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GA Review of Ernest C. Brace

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Hi Chris, if you renominate, I'm happy to review this in the next week or two. I agree that many of the issues Dan raises are things we could resolve in short order. Sorry for this frustrating experience. -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


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Thanks for the recognition! I'm quite proud to be a member of the best damn WikiProject in the English language. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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Stepping away

Hey Chris, I saw your note about stepping away for a bit. I hope this recent GA review wasn't a contributing factor; it sounds from your note on Ed's page that you've had some bad luck with these so far, but I wanted to reassure you that these sort of reviewers are not the norm. Hope all's well on your end, and let me know if there's anything I can do to help. Cheers and all best, Khazar2 (talk) 03:16, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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A cheeseburger for you!

Welcome back, and enjoy some beef-- Khazar2 (talk) 15:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Miniscule 3686

Hi. You created the article Miniscule 3686 but all other similar articles are named Minuscule. Is the name difference correct? If it's not I can change it if you don't have time. Aisteco (talk) 22:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I guess I named the article based on the sources but it appears you are correct. Minuscule is the better spelling. Go ahead and change it. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Done. Thanks.
Aisteco (talk) 22:14, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion of interest

A discussion you may be interested in is this RFC, a proposal to make the second comma in a date/place optional. United States Man (talk) 05:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions). Our final nine were as follows:

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MOS:COMMA

I have opened a new RFC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style § RFC: Proposed amendment to MOS:COMMA regarding geographical references and dates. —sroc 💬 08:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Deleting an inbound page

Hi Chris,

I am ready for my wikipedia page to go live, however, you told me not to copy and paste but to move the page. Before that, however, I am supposed to request the inbound page to be removed. How do I do that?

Also, what if I copy and paste very specific parts of the page as opposed to the whole page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obamishigbin (talk • contribs) 02:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

@Obamishigbin: There are a couple things in play. Since the article you want change (Shelley E. Taylor) already exists, you are welcome to be bold and make edits as you need to; it would be inappropriate to have that page deleted. Be sure to use the edit summary when making changes. As you make incremental changes, another Wikipedian may revert your changes after which the issue can be discussed and a solution identified. However, if you wanted to make a wholesale rewrite (paste your version in, replacing the current content) you would need to post a message on the talk page notifying other editors what you intend to do and give them a couple days to respond, thereby avoiding potential upset.
Additionally, you are using your user page as your sandbox and vice versa. The edit history is primarily only important in the main namespace, so once you've made the changes you need to, you can copy the content from your sandbox into your user page.
By the way, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes on talk pages so editors can tell who wrote what comment. Chris Troutman (talk) 08:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Plagiarism Question

Hi Chris,

As I'm editing the Wikipedia article on Normative Social Influence, I noticed that the very first paragraph is the exact same as the definition found here: http://www.definitions.net/definition/Normative%20social%20influence

Not sure who plagiarized who, but how should I proceed? Should I just strip the first paragraph from the Wikipedia article, and resummarize it in my own words?

Thank you for your help! Jblim23 (talk) 07:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking! Definitions.net has plagiarized Wikipedia and I can tell because Wikipedia has cited the quotes in the lede, thereby proving where Wikipedia's content came from. I've run into this problem where the same unsourced quote was used in Wikipedia and other documents and it became impossible to tell which came first. There's no need to re-write anything as several mirrors and blatant intellectual thefts of Wikipedia content exist so you'd always find cases like these. I'm glad to see you're keeping your eye out for this sort of thing. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Galicia

Dear Chris. Please see my response to your message on my profile. That will be much apreciated--Martina Moreau (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Updating a stub

Hi Chris,

Normally I would just look this up on my own, but I figured it would be easier to just ask you. I am going to add quite a bit of information to the disconfirmed expectancy page later this weekend once I have finished polishing it up in my sandbox. When I do that, should I remove the STUB tags from the page/talk page? What is the general protocol for that?

