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How to post information that is confirmable but difficult to source[edit]

The location of a radio station's transmitter was given to me by a friend with local knowledge (who asked me to make the update). I was able to confirm it on Google Maps but could not find a static source to use as a reference. The location currently on the web site (that presumably was correct at some point but no longer is) is also unsourced. I tried to update the information but my edit was reverted because it was not referenced. I tried finding the information on the FCC's web site and the radio station's but was not able to.

As noted, the information in the current page is also not referenced. What is the best way to handle this?

In addition, is there a good source for answers to questions like this or generally a guide for people, like me, with experience editing occasionally over the years but not educated about nuances or tools that might make editing easier. Jreiss17 (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Jreiss, and welcome to the Teahouse. If the location cannot be sourced by a reliable soruce (which in this case would not need to be indepedent) then it should be removed. ColinFine (talk) 14:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am not sure. This may be a WP:BLUESKY situation that doesn't need sourcing. The coordinate location of a radio station is verifiable by anyone with a smartphone GPS who goes to the station to verify its coordinates. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Probably stupid question. How do you know where to go to do so, if you don't already know the coordinate location of the transmitter? {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 16:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You call, or go to the radio station's physical office address and ask them where you can have a look at the transmitter, if it's in a different location than the radio station. The verifiability burden isn't much different from going to a library to look up a book. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oookay. Until I retired I worked for a company who carried out emergency repairs on UK mobile phone antennae (which are often mounted on masts for other things, like radio broadcasting, as well as on their own dedicated masts, or on roofs or walls of large buildings, or inside church steeples, or disguised as trees, etc.). Our company alone averaged around 100 visits a week, and we weren't the only ones in the business. A good few of those repairs were made necessary by vandalism and sabotage – stealing the cables to sell for scrap is an international criminal operation, and you might be surprised at how many people think phone/radio masts are part of a sinister government plot to infect everyone with cancer and/or Covid (yeah, really), and try to set fire to them.
While mast and other cellphone etc. antenna locations are obviously not secret, and of course within the industry we necessarily had all the information (did you know there are/were around 100,000 sites in the UK – the companies are trying to consolidate and share sites, but it's a slow process), if a random member of the public starts asking about transmitter mast locations, eyebrows might be raised and the police might want to take an interest, just in case. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 08:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it's a problem, then we simply don't include it in the article. The geolocation of the company is more relevant than the location of the transmitter. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Biden assassination attempt article?[edit]

Somebody should create an article about the guy who crashed his U Haul truck near the White House and tried to kill the US President Joe Biden Onion1981 (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onion1981: Somebody might, if the event meets the criteria for a stand alone article (WP:NEVENT). Otherwise it may end up as part of the article on Joe Biden. RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To me, it looks like a minor triviality at this point. but future coverage may justify an attempt to create an article. ~~\\
Onion1981, he talked about it, but DID he try to kill Biden? I have the impression he didn't get past the security barrier--a long way short of reaching Biden. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
He clearly attempted something, I'm pretty sure if POTUS wasn't the most guarded person in the world, he would be dead, js. Onion1981 (talk) 14:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onion1981: I don't think it's really worth creating an article. It hasn't really received much coverage, and isn't very notable as a standalone topic. It would be best to have a sentence or two somewhere in the Joe Biden article. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 22:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I may need help with my article due to my grammar[edit]

Im not a native english speaker and i am not so good at writing articles: i wrote one for a notable actor and alleged voice actor for a game

Alexandra cristina echavarri Lecároz

Thoughts? Any advice or help? Thanks! Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Ayyyple2, welcome back. Grammar is the least of your worries here, I'm afraid. Your article is about a living person, but it has no inline citations, only a list of external links at the end, and most of those are useless as far as establishing that this person is notable. It's very likely that your article will be moved to draft space because it's not ready to be part of the encyclopedia yet. (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thats a Shame, if its a living person with a few popular roles... i mean Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2 it's all about the sources, especially in a BLP. It would have been better if you'd created a draft to start with, worked on it, then submitted it to AfC. (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2 I have moved the article back to draft space since it was clearly not in line with WP:BLP guidelines. You can work on it again at Draft:Alexandra Cristina Echavarri. You should first read the guidance at the BLP link and this essay. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do you want to help me on it Ayyyple2 (talk) 16:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, folk like me who help out by answering questions at the Teahouse rarely want to be involved in drafting articles, as we have our own interests. I occasionally do help, as with Draft:Roger Starr earlier today but that's the exception which I did because it was clear to me Starr was going to be notable but just needed a few more references which I could provide. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I dont know what good external references are.. and the images, how do i do that? Ayyyple2 (talk) 18:43, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do you know someone that could help? Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2 In Wikipedia, we refer to "good external references" as those that come from reliable sources. Read that linked article carefully and note, for example, that IMDb is not one of them. Once you have found a good source, incorporate it into the article using inline citations. Don't worry about images for the present: your hurdle is to convince experienced editors that Echavarri is notable by Wikipedia's definition. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:27, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Shes a notable actor but i have no idea what sources to add!! Im thinking of making of Bryan Zampella, another actor... for example what are Good sources. I edit on my phone Ayyyple2 (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2, maybe it would help to look at a Good or Featured Article on an actor and see the sources they use - for instance, Florence Pugh. Or you could visit this list of frequently discussed sources and see which are good, which are bad, and the reasons for those determinations. (talk) 14:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I updated my article, i mean shes a notable actor, i added good sources... but maybe i need help Ayyyple2 (talk) 15:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2, there are still zero inline citations. Have you read WP:BACKWARD, which Mike Turnball linked you to above?
Erase everything. Start over. Gather only your reliable sources. Read them, summarize the information, and place that summary in the draft, with inline citations to the sources. (talk) 15:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Citations? How do i do that? 2001:9E8:4742:E800:6C86:5824:5C34:BC88 (talk) 06:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2: Please see Help:Referencing for beginners, and remember to log in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That looks hard... im on my phone so its gonna be hard .. i just dont know tbh 2001:9E8:4742:E800:6C86:5824:5C34:BC88 (talk) 07:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is there any way to cite the Ethereum blockchain for historical accuracy of NFTs?[edit]

Citations of public blockchains. Snarflakes (talk) 23:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, you can't cite blockchains. You can cite other sources that discuss the blockchain. RudolfRed (talk) 23:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the response. Citing on-chain Ethereum transactions would be an excellent objective historical documentation strategy. To the powers that be here. Snarflakes (talk) 23:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would seem to me that a blockchain is merely a WP:PRIMARY source, and therefore subject to the same kind of caveats as other primary sources, but by the same token could be used for the same purposes. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Related to what Tigraan says, any particular blockchain is just a data storage system. We may know it's harder to tamper with but that doesn't make it a WP:RELIABLESOURCE using our definitions. If, say, the New York Times, decided to start publishing work on a public blockchain, we could potentially cite and use that as a reliable source, but perhaps more discussion on-wiki would need to take place. But the vast majority of content on any blockchain is WP:PRIMARY and/or WP:SELFPUBLISHED and so is subject to those restrictions. Skynxnex (talk) 20:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the clarity. Specifically regarding NFT artwork, the date of the transaction of the deploying of the original artwork contract(intention being perhaps setting a timeline of provenance) is immutable because not only is it timestamped, but the unchangeable contract itself carries permanently blockchain coded descriptors of the artwork. Therefore that source can never be reversed on a legacy established chain like Ethereum or Bitcoin which again has never had a historical transaction reversed or changed. Snarflakes (talk) 21:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Whether the data is immutable is not the point. Data published by, for example, the US Census Bureau or the US Patent Office may also be immutable, but it is still considered a primary source that in most cases requires interpretation by secondary sources before it can be used as a reference on Wikipedia. We could theoretically use data in a blockchain to support the fact that that data is indeed in the blockchain, but interpretation of what that implies as far as real world actions by real world people should be left to secondary sources. CodeTalker (talk) 01:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see, I was in fact wondering which editors would be equipped in wikipedia to actually review the blockchain to confirm the claims made. That job is left to the secondary sources in the current system. Nonetheless, I think a small team of wikipedia editors could actually do that with minimal effort, but that maybe too much responsibility/turst given to those individuals... Snarflakes (talk) 02:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If what you're actually asking is creating a system where editors on Wikipedia could review primary sources and effectively create a "secondary" source that's suitable for us to cite... I'm not sure that's likely given the past history. And it'd require amending Wikipedia:No original research (which WP:PRIMARY is a part of). Which isn't impossible but seems unlikely. And I think putting it within the context of blockchains is even less likely to work since, as far as I know, the amount of information that's only on a chain that'd be worthwhile to analyze/interpret is fairly small. Is there a particular article you think would be improved by providing a reference to the Ethereum blockchain? Sometimes specifics can be helpful to clarify what you want. Something like the date of a transaction may be okay to cite per #3 in WP:PRIMARY but I'm not having an easy time thinking of when we'd want to discuss such a thing but no secondary sources mention/discuss the date. Skynxnex (talk) 00:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is creating templates as registered user posssible?[edit]

