User talk:Nyttend/Archive 12

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Health Care near Glenwood, Iowa?

Wouldn't a summary of the local physician's clincics and offices actually located in the town be more appropriate? This sounds like Bellevue boosterism. Also, why the repitition that Glenwood 'has its own courthouse' when it's already clearly defined as the county seat? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.177.82 (talk) 04:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.27.6.143 (talk) 03:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Salt Lake City neighborhoods

There is Category:Neighborhoods in Salt Lake City, Utah. I don't know how "officially defined" any of those are, but many of them are terms in common use to describe sections of the city. HTH, Ntsimp (talk) 14:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Grand Rapids Township

Sorry, wrong link, my bad, thanks for fixing it. McMarcoP (talk) 09:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Milwaukee clipper

i'd like to skip addressing that issue for a few days, in favor of other good endeavors. :) doncram (talk) 17:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

This web page has some history of the ship that explains it's travels. It was first listed on the NRHP in 1983. The web page is a little unclear about its whereabouts at that time, but it looks like it may have been in Chicago. It was designated an NHL in 1989 (as the "SS Clipper") and moved to Hammond, IN (Lake County) in 1990, which is where the NRIS has it listed. The article says that it was renamed again as the Milwaukee Clipper when it moved to Hammond. It returned to Muskegon, MI in 1997, where it operated as a passenger and automobile ferry off and on from 1941 to 1970.

When I encountered an almost identical situation with the M.V. Santa Rosa and the City of Oakland (USS Hoga), I moved them under a separate heading on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Alameda County, California page and added them to the lists for their current locations (San Francisco and Pulaski County, AR) ... although I now see that the Hoga has been relegated to the talk page of the Pulaski County article. See this talk page archive for some discussion of this issue. --sanfranman59 (talk) 18:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Sanfranman59, thanks for giving this substantive discussion for Nyttend here, and also for researching about the Hoga and noting the results of your phone call, at the Pulaski Talk page! Sounds like it is correct for it not to be listed in Pulaski's article yet, because it has never visited there, and I agree also with your judgement not to bother mentioning in Contra Costa County, too, where it may just be in storage. We don't have to give every waypoint that a museum ship ever travelled through, but rather add to state/county lists only "permanent" locations where a ship has been open as a museum to visitors. doncram (talk)

10 rfds

You noted, previously, "it's gone so fast that I can't keep up, so no vote from me". Actually there has been very little movement since then, except some discussion which i think should make what to do now, much clearer. I'd appreciate if you would be willing to revisit it and comment at wp:rfd, whenever. Thanks! doncram (talk) 18:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Elsworth

I think the Elsworth was located at Tilghman, in Talbot County, when she was listed on the NR in '85. That's pretty much the default location for skipjacks, as there are several at Dogwood Harbor in Tilghman. The Echo Hill Outdoor School bought her in '88 and moved her to Chestertown in Kent County, where she's been ever since, and where I saw and photographed her yesterday. The Maryland Historical Trust has her listed in Kent County, and while I tend not to take the location of working boats on the NR too seriously, they being mobile, 21 years in Kent County makes it seem permanent. I decided to go to bed rather than move the listing; I'll get to it later today. Acroterion _(talk) 14:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Prayers of jesus

You recently deleted Prayers of jesus there is an exact copy of the article here also Jesus prayers Cheers Teapotgeorge^Talk 12:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC) 12:26, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Vermont towns

Hi!

Elections are done annually at town meeting and are by Australian ballot over the course of the day. All positions are filled including little used ones, such as "fence viewers;" and positions that are normally appointed elsewhere in the world such as "fire chief" and "town constable," and "lister" (real estate appraiser for tax purposes). I think even zoning boards! The election is rigorously democratic. Cities are different. Incorporated villages struggle to fill offices and some of those are filled "by acclamation" as it were, not by paper ballot. Hope this helps.

I've been on irregularly due to no broadband. Am on dial-up now. May account for delays in answering. Student7 (talk) 21:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I missed your point. Was so enraptured with being online at all! I guess you figured out that members are elected "at large" and not by districts. There is no provision for sub-districts at the town level. Union school districts are a bit different and sometimes towns get split, but not at the town government level. But you probably figured this out already. Student7 (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hartford Village

You do realize that the village is essentially the historic district, don't you? Why are similar cases in Category:Historic districts in Rhode Island allowed to stand but not in this case and others that I am trying to fix? If someone you liked did the editing, would you allow it? --Polaron | Talk 03:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

		The NRHP Table-izer Barnstar
		I award you this Barnstar for your contributions in table-izing multiple states' NRHP list-tables. As one editor put it, just before midnight U.S. Eastern time on July 4, Hey, between us we got it all done. Hooray!! In fact we met multiple goals in table-izing list-articles covering all 83,973 NRHPs nation-wide during February 2008 to July 4, 2009. Thanks for your help in so many state lists. Hope you had a great Fourth! -- Doncram, 5 July 2008 Thanks for all your hard work ... it makes the rest of our lives so much easier ... cheers!--Pubdog (talk) 12:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC) I table-ized much of Maryland.--Pubdog (talk) 21:47, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Rufus Barrett Stone House

In National Register of Historic Places listings in McKean County, Pennsylvania you reverted my edits to move the Rufus Barrett Stone House to entry 10. Please refer to the article. The builder was Rufus Barrett Stone and it is a brick structure. I will move the entry to its proper listing (again).--Pubdog (talk) 12:00, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

This is an example of the issue I raised last month in re: the following comment made on my talk page:--Pubdog (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

===Your comment on Ctjf83's talk page===

You said that you've been told that the NRHP name is sacrosanct and that it must never be changed. Can you show me an example? The only time that I had this topic addressed directly was here. Nyttend (talk) 23:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

BTW ... what do I have to do to get a spinning star? I like the one awarded to User:Doncram. Just curious--Pubdog (talk) 14:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as the spinning star — see your userpage. You definitely deserve it! Don't think that I'll give you anything that you ask me for :-) but I would have likely given this to you if I'd thought of it. I simply don't think of barnstars, and I believe that this is only the second one I've ever given in three years on Wikipedia. Nyttend (talk) 01:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciated! Now I can retire satisfied ;->--Pubdog (talk) 09:01, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Uhhh...do you mean that you're leaving Wikipedia? Or do you simply mean that when you leave, you'll be more satisfied? I hope you mean the latter :-) Nyttend (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I mean the latter ... thanks--Pubdog (talk) 13:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The Galena Territory

A question: what is The Galena Territory? This defies a description. Just curious. Hope your vacation went well-Thanks-RFD (talk) 12:44, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User page indexing

Please note Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User page indexing has been repurposed from the standard RFC format it was using into a strraw poll format. Please re-visit the RFC to ensure that your previous endorsement(s) are represented in the various proposals and endorse accordingly.

Notice delivery by xenobot 14:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Wirtland

Hi! Could you perform the move of Wirtland (disambiguation) to Wirtland? People are complaining about the speedy tag, and ironically I can't even remove it anymore since the page is protected :D Thanks, Jafeluv (talk) 17:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC) (PS. Ignore this if the page was already moved, you never know when the next admin comes along.)

Ah, ok. Nice to see that I wasn't the only one who was confused. Thanks for moving the page. Jafeluv (talk) 21:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Delistings

I saw your question about this on doncram's talk page. You're right about the delisted properties...Elkman does shoe the DElisting date in those cases. I've been including both dates if I had them, and labelling them parenthetically (listing) and (delisting). Lvklock (talk) 02:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Greersburg Academy

Hey! I see that you removed the students who attended the academy. They are referenced in the book by Wayne A. Cole. The book is now out of print, but there is a copy at the McCartney Library. Whenever I get the chance I'll write the references from the book. My question is, is there any way of putting the students back without having to type it all in again? Mvincec (talk) 15:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikicity links

Sorry, but I found you argument terribly weak. I did not remove the wikicity links because of a COI. I removed them because they blatantly fail WP:EL. Please consider reading my edit summary: "does not provide encyclopedic content beyond what is currently in this article." Can show me how this statement is incorrect and how Wikipedia "benefits" from having the link? Also, per the reasoning of you argument, please see WP:BIG and WP:NOHARM. An arbitrary size has no consequence on whether a link does or does not pass WP:EL guidelines. All the city articles where originally scraped from Wikipedia anyway. 152.3.249.26 (talk) 07:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Monterey County

Highspeed seems to have been a sock of biaswarrior and was busy vandalizing my talk page over the weekend. Anyway, the problem seems to be a misunderstanding by some users that still persist in believing that a settlement loses its notability when it becomes a ghost town (unless it can "earn" it back by tourism). Notability (per WP:N) is not temporary. Once notable, always so. These Native American settlements that were objected to, appear in sources other than GNIS and could be fleshed out when a bona fide user decides to do so. Creation of stubs is the first step to begin the articles with a somewhat uniform structure. One good source for Native American settlements is the Smithsonian's Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico, which is available in full text at google books. But, alas, some people would just rather delete and call more information a "mess", I thought we were meant to be adding information or is that phase of the encyclopedia closed? ;-) Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Snakeless "paradise"?