Thanks, Adam Blake (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:STUB, there isn't a hard-and-fast rule for how much content makes a stub. I would say that if your improvements make the article more than a blurb, it's not a stub anymore. Choose any of the listed possible criteria at WP:STUB if any of those grab your interest. The DYK stub criteria is a good example. Regardless, be bold and remove the stub template if you think it makes sense. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I removed the stub tag from the page, but on the talk page the Psychology Project has it rated as class=stub. Can I remove that? Adam Blake (talk) 17:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
That's controlled by WikiProject Psychology. Any single member of the wikiproject can change it, but I would leave it to them. Another editor will come by and rate the article and update the listing. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:01, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Rudy redux

You might not ever want to hear from me on this subject again, but I think I've now completed my gradual expansion of the Rudy Boesch article to reach the level of comprehensiveness I envisioned during the GA review. I'd be curious to know what you think. I've tried to keep to your article formatting and citing style as much as possible. I've also kept in mind your reluctance to embrace SEAL memoir sources, by using them when I think warranted but always attributing them in-text, and by buttressing them with more general sources. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

"You might not ever want to hear from me on this subject again..."
You are correct. You've already had dozens of successful GA noms and this one appears to have been just another GA nom to you. This GA nom meant so much to me as it would have been my first successful nom and I'm bitter. I wish you had done your job as a reviewer per the published standards and later added additional content for an A-level review rather than hijack my effort. Moving the goalposts like that has helped drive me away from the GA project. Please do not review any nomination of mine in the future and don't contact me unless there's a real need. Don't even bother responding to this reply as I prefer not to hear from you.
Objectively speaking, you did a good job of incorporating all those memoirs. Mentioning the sources in the text is a good way of prefacing the material. I've not read those sources so I can't speak to how hard it was to find those mentions of Rudy or how accurate they are. As a history major, I find articles like these problematic because they're so recent and the sources are all probably unreliable. In 100 years we'll be able to use official documentation and those primary sources will have been vetted by good secondary source analysis. You added a lot of content to the article and it certainly gives a better impression to the reader of who Rudy is. I think you used an even-handed approach to address the claims that Rudy was brought in on the show as a ringer by Burnett. I note that you changed all instances of SEAL Team TWO to SEAL Team Two. I don't know why the Navy insists on capitalizing TWO, but I thought that sticking to their conventions for their organization made more sense despite looking silly. I am glad you kept the lede section emphasizing Boesch's military career over his appearance on Survivor even though he's more widely known for his time on the TV show than his naval career.
Regardless of my bitterness, you ought to submit this article for GA or better review. Rudy deserves more press and I think your efforts deserve credit, too. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:09, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
A week has gone by but I am still as dismayed by the intensity of your reaction as I have been by anything that's happened to me in eight years of WP. I've gotten bad negative reactions before, but generally by editors who are obnoxious, unstable, troublemakers, or socks. You are none of those, so clearly something has gone really wrong here. I know that WP has a norm that "Don't ever talk to me again" requests should be honored, but in this case I'm going to take a chance and violate that norm, because there are three things that I think are important to say:
  1. I am really, genuinely sorry about what I did on this GA. I should not have jumped in and begun significant contributions to an article I was reviewing. I went wrong by taking two truths – that GA reviewers have always been encouraged to step in and fix review issues directly if they want, and that no one owns articles and others can always join in – and combining them. But this results in too many blurred lines, and occurs at the moment (article submitted for review) when stewardship feelings are naturally at their highest on the part of the nominator and thus most likely to result in hurt feelings. And more than most editors, I believe that "ownership" or "stewardship" or whatever you call it is not such a terrible thing – without it, you wouldn't ever get really quality articles. The uncomfortable truth is that in fifty GA reviews, I've done this not once but three times, and although the outcomes have varied (one seemed to end up well, one started well but ended not so, and this one was a disaster), I should not have been doing this at all. So in the future, I will limit any edits on articles I am reviewing to superficial typo and formatting fixes and the like and nothing more.
  2. What I should have done with the Rudy review is fail the article outright, list everything I thought was missing from it, and walk away. Because this is the article I saw at the beginning of the review. It is 650 words long and, in my view of the GA 3a "broad in its coverage" requirement, was completely lacking in that respect. It leaves out important elements of the subject's life and, more crucially, gives the reader no inkling of why he became a legend within the SEALs and one of the most popular contestants ever on a popular television show. (By comparison, the current article, which in my view does do this, is 3,100 words long.) And given that, as we both agree, sources are difficult for this subject, there was no way all the missing material was going to be found and added within a week, the usual GA review waiting period. At that point, if I had done that, you could have, at your own pace, researched and added the things from my review you thought worthwhile, ignored the things you thought were not, and nominated the article again to see what the next reviewer thought. And whatever happened then, you would have still felt the article and the nomination was yours.
  3. Don't let what happened in this episode drive you away from the GA process! I get that you feel extra bad because it was your first try, but WP can be a rough-and-tumble place at times. My first FA attempt was torn to shreds. Another was subjected to four hundred edits in a week by someone who had very particular views about grammar and usage. I've had GA and FA negative reviews I could and did learn from, others I could respect even if I disagreed with them, and still others I could not respect at all. It all comes with the territory; any of the WP review processes are by definition highly variable and reviewer-dependent. You've just got to get up, brush off the dirt, and try again.
Anyway, the most important thing I am trying to say is that I really am sorry for my lapse in judgement that led to all this happening. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Ed tags