Hello Wikipedians, I am EnjoyBrowser557. I felt extremely curious of if I have the ability to create Wikipedia templates. I knew that there is a template editor rights that can be applied on some users. Template editor is an user right that have the ability to be only granted by administrators. I actually searched up templates on Wikipedia and in terms of discoveries, I saw many of them, in which are used on articles, userpages, talk pages, Main page, categories, essays, and other policies. Although, many of them exist for a reason and admins are the ones who created it, I wanted to know if I can create any template. So users, here is that question: Is that even possible to create templates as a registered user and autoconfirmed user, or only admins or sysops can create templates? Try to answer that. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 22:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hi @EnjoyBrowser557 and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe that creating templates is possible as a registered user. the template editor right is just to ensure that high-risk, common, and very complex templates (and lua modules) don't get edited by those who aren't skilled enough to understand them. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, EnjoyBrowser557—welcome to the Teahouse! Last time I checked, every (logged-in) user can create a template. However, note that templates are intended to be employed for specific uses. Help:A quick guide to templates is a good place to get started on learning how templates work. You can create your own personal template in your own userspace, as your own user subpages can be transcluded as normal templates can be.3PPYB6 (T / C / L) — 23:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@3PPYB6 @Melecie Could you please give me more detail on how to create templates as registered user without causing Lua errors or goofs? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 23:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Any templates that you might break are usually WP:TPROT (template protected). Lua you don't need to worry about yet.
Remember, creating a template does nothing until it is transcluded. For example, User:Sungodtemple/vand/rightgreatwrongs1 I have created but literally never used. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 23:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sungodtemple If you created User:Sungodtemple/vand/rightgreatwrongs1, however you never utilized it, are you going to utilize this template in other talk pages and articles in the near future? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 23:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
EnjoyBrowser557 obviously the template is not meant for use on articles, but I probably won't use it on user talks. It's not like the extra 1 KB is doing anyone harm. Some users have also created non-functional templates, such as User:JPxG/Sig. Just make sure you don't fall under WP:U5. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 23:35, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sungodtemple However, what does U5 mean to my own? If you define it to me, explain it why? When did this got added? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 00:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you only edit in your user subpages, those subpages could be deleted under WP:U5, since Wikipedia is not a free web host. I doubt this would happen to you. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 00:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sungodtemple Why is Wikipedia is not a free web host? I edited articles and I have my userpage containing material related to building an encyclopedia. Furthermore, I have contributed well on Encyclopedia by adding content and citing sources. But is there an explanation of why is this site, not a free web host? Why is this policy exist? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 01:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:NOTWEBHOST means that you can't do something like host a forum on user subpages on Wikipedia, or try to game the system. Again, I doubt you are doing this. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 01:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@EnjoyBrowser557: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You don't really mingle on here. The Tips of Apmh 01:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, understandable, I am advised that I am forbidden from mingling here and I definitely trying to stay on task on creating an encyclopedia. Thanks for you. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 01:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@EnjoyBrowser557 as someone who has made and edited quite a few templates I can say it's quite simple. Just find a purpose you want to make a template for, easiest would be a navbar for beginners, and then find a similar template and copy it's code into your sandbox, and play around with it until you get what you want, then move it to mainspace and link it in articles. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Immanuelle I finally understand that reply. I will need the basics to create a template in a few months. Netherless, thanks already. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 17:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is referencing allowed in user subpages?[edit]

Is referencing in user subpages allowed? ThatRandomEditor101 (talk) 23:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ThatRandomEditor101: Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, references are allowed on user subpages. You might want to play around with a new draft or a revision of part of an article on a user subpage and make sure it looks good, and that includes references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't have a draft, but I have my version of the list of islands by area. Also, thanks. ThatRandomEditor101 (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ThatRandomEditor101, referencing is not only allowed but encouraged on any Wikipedia page where article content is being discussed and debated. High quality references are like gold on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 07:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ThatRandomEditor101 The only things I can think of that shouldn't be put within user pages are certain categories and nonfree images: assuming that what is there is relevant to developing content for the encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


My changes were undone for not a fair change. I am related to him and I spoke true facts and it was undone. Please fix ProvbalyNotZav (talk) 00:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ProvbalyNotZav: Welcome to the Teahouse. In regards to your edit at Zac Morris, you must cite where you're getting your information from from a reliable source. That doesn't even touch on it being language that is unsuitable for an encyclopedia. Your other edit isn't constructive either. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, ProvbalyNotZav. You added your opinion about something. You may be right, you may be wrong: it doesn't matter. Your opinion (and my opinion, and any other random person's opinion on the web) do not belong in Wikipedia articles. Articles should summarize what reliablesources say, not what an editor thinks. ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References to Sites with Affiliate Notices[edit]

When adding reference links to articles, are websites that have affiliate notices considered reputable? For context, I noticed on the Octane Render page that it has a link to Octane's own website on the Octane-X paragraph, and the link reference is to Octane's website also. This led me to searching for reputable websites that referenced this stuff so I could fix it. Two in particular, (specific links to potential references) Apple Insider and 9to5Mac have disclosures that they earn money for affiliate links. Thanks for any help and clarity. Chadnc (talk) 05:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Chadnc, and welcome to the Teahouse. Try WP:AFFILIATE for some information, and read through WP:RS for some general information that may help you. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

bots to update article sections[edit]

Hello. I am a novice editor and have consistently been updating the sex education policies and access section in the Sex education in the United States page. However, policies are always changing and it can be hard to review the source material and constantly update which policies are changing where. Do you think I could employ a bot or other strategies to help me update that section of the page more easily?

Thanks. HEARTBURNPIGEON (talk) 05:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, running a bot on this isn't possible due to the complications that could happen if the part that it updated was changed or deleted, and bots don't usually make prose changes in articles. I also don't know how you would be able to do this and get approval for it. The best way is just to make the changes manually. Thanks, JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@HEARTBURNPIGEON You may find that the template {{As of}} helps in situations like this. Behind the scenes it populates a category page highlighting articles with potentially dated statements, making it easier for human editors to know what might need updating and making it very clear to readers when the article's information was last checked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can also consider tagging a section with an appropriate Current Event template, found at WP:CET. I don't think that's appropriate for the entire article, but if there is an actual ongoing event (like a legislative debate or a relevant court case), it can be helpful to tag the affected sections. Actualcpscm (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks you all! I will definitely consider the following next time I edit the page HEARTBURNPIGEON (talk) 18:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


IN ONE ARTICLE , it is stated that the winner of the Stanley Cup is NHL League Champion I do not think that is so . I say that for 2022-2023 the Boston Bruins are The League Champions of the NHL Joe Byrnes LANNIN 127 (talk) 06:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Stanley Cup Hello, LANNIN 127, and welcome to the Teahouse. On the article, it says that The Stanley Cup is the championship trophy awarded annually to the National Hockey League (NHL) playoff champion. This is true, and per WP:CRYSTALBALL, Wikipedia is not the place for predicting future events or results. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@LANNIN 127: Which article? I don't find it in the search "NHL League Champion". The Boston Bruins won the 2022–23 Presidents' Trophy which is not the same as the Stanley Cup decided in June. Presidents' Trophy#History says:
The Trophy was introduced at the start of the 1985–86 NHL season by the League's Board of Governors. Prior to this, the best team in the League during the regular season was allowed to hang a banner reading "NHL League Champions."
The term appears to be unused today. Are you sure the article said "NHL League Champions" and not "NHL Champions"? The latter means the winner of the Stanley Cup. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has no control over what Google does. You'll have to go through their channels. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Copying text across articles[edit]

Is there anything objectionable about copying large blocks of text from one Wikipedia article to another, as was done in this edit of "History of North Macedonia" (text copied from COVID-19 pandemic in North Macedonia)? Fabrickator (talk) 07:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Fabrickator: At the very least it needs to be properly attributed per WP:COPYWITHIN. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Fabrickator. Copying content from one article to another is just fine, as long as attribution to the source has been given. The edit summary should say something like "copied content from COVID-19 pandemic in North Macedonia". Cullen328 (talk) 07:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cullen328: Setting aside the issue of properly attributing the copied content, it seems that the timeframe of the Covid-related information has become somewhat ambiguous. The Covid information presented was evidently for the period from February 2020 to July 2020, but it is not apparent to what extent this section is expected to be in chronological order. As written, we can only conclude that after July 2020, Covid just suddenly disappeared in North Macedonia. Fabrikator (talk) 08:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fabrickator, I did not take a look at the appropriateness of the content, but just the attribution issue. If you can update the content with more recent sources, that would be a great improvement. Cullen328 (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cullen328: It seems that you misunderstand, I am not advocating for this edit, I am advocating against it. My feeling is that the involved editor is repeatedly making inappropriate edits. He insists that he has the right to "add information" to articles. His preferred approach to doing this is to copy text blocks from one article to a related article. I have reverted a couple of his edits, but I am looking for other editors to confirm that my objections are valid. He is motivated to make these changes because he believes that editing a lot of articles is the path for him to obtain higher privilege levels. Fabrickator (talk) 17:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why does my article look like an advertisement[edit]

Hello, I'm a first time writer so I'm finding it difficult understanding some of the rules. I started an article for a non-profit organisation that I have no affiliation with. The reason I started the article is because I was reading about Women who code and saw that an organisation like that is present in Nigeria. However, the article's draft keeps getting declined because of a COI. Would anyone be so kind to tell me what needs changing or removing? I have read the notability, advertisement and COI articles. Draft:She Code Africa.

