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Marriage

"On April 2, 1992, Selena and Chris were married in Nueces County, Texas."

The movie has them eloping, but as I understand it they had a church wedding with her whole family there. I think someone who knows what happened should rewrite this. Suggestion: "On April 2, 1992, Selena and Chris were married in Nueces County, Texas, with their families and friends in attendance.[4]" Rissa, copy editor (talk) 03:21, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Lacking critical information

I've brought this issue up several times in the past few years. This article lacks critical information see here for my last attempt to expand the article and what the article lacks. This expansion needs wiling editors to contribute to end this long battle to expand this article to its fullest, at its current state the article is not up to the standards of WP:FA. I'm wiling to contribute and hope to begin sometime this weekend or next weekend. Best, .jonatalk 18:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Why is this a featured article?

It is missing lots of information and several outstanding tags are missing. This should be downgraded unless the issues are fixed. Epicgenius (talk) 03:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

I added some temporary info. Hopefully that will last until I get the time to either have a FA review or fix all issues. Epicgenius (talk) 03:41, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Do you want to work on the article together? I've raised several issues above this thread. Best, .jonatalk 21:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
It completely lacks—among other things—an artistry/musicianship section; no detail on musical styles, themes, influences, critical commentary, etc. and easily fails comprehensiveness right now. I'll check back within a week or so to see if things are looking any better. Otherwise, I will list this for FAR. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 28 December 2014

At the end of the 2nd lead paragraph it states "...is the only female artist to have five albums on the US Billboard 200 at the same time", however the references that are supposed to support that do not. Please remove it. Fundude99 (talk) 20:35, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Question: Kudpung, That entire lead is stricken with relative time issues. What would be the chances of getting the protection level changed to semi as the person that was causing the disruption has been stopped? — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 16:52, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
The block was only for 48 hours. IMO the page needs to be FP for the full 14 days to clear the air. If another admin wants to change it, I won't argue, but they should read the edit history first. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Since nobody objected to this request for a week I have implemented it. Huon (talk) 19:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Selena

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Selena's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "TMAs":

  • From Amor Prohibido: "Tejano Music Awards Past Award Winners". TejanoMusicAwards.com. Archived from the original on August 15, 2010. Retrieved August 23, 2010. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  • From Enamorada de Ti (song): "Tejano Music Awards Past Award Winners". Texas Talent Association. Retrieved 16 December 2011.
  • From Donde Quiera Que Estés: "Tejano Music Awards Past Award Winners". TejanoMusicAwards.com. August 23, 2008. Retrieved July 12, 2011.
  • From Amor Prohibido (song): "Tejano Music Awards Past Award Winners". Tejano Music Awards. Texas Music Talent Association. Retrieved November 23, 2011.
  • From Selena Live!: "Tejano Music Awards Past Award Winners". TejanoMusicAwards.com. Retrieved August 23, 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:45, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

They are all the same, I will be incorporating the source to fix the cite error. Best, .jonatalk 16:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Recent update and expansion on article

As per its most recent FAR and the outstanding tags, I have spent nearly a week on the article updating, adding and removing content, adding sources, etc., which I believe satisfies all issues that were brought up. If not, please add back or any other tags you feel as though the article has encountered since its recent edits. I am now done expanding the article, however, I will be working on the references and adding the books used as sources in the coming days. There are still several dead links that I'll try to replace or remove, if you can help with any of these issues please do so. If there are any other concerns please address them below here and not on my talk page so others can also help. Best, .jonatalk 04:19, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Lead too long tag

@TheMagikCow: can you explain what would be the ideal length size for this article? Thanks, .jonatalk 16:51, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

1, 2 or 3 Paragraphs at the most. However, I seem to be outspoken so go with the consensus. TheMagikCow (talk) 17:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't see this article going one or two paragraphs, I'll try and trim it down to three. Thanks, .jonatalk 19:36, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Recent tags and edits

@SNUGGUMS: can you explain what the ref errors are? In your edit summary you said that the harvard refs were formatted incorrectly, can you explain how they are supposed to be transcluded in the article so I can fix them? Also thanks for your edits on the article. Best, .jonatalk 15:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Happy to help, and your expansion over the past month is impressive. You might need to install this script to detect the HARVref errors. Cheers, Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@SNUGGUMS: Thank you :) I'll go ahead and install the script so I can fix those issues. I trimmed down the death section to three paragraphs, was wondering if that is suitable or does it still contain over access of information? And you removed part of the first sentence about her being known as "Selena", was wondering on why? Thanks again, jona(talk) 22:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Typo

In the introduction, "her brother became her principle music producer" : principle->principal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.245.22.164 (talk • contribs)

 Fixed. jona(talk) 19:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

orientated

The word orientated should be changed to oriented in this article.

Finklang (talk) 03:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

@Finklang: I corrected the issue. Best, jona(talk) 17:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2015

John Lennon was not American (Murder - Impact section: Her death reaction was compared to the deaths of American musicians John Lennon, Elvis Presley...) 78.144.147.236 (talk) 05:34, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 09:09, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Typo

Under the Murder > Impact section, there is a typographical error.

"However, fans and historians disproved of the decision to destroy the gun citing that the event was historical and the gun should have been in a museum."

"Disproved" should be corrected to be "disapproved."

 Fixed The article is currently awaiting a copy-edit so thanks for pointing this out. Best, jona(talk) 20:08, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Does this mean I can say I am a Wikipedia contributor now? :) 66.162.159.254 (talk) 16:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Somewhat, I guess so. You did help me out by finding a typo that would not have been found without someone reading the article; so thank you. Best, jona(talk) 16:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguating Selena and Selena Gomez

I disagree with the new disambiguation that @NHRHS2010: just implemented on the article. Yes, Gomez is very popular among the younger generation but Selena is popular among the Hispanic generation and Gomez fans already know that she was named after Selena; the only communites who do not know who Selena was are non-Hispanics outside of the Americas. Gomez is known as Selena Gomez and not Selena (besides gossipy/tween magazines that name her by her first name like US Weekly, J14, TigerBeat, etc). The previous disambig template was fine the way it was. Best, jona(talk) 22:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I self-reverted it if that is okay. I personally think that those who know Selena for the first time could get confused with Selena Gomez. I do not follow either Selenas personally so I was confused between the two. Aside from the two Selenas, I only know one other person with that name. NHRHS2010 RIP M.H. (1994-2014) 23:07, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
The problem is that Gomez fans and Quintanilla fans aren't who the article is targeted at: it's supposed to be for general readers that aren't particularly familiar with either person.—Kww(talk) 23:33, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2015