I noticed that you put the educational tag on the Atkinson-Shiffrin memory model talk page. It links to the 220 Social Psych course that I am in right now, but I didn't edit that page for the course, I expanded Disconfirmed expectancy. I'll go put the tag on the page I did edit, if you think it's necessary, but I don't know that it belongs on the Atkinson-Shiffrin page as I just edited that like any other Wikipedian would. I'd hate any reviewer to just assume that I am another high school student or undergrad --- it might unwittingly (or wittingly) bias them when they are reviewing the page, and I don't think that's very fair. In fact that's why I didn't put it on the talk page for the one I did for class---I may have been required to do it for class, but I put in a bunch time and effort researching other Wikipedia articles and attempting to conform to all the standards and whatnot, and I really don't want someone reading that article to see that tag and discredit it (however slightly) because of it. I think you can understand my concern.

Anyway, like I said, if you want me to put it on the one I edited for class, I can do that. The other article though, I edited on my own for my own reasons...

Best, Adam Blake (talk) 17:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia's message templates are meant to communicate good-to-know items to other Wikipedians, not prejudice them against your work. Wikipedia in fact does not have a program for high school students, so no one assumes that you are in primary education. Still, I understand your point. I reverted my edit on the Atkinson-Shiffrin talk page. If it's an issue for you, you may remove the message from 'disconfirmed expectancy' although I insist that no one thinks less of you for being a student. Please continue editing as you have been. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:15, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I sounded a bit disdainful there in my last message. I had just read some disparaging remarks about student editors on Wikipedia talk:Student assignments. I might go suggest some rewording to the lead on Wikipedia:Student assignments. The very first sentence seems pretty negative (not that it isn't a valid statement, I just don't know how I feel about it being the first thing you see on the page). Not a big deal though. I think the most frustrating thing is that it looks like some educators are dropping these assignments on students like another term paper, and learning to write in a neutral, well-sourced style is a pretty tough thing to do. Anyway, this project has definitely gotten me more interested in Wikipedia and editing here (as you can see I've already gone on to other articles and I actually have a queue lined up). Thanks for volunteering your time and helping our class out with both the general and the more technical issues! Best, Adam Blake (talk) 05:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Your TPS response to my question

Hi Chris, Firstly thank you so much for getting back to me with an answer, I appreciate the heads up about the get to know wikipedia thing also... very amusing... I can't wait to get past chapter 1. Anyway I found an article which I was reading, I went to the reference to find the information mentioned and it wasn't in the article at all... In fact the name didn't even appear in the particular article... It could be an intentional error to create a valid reason for a link from wikipedia... Which seams a little fishy... I am asking as my grandfather who is Iranian suggested the information is incorrect...

article: Iranian Australian The first case of an Iranian to enter Australia and gain Australian citizenship was Jacques Cadry in 1951.[2] ^ Hassall, Graham; (ed.) Ata, Abe (1989). Religion and Ethnic Identity, An Australian Study. Melbourne: Victoria College & Spectrum. pp. Chapter "Persian Bahá'ís in Australia" The article cited does not mention Mr Cadry at all... I don't know if this is a useful edit to make but I thought the fact may require a little more checking? Thanks Dan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danomitey (talk • contribs) 10:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. I removed that sentence and the spurious reference. In the future, be bold and make changes when needed. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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Bisk Farm

Wish You a very happy new year Bisk Farm is my article,Please do not change any thing.All the details are related to originality.