I really need help, I'll be super grateful if anyone can please point me to what I'm doing wrong. Hannydevelop (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You've asked for help in several locations, please use only one way of asking for help at a time. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hannydevelop One of the problems is that you have parts like the paragraph that starts "They have the School of engineering....." which are the sorts of thing that might be on the organisations website but are less relevant to an encyclopaedia article and do sound like advertising. This is a case where "less may be more". You have some sources that meet the golden rules and perhaps should trim the draft to focus on those, illustrating why the organisation meets the notability guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:32, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See Women's Technology Empowerment Centre as to how it might look, although even that article is far from perfect (actually, no article ever is perfect). Lectonar (talk) 12:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, Hannydevelop and welcome to the Teahouse. One of the difficulties, perhaps, in writing a Wikipedia article about a tech subject like this, is that a lot of the coverage comes from tech, business, and entrepreneurial publications, which often talk in a business and promotional language and tone.
It's not a trivial task reflecting what these sources have to say without talking the same business and promotional language. Add to that an editor who is well-versed in writing at a professional level, and add to that suspicions (whether well-founded or unfounded) that there may be undisclosed paid or unpaid editing, and that makes the prospect of having a "reads like an advert" tag attached or it failing review for that reason.
As for fixing these issues, follow Mike Turnbull's useful advice (above). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Esowteric I'll like to know if there's still any tone of promotional content in the article? Also, is it a COI if I applied for the program in 2020 but didn't get in? Hannydevelop (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi again, Hannydevelop. Others here like Michael D. Turnbull can give you a far better idea than I can about the article's tone as it now stands. As for the UPE that has been removed by an admin ("not UPE"), that has now been taken up instead as a possible COI, perhaps others here could read through the talk page threads and offer guidance or options for dispute resolution. It reminds me of the Monty Python sketch about the Spanish Inquisition, which is not what we expect when visiting the Teahouse. Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There's certainly a COI here, but simply placing {{UserboxCOI|1=She Code Africa}} at User:hannydevelop is all that's needed to resolve the issue. Then submit the article through AfC, and use {{edit request}}s in the future. (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think Theroadislong added that already Hannydevelop (talk) 15:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is nothing on your user page. You user page is here: User:Hannydevelop. (talk) 15:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, I have added that. Is there something else I should add? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hannydevelop, you could add {{connected contributor}} to the talk page of the draft if you like (or I could, or anyone could) if you feel it necessary, but it's not technically required. You've declared as requested, that should be the end of that issue. Unfortunately I'm not at all familiar with WP:NORG so I can't help much when it comes to sorting through the references on your draft. The ORG criteria are tricky. (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for you help. I really don't like when people decline drafts with no reason. If you feel it sounds like an advert, you should let the editor know what they're doing wrong so that they don't repeat it Hannydevelop (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hannydevelop, they did give you a reason - it was just a very general one. Reviewers aren't required to give such specific guidance; if they were, fewer people would have the time to be reviewers, the backlog would shoot up and the system would probably break down. The vast majority of us are volunteers with limited free time; generally, the onus is on the person wanting to do something to do the research and educate themselves via links provided. That's one reason why writing articles from scratch is so hard for newcomers. Sometimes even for experienced folks. (talk) 15:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
can you take a look and let me know what I'm missing? Most non-profit organisations like and SCA don't have many references available online so its suprising when someone declines them as not notable Hannydevelop (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
inappropriate promotional content in the lede section alone includes “They have a strong focus on expanding their reach” “membership locations across 20+ African countries, She Code Africa is currently the largest women in tech community in Nigeria” “programs encompass a wide range of technical and non-technical fields, including bootcamps in Cloud Engineering, Web development, Product management, Product design, Mobile development, Program management, and more” “has actively built networks and partnerships to train young secondary school girls and women in relevant tech skills.” there is more. Theroadislong (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is very helpful, I'm working on them now. What do I do if the linked sources are announcement for call of application written by a secondary party? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hannydevelop, the primary problem at this point seems to be your sources, which, as I said, I'm not very competent at evaluating when it comes to organizations. If I were writing the article, I'd find someone who did know sources, give them a short list, and ask if any were any good. If they said "Yes, those three are good", I'd start writing the article based only on those sources. A very short, simple article with lots of inline citations to those good sources, and nothing else. Make it very easy for a reviewer. But that's just how I tend to do things. (talk) 16:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Theroadislong thinks two of the sources are unreliable since thry're blogs. I'm removing them now. He also gave a clear statement of the promotional tones and I'm currently removing them. I don't really know much editors but @Theroadislong is giving helpful tips. I'll ping @Theroadislong when I'm done. He has been extremely helpful. I'm also sorry for disturbing you good people Hannydevelop (talk) 16:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you so much @Michael D. Turnbull this was super helpful. I have trimmed down the article's tone and references according to the guide given. Please, if you're a little less busy check it out, all reviews are welcome. Hannydevelop (talk) 12:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hannydevelop You should also read neutral point of view because the real problem is not really the COI. The whole draft is written in marketing lingo and will never make it to "article" status at this state. The Tips of Apmh 12:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hannydevelop: Welcome to the Teahouse. There is language that I would expect to see in ad copy. In the lede alone there's She Code Africa is closing the gender digital divide in Africa by creating mentorship programs and [i]n 6 years of running, they have actively created networks and partnerships to train young secondary school girls and women with relevant tech skills. In §History, there's

She Code Africa, created an environment that encourages young African women to grow successful tech careers, and ensure they are equally represented across all career roles and levels in technology.

In addition to being unsourced, the use of encourages makes me feel like the organisation is being unambiguously portrayed in a positive light, and there's a neutral point of view that must be maintained on this site. The use of vague verbs like trying and focused on doesn't help either. I personally don't like when etc. is used in prose, as it's a lazy way of saying "I'm not going to mention any more things, so click on the reference to find out more!"
On a side note, please get rid of the comma splices. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm removing these sentences, thank you for your review Hannydevelop (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm sorry that you've been put through the mill across at your talk page, Hannydevelop. Thank you for your question at the Teahouse, and for your contributions to Wikipedia. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No problem, I'll delete those once I have this sorted out. It seems a lot of people take money to write articles, that's why no one wants to believe when I say I don't have any affiliation with SCA. I just want to know what I'm doing wrong. Hannydevelop (talk) 14:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Hannydevelop, it seems you do have some affiliation. This is not really a big deal - you're not going to get blocked, your draft is not going to get deleted. All you need to do is put a small notice on your user page and submit the article through AfC; then, if it's accepted, you can make edit requests on the talk page if significant changes are needed in the future. (talk) 15:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's why I came to the tea house, will you consider someone who applied to a "school" but didn't get in an affiliation? Hannydevelop (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, @Hannydevelop. This can all be resolved in ten seconds if you simply place {{UserboxCOI|1=She Code Africa}} on your user page, and continue to go through AfC. You're not going to be arrested or anything. (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The COI is a little more nuanced than that. Perhaps the text parameter could be used to allow Hannydevelop to better express herself? See Template:UserboxCOI#Parameters. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Certainly, but getting the simple declaration out there and done seemed like the first priority (also easiest to do!). Further tweaking can now commence if desired. (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just a note to say that the first rejection (promotional content) has now morphed into a second rejection for lack of notability. FWIW, I've been through the references and wikilinked those web sites or publishers that have Wiki articles, but I haven't looked closely to check the references for in-depth coverage or verifiability. Other sites may be notable. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Theroadislong has pointed out what needs removing. I'm on it now. Hannydevelop (talk) 16:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I need someone to add the term on the meaning for the 2023 hip term that's being used a lot with the name Ben being used to refer to a furry like double meanings kind of like Karen how that has became what it was it's currently only being used in most of Australia like most of it but it's also now being used all over some big city's in America and the UK to refer to a furry BananaSmugglingBandit (talk) 15:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Have you got any reliable sources WP:RS at all? - Roxy the dog 15:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @BananaSmugglingBandit, welcome to the Teahouse. As mentioned above, Wikipedia is not a collection of reports on everything that is happening in the world - it is an encyclopedia that summarizes what has been reported in reliable sources. Have any major newspapers, for instance, mentioned this new term? (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia is not a dictionary and the page you have linked to is for people, whose name is Ben, with Wikipedia articles, i.e. not the use you are trying to add. If you think the word should be included in the page Ben (disambiguation), you would need to write an article, and have it accepted first. As explained at WP:NEO, Wikipedia is cautious about such articles as such "articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term" - Arjayay (talk) 15:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BananaSmugglingBandit On the other hand, there is Wiktionary which is a dictionary. Maybe its entry for furry will give you an idea how to add to its entry for Ben: but you will still need valid sources. Ben is already American slang. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reference Creation Tool[edit]

