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Hi - I am working on creating an article about the company. Edenaviv5 (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The image was removed because the editor thought it was not a valid fair use, but it does fall under fair use and is back in the article. Edenaviv5 (talk) 19:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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thanks for citations for Rabbit

Thanks for adding the citations in for Rabbit. Always good to have things documented. I'm very new to WP & was wondering about the use of 2 different terms to describe the same thing: coprophagy & caecotrophy. If the different citations use the different terms, does WP suggest to use the 2 terms, or is it ok/better to use 1 term in the article. In fact, the first couple of paragraphs have common info & was wondering if you think it would be best to combine them. As I said, I'm new here & don't know what is usually done in WP so these are just thoughts. I just think it's great when people (like you) add in new citations & wanted to get more info about the workings of WP. Sunandshade (talk) 20:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good question! I'll be honest, I'm not sure: I know the source I added uses both terms and says the latter is the newer term. When it comes to writing articles, my understanding would be that using the most common term is best, but it's also a good idea to note other well-known names for something if it differs and both are equal in their usage.

You might find some suggestions in the Manual of Style but I didn't easily find a good answer for you, sorry!

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If you were looking to improve the article, I would suggest finding all uses of the terms and noting that they're interchangeable when the first use pops up.

Ex: "Rabbits engage in caecotrophy, also known as coprophagy, which means..." and then trying to make it so all the subsequent uses refer to one term (in this case, caecotrophy, given how the sentence is worded).

This way, future edits that may use the alternative would still hopefully be clear. But this advice is mainly coming from my academic experience rather than Wikipedia's guidelines, and those two do often clash. Edenaviv5 (talk) 21:16, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your well thought out reply. Doing more research, it looks like the 2 terms are actually different. I ended up explaining the diff in the Coprophagia article. Then used the cecotrophy term in the Rabbit article. Used that spelling since that is what is used in the cecotrope article. Hope that's all ok with you. Don't know how to find the term in all the articles related to rabbits. Sunandshade (talk) 02:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update and the info - I didn't realize they differed and upon further research, you're totally right.

As for searching for a specific term across Wikipedia, you can Google "site:en-two.iwiki.icu" (without quotes) then follow with your terms (i.e., rabbit + coprophagy) in quotation marks.

You also can do CTRL + F on the rabbit page to find all mentions of coprophagy and just fix that one page. All of this is optional, of course, but I assume you're like me and want to rack up some edits to eventually get to the 500+ range and have more edit access.

Hope that helps, & happy new year! Edenaviv5 (talk) 20:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your info is quite helpful. Didn't know about the "site" search, tho I had to modify it. It said:

No results found for site:en-two.iwiki.icu "rabbit + coprophagy".

Results for

site:en-two.iwiki.icu rabbit + coprophagy

(without quotes):

So it didn't like the quotes. I think when it's in quotes, it needs everything exactly as laid out including the "+" but works without the quotes; also works without the "+".

That brings up another question. I'm interested in rabbits & wanted to read all the rabbit articles. I know I can look up each breed name, but there are also articles named Angora rabbit, etc. so it's hard to find them all. Now I know from your info that I can use the "site" string & "rabbit" but that included every article that just mentions Rabbit in passing. Do you know how I can get just the rabbit related articles?

Also didn't know about getting more edit access with 500 edits. What extra access do you get? My goal was to do an edit every day for a month, which I did. Now I'm just reading articles & fixing minor things if I see them. Sunandshade (talk) 02:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah, I meant quotes around each term (and not the plus) individually, sorry! But glad you got it anyway! For finding articles only about rabbits, I would go through the contents and categories pages, like this one. Here's the animal category. You could also use the Citation Hunt tool to search for needed citations by topic (type in "rabbit" and wait for the menu to pop up).

Also through the Community Portal (link is on the lefthand sidebar of Wikipedia, and accessed easily via the home page) you can find a list of things to do under "Help out," and those are sorted by maintenance categories as well as topics.

