Talk:Previously On

Broken Refrences

There are a few broken refrences in here, I have been trying to fix the links but it's not working. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.143.172.25 (talk) 12:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Why isn't this ready for Mainspace?

The article is well sourced, has enough content, and is notable enough based on media coverage. And the Production section already has dozens of facts/details. Is there a rule, that I'm unaware of requiring a minimum number of Production facts before moving an episode article to Mainspace? — Starforce¹³ 15:51, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, an episode article ideally should have a good amount of episode-specific information outside the run of the mill info that exists for all episodes (plot, cast, reviews). The vast major of the info in article is the ROTM content, or about the episode as a whole. I've made an example what isn't ROTM currently here to show as an example. As for something to point to, the TV project is working on creating a notability guideline for episodes. Please note that this is still just a draft and has not been fully discussed nor integrated to the site, but you can the wording as it currently stands here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Now what would help expand this out? Articles discussing elements of the production, which usually come from the interviews conducted the week following the episode. There surely will be information, because a lot happened this episode, it just doesn't exist yet. And we can't assume as such until we have those sources. Because otherwise, we have the plot, relevant starring and recurring cast (many in this episode), general production info that applies to all episodes, and the episode RT scores, covered at the main article, which again, is currently the vast majority of this article. This would just be a large WP:CONTENTFORK. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:11, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I've added a couple details that had been revealed by Feige before but hadn't yet happened on the show until this episode; which makes them relevant as episode-specific... like the use of "Scarlet Witch", and exploring her powers origins or how Wanda grew up watching sitcoms, which is based on Feige himself.— Starforce¹³ 17:10, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm c/e it some, but this looks like enough additions to cover production-specific info for the time being. Once I finish that edit, I'll make the move. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:04, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Timeline

This source may be used to say when the flashbacks in the episode takes place, along with any potential anachronisms. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:49, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I mean, for the sake of the writers telling the story to establish Wanda's love of sitcoms, the appearance of DVDs that "shouldn't" be out yet can't really be considered a "continuity error", when it's obviously being done for artistic license in that moment. The important part is the bomb going off, which was previously established was when Wanda was 10, so in 1998 or 1999. And as such, we have the "Works set in the 1990s" category for this. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

At first I assumed the scene in question took place in the early 2000s as a DVD of Malcolm in the Middle's first season is seen. So I believed this should be added to "Works set in the 2000s". But now I agree with your "artistic license" comments, so screw accuracy. Kailash29792 (talk) 18:45, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I felt the same, given how this show has made us analysis every single detail. But at times we have to stop reading something as "this mean a continuity thing" and just look at it for the story/moment trying to be told. And especially in this instance since it's such a minor point in the scene, the main parts, as I said, are its the moment when the bomb goes off to kill Wanda's parents. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Also to add to that, our universe is not exactly the same as Marvel Cinematic Universe. That includes things like "current president", dates, major events etc. It's possible the shows came out at a different time in the MCU than in our universe. For example, in ep 6, The Incredibles and The Parent Trap are in theaters at the same time which wasn't the case in our universe. If it were the same, then our films & shows including the MCU ones would also be shows/films in the MCU. So, let's not mix out-of-universe things with in-universe facts and use it to question the in-universe timeline. — Starforce¹³ 23:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Article Image

As was previously discussed on the Talk:We Interrupt This Program with how this episode's soundtrack used that episode article's image also, and since the series has released in full, I was wondering if we could figure out a proper image to use in depicting this article. Naturally, these episodes articles don't require them, but to aid visually and for the class status, a topic image would be useful. I previously suggested the image from Marvel Studios' tweet here could be used as it was released to promote the episode, or as Favre also suggested, we could use a screenshot of the scene between Wanda and Vision in the Avengers Compound about love and grief as it got lots of commentary. I'm willing to go either way on this but think a promo would be more preferred. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

I'd rather go the grief scene route, as it's more notable and there is significant commentary about the scene in the article, even in the lead section. —El Millo (talk) 19:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that is true. I'd be alright with that over the promo. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

If we are going to use a screenshot from the episode, I think we need to use one that is showing something visually unique. The Avengers Compound scene is the most talked about for the episode, but a screenshot wouldn't add anything that isn't already covered in the text. To justify having a non-free image we generally need to say why showing the screenshot is actually beneficial to our readers' understanding. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