Is there any tool that I can use to automatically fill out references for me? Like I can input the date accessed, book name, author name and then it just outputs a properly formatted Wikipedia reference tag for me? Esoptr0n (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Esoptr0n, welcome to the Teahouse. The simplest and most widely-available tool is the one attached to the top of the edit window - in source editing mode, it's just labeled Cite, and brings up a drop-down list of templates to be filled out and inserted. Visual editing mode has a similar button. (talk) 16:13, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for showing me this Esoptr0n (talk) 16:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Esoptr0n: There are various tools of varying fancyness for this, but the format I found to be most efficient when I was writing a lot of pages quickly was to have a simple txt file on my computer with the minimum information that I always want to be in a citation. It has the following templates in plaintext:
JOURNAL: <ref>{{cite journal |first= |last= |title= |journal= |volume= |issue= |pages= |date= |doi=}}</ref>
WEB: <ref>{{cite web |url= |title= |publisher= |date= |access-date=}}</ref>
NEWS: <ref>{{cite news |url= |title= |work= |first= |last= |date= |access-date=}}</ref>
BOOK: <ref>{{cite book |first= |last= |date= |title= |publisher= |page= |isbn=}}</ref>
For me the easiest way to cite a lot of information quickly is to just paste by hand the info into these barebones templates in the old-school editor. Your mileage may vary of course. - Astrophobe (talk) 16:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Esoptr0n Even better is the WP:citation expander, which does all the work for you and is brilliant for journals with a digital object identifier in particular, although it works to a limited extent on webpages and books as well. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for the info Esoptr0n (talk) 16:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is the Wikipedia Tea House associated with the Tea Party politicians?[edit]

Is the Wikipedia "Tea House" associated with the Tea Party politicians?

I know that conservative Tea Party politicians are always trying to censor liberal celebrities, so I was wondering if Wikipedia is Tea Party. Tonyterryfacebook (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Tonyterryfacebook, welcome to the Teahouse. Teahouses are much older than the Tea Party - but probably not older than tea parties. Wikipedia is run by the nonprofit Wikimedia Foundation, or WP:WMF - follow that link to learn more. (talk) 16:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No. The Tips of Apmh 16:35, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Interesting, the usual criticism Wikipedia gets is that we are too liberal and trying to silence conservatives, not the other way round. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is my Article notable? + Trouble at making the Article itself[edit]

Hello, ive written an Article for the Actor Bryan Zampella, which hes also speculated to be the next actor for the next gta game. Ive written everything but i think my grammar is bad. Ive researched so much and it was so hard to do on Mobile. I think i just need help. Anyone want to help/give advice? Ayyyple2 (talk) 16:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Ayyyple2, and welcome to the Teahouse. The most important thing you need to do for this article is to include inline references: have a look at WP:Referencing for beginners to find out how to do this. You also don't need the Hacking in the 2020s navigational template, one template is usually enough. I'm reformatting the article slightly to conform with other biographies of living persons, but you will still have to place the references in the article, supporting each statement (WP:BLPRS might help in this instance).
Also remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and that Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors.
Hope that helps! ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ayyyple2, I agree with ContributeToTheWiki. Rumors do not belong in a biography of a living person, so please remove all that speculation. Unless this person has received significant coverage in several reliable, independent sources, he is not notable. Actors who have had only minor roles are rarely notable. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean he did not only play minor roles Ayyyple2 (talk) 17:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2 In its current state, the article will not pass the review by the new page patrollers and they will draftify it or possibly reject it altogether. I urge you to move it back to draft space yourself before that happens. You seem to have a huge bunch of unused references at the end, which don't appear to belong in the article at all. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Comment: Article moved to draftspace: Draft:Bryan Zampella ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did add how it is not confirmed it is him, i really tried my best. There's also :
But im really bad at this, sorry Ayyyple2 (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ayyyple2 Looking at your Talk Page, you have a history of creating poor articles in mainspace and having them draftified by others, including myself for Draft:Alexandra Cristina Echavarri. You appear to have abandoned these drafts but gone on to create other mainspace articles on different topics. This is causing unnecessary work for other editors and you should in future always use the WP:AfC process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I apologise for my behavior mike, i really am trying my best but i write all of this on my phone which can be hard, sure i have time, but im a beginner... i dont even know how to create Drafts, is my article even notable? Ayyyple2 (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
one of my modt notable articles id Francisco lugo viña molina Ayyyple2 (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, Draft:José de Lugo-Viña y Molina has multiple issues. As to "know how to create drafts", why don't you just click on the WP:AfC link I have already supplied and all will be revealed! Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh im not talking about jose, his brother francisco Ayyyple2 (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Theres also the Soybooru one, i thought this was easy... what do you recommend me doing now? Ayyyple2 (talk) 22:12, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that Draft:Francisco Lugo-Viña Molina is better: you are using the correct AfC process for that and it has already had many helpful edits from others including myself. My suggestion is that you now slow down and return to those drafts which need more work before you start anything new. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you.. ill try to citate stuff if possible.. on phone its a bit of a mess Ayyyple2 (talk) 10:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is it normal to have subjects covered at Simple Wikipedia but not here? Can someone copy it over with attribution? Start an entry on it? I already have an extensive backlog and none of my AfC drafts are getting reviewed. It's ridiculous we don't have coverage of subjects like these and are blocking their addition. FloridaArmy (talk) 16:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @FloridaArmy, welcome to the Teahouse. Someone certainly could do that - you might have more slightly more luck asking at a relevant WikiProject, rather than here. There's even Draft:Takatomi Senge. I'm not sure what you mean by "blocking their addition" though, since the title isn't create-protected. (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FloridaArmy It seems like you believe that your drafts are more important and should get reviewed first, which is excusable for a newcomer but you have a hundred-thousand edits? The Tips of Apmh 17:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please don't put words in my mouth User:The Tips of Apmh. I never said that. Clearly the system is broken. Clearly it shouldn't take months for notable subjects to be added. Clearly the response to people pointing out the problem shouldn't be false and aggressive personal attacks. I asked if someone can copy the existing entry over or start and entry for this subject it as I am unable to do it in a timely manner. Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:26, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FloridaArmy Are you aware that the AFC process is voluntary?(unless you have some editing restriction or topic ban) If you are confident your drafts would survive an AFD discussion, you can certainly move them to mainspace yourself. There are thousands of drafts awating review and very few reviewers to look at them. The list of needed reviews is not a queue; reviewers pick drafts to review. 331dot (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
331dot, FloridaArmy has an editing restriction requiring the use of AfC and limiting the volume of their submissions. Cullen328 (talk) 19:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for that clarification, I suspected that but hadn't checked. FloridaArmy, you are just going to have to be patient until such point when you are able to get your editing restriction lifted. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FloridaArmy, simple:Takatomi Senge was written by Immanuelle, who may wish to create Senge Takatomi here in en:Wikipedia. (Yes, his surname was Senge, he was Japanese, and he was born before 1868; so MoS prescribes the Japanese name order.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FloridaArmy I'm not territorial with topics. There is a requirement for attribution from simple english wikipedia though, but there's a template for that in talk pages. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
user:Immanuelle I'm not familiar with the policies or the template involved. Would you be willing to copy it over. Of note, there is also Draft:Senge Takatomi if there's anything useful there to use. FloridaArmy (talk) 19:19, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@FloridaArmy Here's info on the rules of translation Wikipedia:Translation. Simple english isn't really another language but it requires attribution since it is another wikipedia.
You would put this template on the talk page of the article to indicate attribution. Change it depending on the article. Just saying you took it from the simple english wikipedia article (or whatever other wikipedia) in edit history is helpful too, especially if it is unclear which parts are translated and which are original.
In the particular draft of Draft:Senge Takatomi I would be happy for your help in working on it. I haven't been working on it lately. He's a pretty notable figure and it's hard to find english language sources on him. You can read about him more in the articles Sect Shinto and Izumo-taishakyo. I'm quite surprised no movie was made about his life. He was born to an ancient line of priests, had his family shrine confiscated by the government, and his father died when he was relatively young, he was censored in numerous occasions, but managed to be an influential advocate for religious freedom, and all of this happened while Japan was industrializing, and his family shrine was only returned decades after his death in 1945. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FloridaArmy, your user page points to a long list of drafts. I looked at what appears to be the oldest one, Draft:Richard H. Wells. To be fair, this has not been submitted as a candidate for an article. It consists of two short sentences: "Richard H. Wells was a state legislator in Florida. He represented Leon County, Florida in the Florida House of Representatives from 1868 to 1872." (I don't think that anything would be lost if this were instead simply "Richard H. Wells represented Leon County, Florida in the Florida House of Representatives from 1868 to 1872.") And how did he represent it: lazily, energetically? Any significant achievements? Any praise or criticism from other politicians or the press? The draft tells us nothing whatever. It does come with a reference: "Florida's Black Politicians by Canter Brown Jr. page 148" (no italics). I infer that Wells was Black; he's starting to sound potentially interesting. This book: Its publisher, ISBN? I go to Worldcat. Looking for au:canter brown AND ti:black politicians brings ... zero. I'm glad that this draft hasn't been submitted. Please point me to one that is submitted, and I'll review it within 24 hours. -- Hoary (talk) 12:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
User:Hoary thanks for your response. What does au:... mean? It shows up as a bluelink but clicking on it doesn't seem to work. Googling that yields this so I'm not sure what issue you're raising? Here are my submitted drafts. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You enter that search string in at WorldCat, not Google. au = author; ti = title. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FloridaArmy, its history will show that I've just spent some time on Draft:Mayor of Fayetteville, Arkansas. Two of the references were bare urls: I fixed one, now you fix the other. In the citation templates, we provide the name of the website, not its domain name, after website= (thus not but instead website=New York Times). I fixed one or two instances of this; now (i) you do the rest, and (ii) I go to bed. If the draft looks pretty good tomorrow morning (my time), I'll happily promote it. -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Knoops Chocolate[edit]