As for the extra edit access, it's the extended confirmed user status. You'll notice some articles are locked to prevent vandalism (mainly ones pertaining to major, controversial events, but others, too). For me, I wanted to get this status because many articles I have knowledge about are locked until one gets this status. Edenaviv5 (talk) 02:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My way without the quotes sometimes listed articles that had only 1 of the topics but with your current explanation, it now works perfectly. Thanks. I'll look at your suggestions for finding articles, tho it will take a lifetime to work on all of them. Looks like you made the extended confirmed status. Congrats. I don't think I'll ever need that for my rabbit editing, but you never know. Sunandshade (talk) 09:12, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Kris Wu

Hey, just wanted to thank you for your recent edits on the Kris Wu case. The article has become a pool of WP:COI editors chiming in to try and "minimize" the page as it is. I'm not even commonly here but now I have to re-check every day just to see what "neutralization" or bad quality ref they're going to add next. Again, thank you, and have a nice day. Ignaseeo | Talk page ^Sup? 12:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey - no problem! The source on her claims I verified seemed pretty clear, and her claims are her claims. Even after a totally neutral third-party assesses all the facts and can judge each of the claims for their accuracy/what happened, what I see there is just a statement of what she's said about his [alleged] actions.

(And, while this didn't play a role in my edits, like, what person makes that shit up? The backlash faced for speaking out like she did is so massive, and too often the accused get away with little-to-no long-term damage to their reputation. Plenty of US and European men as examples for that. Her accusations are not very wild, compared with other rape accusations, and she spoke very directly/matter-of-factly.) Edenaviv5 (talk) 19:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Radicalesbians redirected to Lavender Menace

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Thank you for creating Radicalesbians, per an article request. Unfortunately, the article Lavender Menace already exists, and covers the same topic, so I turned the article into a redirect. If there's anything in the article that is unique and not present in Lavender Menace it can be moved over, but I didn't see anything at first glance. However, you seem to have a lot of good references, and they would make a good addition. If you answer other article requests, which is a really great thing to do, don't forget to do an exhaustive search for the article, under other spellings, other punctuation, other capitalization, and other names, before starting to create a new one. Thanks again, Mathglot (talk) 08:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mathglot - yes, the name of the group is not Lavender Menace. That page covers the initial action but not the actual group that came up afterwards and spread to other cities. It also is not entirely accurate. I published so I could continue building it. Edenaviv5 (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, this is just my actual area of research and I am wondering if it could just be put back and the redirect done in reverse, because "Lavender Menace" does not make sense as the title, and the topic is a bit different. Also, as I said, that page would need an extensive overhaul to cover "Radicalesbians"

(I also did do extensive searching and no suitable page existed) Edenaviv5 (talk) 17:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is becoming fragmented because of the separate discussion on the same topic at User talk:Mathglot#Radicalesbians. I suggest you start over and unite them at a common venue; I listed some there. Mathglot (talk) 22:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second Wave