Never encountered one. Have heard this sort of claim before about "few poisonous snakes" in Vermont. Was pleased to be able to document it from a sort-of reliable source. (Too cold for snakes most likely! :) Student7 (talk) 21:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Revere, North Carolina

Thanks for cleaning up this article. I have never done a location article like that and missed some things. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 00:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Alphabetizing Peggy Stewart House

Please note that Peggy Stewart was the name of a boat and not the name of a person. Therefore, I think it was alphabetized correctly originally on National Register of Historic Places listings in Anne Arundel County, Maryland. I leave it up to you whether you think it should be changed back.--Pubdog (talk) 09:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd leave it where it is. Thanks.--Pubdog (talk) 16:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

CDPs and villages, particularly in Vermont

EC of sorts... You were posting on my talk page while I was reverting you at Wilder, Vermont.

It seems to me that it is important for articles about settlements to use terminology that not only avoids inaccuracies, but also uses standard English words and is consistent with standard real-world usage in the locale being discussed. In that connection, I dislike the idea of making "CDP" the only allowable noun for describing a settlement, except in those cases where the "place" defined has no existence except as a CDP (such as hyphenated CDPs like Wakefield-Peacedale, Rhode Island). CDP is a bureaucrat's term that describes a statistical construct, whereas "village" is an English word with long history and meaning in reality. It may be true that all CDPs in Vermont are villages, but real people don't live, work, and die in CDPs -- and AFAIK the Census Bureau is the only agency at any level of government that recognizes CDP as a meaningful term. Accordingly, the fact that all CDPs in Vermont are villages doesn't make it desirable for Wikipedia to banish the word "village" from an article about a place that was considered a "village" for a couple of centuries and is still universally considered to be a "village" by the people who live there or care about the place. As I see it, in an article like Wilder, Vermont, the two terms (CDP and village) aren't redundant, but complementary.

Not all historic New England villages are still called "village", though. Some are called "town centers" (most New England towns have a specific area that is still identifiable as the town center, dating from the days when it was the site of the town's church and commons). In the more densely settled parts of New England places that used to be considered villages often are now called "sections" or perhaps are just considered to be "neighborhoods." I think it's helpful to have locally knowledgeable contributors supply the "right" terminology (like "section" for Southport (Fairfield), but "neighborhood" for Wooster Square). (BTW: Thanks for supporting my removal of the 1800 architecture category from the Southport HD article.)

You comment on the idea of unincorporated places in Tennessee being called "towns." As it happens, "town" isn't often used for unincorporated communities in Tennessee; the usual term here is "community." The exceptions are unincorporated places such as Blountville, Tennessee (a place that was once incorporated), that have the look and feel and function of "real towns"; these are actually relatively rare in Tennessee, as most unincorporated "communities" are places that outside observers have difficulty recognizing as distinct places. Furthermore, since "town" has no specific legal definition in Tennessee (it's just one of the two words that are used in naming incorporated municipalities), I think that "unincorporated town" is a reasonable term to use in describing places like Blountville and Petros, Tennessee.

As long as I have your ear, a related situation that I find troubling is the practice of classifying New England CDPs as "unincorporated areas" (e.g., in Category:Census-designated places in Vermont) and associating them solely with the county in which they are located. As an example, the area covered by Middlebury (CDP), Vermont is an established village that is the commercial and governmental center of the town of Middlebury, Vermont (a shire town, no less), but you can't tell that from the Middlebury CDP article. This is a far cry from the typical situation of an unincorporated area in Tennessee, where there is truly no level of government below the county (unless you count the gun-totin' locals of the popular lore that is unfortunately not entirely fiction). --Orlady (talk) 15:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

One ramification of my above comments is that I definitely support using [[Village (Vermont)|incorporated village]] and [[Village (Vermont)|unincorporated village]] in articles about Vermont villages. --Orlady (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I was very pleased to run across Village (Vermont), as it clarified a lot of things for me. I like linking to it. ;-) Orlady (talk) 19:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

HDs

Your idea for using a bot to add the HD category works for me, PARTICULARLY if the bot can be instructed to do this only for pages that are not already in a "Historic districts in statename" or similar category. --Orlady (talk) 19:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't feel particularly strongly one way or the other about this, but anything that helps in properly categorizing articles can only be good for an encyclopedia. The operative word here is properly. There's a bot named BotMultichill over at Commons that (imho) over-categorizes images (for some reason, it put an image of Jesse Helms in 9 different North Carolina county categories ... not to mention 17 other categories). I'd hate to see something like that happen to our NRHP-related articles. --sanfranman59 (talk) 23:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm fine with filing a bot request. I feel that adding some code to the infobox to sort districts into state categories via the "locmapin" parameter would be easier, though. I note that some historic districts lack coordinates and wouldn't work with this method. But, depending on how much has already been done manually, a bot would still probably be better. --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me, though I'll readily admit that neither categories nor Bots are my forte. Lvklock (talk) 00:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I like the idea. Einbierbitte (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ohio template

Hi. {{nowrap}} does nothing when used in templates unless you are forcing long strings of plaintext to not wrap. Please see here. → ROUX ₪ 16:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. A couple things. 1) you don't own the template, so chill out. 2) not using a template that does not work is hardly 'nonstandard'. 3) I am sick of your patronizing edit summaries; a sysop should know better--on all the above counts, actually. 4) There was, in fact, an excellent reason for making the other changes: readability. Pipes break up text very harshly, and bullets are easier to read through. However, it seems you feel proprietary about the template--despite not actually understanding {{nowrap}}--so I'll leave you to it. → ROUX ₪ 21:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you find a single county template nationwide that doesn't use pipes or that marks its multicounty communities with something other than a ‡? I'm not claiming ownership by myself; many people have worked together on producing and standardising these county templates, and it simply happens that I was the one who first observed the change. Nyttend (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't particularly care. That it took multiple reverts to even get a sysop to listen is distressing. → ROUX ₪ 00:31, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

So what if other stuff exists? Last time I checked, there's nothing in policy against the use of | or ‡, so there's no good reason to change 3,000+ templates. Nyttend (talk) 03:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Somewhat missing the point there. The point was that it took multiple reverts before you'd listen regarding {{nowrap}}. I don't much care about the other changes, though they did have a reason. → ROUX ₪ 03:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Central Iowa public recreation trail websites deleted from Wikipedia pages

Your deletion of external links to public recreation trails, public parks, and government websites in various small towns and counties in central Iowa reflects very poor judgement.

Your policy of limiting external links is too excessively restrictive. 66.43.253.135 (talk) 21:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Cades Cove

The National Register historic district is all of Cades Cove. The boundary (everything below 2000 ft elevation) is admittedly somewhat arbitrary, but that elevation contour encompasses all of Cades Cove. Check a topo map if you don't believe me. --Orlady (talk) 21:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

If you aren't familiar with the area, or aren't looking at a map, it might make sense to think that the HD listing covered everything above 2000 ft. However, Cades Cove is an enclosed valley surrounded on all sides by mountains. The valley floor (where all the properties described on the nom form are located) is relatively flat, and is mostly at elevations around 1800 ft. The 2000 ft contour neatly encircles the cove, so in context it is clear that the intent is to include everything below that elevation.
For what it's worth, this is not an obscure topic known only to the cognoscenti. Cades Cove is a major attraction in the national park. It gets 2 million visitors a year, many of whom go there to see the buildings and farm fields that are recognized in the historic district. --Orlady (talk) 22:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I've already linked to the nom form in the Cades Cove article. --Orlady (talk) 22:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Trademarks in page titles

Why would trademark symbols be retained for titles any more than for products? I don't see any reason to keep them, and MOS:TM doesn't make an exception for web page titles.—Chowbok ☠ 21:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Removing a trademark symbol doesn't reduce the accuracy of the citation, any more than citing a title in Arial that was originally printed in a serif typeface. Trademark symbols aren't letters, they're typographical flourishes.—Chowbok ☠ 21:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for wikimentoring

Dear Sir, I am posting this as a request for Wikimentoring. I usually log in as Highspeed, but I have been indefinately blocked by Carlossuarez46. I know of no other way to communicate with the wiki community other than this. If I am wrong, please tell me the right way, but humbly beg that my IP not be blocked, so that I may communicate responsibly with the wiki community.

After reviewing many wikipages, I realized that you and I share values that are important to us (e.g.,www). Unfortunately for me I have not made any effort to improve my userpage during the 3½ years I have been a registered editor on Wikipedia, so there's no way for you to know that about me.

I'll start by expressing my sincere apology for offending anyone here on wikipedia, as that was not my intent. The acts that I am being held accountable for (placing speedy deletion templates on his user page), I honestly thought I was doing that according to the wikipolicy on speedy deletion, as it said to place a template on the creator's talk page. And that is what I ignorantly did. I am so sorry. I figured it would be considered and ruled on (which it was, by another admin), but I did not realize that my intent would be mis-understood or that discourse would be muzzled.

I am posting on your page in a request for guidance on how to best proceed, and because I am fearful of the power of the administrator who has blocked me. And I am fearful because most wiki policies seem to place the burden on me to prove a negative in order to defend myself of what the administrator has accused me of. I am willing to do this, and do it in a respectful manner, but am afraid that if I disagree with anyone, a permanent ban on my IP addresses might prevent me from appealing or apologizing.

I am also afraid because of the total block placed on my user name, I cannot post an appeal to my own user talk page, or send a wiki email to anyone. My IP address had also been blocked for 24-hour periods continously for about 3 days, and only expired earlier this morning.

