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Two maps containing the same relevant information were not needed. I deleted the less informative map, and moved the more informative map to the Infobox. --Vicedomino (talk) 22:52, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The list at Catholic-Hierarchy is not referenced. It can't count as a reference in this article. The ref. attached to every archbishop should be deleted, and a sentence at the beginning of the section should point to Catholic-Hierarchy and/or GCatholic. There are reference books (Eubel, Ritzler) which address this problem. --Vicedomino (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Early Middle Ages records...spurious or at least in disarray?

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Some of the ecclesiastical post records during the Early Middle Ages by the source given for it seem tenuous and off, for example the bishop for 603 AD was a "Guglielmo I". Now obviously this was a post-hoc Italianized form of a Medieval Latin Gulielmus or other spelling variant. However at this time Sicily was under the Eastern Roman Empire for quite some time relatively speaking, and the Ostrogoths had only held Italy for a short time before Justinian's Gothic Wars took a lot of it back. Furthermore it's odd this is the first name of ultimately Germanic origin, while all the names of Bishops under the Gothic kingdom are all of Latin or Latinized Greek origin. How can this be? Not only that, we don't see another Germanic name until "Roberto" in 1081 when the Normans took Sicily from the Arabs.

I suppose my main problem here is checking the veracity of these names from this turbulent period where Italy's vicissitude is bound to create nebulous records. I don't like how some names are Latinized and some are Italianized. For a heuristic solution, either make it all Ecclesiastical Latin (my preference), all post-hoc Italian, or all native names, where Guglielmo would be most likely in Gothic, unless he was a Romanized or Hellenized citizen of Gothic ancestry. Right now I find the list to be in irritating disarray.--Sıgehelmus (Talk) |д=) 18:14, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your irritation. The original list on the English page, annotated by Patapsco913, was obviously copied from the Italian Wikipedia page; hence the Italian version of the names. The work of Gabriel Chow (of GCatholic) is also involved for purposes of annotation, and, though enthusiastic, it is uncritical. But somewhere in the transmission of lists, an unreliable source or two failed to distinguish between Messina in Sicily and Messene in Greece. Also, Vicars Capitular were mistaken for actual bishops. What should one do? Eliminate the incorrect names, or flag them as mistakes? I have been flagging them in notes, so that some well-meaning but ignorant person does not reintroduce them. Gams tried to eliminate the obviously wrong names, but he is ignored. --Vicedomino (talk) 21:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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