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GA review for Audie Murphy filmography

Chris, per WT GA suggestion that this article be renamed after the GA review to Film career of Audie Murphy, I believe that will be a good idea. But so I don't get into a move-move back war, could you please make a mention on the review that this was suggested at WT GA. Thank you for your help. — Maile (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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Original Research

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Hi Chris. Belated welcome back to Wikipedia. You may recall that, back in September, you suggested that I had tried to publish original research in the Thomas More article. That accusation is completely untrue, and I would appreciate it if you could withdraw it. You responded at the time, which I appreciate, but you didn't withdraw the accusation regarding original research. In fact you compounded it by suggesting that I had attempted to edit the More page "according to my own opinions" and that I had done so "as if what [I] believe is unquestionably true". As it happens, you're mistaken on that score too: there are very few things I believe to be "unquestionably true" - Cogito Ergo Sum and Pythagoras's theorem would be two contenders, and I'm not even certain of those - so the idea that I regard my beliefs about Thomas More as being beyond question, let alone that I would edit Wikipedia accordingly, is very wide of the mark. But I don't want to spend too long debating your assumptions about what I believe. All I want is to tackle once and for all the suggestion that I attempted to publish original research in the More article. Could you therefore please substantiate that accusation or withdraw it. I think I've been quite patient in waiting two months (and counting) for this to be resolved. I fully accept that you felt the need to take time away from Wikipedia in October, and realise that you could not respond at that time, but now that you are back I'd appreciate it if you could resolve this outstanding question. Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 02:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm so sorry. You deserved an answer long ago and I failed to get back to you. I had begun developing a reply but I wanted to be precise since there's been disagreement. Sadly, I was overcome by events. I've already posted to the More talk page so the audience can see it there. I'm going to be brief, so please no tendentious replies.
Take for instance your deletion. You went on a long explanation of why you thought that content was biased. You never provided sources beyond your own belief about More. You never provided any academic criticism of Marius's book.
I previously brought up your deletion at Catherine of Aragon. The text communicated what the cited sources said. It's not up to Brooklyn Eagle on behalf of the English-speaking world to determine the sources didn't mean what they said. As I suggested back on 8 October, you are welcome to remove improperly sourced content or use the inline templates to raise questions about particular sentences. I've looked at your edit history and I agree that often you've helpfully removed POV and bias from various articles. This time I think you're stretching too far, especially considering you haven't brought a single source with you after all these weeks.
In conclusion, if you felt I claimed you were writing original research, consider that rescinded. I think you can go on at least using inline templates and raising questions on talk pages about POV issues. And please, adopt a nicer tone. I'm trying to appreciate your zeal for getting this right but you don't come off well at all and it makes a difficult discussion needlessly harder. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, and also for the gift of sugar, which was a nice gesture. No worries about the delay, I realise you were busy. Besides, as you can see from this, I'm not exactly lightning fast when it comes to replying either.

With regard to what you say, you keep bringing up Catherine of Aragon, despite the fact I've already acknowledged I might have erred on that occasion. I stand over trying to correct the ludicrous idea that we can have any idea at this remove whether CofA was beautiful or not, and particularly the patently untrue suggestion that Shakespeare (who was born after CofA died) described her as such, but I accept that I should have handled it differently. So I repeat my question from last time: are you going to keep bringing it up forever, or can we get back to the discussion in hand? The discussion in hand was about Thomas More.

With respect to your request that I change my tone, I'm sorry if I sound harsh. As I've said several times, I take very personally the suggestion that I tried to publish original research. I'm glad that you've now acknowledged that that accusation is untrue, but your statement (on the Thomas More talk page) that you never said it in the first place does rather undermine the apparent goodwill you showed by rescinding said accusation.