In the fourth paragraph of the article, beginning "Aside from music," I'd like to request the following changes:

1. Please change "Aside from music, Selena was active in her community and donated her time to civic causes. Coca-Cola named her their spokesperson in Texas, and Selena became a sex icon, despite her comments on being a role model for young women, which she was often criticized for wearing suggestive outfits." to "Aside from music, Selena was active in her community and donated her time to civic causes, and Coca-Cola named her their spokesperson in Texas. Selena became a sex icon, and she was often criticized for wearing suggestive outfits in light of her comments on being a role model for young women." for the purpose of a clearer organization of ideas. At the very least, change "women, which she was often criticized" to "women, for which she was often criticized."

2. Please change "after Quintanilla, Jr. raised concerns" to "after her father raised concerns." This is the first mention of him in this article, and currently it is not immediately apparent to whom is being referred. Making this change would also result in the first appearance of her father's name (in the first paragraph under "Life and career") more appropriately consisting of the name in its entirety.

3. Please insert a comma at the end of the phrase "shot and killed by Yolanda Saldivar."

4. Please change "news of her death, and was compared to the death reactions of" to "news of her death, which was compared to the reactions accompanying the deaths of" in order to correct grammar and eliminate the odd-sounding phrase "death reactions."

5. Please change "Her posthumous crossover album, Dreaming of You (1995), debuted atop the Billboard 200, becoming the first Latin artist to accomplish" to "Her posthumous crossover album, Dreaming of You (1995), debuted atop the Billboard 200, making Selena the first Latin artist to accomplish" to resolve a grammatical issue.

Niscarpi (talk) 01:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 05:13, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

List of names

I removed most of these names from the article; the minor artists can be listed in the article linked below; we don't need a looooong list of names here, they clutter up the prose exponentially. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 03:14, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Influences on other artists

@Baffle gab1978: On second thought, I think its best to just remove all those names, the list can direct readers interested in who was influenced by her. Also, thanks for copy-editing the article! Glad to see you back editing, hope you had a well-deserved break . Best, jona(talk) 14:11, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

"as Hispanics elevated her into a sainthood-like status"

That is a ridiculous assumption to make and should be immediately deleted. La Fuzion (K lo K) 16:00, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
The statement is currently sourced in the Legacy and influence section of the article with four book sources. But if the general consensus is that it may border POV or isn't encyclopedic then I would support removing it altogether from the article. Best, jona(talk) 18:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Sourced but encyclopedic? I really don't think it is. It borders on both POV and peacocking, in my eyes. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
@Winkelvi: Agree, I removed the second occurrence of the statement from the article body. Can you guys comment below about the possible removal of the list of celebrities from the article (discussion below)? Best, jona(talk) 21:58, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Lo Nuestro 1995 tribute

So I was thinking if the Premio Lo Nuestro 1995 tribute to Selena should be mentioned in the article (in the Impact section specifically) since the awards occurred nearly two months after her death. I have an article from HighBeam that I can use to source the information. Erick (talk) 17:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Can you add it since you have the article? jona(talk) 17:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Sure, just tell me where in the Impact section you want me to add it. Erick (talk) 18:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I believe it fits best before the The Spirit of Hope Award sentence in the posthumous section. jona(talk) 19:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@AJona1992: Check this out, Billboard has listed Selena among The 30 Most Influential Latin Artists of Time. Not only that, but J Lo performed a medley of Selena's songs at the 2015 Billboard Latin Music Awards. Erick (talk) 15:51, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: That's weird I didn't get the ping notification :/ I just saw it and added it to the article and the performance she did with Los Dinos was amazing =) Thanks for the articles and glad to see you back! jona(talk) 19:36, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

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Selena's M•A•C Makeup Collection

Hey guys I love how Fiesta De La Flor is put into here but, in July 2015, M•A•C announced their Selena Quintanilla makeup collection that went viral. 2, days ago, they revealed the "Como La Flor" lipstick which will be included in Selena's Limited-edition mac makeup Collection that also went viral. In February 2015, a petition on change.org was created for MAC Cosmetics to create a Selena Makeup line. By July 2015, the petition received over 37,500 signatures. And when MAC saw the 37,000 signatures they announced the line! The mac + Selena makeup line will launch in October of this year. May someone add this information to Selena's posthumous honors? The information is easy to find several of articles have been published on this NoDoubt1995 (talk) 23:47, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

@NoDoubt1995: The fiesta de la Flor happened (twice now), the MAC line is a planned product and per WP:CRYSTAL it would look promotional if anyone added that information. Let's give it some time until it is actually released since the planned "Selena the One" project did not go through and even had the same media exposure as the MAC line did. Best, – jona ✉ 14:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2016

please add this website to the list of websites for this page www.q-productions.com this website has more information about Selena from her family and the reader can also buy merchandise from this website and the reader can also apply to the Selena fan club.

Not done: Wikipedia is not a directory of links and certainly not a place to SPAM commercial endeavors. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:21, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2016

please change the website on this page to www.q-productions.com this is the official Selena website

Davin24A (talk) 20:35, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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Selena Quintanilla wax figure at Madame Tussauds Hollywood, Hollywood Walk of Fame Star in 2017, a M•A•C Cosmetics line launching October 6, 2016, and Selena will be inducted into the Texas Music Hall of Fame

Selena just received a wax figure at Madame Tussauds Hollywood that was revealed on August 30 2016 I was wondering why hasn't it been added to Selena's honors section? Along with Selena's Hollywood Walk of Fame star being unvelied in 2017, and with her mac cosmetics line coming out in October 2016. May someone please add all these honors? The wax figure is already displayed to! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.13.236 (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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MAC Cosmetics and Selena Collaboration

In October 2016, MAC Cosmetics released a limited edition Selena collection. The makeup line was created with the help of Selena’s sister Suzette Quintanilla. The collection was inspired by her looks on and off the stage and the products are named after some of her most memorable songs. [1]

@Mclupdate:  Done – jona ✉ 22:29, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

ambiguous passage

The article currently reads: "...Tejano music compositions; a male-dominated, Spanish-language genre[25] with German influences[26] of polka, jazz, and country music, popularized by Mexicans living in the United States..." It reads like it is saying that jazz and country are influenced by German. Presumably it just means that polka is. Probably referring to "german influences" at all is out of place since polka is itself german (eg, it could just as easily read "with African American influences of jazz, polka, and country music..."). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.245.132 (talk) 22:16, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Treatment?

