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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:59, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

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Catch it, Bin it, Kill it

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Catch It, Bin It, Kill It poster
Catch It, Bin It, Kill It poster
  • Reviewed: Edna Deane
  • Comment: Still doing some tidying up on this

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 10:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC).

  • @Whispyhistory: @Philafrenzy: Both hooks are well-formatted, accurate, cited, and interesting. I like that ALT0 is snappy, but the topic's unspoken relevance to the coronavirus outbreak is subtextual and a tad coy. Given the public health angle, I feel it's better to state the connection outright—and to have a hook that links to "2020 coronavirus outbreak in the United Kingdom" on the Main Page, leading to more impressions there and reaching/informing new readers.
I think ALT0 would be preferable with the simple addition of "in the wake of the 2020 coronavirus outbreak in the United Kingdom". Alternately, w/r/t ALT1: the phrase "has been revived" raises the question of when it was introduced, and I think adding the clause "introduced in 2007" would enhance a reader's sense of the slogan's endurance/notability. Let me know what you think.
Otherwise, the article and nomination meet all criteria: it's new enough (created 7 days before the nomination and expanded 5× since March 3); its prose portion is 6900+ characters; it's neutral and well-sourced (with a measured, proportionate summation of responses to the campaign, including criticism); and there's no plagiarism (Earwig detects only attributed quotes and short common phrases). QPQ is done. Picture is free-license and displays well. —BLZ · talk 23:08, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Alt0 predated the recent expansion and I now think Alt1 is better. How about:

ALT1a: that 2007's "Catch it, Bin it, Kill it" slogan (poster pictured) has been revived to fight the 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Britain?,

  • "2007's" makes it sound like the slogan was introduced and only previously used in 2007, but it looks like it's been periodically revived since then for other health crises. Maybe "first used in 2007", or "a public health campaign launched in 2007"? Regarding ALT0, I will say that one definite advantage it has over ALT1 is that it mentions sneezing, which makes the slogan's message more clear—then again, the phrasing of "encouraged to Catch it" kinda sounds like public health officials want people to catch the disease, not their sneezes. —BLZ · talk 00:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Unstriking the first. Now I look at them again, I think both are strong. The first could go in the last slot, and the second in the picture slot. I don't think either of them require any changes. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:21, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Article looks good! I'd consider a GA nomination if you aren't already. As for the hook, I'd pitch this variation:
I feel like this would cover the COVID-19 angle found in ALT1 (without going overboard) while retaining the snappier wording (and sneezing info) of ALT0. Thoughts? —BLZ · talk 00:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Yes, nice hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 06:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
Both okay with me. Maybe the shorter proposed hook better, otherwise we may need a new reviewer. @Brandt Luke Zorn:...can you tick it if okay? Whispyhistory (talk) 21:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Several good hooks but the first with the poster is probably the best. It's self-evident what it's about. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Driveby comment -- in the circumstances should it be coughing Britons? Afaik, coughing is characteristic of SARS-CoV-2 cf sneezing/rhinitis for flu, and the last thing Wikipedia should be doing atm is encouraging people with seasonal flu to think they have coronavirus. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • The poster says "cough or sneeze" so possibly. Using both makes it a bit clunky but here is an alt:
Alt2... that coughing Britons have been encouraged to "Catch it, Bin it, Kill it" (poster pictured)?
Of course, although it has been rebooted for Coronavirus, it actually pre-dates it. Philafrenzy (talk) 06:53, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
I realise the poster is an old one presumably developed for flu, but I don't think we want to confuse people at present. Espresso Addict (talk) 09:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Can you explain what the confusion is please? Philafrenzy (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
The UK is currently in the middle of the influenza season, and at the start of the widely publicised spread of coronavirus. Most of the people experiencing respiratory symptoms in the UK at present will have either a common cold or flu, not coronavirus infection, but are likely to worry that they have been infected with coronavirus. I may be misunderstanding but cough appears to be the major early symptom of coronavirus and there isn't runny nose or sneezing, which are more likely to represent a cold or flu. Espresso Addict (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Sure, so is anything wrong with the "coughing Britons" hook? The advice is the same whether you have a cold, flu or possible Coronavirus. Catch your sneeze or cough in a tissue, bin it, wash hands. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you @Espresso Addict:... and @Philafrenzy:. The poster has been redone specifically for COVID-19, by the NHS for 2020 (says freely downloadable), without the 2007 written at the bottom. Maybe we can use that. Whispyhistory (talk) 11:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
That is the one we are using. The problem seems to be the hook, although I am unclear why as it is generic advice for any cold, flu etc. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:34, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Alt2 appears okay. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:04, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
I think my earlier response was misunderstood, sorry. Just for clarity for the promoter, Alt2 is fine, as is Alt1(a), but I'd suggest avoiding Alt0. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:31, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm on the verge of approving ALT1a. The "sneezing" vs. "coughing" distinction is a good catch regarding COVID-19, and while neither ALT2 nor ALT0 explicitly mention coronavirus it would be better to avoid potentially misleading implications. ALT1a simply states the coronavirus connection, which is sure to drive interest and clicks as the outbreak is on everyone's minds. The 2017 poster image predates COVID-19 but it remains generically applicable—from a public health perspective, both sneezes and coughs should be CBK'd regardless of whether it's COVID-19 or not. Preventing the spread of flu will also be important, given that COVID-19 by itself will put tremendous strain on medical facilities everywhere.
My one remaining concern about ALT1a: why is "2020 coronavirus outbreak in the United Kingdom" changed to "... in Britain" with a piped link? I understand that "Britain" is often understood to be synonymous with "the UK", but that just raises the question of why change it at all, since "Britain" can also be understood to refer to just the island, sans Northern Ireland etc. Is there a reason behind the change, am I missing something? —BLZ · talk 01:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Because it is shorter and, as you say, they are broadly synonymous. People in the U.K. rarely say U.K. or United Kingdom in everyday speech unless they are referring to some sort of political or legal matter. I am sure there are Chinese or Italian equivalents of this poster but they will have the same message because the advice is generic and applies everywhere. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:22, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense to me, re: UK vs. Britain. With that cleared up...
  • Approving ALT1a, for the aforementioned reasons. Thank you to the nominators for their patience and diligence, and to Espresso Addict for weighing in. The article itself is very solid and, if you hadn't already, you should strongly consider nominating the article for GA status. —BLZ · talk 08:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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