Hi, I have a question. I recently created a draft and submit at Afc it got accepted and reviewed as well. Knoops Chocolate

My question is my does the talk page is listed on google? Why not the article page? Simonriley1994 (talk) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Simonriley1994: just to be clear, your draft wasn't reviewed at AfC and accepted, it was moved into the main space by a relatively new editor who is not an AfC reviewer. The article has since been patrolled, however, but that was only a few hours ago, which may explain why it doesn't yet show up on Google searches. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Formatting and false and misleading content[edit]

1. is there a format program or manual to review as i have a hard time formatting even simple changes.

2. why do you allow clearly political statements especially from subjects of the 1950s and 1960s yet refuse to publish fact ( which is established) later in the 1990s or 2000s with KGB/CIA and other files become open public knowledge? Especially in Africa de colonization and civil wars conflicts (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you give an example of an article which refuse to publish fact (which is established)? ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello. WP:CHEATSHEET may be useful. As for your second question, it is far too vague and sweeping and open ended. Wikipedia editors deal with specific questions about specific articles. If you claim that some editors "refuse to publish fact", then you need to provide convincing evidence in the form of specific articles and talk page discussions. Cullen328 (talk) 17:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cullen328: IP editor may be referring to this edit of theirs, which was reverted, as part of the claimed refusal to publish fact. (talk) 18:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for pointing that out. That particular edit was unreferenced, argumentative, and plagued with typographical errors and excess capitalization. The proper place to discuss the substance is Talk:Guinea. Cullen328 (talk) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do I get started?[edit]

I'm a new editor on Wikipedia, and I am familiarized with some Wikipedia essays and advice from other editors. You all are welcome to give me greetings, and plus, my first edit is New Covent Garden Market. I also created my userpage as well as knowing how to use userboxes in a right way. I really wanted to explore around Wikipedia. Also, in addition to this, I am using the guest mode on my own browser. This is my first step to being a Wikipedian. I also plan to find sources on the Internet as time flies by. How do I even get started with Wikipedia and its pages? = ThisImpartialGuest94 (talk). 18:49, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It depends on how you want to contribute. I participate a lot in article expansion and creation. I started off expanding the article on the Manuma. One big thing I wish I did was use the VisualEditor as it makes templates and formatting citations much easier. ✶Mitch199811 19:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Mitch199811 Try to give me examples of article expansion and creation, and using VisualEditor. = ThisImpartialGuest94 (talk). 19:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ThisImpartialGuest94 Experimenting yourself is the best method. Try starting here and don't rush! Ask another question at the Teahouse if you run into a specific problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can this search function somehow have an exception and be removed?[edit]

The search function I am mentioning is that when you type CS:GO into the search bar it sends you to the Czech(?) Wikipedia on the GO disambiguation page. Is there any way there could be made an exception? (on the Bulgarian Wikipedia) Thanks RadoGaming7 (talk) 19:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(for those unaware of what CS:GO is) Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 20:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RadoGaming7 Typing "CS:GO" into the search bar of vector 22 (the current default skin on English Wikipedia) gives the Counter-Strike article as its first suggestion. If Bulgarian Wikipedia does something different, you'll have to complain there.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Michael D. Turnbull: On the other hand, if you press ↵ Enter after typing CS:GO into the search field, it will bring you to the Czech Wikipedia as described. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@RadoGaming7: Exceptions are not possible. cs is the interlanguage prefix for Czech. If you enter or click CS:GO or anything else starting with cs: in any capitalization then you are taken to the Czech Wikipedia. It:Chapter Two goes to "Chapter Two" at the Italian Wikipedia instead of the article It Chapter Two. I once placed an English note linking to the English article. I don't know whether the Czech Wikipedia would allow something similar. Such a note cannot depend on which wiki a user came from. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is an American game with an English title and the English Wikipedia is the largest so if a note is made then it should point to the English Wikipedia and not the Bulgarian. Species:The Awakening. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was WP:BOLD and added a link to the English page, but it seems that the local concensus is against that. Carpimaps talk to me! 08:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is archiving a clipping from overkill?[edit]

Typically, I archive these links, but this time around I'm having issues with my usual go-tos for archiving links. As a result, I'm passing on archiving my cited clippings. My assumption is that since they're from they'll be more or less permanent. Is this a reasonable assumption to make or should I archive these clippings later? Thanks!—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@CurryTime7-24 The main reason to continue to archive the links is for the convenience of our readers. is pay-to-view, although they do offer a free trial period. The Wayback Machine is likely to continue to be free, like Wikipedia itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! I used to use Wayback Machine, but they're so slow and often times the site makes me wait for long periods before I can archive a link. Which is why I switched to Megalodon a couple of months ago, but lately it's been giving me grief with links for some reason. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, there are bots which automatically create the Wayback Machine links, so it should be no big deal to leave it to them. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Got it. Thank you so much for your reply! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Finding the books I created[edit]

I have created several books using book creator. Ho do i find my books and reopen them to add more pages Jasbflower (talk) 20:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Jasbflower and welcome to the Teahouse. Are these the books in your list of contributions? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, those are mine. But if I use that path in book creator it doesn’t recognize me as the creator. Jasbflower (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jasbflower The book namespace no longer exists. See WP:Books for the background. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
... and if you click on one of your previous contributions, you'll see a message on the top telling you the book rendering service has been withdrawn. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don’t understand what you’re saying. I don’t know what a name space is. My books are not published or public, they are not an article I intend to publish in Wikipedia. They are books I have built in order to gather a number of articles on a subject I am interested in. Jasbflower (talk) 20:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jasbflower Sorry, I looked at User:Jasbflower/Books/Blanchflower's and saw a big warning message at the top, which is what I thought was relevant. Help:Books which you appeared to be using no longer works (see that link). Technically, it used something called a WP:namespace but it doesn't matter that you don't know what that is. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:04, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I’ve seen that warning over and over. Whatever it is warning of, is not what I am doing. I created several books, when the warning was present, nevertheless, I created all the books. I simply don’t remember how to get back to a book, it entails using a “path” jasbflower/Books/Blanchflower.
can I put a * or some other “word” to see all the books I have created? Jasbflower (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jasbflower: The bottom of Special:Contributions/Jasbflower has a "Subpages" link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:Jasbflower/ which shows the books you have created in your own userspace. You also created some books in the socalled Book namespace which wasn't personal but shared. Those books have been deleted but can be restored to your userspace on request. As an administrator I can see these deleted books: "Being Digitized", "Judasim to Christianity", "Auditing in the Modern Era", "Blanchflowers", and "Philosophy" which you didn't originally create but you overwrote an existing book. There is also indication of books called "Digital Dasein" and "Modern Auditing for Government" but they cannot be restored. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes please restore anything I created to my user space. I did not knowingly overwrite anything but my own creations. The over written books were probably created by me with a different user name, older than jasbflower or perhaps the difference is that the older user name was all lowercase. Jasbflower (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jasbflower: I have restored the five books to your userspace. For three of them I added "2" to the title to avoid a name clash with an existing book. In 2016 you overwrote an old book "Philosophy" from 2009, probably by accident after choosing a title which already existed. I have only restored your version. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Levels of vandalism[edit]

If someone does something like blanking pages, can we just skip to a level 4 warning? User101FrOas (talk) 20:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User101FrOas Hello and welcome. Warnings may be used as is appropriate for the circumstances- you don't need to go through 1, 2, 3, 4, final if the problem is serious. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for your help User101FrOas (talk) 20:44, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Citing Troubles[edit]

Hello all, I am currently trying to fix the sources for the hit 2004 stealth video game Metal Gear Solid 3. I would like to fix the issues addressed by this review. I am having trouble finding a better source for citation 37. Do you, the teahouse, believe the parts with that source in it (37-39) should be removed, as it may fall under WP:TOOMUCH. What are your thoughts on this issue? CadNav (talk) 21:53, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CadNav If there aren't other sources that talk about her outfit, it's not worth mentioning. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 22:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, that featured article review stated that IMDB was used too many times. I want to cite the credits of the game, would I just put a reference of the game, or do I need to actually write what the credits say in the game? CadNav (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to add a wikilink in an article for itself?[edit]

First of all, sorry for the confusing title, I don't know how to phrase this question exactly.