Presumably Selena was taken to hospital - there is no mention of this critical point. The statement that "After 50 minutes of surgery, the doctors realized that the damage to Selena's pierced artery was irreparable" is false and misleading. Doctors do not decide that damage is irreparable. They try to save an injured patient. The quote suggests that they decided that the damage could not be repaired and gave up. That is improbable. If it did happen, such an event would need to be referenced.125.236.202.112 (talk) 01:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2017

Selena died March 31st due to being shot by Yolanda Saldivar and Yolanda will be released 2025 70.162.104.209 (talk) 01:32, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The article already says this. RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
Regarding "... and Yolanda will be released 2025 ...", Saldivar sentence is life in prison. She will become eligible for parole in 2025. It does not mean she will be released around that date. I mention it in case the injustice is troubling you. Jeffrey Walton (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Selena influences

The term LBGT needs to be removed from this article. While Selena was kind to everyone, she never singled out anyone or any group. Those letters were only put in this tribute as a political statement. Selena and her family are not political at all. Please remove these letters and replace them with something like, "she influenced multiple groups." Oath993 (talk) 21:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Oath993: Wikipedia is not censored and its contents are written based on reliable sources such as print media whose authors satisfies the criteria of inclusion. Author Deborah Vargas holds a PhD and this article includes her work Dissonant Divas (2009) which does state that Selena's fans were of "young women (queer Latinas/os), and brown working-class communities" (page 215) and had a "brown, queer fan base" (page 215) the singer "gave good face in the queer sense" (page 185) and countless other pages find her works to resonate within the LGBT community (mostly of Latino heritage). Removing this will go against what Wikipedia stands for, whether or not the singer or her family are/were political would not change anything. Unless you can find sources that state Selena was against, disowned, disincluded, or did not want to associate herself with the LGBT community then those statements would be added after the sentence of her LGBT following. Best – jona ✉ 01:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Oath993. "Selena's popularity was drawn in by the LGBT community and minority groups in the United States" doesn't belong in this article. Where is the source for this? 2601:483:100:CB54:0:0:0:8172 (talk) 01:13, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

If you read the answer to his question you would know where the source comes from, and again Wikipedia is not censored. – jona ✉ 18:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@AJona1992: (page 185) and countless other pages find her works to resonate within the LGBT community But the citation note lists only page 185 in the references. Perhaps since Dr. Vargas' work is (as of now) the only source making this claim, the citation should list all relevant page numbers. There is also the paper Dr. Vargas published 10 years ago which contains much of the same research found in her book, and thus should be used as an additional reference for that claim here, in the Wikipedia article.—SpintendoTalk 03:13, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2017

In the "Posthumous film and honors" section, the final sentence says "Google honored Selena on 16 October 2017 with a musical doodle of her life". the correct date is October 17, 2017 50.35.58.38 (talk) 18:51, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Done SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 18:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2017

Please change: 'He said Selena represented "the essence of south Texas culture." who never forgot where she came from.' to: "He said Selena represented "the essence of south Texas culture." because the final clause does not make grammatical sense. Justin Dwyer (talk) 18:54, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Done SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 18:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Selena will recieved her Star on the Hollywood walk of fame November 3, 2017

Today is the crowning of Selena's Hollywood walk of fame star in Los Angeles72.184.23.194 (talk) 07:07, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2017

98.160.152.162 (talk) 07:38, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

what

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  — Ammarpad (talk) 08:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Fan drawing

@TheBellaTwins1445: what does this drawing convey to the reader in the subsection that it is currently in? I am trying to understand what value it adds to the article since it was repeatedly removed by other concern editors over its value. Best – jona ✉ 15:07, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Its just to illustrate the article, it has very few images, and I really believe there is nothing bad at adding just a little drawing of her specially since it is a tribute and is on her posthumous film and honors section.TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 23:21, March 27, 2018 (UTC)
The reason why it has a few images is because of copyrights of her photographs are not free to use. The infobox image clearly shows Selena around the time of her death that provides context to the reader. The problem I see with the image is that it is a drawing based on a copyrighted image and does not provide any gainful insight to readers. The fact that you decided to put it in the posthumous film and honors subsection and said how it is a tribute to her comes across as fan-ish. I agree that there should be more images of Selena, but it shouldn't be non-free. As of right now there are three non-free media files on this page, when the time comes to bring this article to WP:FAC, how is your drawing (of a copyrighted image) going to satisfy reviewers and the FA criteria? @Moonriddengirl: Can you weigh in on this issue? If it is not a problem and is okay, then great, my main concern is if it is acceptable being uploaded as a free image of a copyrighted photograph, and can the article pass the FA image criteria when it's assed? Best – jona ✉ 14:47, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Just realized that Moonriddengirl has been inactive for a few months, @Nikkimaria: can you weigh in on this issue? Best – jona ✉ 16:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
It depends to what extent the drawing is derived from a copyrighted image. See commons:Commons:Fan_art and commons:Commons:Derivative works. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Great, thanks for those! @TheBellaTwins1445: Which image of Selena did you use to create your drawing? Best – jona ✉ 13:07, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
I base myself over my knowledge on Selena and in a how to draw Selena in 5 steps haha.TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 17:37, March 31, 2018 (UTC)
So this was a made-up image of Selena that you drew? – jona ✉ 22:31, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Yeah I got the rights of it, I even have the original drawing myself.TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 22:33, March 31, 2018 (UTC)
Ok that seems fine then. Thanks for clarifying – jona ✉ 17:30, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome.TheBellaTwins1445(talk) 18:45, April 1, 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 12 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 00:07, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