The administrator has placed a template on my main page that alleges sockpuppetry by Biaswarrior. But I am at a loss to understand how a 3½-year old account with a trail of valid editing can be a sockpuppet of an account used for 22 minutes? I may be misreading this, as sometimes I may not comprehend too well.

Finally, I apologize for this long post. Can you advise how I should proceed in order to request an unblock of my user name? Thank you for your assistance. www. 75.37.45.172 (talk) 16:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Forgive my lack of understanding as to the exact interaction, Nytend, but what was the vandalism done to the other admin? Is it solely related to tagging articles for speedy deletion on the part of this Highspeed character? Is there some other way he meddled with the other user/admins page? And how do you prove a sock and was it proved that Highspeed and Biaswarrior were the same or working together? I am trying to learn here and finding this confusing at best. User:Norcalal (talk) 18:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to do anything with this request from Highspeed until I hear from Carlossuarez: I wasn't involved in this situation originally, so I don't want to do anything yet. I've asked Carlos to explain and to let me answer/deal with the IP address. Technically, this person is violating Wikipedia requirements by editing while blocked (someone who's blocked on one account isn't allowed to edit at all), but I think this situation is different. I'll do more once I understand the situation properly. Nyttend (talk) 20:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I just went to the link you provided and saw the vandalism both you and Carlos refer to. Indeed innocence is not the case in relation to Highspeed, but I don't get why this editor would wax juvenile as all edits are traceable. One thing is for sure: Passion (and related human emotion) leads to both good article development and conflict or challenge depending on the day. Norcalal (talk)

Oh my goodness!! I just got home from work and read all the edits made while I was gone. I just reviewed the edit example you posted on Norcalal's talk page, which is the first time any alleged vandalism has been specifically linked to. I am so sorry that I screwed up Carlossuarez46's talk page! All I intended to add to his page was the two paragraphs at the bottom - but even my two paragraphs at the bottom got mangled. No way would I intentionally vandalize anyone's talk page! All the alleged vandalism was the result of a Google Toolbar spellcheck bug that alters textbox contents. I recently upgraded to Firefox 3.5 and the new Google toolbar, which has a bug in the spellchecker: it swallows & adds random letters & words in the text editing boxes; documented here and here. You can see that this is a very new problem. I am so sorry I did not catch it before hitting 'Save page'. If you will note, I noticed that it screwed up my first post, linked above, and I tried to correct it here, but did not realize that the whole page was messed-up, I thought only my posting got mangled. Please check my edit history, and you will see that I have never done any vandalism in my 3+ years here. I am not asking you (Nyttend) to reverse another administrator, but only to mentor how I should proceed with an appeal when I am completely blocked, even from my own user talk page. Again, Thank you for your patience and understanding. 75.37.45.172 (talk) 00:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

If Highspeed really claims innocense as he seems to here, he hasn't learned from his misbehavior. I'm not going to unblock him, but I won't reverse you if you do and mentoring him may be the best way. If he is User:Biaswarrior, we'll all have egg on our faces, if he is not it seems odd that he would after 3 years of being here do vandalism, not know it was wrong, and still deny the undeniable. I'll leave the decision to you. Cheers, Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

here the two seemed to be working together, notice the (at least on-wiki) unsolicited post. Norcalal denied it, and per WP:AGF I will take him at his word that he has no common cause with Highspeed - which I think is basically what Norcalal says a couple of paragraphs above.... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

ABOVE: "Here" the two seem to be working together? Give me a break. This smells like witch hunt and is truly ridiculous, if it is. I am not going explain why I was interested in speedy deletion tags again and again. And that note on Highspeed's discussion page related to the GNIS is a valid point and nothing in that post is divorced from the truth of Carlos' behavior or the concern in the community (beyond my own related to the GNIC stub article proliferation) NOTHING I have done can be connected to culpability no matter how hard Carlos tries. Other editors or admins can decipher this mess all they want. But I am mindful of Goebles (who worked for Hitler)--tell a lie (or misperception?) enough and the people (other editors and administrators) in this case may come around to believing it. What if this Highspeed guy did make a mistake with an editing tool? Just look at the mess he made in Carlos page. It makes no sense. RELATED EXAMPLE: I had a problem with an article up in the northern forest a long while back (probably Yreka or therabouts in Northern California) and it looked to me like the editor was willfully vandalising over and over. But guess what? He was suffering with a messed up keyboard and trying to work around it as best as he could. It wasn't satisfactory to me, but I could find no other reasonable explanation other than he was crazy. There is so much drama going on around here its unbelievable. Norcalal (talk) 05:38, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

It was a drama-reduction attempt, as is usually wise with socks, look at the drama at various Biaswarrior socks's talk pages: User talk:POVbattler and User talk:Biasprotector and User talk:Ricky28618 - which seem to boil down to anti-admin ranting with everyone called upon to respond to it. Given the bald-faced denials of the anon who claims to be Highspeed (for that's all we can say at this point) that Highspeed didn't do anything improper, it's probably just as well that added drama was avoided. If Highspeed were really interested in being a good wikipedian, I think it would be fair to expect an acknowledgement of the past - but he's probably already got himself another account anyway and on to the next admin to berate. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
- I just saw anon's interleaved comment above. He claims a browser fault. I'm not technical and cannot prove him wrong. I'll leave it to you, but if it's biaswarrior, it would be a new tactic. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:09, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I've posted a notice at WP:ANI relating to all this. Nyttend (talk) 01:29, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Nyttend! I am kinda wondering why the above file was deleted. I took it from my screen and uploaded it in order to demonstrate a font irregularity. I thought I filled out the right info to release it but guess I didn't. Can you help? Basket of Puppies 21:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, I understand. Yeah, sorry about that! I need to spend more time learning the licensing and issues of free vs nonfree. Thanks for the super speedy reply! :D Basket of Puppies 03:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

You reconnecting me at the ANI level to Highspeed

I have performed NO vandalism of any kind anywhere. I have, however, dealt with considerable frustration in relation to Carlossuarez46, who has been very direct, if not heavy handed. For what? Where does this go. And now I get home after work to get back to this and now you reconnect me to this Highspeed. But again I have done nothing EXCEPT what I thought was comment to a real editor (who perhaps knew a lot) about the GNIS struggle. This has gone too far and you unwittingly have made it worse. I do not deserve any of the notoriety and this mess brews and simmers and flairs up again and again. If the IP known as Highspeed asks me another question (which I took to be in good faith) you can bet I will not respond. Secondly, will I be another Admin ANI for posting here OR the next time Highspeed or somebody that looks like him or "biaswhoever" posts? Will I now get reviewed and pestered anytime I address any part of the GNIS issue? I ask you, Where does it end? Norcalal (talk)

CDPs

In terms of the placement of CDPs in county navigation templates, please refer to this discussion from last year, in which you participated, and explain why Kentucky CDPs must be kept separate. Omnedon (talk) 12:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

George Jones Memorial Baptist Church

Yes, the local nom forms all are available electronically. I used to know the woman who prepared all of them, so the information that I "knew" as a result of conversations with her is supported and enlarged by the nom forms. --Orlady (talk) 13:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

You asked "All are electronic?" The answer is "no." I was talking only about a collection for Oak Ridge. --Orlady (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Kujō family

Kujō family was deleted recently because of CSD G3. I don't know what the content was, but the family is real; the Japanese Wikipedia has an entry for them with references and I have Mypedia, a Japanese encyclopedia published by Heibonsha and it has an entry for them as well. If the content in its history had reference to five regent houses, Fujiwara clan, Sesshō and Kampaku, Fujiwara no Tadamichi, or Fujiwara no Kanezane, would you please undelete the article because it's not a hoax and does not qualify CSD G3? --Kusunose 13:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I see it undeleted. Thank you. --Kusunose 00:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Fourth Street Historic District (Sioux City, Iowa)

Hi Nyttend: any idea on how to fix the auto map for Fourth Street Historic District (Sioux City, Iowa)? It shows it in Illinois.... I'll ask DonCram also. Thanks, Bill.

Thanks! Bill Whittaker (talk) 14:05, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Stow-Munroe Falls High School

Hey Nyttend- Was wondering if I could get some assistance on the Stow-Munroe Falls High School article. It overall needs a ton of work, but just recently, an anonymous editor has been adding tons of unsourced POV and peacock info and removing reference tags. If you could be of any assistance, I would appreciate it! Thanks! Also, I did get copies of the nomination forms for the NRHP listings in Kent, Ohio. I also noticed that one of them doesn't exist anymore. Does that mean it's removed? Who would I notify? --JonRidinger (talk) 03:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Kent NRHP

Thanks for your assistance on both. I did take a pic of the site and will upload it. It is the Hopkins Stone Building and the site now is an empty lot, so it was torn down or moved sometime after it was listed in 1981. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Here is the photo File:Hopkins Stone Building.jpg just FYI. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

The other building is a mausoleum. The reason I know they aren't the same is because I got the actual nomination forms from the NRHP and it has pictures of the building. It may have been moved, but where I do not know. I'm going to check with the Kent Historical Society tomorrow and see if they have any information. The Old Kent Jail was on the list before it was moved, then delisted, then put back at its new location. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I should consider myself lucky then. I received the forms for all 11 listings for Kent and all of them have some kind of photos. Granted, they're photocopies, but still photos nonetheless. Many also include maps and better boundary definitions (remember when we were trying to define the boundaries of the Kent Industrial District or the Ohio State Normal College at Kent?). --JonRidinger (talk) 18:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