And it's for that reason that I feel it would be difficult to get a different screenshot to represent this episode. The promotional poster does reflect this episode's story of looking back at Wanda's past and the line of "some real re-runs", like the re-runs of sitcoms, so I feel if we don't find a good screenshot/don't go that route, this would be a better alternative. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:48, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

That Twitter link is less a poster than it is an edited screenshot, so we'd still be on the side as Adam pointed out that single screenshots don't really add anything that the text doesn't already cover. And if this article doesn't have an image, that's a perfectly acceptable outcome too. An image isn't necessary, and just generalizing going forward, the other Marvel Disney+ series might not be as "lucky" as we were with this series to get all the decade posters. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Not to budge to get an image when one isn't needed, but I was wondering if we will go forward with the grief scene image used on the Disney+ episode. I'm all for it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:23, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I think Adam makes a valid point that it doesn't provide any visual significance to the article, despite being talked about. The moment is more for the quote, than the actual scene elements (for example, the setting could have been elsewhere etc.). Per WP:NFCC#8: Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. I would argue including it would only increase readers' understanding slightly, not significantly, and not including it is definitely not a detriment to the article. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:55, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

@Trailblazer101, Facu-el Millo, and Favre1fan93: Hi all, an IP editor just attempted to add this poster to the infobox for this article. It was released ahead of this episode's debut and it is official, but it was specifically commissioned by the UK Disney+ and Marvel. ComicBook.com and Screen Rant talked about it at the time, not sure if any others did. SR specifically calls it "WandaVision Episode 8 Poster". What do you guys think about using it? - adamstom97 (talk) 10:06, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

​Oops, I just uploaded it at File:WandaVision "Previously On" poster.jpg, and I was intending to add it here before I saw this talk thread. If we're using the same rationale that we did for TFATWS, this was an art poster by Matt Ferguson posted in the same week as the episode's airing. IronManCap (talk) 11:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't think we should include it. It doesn't feel the same in terms of the decade posters for the other episodes or the other official key art posters we have. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:33, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Well it does reflect the episode's events in that it shows a sitcom playing on TV, given that the episode featured Wanda viewing period sitcoms. I think it is reflective of the episode as a WP:LEADIMAGE. IronManCap (talk) 18:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

This isn't reflective of the episode but the series as a whole, the same way all the Falcon and the Winter Soldier posters were. But if there's commentary on it perhaps we could add it. —El Millo (talk) 18:48, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

My thinking is we should stick, where ever possible, to the posters created by Marvel and Disney's marketing teams, which this is not. At least for Falcon and the Winter Soldier, their Art series was a weekly thing, which correlated to the episode drops, so that made sense to use them as episode posters. This was a one off, which I agree with Facu is more representative of the whole series, than this one episode. It just happened to release around this one, hence why the sources state as such that it is this episode's poster. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

As an alternative to consider, I have now added some good VFX info to the article for visual sequences like the Salem scene, disassembled Vision, Vision/the Hex being created, etc. We could probably add a screenshot for one of those. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Wanda creating The Hex/Vision is one of the most notable, talked-about visual moments about the episode. And screenshots from that scene heavily circulated on social media. So, if we're going with a screenshot, that would be my vote.— Starforce¹³ 13:59, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Something like this then? I would be more inclined to go for this, accompanied by What is grief, if not... commentary. IronManCap (talk) 17:15, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

If we want to show the scene where Wanda creates Vision then I think something like this would be better. For your second suggestion IronManCap, that goes back to our discussion above re: that scene not having anything visual for us to show that would improve the audience's understanding. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I was going to suggest your suggestion Adam, but I thought it might not link so much to the discussions of grief in critical response. Having said that, I'm ok with it as a good visual. IronManCap (talk) 19:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

​​​​ Are we agreed on using Adam's suggestion then, if we have the necessary commentary for it? IronManCap (talk) 17:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok, since no one has objected or responded, I will WP:BOLDly upload the image and see if anyone reverts. IronManCap (talk) 22:41, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@IronManCap: Which image are we going with? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

If it's Wanda creating Vision, we should use this image from here. That's better than the closeup of Wanda that was linked above. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:19, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Scratch all of that. Didn't get to the article on my watchlist before the talk. Looks good. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:21, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: I hidden pinged you and a few other editors, so sorry if you didn't get the ping. I just decided to WP:BOLDly add it after no one replied. I see you added a fuller frame, which looks good. IronManCap (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Don't know if I got the ping or not, but like I said, I came here before I went to the article proper, so I wasn't aware what had been uploaded. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Looks good guys, thanks. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)