User talk:Colum Murphy

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October 2023

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Thank you. 331dot (talk) 10:05, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed, unblocked, courtesy ping to 331dot - Cabayi (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; Colum, you will need to declare as a paid editor, see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 10:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How do I do that? By the way I am not a paid editor.

In the meantime, when will the page Geneva School of Diplomacy be reinstated? Colum Murphy (talk) 11:42, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your username was "GSD Communications Team", which suggests you are employed by the GSD. That's paid editing.

As I said on the administrators' noticeboard, there was an article Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations that was deleted in 2021 as a copyright infringement- but you seem to be referring to something more recently deleted, which if so, is under a different title. If you are referring to the 2021 article, copyright infringements are not restored. 331dot (talk) 11:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You declare paid editing by following the instructions at WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, happy to declare. No problem. I am talking about the 2021 deletion. Not sure why there was no notification and why a rectification procedure was not possible. Would be great to have the article restored and then we can work on it to improve.

At least the draft of it would help, since a lot of our Alumni were tagged on the article.

There could not be copyright infringements, since the source of the information was from website and other published articles.

Can we get access to this article? Colum Murphy (talk) 12:14, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, please disclose as soon as possible. You should also read conflict of interest.

With speedy deletions, only the original creator of the article is notified; anyone else needs to monitor the article themselves. Speedy Deletions may be conducted without delay or discussion as long as an adminstrator feels the criteria given for deletion applies. It is possible to request the reversal of speedy deletions at this page- but as I said, copyright violations will not be restored. The websites listed in the deletion log are all associated with the school- the content of other websites cannot simply be copied from there to here. Content on Wikipedia must be released under Wikipedia's license which allows for reuse for any purpose with attribution. Without a specific affirmative statement regarding copyright on the website involved(I didn't see one, but I didn't thorougly look), it must be assumed that all rights are reserved to the copyright holder.

Even if not a copyright infringement, the article was likely on a path to being deleted anyway. A Wikipedia article is not a place to merely tell about (in this case) an organization and its offerings, nor to merely list alumni. An article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Put another way, sources must be summarized that describe what those sources consider to be important/significant/influential about the organization as they see it. Having notable alumni is insufficient, as notability is not inherited by association.

You may use the article wizard or Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft- but in my experience users with a COI trying to force the issue of creating an article are not usually successful(though it can happen) because they are too close to their organization to write about it as Wikipedia requires. You would need to set aside everything you know about your school and all materials it puts out, and only write summarizing what independent reliable sources say. Most in your position have great difficulty doing that. The best indicator of notability is when an independent editor takes note of coverage of a topic in independent sources and chooses on their own to write about it. 331dot (talk) 12:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Colum Murphy when you say “We” who is “we”? Doug Weller talk 19:11, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Geneva School that they speak of. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@331dotso maybe a shared account. Doug Weller talk 20:34, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Colum Murphy, you should answer this question, which has been asked a fortnight ago.

Also, please disclose your paid-editing status correctly. There are now attempted disclosures on the draft page and the draft talk page, both incorrectly entered and consequently throwing error messages. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations (October 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DoubleGrazing was:

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

This is just pure WP:ADMASQ.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I just want to add that this draft is very promotional and wholly inappropriate for an encyclopaedia article, and would need to be significantly rewritten to stand any chance of acceptance. I came close to requesting that it is speedily deleted, but held back for now; I cannot promise that other reviewers will do the same. My advice to you is to start working on it sooner rather than later, and not to resubmit it until you have substantially improved it. Note that your role is not to praise or 'sell' the institution, but to describe it in neutral and objective manner, without peacock terms, hyperbole or marketing blurb. We have also no interest in your mission/vision/values, or long lists of faculty members or honoris causa awardees or other such name-dropping. All external links must also be removed. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:25, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Colum Murphy! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Thank you for the feedback. We will certainly work on it. We are not trying to write a promotional article, but rather an institutional page with all relevant details. We have used other institutions as samples both our language and content. So we are a bit confused now as to how others are on Wikipedia with similar language and content. Here is an example - Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies

Webster University Geneva etc.

The names of people are added to provide authenticity and also who is from our institution as there are many who claim to have graduated from our institution, however, they have not.

Would appreciate your input. We have already started working on it.

We have used the code provided to declare ourselves as paid according to the instructions.

Thank you. 213.200.230.252 (talk) 13:26, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You need to remember to log in when posting, so your posts are properly attributed to you. If you have declared as a paid editor, I don't see where you did this.

You say "we" and "ourselves", only a single person should have exclusive access to this account, and may not give access to others. Others at your school will need their own accounts. 331dot (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Beware in using other articles as a model for yours, see other stuff exists. These other articles could also be inappropriate and simply not addressed yet, and you would be unaware of this.

Not long ago, the notability guidelines were tightened up with regards to educational institutions- mere existence no longer merits an article, educational institutions must satisfy the same notability guidelines as any other organization. This means that there are likely many articles about other educational institutions that need to be addressed. If you want to use other articles as a model or example, use those classified as good articles, which have been vetted by the community. 331dot (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if you were "trying to write a promotional article" or not, but that's what you've done. Words like "premium", "renowned" and "illustrious" are certainly very peacocky – and that's just in the lead section! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations. Thanks! DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Logo

You have uploaded the logo of the school to Commons and in doing so claimed it as your own personal work. This would mean that you personally created it and want to make it available for anyone to use for any purpose with attribution. This would mean, hypothetically, that someone could take your logo, print it on clothing, and sell it and your school would not be entitled to any money from the sale of its own logo. I wouldn't want to do that if I were in charge of the school, but if your school does, that's fine, please let us know.

Logos are typically uploaded under "fair use" rules, which don't permit reuse with attribution for any purpose. This does carry some restrictions, such as not being able to be on Commons(they need to be uploaded to this Wikipedia directly) and not being able to be in drafts. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations (November 7)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Kilaseell was:

This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:

in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject)
reliable
secondary
independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Most sources are from the school website. – Kilaseell - Message me! - 16:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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– Kilaseell - Message me! - 16:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations. Thanks! DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:18, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Geneva School of Diplomacy and International Relations

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November 2023

You still have not adequately responded or taken action to the inquiry regarding your appearance as an undisclosed paid editor. If you make any additional edits without complying, you may be blocked from editing. DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

January 2024

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