Selena → Selena Quintanilla-Pérez – Only in the most exceptional cases of universal familiarity across the English-speaking world should an article title consist only of a person's first name. I have personally never heard of this person, and I have no reason to think that she should lay unique claim to the name "Selena". 86.143.78.156 (talk) 01:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Oppose. This is one of those cases of universal familiarity, with continued posthumous notability/renown. The searches for "Selena" as a standalone name, rather than searches for a full name, such as Selena Gomez, far exceed all other "Selena" searches combined.    Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:14, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Are you American? 86.143.78.156 (talk) 02:35, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • WP:BUTIDONTKNOWABOUTIT was written for something like this. Oppose Red Slash 03:36, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Roman Spinner's comment and per WP:COMMONNAME. Not only was she only known as Selena, she only went by as Selena during her career as evident by all her albums. Erick (talk) 03:38, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, but instead move to Selena (singer) - I'll be honest, it seems that the notoriety of the current topic has passed. This story happened a generation ago, and I think that by now, there is no longer a primary topic for this mononym and the present scenario will only lead to more and more WP:ASTONISHment as time goes on. Monthly page views since 2015 bear this out, as this generation's "Selena" (Selena Gomez) now consistently has double the views of this topic. In addition to the proposed move, also move Selena (disambiguation) to Selena. -- Netoholic @ 05:36, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Support in principle, but instead move to Selena (singer) as above. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:41, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
    • While I disagree in principle, I definitely agree that she should be at Selena (something) if moved. But if we're disambiguating partly to avoid confusion with Selena Gomez, I daresay that we can't very well use (singer) as our disambiguator. Red Slash 20:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose I suppose there are also people who have never heard of Charo and Cher, but Selena is almost universally known simply as Selena. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 13:07, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose as evident of her current posthumous popularity. She continues to make headlines every year (heck, Spanish-language networks annually mark her death anniversary with re-runs and specials dedicated to her, while her film is still present on other major networks to this day), and the name "Selena" is synonymous with the subject in question to Spanish-speaking countries in the America continent. Selena was not only a singer, so Selena (singer) is irrelevant and diminishes her contributions to her other projects, isn't Selena Gomez a singer as well? Completely redundant. – jona ✉ 14:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose Utterly ignorant to open up an RM to say "I haven't heard of this person." By that logic a person could claim they "never heard" of the UK as a reference to Great Britain and demand UK redirect to UK (disambiguation) Ribbet32 (talk) 00:50, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose. She would always be the best known Selena forever, go away. TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 19:32, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
    That is... not a helpful contribution. Red Slash 12:19, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Move to Selena (singer) and move Selena (disambiguation) to Selena. No clear primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:10, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Move, and then move Selena (disambiguation) to Selena. With all due respect for Selena Quintanilla-Pérez's tragic death, but, as she has not been active in singing for 13 years, memory of her is inevitably going back into the past, and the word has other meanings, and the world is moving on. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Question I'm confused by the editors who have suggested moving the disambiguation page here, suggesting there's no primary topic. What topics are known by the name "Selena" and of any importance beside the subject of this article and things related to her? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Well, the most significant one is obviously Selena (given name)! Probably more a primary topic. But no, there isn't a primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:02, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
      • "no, there isn't a primary topic here".[citation needed] Page views show very few people searching for "Selena" go from the singer to the given name. In fact, practically no one. Sorry, but you guys are the ones who opened the RM, so the burden is on you to prove the singer is not the primary topic beyond bald truthiness assertions: "there isn't a primary topic here" "I have personally never heard of this person", "Support in principle, but instead move to Selena (singer)". Ribbet32 (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
        • Ditto. The "article" about the given name isn't even an article; it's a list of partial title matches that is viewed about 10 times a day vs. 5 to 10 thousand views a day for the singer. The other competitors for primary topic would only be the album by her and the movie about her and they receive only hundreds of views per day. —  AjaxSmack  20:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
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Hyphen?

Why does her last name, given in the first line of this article, have a hyphen? I mean, while it's not outside the realm of possibility for her name to actually include a hyphen, it seems unlikely for someone of Latino origin. Normally her name would be "Selena Quintanilla Pérez". This is completely unrelated to the result, if any, of the move request above. Red Slash 20:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

  • The hyphen is not related to Spanish naming customs (which is what I think you're implying?). She was born Quintanilla and later on Perez came from her husband. I dunno if it was actually double-barreled or not, though, but there's no special reason it couldn't have had a hyphen. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:17, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
    • Until a minute ago I knew absolutely nothing about Selena's last names, but her father's name was Abraham Quintanilla Jr. and her mother was Marcella Ofelia Quintanilla (née Samora). By the most common (but by no means universal) Spanish-language naming customs, her name might have been Selena Quintanilla Samora before she married Chris Pérez and added Pérez to Quintanilla. Again, that's pure speculation on my part, but as Nohomersryan wrote, the hyphenation is because she married a man named Pérez, not out of Spanish-language naming custom. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:17, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
      • Welp, I learned something new today! Hurray! Thank you for your help. Red Slash 12:16, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


Birthplace on Wikipedia states Lake Jackson Texas. However Lake Jackson did not have a hospital in 1971, actually not until 1984. What was the Brazosport Memorial moved to Lake Jackson in 1984. In 1971 the hospital was located North of Freeport Texas in an unincorporated part of Brazoria County Texas called Precinct 9. I know this because I was born there in the same Hospital in 1967. My birth certificate states place of birth, Precinct 9 Brazoria County Texas. By the way I also knew AB and Selena as a child. Her father and my best friends father were co-owners of Papagayos the restaurant where she played as a child in Lake Jackson. I used to hang out at the resturant Cahendrick (talk) 17:07, 28 May 2018 (UTC) how do I actually get this changed?

Birthplace from Abraham Q wiki

While settling in, Marcella was told by doctors that she had a tumor and it needed to be removed. Marcella and Quintanilla decided to get a second opinion before performing the removal. While visiting a second doctor, the couple were told that Marcella was pregnant. Marcella and Abraham were told that they were going to have another son and picked the name: Marc Antony (Quintanilla). But on April 16, 1971; Marcella and Abraham delivered a girl at Freeport Community Hospital. A woman who shared the room, suggested the name "Selena".[11] Cahendrick (talk) 08:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Cahendrick It's WP:TRIVIAL and you didn't provide a source to back up your claim. Best – jona ✉ 19:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

«Best-selling cosmetics»

The first paragraph states that « Billboard magazine named her the top-selling Latin artist of the 1990s decade, while her posthumous collaboration with MAC cosmetics became the best-selling celebrity collection in cosmetics history» and is followed by reference [2], a listacle from Bustle about the best selling MAC Cosmetics celebrity collaborations of all time. The phrasing of the sentence implies that the Selena MAC collaboration was the best selling celebrity makeup collection of all time,although the tense makes it unclear whether or not it was at one point the best-selling or if it still holds that distinction. However, the reference included only states that it was the best selling celebrity collaboration for one particular make-up company (MAC Cosmetics). If this particular collaboration was, or still is, the all time best-selling of all cosmetics company/celebrity collaborations , then a reference should be included to reflect this, and if not then the article should clarify that it the collaboration was/is *MAC Cosmetics* best-selling celebrity collaboration.