Just noticed your user page with your background. There's so much to do in Second Wave, I don't know where to begin. I guess I'd start with Shulamith Firestone, who I am in awe of, and we should have way more on her. Somewhere I have some raw notes about her but never had time to get back to it. In particular, Notes from the First Year, and Notes from the Second Year are available in facsimile or digitized, and they have so much core information from the early days. Do you know any French? The whole area of French feminism is underrepresented, and besides going their own way to a certain extent, there has been a lot of cross-pollination back and forth between French and American feminists of the Second Wave and beyond; the articles on Hélène Cixous, Monique Wittig, and Luce Iragaray should all be expanded. I'm always happy to find links between the two traditions, and am particularly proud of this edit to Simone de Beauvoir; I was surprised and pleased to learn of the pilgrimage of many of the founders of American Second Wave to Beavoir, and to hear of the impact it had on them. You can read the same bit more easily by going to the § Legacy section of the article. (Beauvoir of course later came to the States to return the visit.) I also enjoy topics around language and gender; see, e.g., Binnen-I, or Luise Pusch. Anyway, glad to have you aboard, and look forward to anything you decide to contribute to. P.S. Now that I think about it, the topic of the interplay between French and American feminism has plenty of sources; I even have a couple of books on it (Berger, Le grand théâtre du genre, and Bereni et al., Intro aux études sur le genre, and of course, The Straight Mind, not specifically about the topic, but enriched by it given that Wittig wrote it first in English while in Arizona I believe). It's undoubtedly a notable topic and we should have an article about it. Hint, hint... Mathglot (talk) 07:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and I hope things are all good after the exchange we had the other day. As you can see from my page, I fixed up the RL article and revised the Lavender Menace page a bit. I also see where the confusion came from, as the Poirot source on the LM page a few days ago had the wrong term (others works of Poirot's don't called the group the "Lavender Menace"). I noted such confusion on the RL page under the NYC group section. Edenaviv5 (talk) 17:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All good. Nbd, but to the extent possible and reasonable, please try to avoid idiomatic expressions such as gaining steam for the sake of the large number of ESL speakers who read en-wiki. Try standard expressions instead, such as accelerating, building momentum, gaining force, growing stronger, etc. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 04:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, though just to note, some of those are also idioms, and some of them (like "accelerate" and "building strength") don't convey the same meaning. Edenaviv5 (talk) 06:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We might be using 'idiomatic' in different ways. What I meant was, that any of the last four expressions can be understood by an ESL speaker by looking up the words individually in the dictionary, but that doesn't work with gaining steam. Mathglot (talk) 08:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I hear you, though fwiw, I teach multilingual writing, and the reason I don't avoid "gaining steam" normally is that it is in the dictionary itself as a phrase. It's one common enough in reputable sources (e.g., The New York Times) that it needs to be taught as a phrase. I get we're not teaching here, but I am just explaining my logic.

It also functions very similarly to "building momentum," as well as "gaining force" -- "momentum," "force," and "steam" have two meanings, one of which is "power." They're interchangeable idioms in many cases. I still get what you're saying, but idioms are not universally bad in contexts with English-language learners is my point. Edenaviv5 (talk) 15:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have changed the example of Aristotle's sister back to the way it was; "...had a female sibling" does not preserve the distinction we want to illustrate: that co-extensive substitution is also intensionally identical, so the statement is just as valid as it was before. We want a change with co-extensive terms that renders the new version invalid.

As I said on the talk page for the article: in ancient Greece, it's unlikely Aristotle would have conceived of "sister" in such a way (as, e.g., "a now-sister may have been 'AMAB'")--so surely we can just take it as an example within the context of "what Aristotle thinks"...?

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Actually, hang on. "...had a sibling who identified as female" might work: we don't know if Aristotle's sister did, in fact, identify as female, but that's co-extensive with "sister".

...although the objection might then become "well if the sibling didn't identify as female, 'had a sister' is equally incorrect" (i.e., "...and so the principle is still not illustrated, because the terms still don't evaluate differently").

This sort of thing is why I'm not a big fan of this sort of "newspeak" -- a clear example everyone will understand is now, seemingly, problematic or unworkable because it uses the term "sister" / refers to the concepts of sex & gender at all! Jeebus! But if it is truly the case that the example--though obviously not actually intended to make any such statement--will really, deeply hurt someone's feelings due to being interpreted as making a statement about the Validity of Their Life Choices™, or the like, I suppose I can see the reasoning.

Sort of.

Well, anyway, perhaps with your greater understanding of what the terms are supposed to actually signify today, you will be able to come up with something that pleases all. "Aristotle had a sister" --> "Aristotle had a sibling he would have called an adelphē" might work--if one is keeping in mind that "sisters today aren't necessarily people who would have been called sisters in ancient Greece"... but that's just going to cause confusion for all (excepting, perhaps, the most, uh... enlightened... of us), I should think...

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