If I were to type [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]] in this page, it would show up as Wikipedia:Teahouse (boldface).

How do I change the default behaviour and make it a regular wikilink if possible? QuickQuokka [⁠talkcontribs] 22:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Try [[#section_that_doesn't_exist|your text here]]. This turns into your text here. Or you could do a redirect, like WP:TH. Why do you ask this question? Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 22:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sungodtemple: To link Wikipedia talk:Edit Request Wizard on itself. I am currently writing a talk page comment on it to ask somebody to fix a flaw in the wizard if possible, becuase I wanted to make an edit request on a template, but noticed the wizard didn't work. QuickQuokka [⁠talkcontribs] 22:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah. I might be able to fix that. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 22:29, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hidden Information[edit]

How do I put a "hidden" message in an article like that can only be seen when editing in the source editing mode? I've seen it before but I forgot what action is to be taken to perform something like that. Like "this is here but you can't see it in the main article for example", something that is usually only read when editors are trying to edit the article. Onion1981 (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Onion1981. I don't know whether VisualEditor can make such comments. In the source editor, place it between <!-- and -->. See more at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Invisible comments. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PrimeHunter and @Onion1981: Yes, this can also be done (and also seen) in the visual editor. Typing <!-- will automatically bring up the invisible comment prompt, at which point you can type whatever it is into the text field and click Insert when finished. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it's easier to remember, you can also use the dropdown marked with "+", there it will bring a list of useful options. Carpimaps talk to me! 04:50, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template Question[edit]

I have just created [template] and am wondering how to add an autocollapse feature to it as you can see on Maynard Alfred it takes up a lot of space. Thanks for your time. Masohpotato (talk) 23:30, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Masohpotato: It looks like the new template is based on {{Navbox}}. From looking at the instructions there, you should be able to set "state=collapsed" to have it start in the collapsed state. RudolfRed (talk) 23:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On and Upon[edit]

There's a lot of places in the UK which are triple-barrelled with words like on and upon separating the first word (usually the abbreviated word for the village/town/city) from the third word (which are usually seas, canals, rivers, former counties etc).

However recently I've noticed that a lot of the articles for buildings and other areas in those villages/towns/cities which are named after those villages/towns/cities are using the abbreviated names, not only in the article title but also in the opening paragraphs.

For example there's...

Both of which are obviously named after Berwick-upon-Tweed where they're located.

Should they all use the full names if they're clearly named after the triple-barrelled place they're situated?

Should they keep the abbreviated name for the article title, but use the full name for the rest of the article?

Google isn't much help with this type of thing, as they're usually around 50/50 in terms of what is the most common name, plus a lot of the time, websites have got their information from Wikipedia which is incorrect a lot of the time, especially when it comes to things like specific addresses, Danstarr69 (talk) 00:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, I think, combining WP:ON WP:COMMONNAME, it would be best to just leave them with their current names, as from what I can tell that is what they are usually called. Thanks, JML1148 (talk | contribs) 01:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
An article about an individual person typically starts with that person's name, complete with all middle names and the like, just once. (Thus the article Bill Clinton starts "William Jefferson Clinton (né Blythe III; born August 19, 1946) is an American politician".) So perhaps articles about places should treat placenames analogously. My guess is that guidance is given within Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), but I can't pretend I've read this. Read it and digest it, and if it fails to explain then ask at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). -- Hoary (talk) 04:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Creating a Carus Chemical Company Wikipedia page[edit]

Hello, I need help creating a Wikipedia page for the Carus Chemical Company. Can someone please help write/finish such an article? Thank You Bond000777 (talk) 04:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bond000777: Welcome to the Teahouse. I see you've asked this exact same question at a user's talk page and a tangentially related article's talk page, as well as starting a draft on the subject. There might be a WikiProject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster management where an interested editor might be willing to help out. It would help if you could secure secondary sources that are reliable (preferably three). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Teahouse hosts are here primarily to advise, not to co-author. You've started a draft. Do not proceed unless you think you have at least three references. David notMD (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can't certain kinds of letters be used as references?[edit]

I know that Wikipedia frowns on using letters as references. But what about letters written to the subject of an article from (1) a important public figure such as a country's prime minister, and (2) a noted religious leader — both held in general high esteem and respect?

Augnablik (talk) 06:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Augnablik: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason why Wikipedia frowns on using letters as references is because they're limited in use and don't establish notability as Wikipedia defines it. The examples you've given would be primary sources due to their direct connection with the subject, and one could only state what was written in those letters; any interpretation, analysis, evaluation, etc. on the editor's part is forbidden by the no original research policy and its subsection synthesis.
In short, you can write about the contents of the letter, but not any further in what it means unless you have a secondary source that is reliable that makes such observations.
The question here is: what would your intention in using them be? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Augnablik. If these letters written by an important public figure such as a country's prime minister and a noted religious leader — both held in general high esteem and respect are worthy of discussion on Wikipedia, then surely these letters have been studied and analyzed by historians. If so, cite the historians. If not, then these letters are not as significant as you think. It is not the job of a Wikipedia editor to decide which primary sources are important and deserving of attention. That is the job of the authors of the reliable, secondary, independent sources that we summarize. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, no, the letters haven't been studied and analyzed by historians ... the subject of the article died fairly recently, and although he was notable in several areas, I'm not sure how likely it would be for general historians to delve into them. Historians within the areas in which he was notable, perhaps at some point.
I knew the letters might not past muster, given WP:RS, but I wasn't sure if there were exceptions and that was my question. Augnablik (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, I'm not sure where to go with this, but there's a serious issue with Outer Manchuria: that word never referred to the areas ceded by China to Russia until the Wikipedia article was created in 2004! I'm not sure what should be done now, but I see this as citogenesis. Any guidance appreciated! See also: Wiktionary's Outer Manchuria entry. Please ping me here if you have any advice for me. Geographyinitiative (talk) 06:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Geographyinitiative. Start by describing your concerns at Talk:Outer Manchuria. I agree that the article is poorly referenced, but Manchuria also describes "Outer Manchuria" as territory under Russian control along its easternmost border with China. I have no expertise with the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Krishna Singh Thakur[edit]

Hello, why my articles was not approved? Itsthakurrr (talk) 11:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On Draft:Krishna Singh Thakur:
  1. Lack of "significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". If you disagree, then please (here, in this message thread) provide links to the best three of the sources.
  2. Junk such as "Krishna Singh Thakur is an emerging artist of the Indian pop music industry. He is an absolute heart throb who is destined to rule this industry in upcoming years."
If he's emerging, it may be better to wait till he has emerged. -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Itsthakurrr I see some similarity in subject surname and your user name. By chance direct or indirect connection with subject Draft:Krishna Singh Thakur then read WP:COI. Also read WP:RS there in WP:SPONSORED mentions "..Sponsored content is generally unacceptable as a source, because it is paid for by advertisers and bypasses the publication's editorial process.." For example this thePrint news (used as source in your draft article) is press release since PR is written with word ANI. (Ref). Bookku (talk) 11:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note they admitted they are the subject here KylieTastic (talk) 12:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Itsthakurrr You might like to read the recently-created article Mizzy (TikToker) to discover that an article in Wikipedia is not always a good way to gain publicity Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello, Itsthakurrr. Like many people, you are mistaking Wikipedia for a platform where promotion is appropriate. Wikipedia is something completely different. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh dear, indeed: Despite his growing fame, Thakur remains grounded and believes in humility. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
information Note: OP has been indefinitely blocked for not being here to build an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:55, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Article split discussion[edit]

Hi, Can someone close these particular discussions:Talk:Bheemili Assembly constituency#Split new article, Talk:Machilipatnam Assembly constituency#Split new article and there are few others as stated here:User:456legend#Constituency splits. I don't know how to close these discussions. 456legend(talk) 13:13, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@456legend: Welcome to the Teahouse. You're looking for closure requests. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tenryuu Thank you for the input but unfortunately I do not understand how to request it close the discussion. I will take some more time to understand it myself. Thank you. 456legend(talk) 15:45, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving my own drafts to userspace[edit]

I am slightly stressed about some drafts that I don't intend to work on before the 6-month limit, namely Draft:Gino Menconi and Draft:Villa Triste. I certainly intend to work on them at some point, but they're not a priority. I usually create my drafts in userspace in order to avoid autodeletion. Am I allowed to move those two to User:Festucalex/Draft:Gino Menconi and User:Festucalex/Draft:Villa Triste respectively? To add, I know I shouldn't have created them in the first place. I was a bit of a n00b when I created them back in February. I know better now. Festucalextalk 14:39, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Hi Festucalex, yes you can move them to your user area, or you can make a trivial edit to reset the 6 month clock - which I just did by fixing the links. I would say it depends on if you would appreciate help from others as when in draft they are more locatable. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @KylieTastic: Thanks mate! Festucalextalk 14:53, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why do obscure topics not mean non-notable, as per guideline?[edit]