Abdulrahimb (talk) 04:43, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Suggested edit to intro

I know it may seem obvious to people who are familiar with her, but in keeping with how other articles handle individuals who are primarily known by their first name, the introduction should include the statement, "better known as Selena" or "best known as Selena". 50.66.121.20 (talk) 04:19, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Main picture.

There is already an existent file on commons to be usable on her page, its a picture form her Madamme Tussauds Hollywood wax figure.

Should we used it for her main pic? Elton2978 (talk) 17:37, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Selena for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Selena is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Selena until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Selena is also one of the most amazing mexican singer. she wasn't a mexican she just knew how to speak spanish. Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 06:24, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Article has contradictions

Selena is listed under the category "American mezzo-sopranos" which I believe is how she was described in the liner notes for "Dreaming of You" but the Artistry section in this article states that she was a soprano with a source given. What was her correct vocal category? In the fourth paragraph of the lead the last sentence states, "As of 2015, Selena has sold over 65 million albums worldwide, making her the best-selling female artist in Latin music history." The source given is Billboard magazine. Yet how could Selena be the best-selling female artist in Latin music history if the biography for singer Shakira states that she sold 75 million copies meaning she has surpassed Selena in sales. (It is not possible that Shakira sold the ten million more than Selena after 2015 considering how the record industry is doing.) How can one Wikipedia article contradict another? By the way, I have nothing but respect for Selena and consider her to be one of the most influential women in U.S. history so don't take me writing this as being a troll. Can something be done about these contradictions? Thanks.

--Torowhynot (talk) 14:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing these up. The source does say "soprano voice" by the music editorial contributor for the newspaper and the category has since been changed to reflect the source given. The sales source comes from Billboard however, it is from The Associated Press who's not the best source, nor the worse, for reporting actual sales. I've found two recent sources from NBC News and the BBC that reports 60 million and fixed the article to reflect these additions. Thanks – jona ✉ 17:19, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Selena’s birthplace

Quintanilla Family has stated in numerous interviews that Freeport is her birthplace, not Lake Jackson. Stop changing it. Tejanorules (talk) 22:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Should I add or not?

May I add English pronunciation of Selena Quintanilla Perez? I will also do it in the Selena Gomez page. /səliːnə kiːntəniːjə pɛərrɛs/ sə-LEE-nə KEEN-tə-NEE-yə PAIR-res Marc Raphael Felix (talk) 09:59, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

With a source, because "Perez" is not pronounced with a double R. (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes Mauricio Duque 07:02, 4 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mauricio Duque (talk • contribs)

Wait. I removed it after being disappointed by Sundayclose reverting the english pronunciation, then shortly returned albeit for the first name only ;) TheRafaMarc15 (talk) 10:48, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Look, it doesn't matter how "other people" or "Selena Gomez" pronounces the name. Selena Quintanilla's name is pronounced the way SHE pronounced it. If our standard is how other people pronounce it, we could end up with a dozen different pronunciations. So we need two things: how SHE pronounced it, and a reliable source to verify that. Sundayclose (talk) 15:23, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Selena English Pronunciation

We pronounce it as "Seh-Lee-Na" as in Selena Gomez, right? Marc Raphael Felix (talk) 13:21, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

It's pronounced the way Selena Quintanilla pronounced it. And Wikipedia requires a reliable source to verify that. Sundayclose (talk) 15:28, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2021

Original: Selena Quintanilla-Pérez (April 16, 1971 – March 31, 1995) was an American singer, songwriter, spokesperson, businesswoman, model, actress, and fashion designer.

Change: Selena Quintanilla-Pérez (April 16, 1971 – March 31, 1995) was a Mexican-American singer, songwriter, spokesperson, businesswoman, model, actress, and fashion designer. 2601:1C2:8100:260:1987:2505:CA94:7064 (talk) 18:56, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. —Belwine (talk) 20:33, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Superstore

https://people.com/chica/america-ferrera-selena-quintanilla-twin-superstore-halloween-episode/. Is this worthy of inclusion? It as sources but I do not know if this is important enough? any help is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandalf the Groovy (talk • contribs) 13:25, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Sales

I know 60-65 million figures are widely known both in Spanish and English sources in her case, but seems inflated and probably are primary sources (by her record label or thanks to the vandalism in Wikipedia; e.g, from es.wiki). She has basically just a gap of 10 million to be consider one of the best-selling music artists and i'm not sure if her certifications are even close (I know she is huge both in USA and MEX, but i didn't see anything outside about certifications).

According to Chicago Tribune, her father said she sold 26 million before passed away and her record label started reporting 60 million at least since 2012. According to other sources, she sold 30 million (Notimex) or 40 million. I'm aware, we have now "better sources" reporting her sales around 60-65 million but context matters (Don't forget that according to one source, 60 million was reported initially by her record label).