It took about a month to get the ones I asked for, straight from the Dept. of the Interior. Also, thanks for readding the picture to the list with the note! --JonRidinger (talk) 18:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Dunn Pond Mound

Hi! I classified it start-class because I was not sure what other classification to give the article. And I knew someone would change the classification. Many apologies for any problems-Many thanks-RFD (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks for your comments-one quick note-I will be having minor surgery thia Friday morning to clear some scar tissue. But they will be putting myself under anesthesia for 20-25 minutes. That means I will not be able to have my 2 cups of coffee first thing in the morning-Thanks-RFD (talk) 13:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Robert Anton Wilson

Regarding his residence in Yellow Springs, I seem to remember having read this in a couple of places. Out of curiosity, would you consider the following link to be an unreliable source or would it do (not necessarily as a citation, but as an "OK, this isn't totally made up" source of info)? http://setiishadim.wordpress.com/2007/01/12/robert-anton-wilson/--Koppas (talk) 00:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

S. Ohio

Although the user lives in California, it appears (based on uploaded images) that JaGa might be able to help. Failing that, check out the list of WP:OHIO folk. youngamerican (wtf?) 11:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Harriman, Tennessee

Hi. What's your basis for saying that Harriman, Tennessee is in both Roane and Morgan Counties? (I've seen the basis before, but I don't recall what it was.) The Census map shows the city line following the county line, but never crossing into Morgan County. Since Harriman is the main city of Roane County (although Kingston is the county seat) and there's often been bad blood between the counties, it is not reasonable to blandly state that the city is in the two counties. If a small fraction of Harriman crosses the county line (as I suspect must be the case), the article should make it clear that the city is primarily in Roane County and the spillover should be documented as such. --Orlady (talk) 17:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Aha. That's a Census data file that says there was one person living in "Harriman" in "Morgan County" in the years 2001-2006, but zero persons in 2000. Too bad the Census doesn't give a name and phone number, to call this one person and get the story. This Tennessee state website also identifies Harriman as a city in Morgan County (it's also listed in Roane County). Too bad the city doesn't have a website... --Orlady (talk) 17:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I revised the article lead to say "Harriman is a city in the U.S. state of Tennessee, primarily in Roane County, with a small extension into Morgan County." It would be nice to actually know something about the nature and location of the annexation (or surveying error) that results in a little piece being in Morgan County, but that sentence conveys the reality accurately -- and better than a bland statement about the two counties. --Orlady (talk) 18:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Rockhill PA

The GNIS database confirms that Rockhill is the preferred name while Rockhill Furnace is a valid variant name [1]. Also, if you look at the U.S. Census Bureau Geographic Change Notes [2], it says: "Rockhill borough: Corrected from Rockhill Furnace (65512). Per Karen Winter, Borough Secretary; corroborated from Huntingdon County list of municipalities. Never legally named Rockhill Furnace." The Huntingdon County list of municipalities [3] also concurs. --Polaron | Talk 21:46, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Louisville Municipal Bridge, Pylons and Administration Building

Hi NY and thanks for correcting my edit to the Clark County, KY list. Since the bridge spans the Ohio River between Louisville and Jeffersonville, IN and the latter is in Clark County, IN, I'm going to assume that it should be listed there and added to the list of sites listed in more than one state on the US NRHP listings page. I'll also add a note to our ever-expanding NRIS errors page. --sanfranman59 (talk) 01:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Overly, North Dakota deleted

Could you check and see if there is any content/history for Overly, North Dakota that can be restored? I was looking at incorporated cities in Bottineau County, North Dakota, and this was listed as unincorporated, when in fact it's incorporated.U.S. Geological Survey Geographic Names Information System: Overly, ND It appears to have been deleted back in 2005 when someone blanks the page with the content {{delete}} THIS PAGE SUCKS Looks like an over zealous delete rather than a vandalism revert. I could recreate the article manually, but if there's legtimate sourced content, that would save some time.DCmacnut <> 02:47, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now to bring it up to current standards for like articles.DCmacnut <> 03:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Overly in two counties?

Could you take a look at my recent addition to Overly, North Dakota. I have two sources (an old plat book and a North Dakota placenames history) that place a portion of Overly in Rolette County. However, it is not listed as being part of Rolette by the Census Bureau or the North Dakota League of Cities (cities in more than one county are footnoted and the taxable values in each county separately). I've added reference to the two sources that say it's in both and the two that say it isn't. Just wanted to see if you think that works.DCmacnut <> 19:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's a topo showing one block in Rolette County. It's possible that portions were deannexed at different times. --NE2 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I had thought about that, but US Census records back to 1900 only show it in Bottineau. My speculation is it was only platted, but the platted area wasn't included when the city incorporated.DCmacnut <> 23:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Unless the USGS made an error, those dashed lines are the corporate limits. Based on other maps (horrible site, but it's all I can find [4][5][6]), the block shown by the USGS is the northernmost block in the plat of [someone's] First Addition. --NE2 10:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

USGS has been known to make errors in the past, but that map is from the 1970s. I also have the same 1910 plat map of Overly you linked to showing parts of Overly as platted in Rolette. There are also two GNIS entries for Overly that contradict each other. One is the Incorporated City of Overly, which is only in Bottineau; the other is the populated place Overly, which is listed in Bottineau and Rolette. However, we generally can't rely only on maps or GNIS to support whether a city is in two counties. We'd need confirmation from Census results and other sources. First, the North Daktoa League of Cities and the National Association of Counties doesn't list Overly as a multi-county city. Also, the U.S. Census always list multi-county cities by showing the population from both counties, labeling it "City (part)." Overly isn't among them in maps from 1990 or 2000. None of the past censuses (links here) for North Dakota list any geographic changes for Overly indicating it was once in Rolette. I don't discount the discrepancy, but it's going to take some serious research. The bottom line is, if Overly was ever part of Rolette, it isn't anymore.DCmacnut <> 15:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The North Dakota Centennial Blue Book lists a State Rep. Ole Syverston as being from Overly, but places him as representing Rolette County. However, those "residences" were to identify the nearest post office, not where they lived. In fact, the Blue Book lists him as having a Rolla, North Dakota, post office in 1897, and Overly in 1907. Another source[7] that also says he's from "Overly, Rolette County" indicate he farmed 2 and a half miles south of Overly, placing him within Rolette with an Overly address, but not residing within the city limits. This will be an interesting research to see just what happened to the Rolette portion of the town.DCmacnut <> 01:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Cumberland Gap

We've been at loggerheads over the location of the Cumberland Gap Historic District. This is an HD for Cumberland Gap, listed on the NR in 1980, and located at the junction of 3 states. The NRIS entry for the district lists a "city" in each of the three states, but the actual historic district is not even particularly near those cities (and semi-legible handwriting on the nom form suggests that someone tried to change some of the information on the submitted form). The HD is actually wholly within the Cumberland Gap National Historical Park. It is ridiculous to list Harrogate as its location in National Register of Historic Places listings in Claiborne County, Tennessee, Middlesboro in National Register of Historic Places listings in Kentucky, and Gibson Station National Register of Historic Places listings in Lee County, Virginia, when this is a single HD that isn't actually in any of those places (although part of the HD actually borders Cumberland Gap, Tennessee). --Orlady (talk) 14:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Jennys Lane Historic District

This site was just missing from the Bristol County list and it's not on any of the other Rhode Island lists. A "What links here" check returned no links either. When I was checking for duplicates, I came across a good number of sites that were missing from the Rhode Island and the New Jersey lists. So I'm now going back through the lists for these states and checking them against the Elkman output as well as the latest, downloadable version of the raw NRIS database available at nps.gov. --sanfranman59 (talk) 16:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Handbook of Texas fair use

OK, so you removed the Handbook of Texas information on the Navo, Texas article. I can see why you would delete it (even though my taxes pay for the Texas Historical Commission in one way or another, so it could be considered public domain), but why not HELP rather than hinder? Why don't you take the time to make the information encyclopedic and not a "copyvio" as you called it? Also, would you be opposed to me re-writing the info to where it is not so obviously plagarized from the Handbook of Texas? Please advise. Creton4 (talk) 19:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

2008 population Estimate for Billings, MT

Look it up! The new estimates are out!