For point of reason, I searched up through essays about notability and I found this one. Notability depends on relevance, significant coverage, and where it is featured in awards. However, there are some topics, that are not well-known, but stays in that article due to this page. Plus, obscure topics are the least likely to get deleted, and salted. For example, a single page has few edits or interest a limited a number of people, but it met notability guidelines. Therefore, those articles on Wikipedia are accessible by anyone, but lack common interest. I knew that a topic has only interest to a small number of people, but why those obscure topics deserve to stay in Wikipedia, although it does not seem to be notable? Why does obscurity not mean non-notable? Would you love to explain why and elaborate? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 15:31, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@enjoybrowser557: the only determinant of notability is having independent, reliable sources that document the subject significantly. "obscurity" has no bearing on the notability of an article. lettherebedarklight晚安 15:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Further explanation: Why does obscurity not have bearing on the non-notability of an article? Wikipedia is accessible to all readers, but why do articles about obscure topics remain in online encyclopedia? /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 15:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because obscurity is irrelevant. As lettherebedarklight said, obscure ≠ non-notable. Notability is the minimum standard for an article. Valereee (talk) 15:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
EnjoyBrowser557 obscurity is a personal judgement, what is obscure to you may be a daily topic for thousands or hundreds of thousands of people. The consensus on Wikipedia has decided that if a topic manages to show notability then it is not obscure. What do you deem not obscure? should a subject be popular and known to the mainstream public - if so that would exclude the majority of articles. KylieTastic (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@EnjoyBrowser557 – put it this way—an article's subject may be extremely obscure, but if you dig out your sources throughly, you may find out that yes, the subject is in fact covered in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject.3PPYB6 (T / C / L) — 16:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@3PPYB6 You got it, next time we should dig in through the sources if we believe that the article based on the topic is obscure. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 18:15, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Obscurity is irrelevant. Valereee (talk) 19:42, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Valereee Did not know that obscurity has nothing to do with notability guidelines, so that means that we should let the articles with limited general interest, completely accessible to professionals and future readers. /EnjoyBrowser557 (userpage) (talk) (contributions) 22:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Automatically change image[edit]

Is there a bot or template that will automatically change an image. For example, currently File:Neusiedler Lake satellite.png is used about 70 times on various articles, most about Lake Neusiedler. I just uploaded a much higher res satellite image of the lake at File:Lake Neusiedl.jpg. Instead of manually going in and changing all 70 images, is there a way I could do that automatically. Thanks PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 16:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Instead of uploading it as an another file, you can update the original file. Carpimaps talk to me! 17:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PalauanLibertarian: I think the images are too different to overwrite the original file. They also have different source and license, and it's not possible to overwrite a png with a jpg. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Carpimaps@PrimeHunter I agree, so is there any way to do it without overwriting the file PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 22:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@PalauanLibertarian: I haven't tried it but see commons:Commons:GlobalReplace. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 22:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I want to format the sub-bullets in an article differently from the main bullets. It's very confusing for readers to see black dots at both levels. But when I go to the bullet formatting, I don't see an option to do this. Am I missing something?

Below is an example in the article of what I'm talking about.

Augnablik (talk) 17:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Augnablik. If it is necessary, you can do it with HTML - see MOS:BULLETLIST. But I would urge you to consider whether the information should be presented as a list at all: see WP:PROSE. ColinFine (talk) 17:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help adding copyright tag to photo[edit]

Hello! I am new to the editing community and want to to contribute positive edits and updates where it is needed. I recently uploaded a file that is a more-recent image of a public figure and used an image someone photographed. In their Instagram bio, they say that their work can be used as long as credit is given. I am having trouble with finding an appropriate tag for the image, which can be found here:

It is the profile picture for

Is there anybody that might be able to clarify or assist with making sure I am respecting the author's work and using this image fairly?

Thank you! Wwe wikihelper (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Wwe wikihelper. Simply saying "that their work can be used as long as credit is given" is not adequate. The photographer must release the image rights under an acceptable free license. Please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for complete details. Cullen328 (talk) 18:38, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What happened with this page and its attribution?[edit]

Yesterday I made the page Draft:Jessica Watkins (Capitol rioter) under the name Draft:Jessica Watkins (Oath Keeper) and something confusing happened and it ended up split into two pages and one Jessica Marie Watkins is in mainspace. What is the story behind this? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, Immanuelle. On 26th at 22:26 UTC, you created Draft:Jessica Watkins (Capitol rioter). Twenty hours later CT5555 created Draft:Jessica Watkins (Oath Keeper), and then five minutes later they moved it to main space as Jessica Marie Watkins, leaving their original draft behind as a redirect.
I suggest the two of you get together (perhaps on Talk:Jessica Marie Watkins) and agree how to pool your work on the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Jessica Watkins - entirely different person - has a note at top "For the Capitol rioter, see Jessica Marie Watkins". David notMD (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

account merge[edit]

I'm trying to merge two users on

After reading as much as I could find, it looks like I have to have someone with Bureaucracy capabilities do it for me. I am pretty sure I have this correct, assuming I need to do a merge.

I'm not even 100% sure there are two users because they are "Todd" (my first name) and "Bezenek" (my second name) and I remember seeing "Todd" in places where I now see "Bezenek", but on some old posts, I see "Todd" on the signature, so it is always possible. I did the obvious thing and searched for "User:Todd" and I find someone who is obviously not me based on their edit history that the search found.

Where do I go and/or who do I need to contact?

Thank you in advance,

Todd Todd (talk) 19:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bezenek: Your username is Bezenec but your signature shows Todd. If User:Todd is not your account please change the your signature so it is not confused with the other one. In any case, accounts cannot be merged. Just pick one account to use and abandon the other one. Leave a note on your user page saying "This user previously edited under the account of (name)" RudolfRed (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Edited, since I read the question better. RudolfRed (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bezenek: You probably entered "Todd" in the "Signature" field at Special:Preferences in 2021. It has never been your username. You can remove it to sign as your username "Bezenek". You could also enter "Todd Bezenek" to display your full name but "Todd" alone is confusing. There is a user called Todd and Special:Listusers/Todd has thousands of names starting with "Todd". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello PrimeHunter,
That's a great answer. Thank you.
I have a unique name, so if I use my full name, everyone will know everything I do. But, this is Wikipedia, and the point is to be open, so I'll use my full name.
Thank you for the suggestion. You made it easy to decide. Bezenek (talk) 06:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bezenek: Keep in mind that if people need to ping you, they're going to use your account name, Bezenek, regardless of what you put in your signature. If you would like to change your account name to your full name, you can submit a name change request. User:Todd Bezenek doesn't seem to be in use. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The page I created was declined.[edit]

The page I created was declined. Amr Ali Salem al-Bidh (talk) 21:03, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Amr Ali Salem al-Bidh You edited your user page, which is not article space or space to draft an article. You may create a draft via Articles for creation. Since you seem to be writing about yourself, please read the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Formatting question in 1979 Easter flood[edit]

Hi everyone!

Just a little while ago (10 or 15 minutes or so) made an edit to the leader of the article 1979 Easter flood. In doing so, I decided to, at the same time, try to clean up a formatting imperfection in the preceding paragraph, which is the first paragraph in the leader. I was interested to see that there is an automated mechanism that displays the translated-into-current (or the desired updated target date, anyway) dollars value (in this case, the damages of a disaster) of the thing being referenced. Unfortunately, the way that the coding for that mechanism is written into the coding for the article ends up breaking up that line of text, or at least it does on a laptop view. It makes it look like a couple of different things: 2 paragraphs (instead of one), an incomplete sentence, or at least sub-par editing. I tried doing a couple of things to try to correct that to make the paragraph display properly without the line break, but to no avail. Is there anybody who can tell me how to fix this? Please and thank you.

QuakerIlK (talk) 23:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello QuakerIlK! The unwanted break in the lede paragraph was caused by the placement of the Coord Template, that places geographical coordinates at the top of the page across from the article title (not displayed on mobile). According to the template documents & WP:ORDER it should have been placed at the bottom of the article, above Categories. So I moved it there & now the lede paragraph is unbroken. Hope this helps! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 01:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wow! Thank you, LooksGreatInATurtleNeck. Such a brief, simple edit I was making, yet in the process of trial-and-error and inquiry, I learn not one but two things - although I am not sure I will ever actually apply that knowledge. Just FYI (and in case anybody else is looking in), I was born and raised in Jackson, so I have a memory (faint as it may be because I was only 4) of the flood. It didn't reach our house, but our dead-end street was blocked as the adjacent street was flooded in at the next intersection, so we couldn't go anywhere for a few days, although my maternal grandparents were about as hard hit as anybody else with 5 feet of water in their house. I made it cross-referential both on its page as well as on the 1979 Red River Valley tornado outbreak page because I recently received a book on the 1979 Easter flood as part of the personal effects of a uncle of mine who died a few months ago. In reading the introduction, I was stunned to learn that both were caused by the same storm system. I had also long known about the Wichita Falls, TX tornado that was part of that outbreak because in the mid 1990s, the secretary (who was a nice lady) of the academic department I was working for, as a student worker, in North Texas told me about it. IIRC, she was from that area, although if not, it was practically local history as it was only about a 1.5 hour drive from where we both worked at the time. She described the 1.5 mile-wide multi-vortex system and its devastation and, this being before the internet had really proliferated that much, I'd never heard of such a thing. I always remembered it, and I have read up about it on the internet over the years, as well as watched the rather good documentary/documentaries about it on Youtube. So, when I discovered a few days ago that they were both connected in such a way, I was surprised and it made an impression on me. I don't know that my making this edit and making it cross-referential on both pages will serve any larger purpose, but since I was so surprised to learn of it and since I discovered that neither page made mention of the other, I thought that it wouldn't hurt to make the edit, as least from my information junkie perspective.