I could easily change that figure, but we don't need a possible misunderstandings, an edit war etc specially because this is a GA and I found more than one figure: 30 million, 40 million and even 26 million. My 2 cents, is change 60-65 million reports to 30/40 or even, I don't have problem with the 26 million if we base the certifications criteria.

cc @88marcus: since he's one of the active editors on Latin artists/music articles. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

There's no real indication that Selena sold that amount of records (above 30 million copies), she has only 5 studio albums, and only the last one sold around 5 million copies worldwide. She has no record certifications in European or Asian countries, she didn't even appear in charts from those continents too. The certification criteria should be used in this case, and like the other cases use the most close to it.--88marcus (talk) 19:01, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Perfect. Let's wait at least 1 week in case if we have additional comments. Otherwise, I'll put 30 million, for me that range sounds good. Apoxyomenus (talk) 04:05, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Has been passed almost 1 month and nobody else commented (despite there are some users with activity around these days from WikiProjects like Latin Music). So, there is nothing that could be consider disruptive with this change. Thanks, --Apoxyomenus (talk) 18:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Let’s your call Mauricio Duque 07:32, 8 December 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mauricio Duque (talk • contribs)

I feel like she could of very well sold around 60 million records, according to Billboard, she sold 18 - 20 million albums in the 1990s alone, I feel like from the 2000s, the 2010s and now the 2020s she should of sold a lot of records, regarding the certifications in other countries, I only know the Selena Movie soundtrack is certified Gold in Hong Kong. Also the sales of her singles could support that she has sold around 60 million. As well as streaming. On Spotify alone she has over 1 billion streams which contributes to her sales. On Apple Music and iTunes, she’s been charting in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. Which can also contribute to her sales. SelenaQueentanilla (talk) 17:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Refer to WP:Original research. (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2021

Under section “Murder,” subheading “Impact,” third paragraph, change George W Bush to George H W Bush. 73.97.174.20 (talk) 07:39, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: It's correct as written. George W. Bush was governor of Texas in 1995, not George H. W. Bush. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 12:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Netflix show

I remember that Netflix had a documentary about her but I forgot the name of it and not sure if it's still on Netflix — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunyaah (talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC) It was around 2018 or 2017 and not related to the one Netflix released in 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunyaah (talk • contribs) 14:44, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I am not aware of the documentary of there was one, but there is a tv series (released in 2020) showing on Netflix about her life called "Selena: The Series". CallieHJ (talk) 02:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Help!

I added a sentence about Selena: The Series and lifted footnotes 10, 11 and 12 from that article. However, a parameter for the footnotes is missing and I can't figure it out. Would a Wikipedian more skillful than I please enter the parameter. That will clean up these footnotes. Thanks for helping with this excellent article about a wonderful singer and person. May she rest in peace with the angels. American In Brazil (talk) 19:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

You forgot to copy the sources. (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on the footnotes. I removed a repeated sentence. I also note that fn. 62, 68, 114 and 300 also need cleaning. American In Brazil (talk) 02:50, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

This article is awful

All I wanted to know is the circumstances of her death and for that I have to read an 1800 word section? Just make it like 2 sentences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.209.160.5 (talk) 02:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

That's simple:Selena's function. (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

This article is about Selena so of course there is going to be background on her life, too. So it's not an awful article as it's written up the way an "about" article should be written. If you want to read on the circumstances on her passing away, then you would need to read an article written that focuses on only that and I don't know if anyone's written an article focusing on only her death on Wikipedia. CallieHJ (talk) 02:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Try Murder of Selena. American In Brazil (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Footnote fixes

Footnotes 50, 62, 68, 114, 214, and 300 need fixing and I don't know how to do it. Would someone more skillful than I am please clean them up. American In Brazil (talk) 23:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

"Mexican-American"

I have been reverted twice for describing Selena as 'Mexican-American' in the lead. She sang Tejano music in Spanish, she identified as such, and she was referred to as such in many of her obituaries. Read the footnotes. She is described in the lead as "one of the most celebrated Mexican-American entertainers of the late 20th century." She won the Grammy for best Mexican-American album. She is also listed in the WP article List of Mexican Americans. Why would anyone revert her own self-description? American In Brazil (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Like you said, the lead already describes her as being Mexican American. Not all Tejano singers identified or were Mexican American, there was a band out in Japan that was considered a Tejano band (even by Billboard magazine) during the 1990s, highly doubt they considered themselves Mexican Americans. Just because another article on Wikipedia describes her as Mexican American, doesn't mean every article about Selena has to as well, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST. You need to tell us why you think it is important to describe Selena as a Mexican American singer rather than an American singer, telling us that the media calls Selena a Mexican American is not a solid argument. The lead already links to Tejano and right after calling her an American singer (which is what she was since she was born in the U.S. state of Texas), it does say she was "one of the most celebrated Mexican American entertainers of the late 20th century". – jona ✉ 21:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Describing her as Mexican-American does not mean she was not American. Her identity as Mexican-American was part of her musical success. She won the Grammy for best Mexican-American album. She described herself as Chicana (Spanish for Mexican-American). She won the Tejano Music Awards nine times in a row as a Spanish language Mexican-American singer. WP is an encyclopedia and these are the facts. American In Brazil (talk) 21:56, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Cherokee

I saw a couple of people say that Abraham Quintanilla denied that Marcella had Cherokee ancestry, although she was born on a reservation, he says that she’s Mexican American. It’s obviously Selena and her family is of Native American decent, judging from their brown complexion, eye shape, nose, etc. most Mexicans are Mestizo, but I could tell that Selena is more Indigenous than Spanish (making her indo-mestiza) it’s also rumored that she’s of Tiwa / Tigua Native American decent SelenaQueentanilla (talk) 20:05, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2021

The sentence is misleading and doesn’t reflect the information in the referenced article.

Change this: , while her posthumous collaboration with MAC cosmetics became the best-selling celebrity collection in cosmetics history.[3] To this; , while her posthumous collaboration with MAC cosmetics became their best-selling celebrity collection.[3] Kerstinxoxo (talk) 07:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 07:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Selena Tour Date in Tucson, Arizona

Selena and her group performed in Tucson, Arizona at the Tucson Convention Center Exhibition Hall on October 2, 1993 event was produced and promoted by Stevens Film, Video & Music Production - CEO / Oscar H. Stevens II — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.1.152.59 (talk) 23:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2021

Please change:

"catapulting gender Tex Mex into the mainstream market"

into:

"catapulting the [[Tejano music|Tejano]] (or ''Tex-Mex'') genre into the mainstream market"

This is a mistranslation that was introduced two months ago (genre and gender are the same word in Spanish).

It is also clearer to use the term Tejano and keep Tex-Mex in parenthesis since the intro has already used the term Tejano.