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFPopulation?_event=Search&_name=Billings&_state=04000US30&_county=Billings&_cityTown=Billings&_zip=&_sse=on&_lang=en&pctxt=fph

Thanks

Wolfdog1 (soon to be Wolfdog406) (talk) 22:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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Fresh opinion

Hey Nyttend- Hate to bother you again, but if you could offer some advice and insight into a discussion I have been having with another editor regarding sources. We have gone back and forth several times now and it would help to have additional opinions for both him and myself. He definitely means well, but apparently doesn't quite understand that being an insider to a subject doesn't negate the need for published, reliable sources. Any help you could give would be much aprreciated. What I have said can be found here and what he has replied can be found here. Thanks for your time as always! --JonRidinger (talk) 02:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Anything you can add to support what I've said, even if it's brief, not to mention your own experiences as an editor. I'm just concerned he thinks I have some sort of ownership issue with the Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio) article and that I'm targeting him. Also, hearing some of the same things from someone else would be helpful, so it's not just my opinion. You not having ties to the school itself is also beneficial. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha..well, Jeff is a cool guy, but I am definitely not him, though we do edit many of the same articles and share the same viewpoints on a lot of things. :) --JonRidinger (talk) 03:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Maple Grove Sales Pavilion coords

Hi NY ... How were you able to determine the geocode coords for Maple Grove Sales Pavilion (the new listing in Fillmore County, NE). I looked around some and couldn't find anything that gave the crossroad or other information that would pinpoint where on Rd W that address is. I'm just wondering if there's a resource out there for such information that I'm unaware of. Thanks. --sanfranman59 (talk) 17:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Dunns Pond Mound

On July 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dunns Pond Mound, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks-

Many thanks-surgery went okay-I had to stay over night and got out Saturday morning. Hospitals are lousy places to sleep they wake you up during the night to check your vitals, etc. Sunday I was able to get to church, etc. How are you doing? RFD (talk) 10:25, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Locations

As you noted, I've been doing a little work on NRHP sites, particularly on locations. Since, among other things, I boat -- I took a look at lighthouse locations in Boston Harbor, which raises the question: Lighthouses have:

an NRHP location
an "official" location, as published in the US Coast Guard Light List, often rounded to tenths of minutes (ie 0, 6, 12... seconds)
a location which can easily be taken off of paper charts or their electronics copies (raster charts) with a charting program
a location in the NOAA vector chart database
a location which can be taken off Google maps using earthtools.org (there must be other similar tools. Better ones?)

In the case of Long Island Head Light, they're all different in the fourth place of decimal degrees. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's a general problem.

The question is, which to use? Although the Light List is "official", as noted it's also rounded, so I'm inclined to use earthtools.org, which comes very close to the vector chart location (+/- 10 meters). This has the advantage that if the average user pulls up a map, the location will show up where it "ought to". Jameslwoodward (talk) 10:39, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The site you linked (don't know what to call it, as it doesn't call itself anything -- "pagesperso-orange"?) is neat. At first I thought that earthtools would be better going in visually with no address (for Long Island Head Light, for example) since it uses a larger screen and therefore fewer steps zooming in, but since Google Maps has NRHP places in its database, it gets close in one step, even with no address, at least for this project.

Don't fear overloading with advice -- I do the same thing, understand the syndrome, and appreciate it when on the receiving end. Jameslwoodward (talk) 13:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

If you go to Google Maps (or Bing Maps) and type in "Long Island Head Light" or "Adams Magoun House", you come up at the right place. They have apparently taken the location from Wikipedia. Google also shows an icon on all maps at the highest and next to highest zoom levels. It doesn't have "Lloyd Lewis House", so maybe it works only from specific articles and not the county or state-wide lists (the Lloyd Lewis House article is new yesterday so presumably the Google bot hasn't found it yet). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 14:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

US vs. US Route in Michigan

The Michigan Department of Transportation uses US Highway, not US Route. Street signs in Michigan will use US ## or US Highway ##. (The former is much more common, btw.) WP:USRD standardized article titles at US Route to settle page move wars, with redirects from the US Highway usage. If you read U.S. Route 41 in Michigan you'll note that the lead sentence and the infobox do not use Route, only the hatnote that points directly to U.S. Route 41 at the top of the page. The abbreviation US 41 will be much more common in Michigan, and US Route 41 will brand someone as a tourist immediately on par with dropping the "M-" from highway numbers that don't correspond to Interstate or US Highways. Imzadi1979 (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I welcome standardization, but the fact of the matter is that US Highways are state highways with a special number and a special shield. They are not maintained or even administered by the USDOT. The American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) is in charge of US Highway number assignments and routings. USDOT has a non-voting membership in AASHTO, as do many foreign transportation agencies. I know that Turkey has a representative in the group, but only the state DOT members can vote. My point is simple, USDOT can call the highway whatever it wants. The NRHP database can call the highway whatever it wants, but it's still going to be called US # in Michigan, just like our state highways that aren't US Highways or Interstates have the M-# names. That is why Bkonrad and I have changed the lists so that they link the way that they do. Imzadi1979 (talk) 01:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Mount Savage Castle

Just ran across the Mount Savage Castle in Allegany County; any idea if it might be part of the Mount Savage Historic District? Nyttend (talk) 04:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I cannot tell definitively from comparing the address of Mount Savage Castle to the boundary map for Mount Savage Historic District whether or not it is included. Unfortunately the NRHP application isn't online and the MHT description isn't detailed enough. Perhaps User:Acroterion might know since he inhabits that part of the world?--Pubdog (talk) 10:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Lila Rajiva AfD

Thanks for your help. I was trying very hard to fix it but I am not very good at using wikipedia. 74.237.158.41 (talk) 01:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I've added the box. For future reference, it's really just a Special:Prefixindex/<insert pages here> Cheers, I'^mperator 02:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Mummy

See: http://billwhittaker.googlepages.com/mummy Let me know when I can take it down. Cheers! Bill Whittaker (talk) 14:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Glad to help. Article is looking good. Both Waldo Wedel and his wife Mildred Mott Wedel did archaeology in Iowa, but well before my time. I met their son once. Mildred was instrumental in connecting the prehistoric Oneota in Iowa with the Chiweran Sioux of the region (Winnebago, Iowa, Missouria, Otoe) Bill Whittaker (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I decided to nominate Mummy Cave for DYK (here). Hope thats fine with you ;-) --D.B.^{talk•contribs} 22:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places categorizing bot

This is just a quick not to let you know I haven't forgot about the bot you requested. I intended to do it this week, but I was unexpectedly otherwise occupied. I should be able to start on it tomorrow and I don't anticipate it taking more than a day or two to code. I'll let you know when the BRFA is filed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Your fakery

Who do you think you're kidding? Your self-awarded page is deluded aspirations that you could never achieve in the free market. Get a job. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Royleechapman (talk • contribs) 13:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I saw Sinebot sign the above on my watchlist and left a WP:NPA reminder for the new user who left this. I almost deleted it, but figured you could do that if you wanted. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Precincts in Illinois

Question 1: I don't know why the precincts in Illinois were renamed, or if they even were renamed (I think the DMV still shows different names than the U.S Census Bureau and the GNIS).
Question 2: I think they should probably stay in alphabetical order, based on how other counties' precincts are named. Most counties don't number their precincts, some counties only number precincts with duplicate names and leave the rest unnumbered (such as Johnson County), two counties (Pope and Menard, the latter of which I just renamed all the precinct articles) give every precinct a name and unique number, and Monroe County only numbers the precincts without giving them names. Based on that, Pope and Menard Counties should probably be left in alphabetical order to go along with all the other counties which don't number all of their precincts. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for tidying after me - caps and plurals. Acroterion _(talk) 17:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Sherrod Brown and edit warring

Not sure if the 3RR comment at User_talk:Hallesister was directed at me or the other editor. I just went back and realized that I indeed reverted this particular editor more than 3 times in 24 hours. I failed to count the edit I made on August 3 at 4 pm local time. That first one appeared to be vandalism, so I don't know if it falls into the 3RR exceptions or not once it was clear otherwise. Even though the other edits were August 4 in the AM, they were within the same 24 hr window. I didn't want it to get to edit warring on my part (even though it I am guilty of such). I know my admonishing to the other editor to abide by 3RR is the pot calling the kettle black, but it was clear the edits were unconstructive and needed to be removed per WP:BLP and WP:V/WP:RS.DCmacnut <> 21:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I had posted a 3RR warning on his page further up, and your comment "no warning is on your talk page" kind of threw me.DCmacnut <> 01:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Noah Ogle Place

On August 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Noah Ogle Place, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

WP:DYK 02:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mummy Cave

On August 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mummy Cave, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

WP:DYK 08:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Geneva College

Hi. Please see the following links showing Geneva College's membership in the Council of Independent Colleges here and the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities here. I will replace the cat and add the new one for the NAICU, as well as add links in the article proper. Please let me know if you have questions. Thanks. - Masonpatriot (talk) 15:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Vacation-

Have a nice vacation-Thanks-RFD (talk) 18:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Marc's

You do know that "I've not heard of it" is not a good argument, right? Check the AFD; I found plenty of sources. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 17:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Your Explanation about Editorial Work

Hi, thank you for your comments presumably aimed at justifying deletion of my article on Himalayan Dolpo Healing Project. Just for your information let me tell you that this was my very first attempt at putting something up on Wiki. I always thought that Wiki encourages people to add content as much as possible. In fact, in one place I read that Wiki would like to see a page on every person on this earth. This being the case, I thought it might be useful for people to know the initiatives taken to alleviate the living conditions of a group of people in one of the most remote areas. This organization is run by volunteers (no stipends or allowances!) and no funding from any Government in the world or any NGOs. My role is purely setting up the website for this organization and hence I thought it might be good to raise the awareness of the people by putting up something simple for people to read about Dolpo.

Needless to say, I quickly realized that Wiki was a elitist club, hell bent on editorial perfection rather than the actual content. Obviously, this was not meant for mere mortals like me - I went through pages and pages of 'beginners help' which did not make much sense to me. Now, I have being involved in the ICT work for over 20 years and please do not assume that I am at the level of someone who is learning to log on to Windows XP. After spending hours of reading, I thought I will have a go at generating my first article and managed to save the document with some level of satisfaction. This did not last very long - a few hours later I saw a cryptic message saying that the article was deleted due to copyright violations. I immediately thought this might be related to inclusion of a url which pointed to page with Google Maps and immediately removed it and reposted the article. Voila, within another few hours I get another message, this time warning me but with a bit more details about the reason for deletion. After guessing the problem again, I removed all embedded urls and listed them as references. I thought I finally got it - not quite! Another statement saying that the article is targeted for 'quick deletion' or something to that effect. More reading, more hours trying to work out what the heck is going on. I put a 'hang on' on the article (as suggested) and put a message on my talk asking for help. That help never came and the article just disappeared into a Wiki black hole.

