Talk:Saints Peter and Paul Seminary

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Did you know... that Saints Peter and Paul Seminary, the last Catholic high school seminary in Ohio before its closure in 1990, was designed with influences from Chinese architecture?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Saints Peter and Paul Seminary, before its closing in 1990, was the last high school seminary in the state of Ohio? Source: https://archive.org/details/seminary-school-graduates-last-class-columbus-dispatch-the-oh-june-2-1990-p-01-b
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Created by Maximilian775 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Saints Peter and Paul Seminary; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I'd like to suggest an alternate hook;

ALT1: ... that Saints Peter and Paul Seminary, a Catholic high school seminary in Heath, Ohio, was designed with influences from Chinese architecture?

source: Gheddo, Piero (1998). PIME in North America, Fifty Years: Presence and Impact. Detroit: PIME World Press. pp. 49, 56, 85.

The hook would be interesting because it is hard to expect a Catholic building complex in Ohio to be designed in Chinese style.

TheLonelyPanther, good thought! Maybe we combine the two hooks?

ALT1: ... that Saints Peter and Paul Seminary, the last Catholic high school seminary in Ohio before its 1990 closure, was designed with influences from Chinese architecture?

I think that's still under the length requirement for DYK.

Maximilian775 (talk) 13:53, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed now that hook discussion has concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - ?
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Interesting article. As an Ohioan Catholic, I was not aware that High School seminaries were a thing. However, the sources do not seem WP:INDEPENDENT. I would sugggest replacing sources affiliated with the Catholic church with third-party sources. Scorpions1325 (talk) 23:00, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Maximilian775 Scorpions1325 (talk) 23:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, Scorpions1325 -- I've been moving and settling into a new life situation. I understand your statements and do see your concerns, but there just aren't 3rd party sources -- at least ones that I can find -- for this topic. There's one more citation from the Dispatch that I could add, but I don't think that would sway you. Again, sorry for the delay.

Maximilian775 (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maximilian775, I am not sure if my review was sufficient or not, as this was only my second QPQ ever. Pbritti, what are your thoughts? Would you approve this? Scorpions1325 (talk) 04:37, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Scorpions1325: Funny you should ping me—I've been keeping tabs on M'775's DYK noms lately anyway. I lean approving the hooks and accepting the sourcing, but please bear in mind that I also am a general fan of M'775's work and may be biased. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:59, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to

this nomination. If the promoter objects, please let me know. Scorpions1325 (talk) 05:00, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Scorpions1325, Maximilian775, and Pbritti: Scorpions1325's original assessment was correct and more work should be done to add independent secondary sources in order to satisfy WP:GNG and/or WP:ORG. My advice is to use Newspapers.com or ProQuest (via Wikipedia Library), and to make sure you are not simply searching for the school name in quotes, as I'm seeing varied abbreviations of the school name. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cielquiparle, Last month my mental health got to the point where it seemed like quitting Wikipedia was the best thing to do. I scrambled my password, so I won't be able to access ProQuest until February. I still have access to Newspapers.com though. Scorpions1325 (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle and Scorpions1325: I'm jumping in on sourcing because one of the papers that seems to cover this seminary is the Columbus Dispatch, a non-Newspapers.com publication. Its archives are in GenealogyBank. I also added some Newark Advocate articles from Newspapers.com. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Sammi Brie, I thought I had exhausted the possible "secular" media coverage of this place -- big thanks to you for finding those sources! Maximilian775 (talk) 18:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Much improved. Re-approving. Thanks Sammi Brie. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]