But I'm prepared to offer you the benefit of the doubt, to accept that because of the passage of time you've forgotten the occasion on which you suggested that I'd tried to publish original research. So let me refresh your memory. Here's what you said of my attempt to edit the More page: "It is not the job of editors to philosophize about St. Thomas More." What you meant by "philosophize" might possibly seem open to interpretation but, fortunately, we don't need to do any interpretation. You very helpfully and clearly spelt out what you meant by "philosophize". You'll note that that passage is in blue font, and if you click on it you will be redirected to ... yep, Wikipedia's prohibition on the publication of original research.

I hope that jogs your memory. Like I say, I do appreciate the retraction, but perhaps you can see why it doesn't sound entirely sincere when that retraction is along the lines of "If you think I accused you of something then please consider the accusation rescinded (but in fact I never accused you of it in the first place)". Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 05:52, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

PS Further to the above, I note that the person who originally wrote the paragraph that I was objecting to (in the Thomas More article) has come forward to explain himself. He states (with disarming honesty) that he unilaterally decided to "balance" the article because, in his opinion, Marius was not as "reliable" as other sources and did not reflect the "standard" view. Like I say, his honesty is admirable, and he also comes across as genuine and sincere. Unfortunately, he also stated that he was "not sufficiently interested" to find sources to substantiate this opinion, which was based on a "recollection from many years ago". This vindicates what I've been saying all along, namely that the paragraph in question was clearly agenda-driven. An acknowledgement of that would be much appreciated.

Anyway, since the contributor has, by his own admission, done exactly what you accused me of back in October - namely approaching articles with his own opinions and editing accordingly (with few if any sources) - I look forward to you delivering the same lecture to him as you did to me. No doubt you'll tell him that, "it's not up to you, on behalf of the English-speaking world, to say that Marius is unreliable" etc etc.

Finally, it's also interesting that another user has come along and deleted (without any discussion on the talk page) two sourced quotes (one by Marius), dismissing them as "POV verbiage". This is exactly what I did back in September, the edit that you instantly reverted. Or rather, it's almost exactly what I did. The difference being that the stuff I deleted was, as you now acknowledge, improperly sourced in at least one respect (and not at all sourced in most others), whereas this latest edit has removed sources that are 100pc accurately reproduced. Again, I await with interest your lecture. No doubt it will be along the lines of, "In Wikipedia, we consult on the talk page before deleting referenced content".

After all, you're completely even-handed, right? You're not, I assume, the sort of person who reverts "incorrect" edits merely because he disagrees with them but ignores equally "incorrect" edits he agrees with. Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 06:00, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'm going to answer your accusations on the article's talk page. Don't bother me about this again. Seriously. Don't contact me ever again. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Shipping_Wars

Chris, I am having trouble with a web page. Some one keeps adding a lengthy summary to a table Shipping Wars and I keep deleting it. can you rectify the problem? Mphsmeister (talk) 21:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)memphismeister

OK. For future reference, when you have problems like this discuss it on the talk page. Placing warnings on talk pages is the best ammunition you can give sysops to block a problem user. Sometimes a talk page discussion resolves the issue. I've put warnings on the talk pages of the offending IPs. If the behavior continues, apply vandalism templates (level 2 up to level 4) until a sysop is needed. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:36, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Can you move a review page?

Audie Murphy filmography has just been moved to Film career of Audie Murphy. GA review is now a redlink. Can it be moved? — Maile (talk) 16:00, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done Chris Troutman (talk) 19:26, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. — Maile (talk) 19:27, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


Seeking comment on an area of your expertise

I'm doing a graduate research project on Will Eisner's PS Magazine. I see from your editing history you are familiar with the publication, and I'd love to pick your brain on the subject. Would you be interested in touching base? I'm Graham, stecklei@usc.edu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CED9:DC30:C40D:875:3E5C:DB97 (talk) 17:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing. Check your e-mail. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:55, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Take a Cake Break

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Sending you a little gingerbread cake to thank you for your GA review and DYK review that helped get Film career of Audie Murphy on the front page on Jan 26. It got more than 10,000 views. — Maile (talk) 02:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks! I was glad to see it. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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