QuakerIlK (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Becoming an auto confirmed user[edit]

How do I become an auto-confirmed user after creating a new account? What features can I access after becoming an auto-confirmed user? ClimateForest35 (talk) 03:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ClimateForest35: Welcome to the Teahouse. Accounts become autoconfirmed when the account is both at least four days old and at least ten edits have been made. There's more information in the aforementioned link, but users gain the ability to move pages and edit semiprotected articles, among other features. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, thank goodness for knowing that level. Auto-confirmed is 4 days and 10 edits. Gratias agimus tibi! ClimateForest35 (talk) 04:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Can anyone help me with this Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Raj sahu z I didn't know that he was a blocked user. I revert only some parts of his text which seem neutral and have a reliable source. But he, again and again, reverted my every edit without any explanation. I am a newcomer so I don't know how to handle this investigation Bruhh is here (talk) 03:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Bruhh is here is suspected of bing a sockpuppet at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Raj sahu z and is edit warring at Jabbar Singh Sankhala and elsewhere. My advice - stop all article editing until the sock investigation is resolved. It is clear that an editor is watching all of your contributions and reverting all as being from a suspected sock. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Alright, I will not edit until the investigation resolve. Bruhh is here (talk) 11:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Podcast as a reliable source[edit]

Are podcasts a reliable source? May I please cite them on articles after inserting content with discovered information? If not, explain? How can they be used wisely? (talk) 03:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This may be an unsatisfying answer, but it depends on the podcast. If you link it here, and link the article you'll get more concrete feedback. Questions to ask are:
  • Is this podcast a primary or secondary source? (Primary sources are allowed but should be used differently, see: Wikipedia:Primary Secondary and Tertiary Sources)
  • Are the people in the podcast regarded as experts on the subject of the article?
  • Would you consider the podcast self-published? If not, who is the publisher?
Additionally, Wikipedia's policy is here: Wikipedia:Reliable sources
And you can get expert opinions on specific sources here: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
And sometimes here: Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources
I hope that helps, Rjjiii (talk) 03:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Rjjiii what about ones in Apple podcast store? (talk) 04:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It still depends. Think of the Apple podcast store like a book store. If the podcast is being released by its creators, the kind of thing where you would consider a book self-published, then the next question would be are the hosts, guests, interviewees, etc. experts or primary sources related to the article. If they're neither, then the source would not be considered reliable. Rjjiii (talk) 04:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wanna point out that this IP was blocked for disruptive editing. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 04:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looking for tools to fix harv, sfn, and bibliography citations[edit]

I am currently going through an article that uses {{harvnb}} and was in rough shape. I've stripped out a bunch of material that had inline citations to Atlantis books. I need to check if I have any short footnotes that have harvnb templates pointed to a full citation that doesn't exist, and I also need to check which full citations are no longer referenced by harvnb or {{harv}}. I feel pretty sure that I've heard other editors do this in some kind of automated way, but I don't know where to look. I don't see any tools to check this out linked from the harv, harvnb, or {{sfn}} documentation. If anybody can point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it, Rjjiii (talk) 03:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why is social media very unreliable and non-credible media?[edit]

If social media, blogs, forums, wikis, and self-published websites are forbidden to cite on Wikipedia, would you give me a reason why is this unreliable? How much content are in social media altogether? Can you utilize it? (talk) 03:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

TL;DR: people can just say unverifiable things on social media. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 03:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Social media allows anyone to post anything they want. For example, I can say that the Earth is flat on Twitter. However, that does not mean that is true. Reliable sources need to be correct almost all of the times. Carpimaps talk to me! 11:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why are talk page not forum?[edit]

If you use it as a forum for general, it gets removed. Why is talk pages only for discussing improvements, not general forum? (talk) 04:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hi ip user! basically Wikipedia is an encyclopedia first and foremost, not the place for general discussion about a topic, there are other places to discuss about these topics. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why BFDI has no article?[edit]

Why did BFDI got deleted on Wikipedia and salted after multiple attempts? How did they do that? (talk) 04:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This page has some information about BFDI on Wikipedia. DanCherek (talk) 04:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To summarise the essay, BFDI is no longer permitted on Wikipedia because it has been established many times by the community that it isn't notable. This is because sources relating to it are often too short or are passing mentions. Fans repeatedly recreated the article and topics relating to it, wasting the time of editors, to the point that the topic was banned entirely. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 05:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This essay might be relevant as well: Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 11:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I want this IP address blocked from editting.[edit]

This is a shared IP address; and historically we've always been blocked from editting. I recently had a message that someone from this IP address has vandalised a page about gun control. My current IP address needs to be blocked from editting. (talk) 04:14, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can always create an account to avoid this problem. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 04:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Previous blocks appear to have been on the < /19 IP range>, and maybe somewhere else. I do not know if there is a central report somewhere, but perhaps contacting the admins who made the previous blocks (@Tamzin() or @Drmies) in their talk pages might have more success?
2804:F14:80E1:6601:E08B:1D0A:20A:6132 (talk) 04:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can I insert slang words into articles?[edit]

Since I want the article to have a variety of vocabulary words, are slang words acceptable on Wikipedia articles when editing? If not, why? (talk) 04:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Slang words are not usually permitted in the prose of the article on Wikipedia, as articles must have a formal, encyclopaedic tone. However, there are exceptions, such as quotes. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 04:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Best name for new article name taken[edit]

I created a sandbox article User:Eagledj/Sandbox/Jeff Taylor (musician), but I couldn't move it to the mainspace. Another person had claimed the title Jeff Taylor (musician). However, the latter is not an actual article, but a redirect to 16volt. There, a "Jeff Taylor" is mentioned in a list, not Wikified. I then published my article as Jeff Taylor (musical artist), accepting a less-descriptive title with hopes of later correcting it to (musician). Will you help me resolve this please? Many thanks, Eagledj (talk) 18:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Semey Medical University[edit]

I am drafting the article about Semey Medical University. I would be thankful if someone can help in this process. Ruth Dahle (talk) 14:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Ruth Dahle and welcome to the Teahouse. Firstly, the article needs references. See WP:GOLDENRULE. Above all, though: the content should be written to reflect what is actually said in reliable sources, rather than saying what you want to say and then hunting around for references to back you up.
You may find parts of Help:Your first article useful. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you for reminding me of the importance of adhering to the guidelines and maintaining the integrity of the information presented. I appreciate your feedback and will ensure to incorporate appropriate references in future revisions. Ruth Dahle (talk) 14:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lesser issues: there are no wikilinks to other Wikipedia articles, and we use "Sentence case" not "Title Case" for headings. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ruth Dahle: Welcome to the Teahouse. The draft written at this time is unsuitable to be on Wikipedia. Aside from the issues Esowteric has pointed out, it is blatantly promotional. The encyclopedia requires that articles be written from a neutral point of view; they should not praise or disparage the subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I want an article to be deleted[edit]

A person from Nigeria created an article called Akorede Alli on my behalf to use it for his own gain, I am not affiliated to the article as the creator of the page wants to control the page for his own benefit. I don't want the person to create a page for me because his plan is to control me. How can this page article be deleted?. Akorede Alli (talk) 15:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Akorede Alli, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please look at WP:AFDHOWTO for instructions on how to nominate an article for deletion. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Akorede Alli ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 15:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay Thank you. Akorede Alli (talk) 15:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The subject of an article does not generally get a say as to whether an article about them exists, no more than a subject could prevent the New York Times from writing about them. Articles can exist if the topic meets our notability criteria and it summarizes what independent reliable sources say about them. If you wish to argue that you are not notable, a deletion discussion may be started.
I'm not sure how someone can control you with an article, but if there is a behavioral issue here, please bring this up at WP:ANI. 331dot (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Thank you.
I understand that an article can exist and articles can be edited on here by anyone, However when the article is been edited the creator goes back to edit it to what he did and not letting other editors add to the article, that's control and his own version doesn't fully represent the subject. As it says on wiki Articles can be edited by other editors, but he blocks others from touching the article. Akorede Alli (talk) 15:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Akorede Alli If you are the subject of the article Akorede Alli, then by policy you should not be editing it, since contrary to what you might think you do not own it. I note that between 3 and 5 May you did in fact make large additions which served to add a number of press releases in the form of external links. It is not surprising that these were removed. Subjects of articles should only suggest changes via {{edit request}}s on the Talk Page, in general. For information, the creator of the article in 2022 was Ibjaja055 but he has not edited it at all in 2023. All that being said, it is likely the article will indeed be deleted after the deletion discussion ends. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]