Now tell me Nyttend, do you guys really want people to contribute content or you rather pick and choose what content should go up? Unfortunately, it appears that the latter is the truth which creates a dangerous outcome as you guys can then dictate to the world what they should know about this world - I wonder 'brainwashing' is listed in Wiki or not! However, if I have got it all wrong and you guys really want Wiki to have content coming from 'grassroots' level, surely you should make it somewhat easy for people to do this and have the 'editors' help people to write articles of your standard rather than throwing almost meaningless legal garbage at the 'offending' contributors? There is one simple rule in this world which applies to IT more so than to any other discipline - that is if you want people out there to use your system or services, keep it simple and easy to use or KISS. Having draconian editorial rules and thousands of pages of supposedly help material will not get you very far.

As for me, I think I got the message from Wiki - it is a simple 'just keep out of this, this is our little exclusive club', and I certainly will do so.

Sorry to take up your space but I had to make sure that my comments are taken in proper context.

Let me tell you that I have no animosity towards any of your editors and I wish them all well. However, I feel that it is important to tell you that something is amiss here - either the procedures are set to discourage 'grassroots level' contributions or the editors feel that they belong to an exclusive club. Either way, I feel that the founders of Wiki would not have wanted to see an outcome such as this.

Let me get off my soap box now and I also hope you will visit http://www.himalayandolpo.org to find out how poor people struggle to make another day in this world. Gdesilva (talk) 09:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Denver NRHP Page

I reomoved my link to the photo of the Denver Civic Center Classroom building from the Denver NRHP page because the picture is of a different building, namely the McNichols Civic Center Building, which is not on the NRHP. I took a picture of the wrong building.
Is there a way to change the file name in Wikicommons? Thanks, Denverjeffrey (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Say, on the Denver NRHP pages, I was wondering whether it might be more precise to refer to the river as the South Platte River rather than the Platte River. What do you think? Thanks, Denverjeffrey (talk) 10:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Wisconsin Zipcode/work area

I removed lots of blue links from your Wisconsin zipcode work area- You are talking about lots of blue links. A huge chunk. I am using it to keep track of what articles of Wisconsin's unincorporated communities are being completed.I removed 3 blue links from Minnesota zipcode work area also.Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Tennessee Colony, Texas

Your initial version of the article about this unincorporated place noted the large number of zip codes (four of them, to be specific). I've expanded the article, and it's clear to me that all those zip codes are due to the presence of several major state prison facilities (four of them, to be specific). It looks to me like 75861 is the zip code for the regular population plus one prison, and each of the other three prisons has its own zip code. I didn't touch your wording in the zip code section of the article, but I think that some additional attention might be in order (but it's a very low priority). --Orlady (talk) 14:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places listings in Park County, Colorado

re: The sort. Fair enough, but it looks to me like giving undue weight to NRHP stuff. Now, I'm totally pro-NRHP, but I've seen too many folks who do the "| ]]" sort thing in order to get their article at the top of a cat. I'm sure that's not the intention. It is the sort of thing that could easily get lost in the shuffle, but why not let it sort naturally by "N"? The best thing, of course, when you get enough entries is to turn it into a subcat. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Denver NRHP Page

Thanks for your help with the bad file name for my image (McNichols Civic Center Building). I am not sure if it worked or not.
Let me ask your advice on two pictures for the Denver NRHP page. The site called "Ray Apartment Buildings." There are two buildings in this one site. Due to foliage and tight space, I was unable to shoot both buildings in a single shot. I have these two pictures here and here. Should I uupload only one of the two to the Denver NRHP page? Merge them into a single file using Photoshop and upload that? Thanks, and I hope you had a nice vacation. Denverjeffrey (talk) 23:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I added the neighborhoods for Denver's parkways (and then cleaned up the mistakes I made doing it, sorry). Regards, Denverjeffrey (talk) 03:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Morrow

Why do you keep removing that text from Morrow, Ohio? The band is notable enough for an article. Powers ^T 12:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't clear. The band is notable enough that it has an article. What redlink do you mean? Powers ^T 13:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

What if the line said "The band Blessid Union of Souls is from Morrow."? Powers ^T 13:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems needlessly petty to quibble over the exact wording then. Why not suggest a rewording instead of just repeatedly reverting? Powers ^T 14:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I've never heard of the band, either; all I did was click on the link and read the first paragraph. Sometimes a little investigation can save a lot of reverting later. Powers ^T 14:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Images

I would just slap the images in dedicated articles. For Bridgewater Historic District (Bridgewater, Pennsylvania), you will have to add it on the left unless and until you can beef up the article. You will end up with squeezing, but that image is quite important to the article. The other article should be created and slap the image in as best you can. The problem with historic dists is that they have large infoboxes once the systematic maps are included. If you can not beef up the article enough, you will just have to try help the reader by offering him the image at the cost of squeezing the text.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Windham

In reference to the Windham, Ohio notable natives section, that's what I thought, but in discussions with JeffBillman and in reading the WP:USCITY it said "Provide information, preferably in prose form, of any famous or notable individuals that were born in, or have lived for a significant amount of time, in the city." It does say "a bulleted list is usually acceptable in the early stages of an article's development" but it definitely led me to believe that the quicker you can get it away from a list, the better which is why I went ahead and made it into prose. True, Windham, Ohio is in no danger of becoming a featured article any time soon, but I figured, why does that have to be the last step? I honestly have never seen a featured article for a small town so I didn't have anything to use as an example. In any case, I have no preference. I think both look acceptable. My biggest problem was with the extensive amount of detailed information about each person that had previously been there. --JonRidinger (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the key to the list format for this section is not that an article somehow merits prose on the basis of article length or superior subject notability, but simply that such a format is easy to create in the early stages of article development. That said, and as is pointed out in WP:USCITY, "such lists are frequently vandalized". I'm sure all three of us have had more than our fair share of having to remove various listings in several municipality articles along the lines of, "* Jimmy DeLoser, Podunk class of '10, is DA BOMB!!" Prose form makes the section a somewhat less tempting target, as the ease with which a list formatted notables section is created also makes it easier for "Jimmy DeLoser" to gain worldwide Wikipedia fame for about fifteen seconds. ;-) Also, see Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Excessive use of lists, IMO, contributes to the sense of documenting minutiae in articles. -- JeffBillman (talk) 17:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I notice that you posted a picture

at Puye Ruins. I believe that theatsite, like Puye, has been abandoned. iI is now Puye Cliff Dwellings. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

YTanks for the merge in the two Puye articles. i can do a fair amount of wikipedianing, but never really got into the merging and discombobulation and those sorts of things, so I'm always thrilled when someone else will pick it up. Carptrash (talk) 17:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

PS thanks for using that picture again in National Register of Historic Places listings in Rio Arriba County, New Mexico eek Carptrash (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

About Billings, MT Area

Nyttend, The city has a total land area of 40.9 square miles according to the city of Billings and the population estimate for 2008 IS 103994 according to the Census...look it up!

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFPopulation?_event=Search&_name=Billings&_state=04000US30&_county=Billings&_cityTown=Billings&_zip=&_sse=on&_lang=en&pctxt=fph

Thanks

Wolfdog1 (soon to be Wolfdog406) (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

High Appreciations

The positive way, through which you have commented over the deletion of Dil Jan Khan is something high appreciation. You have proved that Wikipedia has policies that matter not the personalities. I appreciate you for your extremely positive approach. --LineofWisdom (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Total land area IS 40.9 Sq Miles according to the city of Billings!

Are you kidding me! How can I make it any more clear! Do you want the phone number or email so that you can talk to them yourself or something? I can't be changing this back and forth like this. I've emailed the city and they said that the city is 40.9 square miles and here is a source for you.

http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=city&lng=3&id=billings-mt-usa

Wolfdog1 (soon to be Wolfdog406) (talk) 19:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

"Typical smalltown western Ohio ignorance"--really necessary?

Hi. Just noticed that you took a sour tone on the NRIS issues page that looks totally inappropriate. I'm not from Western Ohio (and there's no personal insult that I feel), but I was wondering: do you think that comment (which you even referenced in a later entry of your own) was really necessary? If one reads those comments a certain way, it could appear that you're calling people in western Ohio, the officers at the OHPO, and the Keeper of the National Register ignorant. I'm sure that's not what you meant to do! --At least, I hope not!--BFDhD (talk) 20:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You wrote :I've lived in Logan County all my life, and I've seen signs, labels, etc. for State Route this, State Route that, etc., and heard people talking the same way. Go to Hardin County and you'll see official signs for State Route 68! I don't expect the official Register people in Washington to investigate that; it's the locals who make such an absurd mistake as that. Nyttend (talk) 21:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Ha! I get it. (Coming from a small town, I can sympathize about inanities like those you describe.) Carry on!--BFDhD (talk) 01:07, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Greeley, Colorado

Is your only objection to this edit that it was labelled as original research? Nev1 (talk) 21:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but look at it this way: per WP:V any unreferenced material can be removed. As such, it's not fair to warn someone for removing unreferenced material is it? Nev1 (talk) 21:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I think WP:V may take precedence here as it is policy, whereas the standard format is an informal guideline. Now I may not agree with what Fasach Nua's methods, but the removal of an unreferenced list is within policy and harms no one. If you feel the need to warn them for being disruptive, warn them for when they actually violate policy. Nev1 (talk) 21:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm missing something. I see one source in the notable people section. I doubt that verifies everyone listed there. Nev1 (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Dragonball Evolution Cover.jpg

Can you undelete this image? It was removed for non-use due to the article Dragonball Evolution (video game) being merged. I have unmerged it, with independent sources provided. Ham Pastrami (talk) 22:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hakalau

Hello,

I enjoy that picture too. I merely took it from Flickr, where the photographer there only said it is somewhere near Hilo. So I looked at Google maps, satellite views... and found out it is Hakalau.

