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State atheism needs a reassessment of its Importance level, as it has little to do with atheism and is instead an article about anti-theist/anti-religious actions of governments.
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This article reads like a student's dissertation and is full of synthesis and original research. Furthermore, most of that "religion and politics" is irrelevant to "irreligion". The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick^t 18:49, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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not the same: to atheism or anti-clericalism

To fight against the power of some humans.
To fight against the belief that:
1. A bearer of personhood is precosmic and cosmogonic.
2. Personhood is superior than physics, controls everything and dictates personocratic goals to everything.

These are different ideas, but many people mix them; usually because they are personocrats (believers that personhood is the sole criterion; the rightists as cosmological personocrats, and the leftists as hominocrats with more individual rights [but a biological person / human is a hyponym of the term person]).

Politically motivated historians sometimes distort the ideas of the past, in order they are presented to be more philosophical than practical. That is good and bad. Bad because that's not history. Good because each society has different values thus it uses the past as a means to present the new values as traditional. Some lay-people value only tradition, thus presenting the analytical atheism, the cosmologically non-personocratic atheism as traditional, boosts the possibility of its acceptance (better chances).

These distortions are old, thus themselves certainly are historical (yes, history is complicated). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:828A:AC00:618E:99C7:F7FE:C82F (talk) 09:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]