83.36.37.0 (talk) 01:24, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:00, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Parents mother

Why is her mother missing from the page? 2001:56A:7992:8000:E5A5:3694:FCA4:5F09 (talk) 06:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

"She was the youngest child of Marcella Ofelia Quintanilla (née Samora)". If you are talking about her grandmother, what makes her WP:relevant? (CC) Tbhotch™ 20:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

By that time, hundreds of fans had gathered at the scene; many ¿wept? as police took Saldívar away

How is it that many wept after Saldívar was arrested? huh that sentence makes no sense and is sensacionalist, and the fans thing should be also taken away like, which is the point of that? it should of just been, *Saldívar was finally arrested.* ¿Many wept about what? ... TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 20:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey Bella, I just want to say it's nice to have another editor here who likes Selena. I was looking through the FARs and PRs, and I couldn't find the discussion where an editor pointed out that the sentence was WP:EDITORIAL. However, someone else argued that the sentence is what actually happened and that it was a journalist who reported what he/she witnessed that day. It's the same for executions during the middle ages, where witnesses wrote what happened in the moments after someone was put to death (Anne Boleyn for an example). I believe the journalist was saying that people were crying by the time Saldivar was taken away. I am looking through the archives to pull up the discussion and my cringy immature comments that I made a decade ago aren't really helping. The prior sentence says that she surrendered and if the decision is to alter the witness statement, then I would argue on just deleting it up to when Saldivar surrendered to avoid needless repetition. – jona ✉ 20:59, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
jona ✉ that sounds great, actually I think we should of take it off from the page since again, it sounds a bit sensacionalist and like if it was taken from some kind of celebrity magazine, also I think the other sentence that I edited, this one - *An autopsy was performed on the same day due to the overwhelming media response* and that I cropped to *An autopsy was perfromed on the same day* should just stay like this since first of all, it is not referenced, its just in there but with no reference provided to assure this claim on media wanting to know more about her death was true, plus, an autopsy is in most of cases mandatory to perform when the death is not natural; just like in suicides, accidents, cases where the person was in good healthy conditions, and in the case of Selena, murder. Greetings. P.D. Anything for Selena <3 TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 00:25, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
jona ✉ I have seen that the media interest thing was put because of the doctor who performed it say it was like that, but there should a reference providing that, am I correct? also, could we add this illustration to her article - *File:Selena Drawing by Elioth.png* I do not feel like there is something wrong with it, and also there are very few images to illustrate her, or is it wrong? greetings fella, I await for your responses. TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 00:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
The source is from The New York Times not sure why the url was removed from the article. So it's not a "sensationalist" claim taken from tabloids, it's an eyewitness account from a reporter who was there. I would consider "fans wept for santa Selena while the accused murderer Saldivar was taken into custody" as editorial/sensationalist, but the fact that fans were seen weeping, doesn't border that since it is what The New York Times reported. I agree with the autopsy sentence, most are conducted immediately, though Dr. Elkins did say he performed it because of the overwhelming media interest. Do you think we should edit it to say according to Dr. Elkins or remove it altogether? Also, it is sourced in the sentence that follows the results of the autopsy, not every sentence needs to be cited if the following sentences are based on the same reference per WP:REPCITE. The fan drawing of Selena gives me WP:MEMORIAL vibes, due in part of the honorific statements and hearts. Although I have seen drawings on Wikipedia, it's not "fan-made" but a portrait of someone who either knew the person in life or recreated a lost original. Pictures and stuff are not my specialties, I just know that on any article it's best to limit non-free content as much as possible and tag the appropriate licensing to files. The drawing does look like a recreation of the Houston Astrodome (the purple jumpsuit) or Amor Prohibido (facial expression) or a mixture of both which is copyrighted. @Nikkimaria: what do you think about the image and if we should incorporate it in the article? – jona ✉ 12:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
I'd need links to the sources mentioned to comment on the potential copyright issue, but even without that I would question the selection. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Here's the drawing (File:Selena Drawing by Elioth.png), to me it sorta looks like a mix of the Houston Astrodome outfit and the photoshoot for Amor Prohibido. Thanks for helping – jona ✉ 13:29, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks - I don't think it's close enough to either of those where it would be considered a derivative work. I'd object to the proposed inclusion on the basis of image quality or relevance though, unless there's background I'm missing. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:09, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks Nikkimaria for your input. Much appreciated – jona ✉ 16:54, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Nikkimaria (talk) , jona ✉ , first of, thank you AJona for claryfying me that stuff, I was a bit confused, I am also an editor on her Spanish Wikipedia and when I started translating a little bit of the stuff in this her original page in English, I was like ¿What? people wept on Yolanda being arrested? jjj and then the autopsy thing was also kind of confusing since in this kind of cases, like the one in which Selena died, the autopsy is mandatory. But sure if the referenced provided can prove it, I am all done with it, plus maybe the Quintanilla family wanted doctor to perform the autopsy to stop with rumours, like the one in which people started saying she was pregnant.

Regarding the file image, its a free drawing and not a derivated work from any phortograph as I can see, in addition is one only ones we could use in all of her wikis since there are no free-file of her nowhere to be seen. There was actually a discussion I made on Wikidata for the addition of her image, but people did not cared about - [1] there was only an user saying the following *I said it before, the drawing is not good enough nor does it have good quality, and also, I agree that it is not representative. I understand that there is no other image available, but it is not mandatory to have one. I like the mural version better, but it doesn't have much quality either; I wouldn't use any.* this was Gusama Romero speaking in there.

The above ones are the only 2 free files for her. and the one I am proposing for addition is the following:

I also want to sy I was the one that uploaded that drawing work, but however with this, I also wnat to clarify I am not trying to imposed it. Certainly I think, checking at the other works, its the most representative file we could use for her on Wikis, and in a little case, add her here on her Wikipedia as well, without chaning her lead image on infobox obviously. In the other Wikis since the non-free file stuff is not well received, such as like in the Spanish one, it could be used as a current lead, while awaiting if in the future a free file one of her appears. The first file above has no color, and very little representation of Selena, it could be the drawing of any other random girl with a little asian look, and the graffiti one does not look like her either. The one I am proposing has also a little looking at her, but it has the Mexican-American representation on her behind, while also wearing her purple jumpsuit, and as you mentioned AJona, a kind of look on her face as how she did on her Amor Prohibido photoshoot. ¿What did you think? I await for your responses fellas:) TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 19:26, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Update, I checked the pages Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images in this one the part of "Making images yourself", drawing is scanned and the quality is acceptable for use, and also the Wikipedia:Image dos and don'ts and well checking at the "DON'T" chart, regarding to some of them, there would be no problem of use on being a "non-free image", and on "images that are not relevant", well since this is one of the only real-free files of using as illustration and current representation of Selena, I do not think is not relevant on her addition to her articles since is the only one we can currently use. We could add something like, *Selena was one of the first singers to introduce the Mexican-American representation between both countries and the international music market* something like that, what you guys think ? Nikkimaria (talk) , jona ✉ , I await for you my fellas, greetings. TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
You shouldn't be worrying about other Wikipedia sites here, if you feel strongly about using the drawing then I would suggest starting a discussion there since other Wikipedia sites may have different guidelines and policies than here. If anyone is interested in viewing photographs of Selena, they can just google her name, Wikipedia is not the only website on the internet. Again, our focus should be on this article here, it's not required to have an image on a Wikipedia page. I also don't agree with adding unsupported claims like the one you suggested, even though I may agree with you. However, I have to agree with the other editors who commented and oppose adding the drawing to this article. – jona ✉ 20:13, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