I like to browse Flickr for aerial views. You can see my collection at commons:user:Teofilo/Earth from the sky.

It would be nice if someone from there could confirm that the old sugar plant is one of the buildings shown on the picture. In that case we could say exactly which building it is. Teofilo talk 07:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Your Vote on Dil Jan Khan AFD

Note to Nyttend - I respect your opinion however, what would you say about a vote by Marwat786 who appears as another sock puppet of LineofWisdom as this account was created only today and solely for voting on these two pages of Dil Jan Khan and Abdul Majeed Khan Marwat. I can counter LineofWisdom by creating fake accounts, however, I don't believe in such absurdities. As an administrator it is your duty to keep an eye on such malicious elements. I would once gain repeat that what ever the result of this AFD, I would request to strike out all such fake votes and ban this user as well. -- MARWAT 12:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Note to Nyttend I not only respect your comments but of each individual here. I am surfing Wikipedia since 2008, atleast once in fortnight. I recently created this I.D when it felt that being a native and Marwat myself, I must not keep quite on the issues relating to my tribe and its elder. I don't know how Marwatt is so confidant that I am Sock of other user who is much criticised for none. Now, when he has challenged my indetity, it is his moral duty to prove that I am using sock. Actually, he cannot see someone voting against him. He neverwants someone else than him, espcially from Marwat tribe, to speak and have freedom of writing here. If I am uneligible to vote on the very first day - my aim for making this I.D is cleared above - then my vote be declared null and void. But I request you administrators to track the previous record (from 2006 to date) of this user Marwatt to know his state of mind on article Marwat. It wonders me that he never talks regarding the deletion or whatever the subject is, but always challenges the Users' authority to defend any of the Articles that he wants to be here, wether of a Notable or obscure personality. In the end, is it fair to talk about users at Article for Deletions, rather debating and addressing the issues? Is there no administrator to stop his such notorious writings? --Marwat786 (talk) 17:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Bromochlorofluoroiodomethane

Could you perhaps find a few more textbook examples? it should settlethe issue. Peculiar that someone should even have nominated it. DGG ( talk ) 14:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Clark County, Ohio

I was checking my watchlist and saw that the page had been redirected without discussion, but then saw that the MSA history was included on the county page. I see I jumped the gun and have reverted my earlier edits. Thanks. --Acntx (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC).

My comments

I have posted my comments at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Possibly ethnic-related disputes on Pakistani issues. Please go through. --LineofWisdom (talk) 18:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

ZIP code listings

You're welcome. I'm glad you made those ZIP code listings in the first place, as I've been referencing them now that I'm creating a lot of articles on unincorporated communities. --TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I still only have about 11,000 edits. --TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 15:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Waldo McBurney.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Waldo McBurney.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. B (talk) 12:51, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Cottonwood West, Utah

Nice try with the last edit. The now-defunct Cottonwood West CDP is supposedly part of Millcreek Township? based on what source? talk about "original research"... Schiptuin (talk) 02:55, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hudson, Massachusetts

Thanks for the correction on National Register of Historic Places listings in Worcester County, Massachusetts. I assumed that Hudson was in Worcester County because I saw an entry for the Felton Street School (also in Hudson) there. I'm guessing we should move that also to the Middlesex County page, unless there is a strange county/town border issue I'm not aware of... Tim Pierce (talk) 21:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Ghost towns and the county templates

Hi, Nyttend. I was just idly wondering whether the Loyston, Tennessee article ought to display a county navbox template, and whether this ghost town ought to appear on that county template. Do you have any opinions about including ghost towns on these navbox templates, or about displaying county navboxes on ghost town articles? --Orlady (talk) 00:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. I was just musing about the pathetic-looking Template:Union County, Tennessee, which lists a grand total of 3 municipalities (one of which I've never heard of outside of Wikipedia, although it's only about 40 miles from here) in two different rows (two rows because one styles itself a "town", while the other two call themselves "cities") plus one red-linked unincorporated community (a place which, I hasten to say, I have heard of). --Orlady (talk) 13:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

As it happens, I eliminated the "town" row in the Union County template. It seems that Luttrell styles itself a "city", not a "town." The private act of the state legislature that forms Luttrell's charter does has the subtitle "AN ACT to amend the charter of the Town of Luttrell, Tennessee", but everywhere else in the charter (and other official sources) it is called a "city." --Orlady (talk) 14:59, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Tennessee cities and towns, in general

In response to your inquiry, see the first paragraph on page 20 of the PDF (page xiv of the report) of this report by the Tennessee Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations. --Orlady (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Further to the above: This isn't discussed much in the state statutes. Perhaps the most informative legal references are at TCA 6-1-203, 6-1-209 and 6-1-501, where the designation of "town" or "city" is discussed as being an element of the name adopted by a municipality. Also, some statutes apply to "municipalities", in which case "municipality" is often defined as "city or town" (for example, at TCA 6-54-501 and 6-51-401) but sometimes has other definitions such as "city, town, county, or special school district." It appears that in Tennessee the designation of "city" vs. "town" has about as much legal significance as the color of the police cars, which is why I have a history of trying to make "Cities and towns" be a single line on the Tennessee county templates. --Orlady (talk) 16:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Essex vs. Essex Junction

Might I ask, what is your objection to clarifying the relationship between the two in the article introductions?

I tried explaining my reasoning on the talk pages of the respective articles. in short somebody typing Essex, Vermont could be looking for either article (and vice versa) —MJBurrage^(T•C) 02:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

The catch here is that if a source or article says "Essex, Vermont" it could mean either the Town or the Village. And due to the mailing addresses being "Essex Junction" for the entire town, an article that says "Essex Junction" could actually mean the town and not just the Village. The way I had the intro acted as a low-key disambiguation, letting the reader know that there two Essex, Vermont's, the Town and the Village. A reference that does not specifically use either "Town" or "Village" is ambiguous. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 03:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

What about the casual user who reads an article somewhere about Essex, and comes here to look it up. The articles should make the overlap clear, not pretend they are separate communities. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 03:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Boardman, Youngstown, and Poland

Nyttend, my friend, I think you're still missing what I'm saying. This may be my fault, as I may have set up the notion that a source is missing from the article. That much is true-- we do need a source for the clarification-- but what is missing is the clarification itself on what actually constitutes Boardman Township. Is the township still coterminous with the survey township? Or were the parts that were annexed to Youngstown and Poland also removed from the township's jurisdiction? A map isn't going to show this very well, if indeed it shows it at all.

The way the article is currently written suggests that the civil township is coextensive with the original survey township. While that may be the case, we cannot assume it to be true. Look, for example, at Hiram Township, Portage County, Ohio: "According to the website of Hiram Township, the portion of Hiram Township once adjoining Windham Township is no longer a part of Hiram Township, having been annexed by the village of Garrettsville." As I've said, it's minor, but still relevant to the wording of the article. -- JeffBillman (talk) 14:03, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Finally back — my church worships later in the day than most churches, and we had guests that stayed through the evening. With a few exceptions (generally those that have been almost completely annexed, such as Washington Township, Lucas County, Ohio or Columbia Township, Hamilton County, Ohio) I formulated these bits according to the area originally in the township — therefore this section of this article was written to deal with a specific square piece of land, 25 mi² in area. Let me define my meanings: in the rest of this comment, I'm going to speak of "original boundaries" as being the boundaries of the township after all changes to its boundaries in relation to other townships, but not including changes due to municipal status — for example, the "original boundaries" of Hiram, Portage would be a square, although it's not now, and the "original boundaries" of McArthur Township, Logan County, Ohio would be identical to its current boundaries, even though the township once included Richland Township to the north. Anyway...if we assume that there are sources for the original boundaries of the township, I think that using these boundaries is the best idea for listings the township's neighbors and communities, since the original boundaries can't change. There's a map that at least was online that shows exactly what I mean by "original boundaries" If I could find a link for it, I could use a specific map to substantiate all such boundaries: in April of 2008, I downloaded a map of Ohio by townships (using "original boundaries") that was linked from some Wikipedia article; it's produced by ODNR, and I'm sure that it would be reliable enough to be a RS. The map comes in PDF and is about 114 KB. Does this mean anything to you? Have you ever seen such a file? I'd really like to find the URL for this file; I still have it, and I've used it to make a map of Ohio by townships (including one for all the townships I've visited :-) but obviously a file only on my computer isn't a reliable source. Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes! I've seen the file. In fact, I think we had it linked once upon a time to one of the Logan County articles. In any case, I think sources are rather plentiful for the original boundaries of townships in the Western Reserve. I think there's even another map somewhere online that shows the original boundaries... in fact, come to think of it, it's here on Wikipedia: File:Western Reserve Including the Fire Lands 1826.jpg So anyway, I think we can just say, "Several populated places are located within the original survey boundaries of Boardman Township" and leave it with the provided source for now. It still leaves open the question of current jurisdiction, but I don't care; if someone wants to pursue that matter, let them. -- JeffBillman (talk) 01:07, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your cooperation and civility on the Fairfield article.-- — Kbob • Talk • 16:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Cross Topped Churches TR

http://www.nr.nps.gov/multiples/64000616.pdf. Wasn't too hard to find actually. I got in within 30 seconds! The early MPS forms are alphabetical by state and then alphabetical by title within the state. Einbierbitte (talk) 22:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean...

