premier of New South Wales, Sir Henry Parkes, had it restored." It is impossible, since sir Parkes died in April 1896. Itaygur (talk) 11:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

His grave finished being restored in 1897, Parkes made inquires about it, for the centenary in 1888 --Knightmare 3112 (talk) 05:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria. Some of my concerns are outlined below:

There are uncited statements throughout the article, including entire paragraphs.
The "Legacy" section has a "more citations needed" banner dated July 2023

Is anyone willing to address these concerns, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]