European Americans

What does the term European American mean in this article? Is this a euphemism for whites or non-Hispanics? Is the ethnic background of the complainers truly known or even important to the identity of those who complained? 2600:8800:7110:2A00:DD4A:D835:FD8A:5B6C (talk) 06:57, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Reading the passage in the book, the author seems to define "European Americans" as non-Hispanic Whites, and the wide disparity in reactions between Hispanics versus their white counterparts. But, I do believe the author defines non-Hispanic Whites as European Americans, rather than European-born Americans. On the importance of racial differences in her death, I would agree it to be unimportant had it only been mentioned in this book, but there has been an on-air TV feud between a pop star of Hispanic background and an African American cohost over racial differences, a book that delves into racial clashes resulting from her death throughout the country (Selenidad), and other sources that discuss the differences and clashes that happened following the news of her death, so I believe it is important. Hope this clarifies things for you, – jona ✉ 17:35, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

TheBellaTwins1445

@FMSky:, @AJona1992:, Hi fellas I am reaching up to the two of you because I am dealing with a little problem regarding a sentence with Selena's article in spanish, which is also affecting the one on english. I am Mexican but I like to edit on both english and spanish versions of Wikipedia. There has been problem this days with some information I extracted from the english one to correct the murder section on her spanish article. An user called "Chico512" in there has made some points regarding a sentence on both of her Wikipedia pages, it is the following one; «Selena was dead on arrival at Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital. The attending emergency room physician decided to attempt to revive her.» He claims the source cited, which is the following one - [2], its not reliable, which I doubt. He in the other hand wants to put any of the following ones - [3] or [4] and changing the "she was dead" sentence to "she no longer had vital signs", which is something both of the articles mention, they are both on spanish but I'll translate you what it says about this the one of BBC; "Paramedic Richard Fredrickson was the first to treat her and discovered "a bullet hole in the upper right chest"; looking for vital signs he noted muscle "twitching" but no pulse or breathing." The Univision one says the following; "I examined the functions of the brain, but there was no activity. Her pupils were dilated, they did not respond to any stimulus. She did not breathe on her own; she had no vital signs," Carlos Valdez and defense attorney Douglas Tinker told prosecutors." So what shall we do? the cited source is reliable ? the "SelenaForever" page? or should we change this information regarding as if she was really dead, or she had no vital signs? Greetings fellas, I await for feedback to make the respective changes on both articles. By the way, he also claims the SelenaForver is used as plagiarism for the article since it seems it is just a "copy-paste" from what it says in there, to her Wikipedia page. TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 19:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Another thing I found was that a Univision article, also in spanish, cited the page of SelenaForever, check this - [5] there is a part on the very down of the article in pink letters that says testimonio del médico Dr. Louis Elkins (spanish for testimony of Physician Dr. Louis Elkins) which is a link to the following part of the SelenaForever page - [6]. TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 19:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
You don't have to ping Nikimaria to this thread, I pinged her because she's an expert on policies regarding files, and the drawing you made was brought into question, though, not to say she can't participate here, just an FYI. Selenaforever.com is unreliable since it is a WP:FANSITE and hosts copyrighted material from newspapers and magazines on its website. Not sure how that source got into the article, though with the recent activity by newer accounts (including yours), I haven't kept up with this article and have since focused on other projects. Back when I did a cleanup of the article in 2015, the section was clearer, less chunky, and direct with further links to Murder of Selena if anyone wanted more information. Both sources you mentioned contain information already on the Murder of Selena article. I am in favor of what is written in the Murder of Selena article that has the information in question and remove the Selenaforever.com source. – jona ✉ 21:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
@AJona1992:, Great, now that it is clear, and after reading her murder article, I am taking off that ref. TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 22:13, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
I took out the reference, and clarified the vital signs part. Greetings. TheBellaTwins1445 (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Howard Stern information incorrect

From the article, "Stern played Selena's songs with gunshots in the background on his show." This is false. Stern never plays gunshots during Selena's songs. Fred Norris plays a gunshot sound effect during Eddie Murphy's "Yeah" song. The entire segment is on youtube has been for 15 years. I don't know why we have two secondary sources cited that make this false claim when we have the primary source contradicting it. 76.30.254.78 (talk) 02:12, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

I love you 209.80.128.50 (talk) 17:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2023

See the second to last sentence under the "Murder" section. Currently, the sentence states: 'Her official cause of death was described as "exsanguinaiting internal and external hemorrhage due to perforating gunshot wound" resulting in "massive bleeding".'

A spelling error has occured: see the word "exsanguinaiting", it must be "exsanguinating". Denisloch (talk) 22:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done Heart (talk) 00:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

La muerte de Selena Quintanilla

Fue una mujer dichosa,con un talento de canto 189.176.132.179 (talk) 16:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Selena's short description

I really think we should remove "Tejano", because Selena was more than just Tejano; she did other genres as well. Jamgorham (talk) 13:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

semi-protection

who knows if some random 8 yr old just messes something up and nobody notices (yes i know you can revert edits but that’s not the point) ShesGucci (talk) 14:58, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

me to she was very important and more than just Tejano 24.173.245.122 (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
  1. ^ Reilly, Katie. "Selena Quintanilla's MAC Makeup Collection Has Arrived And Fans Are Freaking Out". Time. Retrieved 10/6/16. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
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