Talk:Mike Sullivan (American football coach)

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Requested move 6 July 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Mike Sullivan (American football coach) per User:Gonzo_fan2007's suggestion as the least of evils. No such user (talk) 09:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Sullivan (American football) → ? – I need help disambiguating this guy from Mike Sullivan (offensive lineman). They are both American football coaches and they were both born in 1967. It looks like this one was never an offensive lineman, so the other disambiguator is fine. He's currently an offensive coordinator, so that might work, but he's also spent a good chunk of time in other coaching roles, such as a quarterback's coach, wide receivers coach, and defensive backs coach. Thoughts? -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:48, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Sullivan (American football, born January 1967)? Clumsy, but it works and is still better than the current title. SST flyer 07:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a little too clumsy, and I've never been a fan of disambiguating by month of birth: literally no one would know that. I'm leaning towards "offensive coordinator" which works better and the clumsy factor is reduced significantly. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:54, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since coaches change positions so often, disambiguating to a specific position is probably not a good idea. We'd be changing his disambiguator again within a few years. Instead, Mike Sullivan (American football coach) seems appropriate. Note that Mike Sullivan (coach) would be ambiguous with Mike Sullivan (ice hockey). ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 14:30, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"American football coach" wouldn't work, the offensive lineman is also a coach. I agree with you that it's not optimal but "offensive coordinator" is his most notable coaching job to date, although I'm still open for other non-clunky ideas. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:33, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about Mike Sullivan (New York Giants coach)? Teams tend to change less than coaching positions, at least. That might be the best we're going to do. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 14:45, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not opposed to using the Giants, he's been with the Giants a lot longer than he's been an offensive coordinator, which is a pro for that disambiguator. I just hope we're not just crystal balling to guess what will change first: his team or his position. One more thought about using offensive coordinator: unlike teams, there's a definite hierarchy of coaching positions: head coach, then coordinators, then position coaches, etc. Even if he were to go back to being a quarterback coach, for example, the offensive coordinator job would still be his "best" coaching job. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If he moves to another team, that would almost certainly be in search of a head coaching position, so the team and position would most likely change at the same time. I view the value added mostly like you said; it represents more of his career since it's changed less in the past.~ Rob₁₃^Talk 15:15, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend: Mike Sullivan (American football) → Mike Sullivan (American football coach) and leave Mike Sullivan (offensive lineman) alone. Mike Sullivan (offensive lineman) was first known as a player before he became a coach (and arguably his notability comes more from his playing days, as assistant and position coaches are usually not as well known as players), and so I think his article title is clear enough. I would oppose adding specific team names to the title, as I feel like we would have to move it again whenever he goes to a new team and he is not immediately well-known as being associated with the Giants (vs Tom Coughlin, who is immediately associated with the Giants). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds reasonable. Prominent hatnotes will hopefully send readers to the right article. — AjaxSmack 14:35, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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