(That's not in either source)???

Wolfdog1 (soon to be Wolfdog406) (talk) 00:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

MPS forms

My guess (and it's only my guess) is that they decided late in the game to scan them and add them to the NRIS. They bunched what they had from the 1970s and 1980s, put 'em in alphabetical order and scanned 'em. And then they took another batch from the 1990s and did the same, batch 'em by state and scan. It appears that the MPSs did not have refnums assigned to them at first, since the numbering scheme on the early forms is based on their alphabetical order and not chronologic order - the refnums were an afterthought. The refnums arbitrarily began with 64xxxxxx. Then it appears the NPS thought better of it (since there's going to be a year 2064) and changed the number scheme to 645xxxxx. The more recent MPSs since the late 1990s and early 2000s now are listed in chronologic order starting with whatever refnum they left off with. That's how I see it anyway. I never asked the NPS Einbierbitte (talk) 20:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Prehistoric Sites in Belmont County, Ohio

I wonder if you may have any more information on the Opatrny Site or the Brokaw Site in Belmont County, Ohio. I am trying to map them out for a visit but seem to have hit a dead end in my local search. Any info you may be able to share would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Bwsmith84 (talk) 23:28, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Answers to several points:

Mills may have been confused with the location of the Petroglyphs, they are actually located southwest of Barnesville along a dirt road here. The site is a sad reminder that nature erases our marks, as the tracks have begun to erode or are covered in moss. The site came under some pressure a few years ago due to extensive strip-mining, but was saved from intrusion by the owners. The site, I believe is disappearing at a fast rate, and the only words I can give to any inquiring minds is to plan a visit soon.
I noticed you had made a correction on the listings in Belmont County regarding the Opatrny Village Site from the The National Register of Historic Places. Vol. 2, and hoped there may have been a map because my research has been fruitless thus far. I have found a possible lead in a magazine called Ohio Archaeologist, Volume 29(2), but my library unfortunately doesn't have any copies.
As to the location of the Tower Site, I have only guessed at its location from certain geological features, as well as the location of the "tower" built at the site. I have yet to tour it, but the location is more west than north, but northwest nontheless. The owner of the site is Benedek Broadcasting Corp of Southeastern Ohio, who have been generous to grant me a future visit, as long as it does not lead to wanton destruction or increased tourism.
If you would like to see more photos of these NRHP sites I have a Flickr account which includes many more pictures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwsmith84 (talk • contribs) 03:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Area errors in NRIS

I replied on my talk page. This got sorted out back in July. The comment you saw at Talk:Norris, Tennessee is an old one, but possibly was moved to that page from a deleted page (making it look newer). --Orlady (talk) 03:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Sir Edward O'Brien, 2nd Baronet

Can I ask what the claim of notability is? Ironholds (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, I just saw it, sorry - nobility is not normally a claim to notability. Baronets and Barons are inherited titles, and although some barons may be members of the House of Lords and pass WP:POLITICIAN, it is not standard practice to consider them notable or "important" by default. Ironholds (talk) 14:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

I've been working on articles about the nobility for years, and I can tell you that the "local power" has never been enough to pass WP:POLITICIAN. Those Lords who were members of the House of Lords, yes, but not baronets, who were unable to become members and held little or no local power (a baronetcy, in many cases, came without any attachment of land). X, 1st Baronet is probably notable, yes, but his son or grandson shouldn't be assumed to be notable simply because they hold a title that their father worked towards. Ironholds (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, that's okay - I worked it out just after posting my first message and had a little facepalm moment. Ironholds (talk) 14:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

The earls didn't really have official offices, though. It's an interesting conundrum, really. In any case I'll prod those I've got on my watchlist and see what happens. Thanks, Ironholds (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of List of history's strongest disciple kenichi chapters

I just want to say that I disagree with your deletion of list of history's strongest disciple kenichi chapters. It was clear from the title that it was a list of chapters from History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi, so I don't see how it could qualify for WP:CSD#A1. Also, the article had been expanded significantly after it was tagged for speedy deletion. My understanding is that when the speedy deletion tag was placed on the article, the coding for the references section for the article was messed up, such that the references did not show. However, that appeared to be fixed such that it listed the ISBN numbers of the volumes of the series, which would also provide context for what the article was about. Calathan (talk) 04:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't the creator of the article, just a reader. I forget who the creator was, but hopefully he will recreate the article in a more complete state (i.e. with a lead section, which it didn't have when I viewed it). Calathan (talk) 04:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

state of art discussion location

I hope you might please consider making a suggestion here for an improved NRHP.COM reference or for a different reference that would credit a personal download of the NRIS database directly from the NPS. Or otherwise contribute to discussion. Thanks! doncram (talk) 19:28, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Munroe Falls, Ohio and Stow, Ohio

Hey Nyttend! If you could look at the edit histories for both the Stow, Ohio and Munroe Falls, Ohio articles, particularly in reference to the Education sections, I would mych appreciate it. We have a new editor who means well, but is taking removal of trivial information somewhat personally and I'm pretty sure he is using a registered account at times, User:Batcountry13. We have had some discussion with myself and another editor as well about the issues, but it would be nice to have some fresh air and opinions. Thanks --JonRidinger (talk) 23:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your efforts. You may also need to see about sockpuppets. I'm pretty sure this is the 5th account this user has registered for now as he also contributed under User:SMFHS Photographer, User:Stow Photographer, and User:Munroe Falls Photographer in addition to his anonymous IP and the Batcountry13 one I mentioned previously. I mentioned that on his anonymous talk page sometime ago (at least I THINK I did), but everything I've put there he has erased. --JonRidinger (talk) 00:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I gave up reverting both articles awhile back after I saw what was going on. Thanks again for your help. Like I said, I've worked with him on a number of things related to Stow and he has made progress, but this is really sticky for some reason. --JonRidinger (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Vermont villages

My reading of the Vermont law (which is consistent with what has previously been described in the article by other contributors) is that a village can be established only within an existing town, and it can expand its boundaries only within the parent town: http://www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/sections.cfm?Title=24&Chapter=039 --Orlady (talk) 14:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

High Road to Taos, NM

Hi Nyttend, I noticed you deleted mention of this in several articles on villages along this road. The High Road is a pretty big attraction in this area (I live near Taos in the summer), as is the art tour of same, so it merits mention, I think. Let me know your specific objections, and I can probably fix them. Thanks, Pete Tillman (talk) 20:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll start with fixing the High Road article, which is pretty windy. As it happens, I have a library book out on the road which looks decent. Might be a bit before I get to it. Best regards, Pete Tillman (talk) 03:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Denver Split

Wow, it looks great! The pages load much faster than the old, consolidated page.

I went ahead and made a page for the Union Station Neighboorhood. I will work on improving this page. Thanks again. Denverjeffrey (talk) 20:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

NRHP infobox

I'm curious as to wonder whether, in the case of the Watts Mill Bridge, that there is anything in the NRHP infobox that wasn't already in the Geobox or that could have been added to it, instead of having two infoboxes.

By the way, sorry for not being much of assistance in the Denver NRHP split, but it seems to have come out nicely. --Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 22:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I've used multiple infoboxes as well, but never seen it before with a Geobox. A lot a bridge articles with a Geobox (like any of Ruhrfisch's featured covered bridges) have the nrhp data included in it, but I'm fine whichever way if there isn't any duplication of info. --Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 00:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, Cogan House, Forksville, Hillsgrove, and Sonestown, plus one non-covered bridge, Plunketts Creek Bridge No. 3. --Niagara ^{Don't give up the ship} 16:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I can help, although I am rather busy and need to work on a state park article with Dincher first. I am guessing you've already seen the NRHP form and the related Thematic Resources document. There is also a brief mention of the covered bridge at the official McConnells Mill State Park website. I can also look the bridge up in the two books on PA covered bridges (Zacher and Evans) if you do not have that info. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, I can look them up - probably easiest to send you scans or pictures of the relevant pages via email. Another place to look is the National Bridge Inventory - is the bridge still open to vehicular traffic? It will take me a few days at best to get the books. Another thing that would be useful would be a history of Lawrence County - that might be useful for some background. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 02:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Genealogists tend to put old histories online - see this web page for Lawrence County (did not read any of them). I can also try to look it up on the NBI if you want me to. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Your revert

I noticed you reverted me earlier this morning. While I agree with you that our lists should stay true to the Park Service records, I don't want to see a possible mistake go uncorrected either. Is there some place I can list such discrepencies in the future, where they can eventually be checked out properly? I spend a fair amount of time on Flickr searching for NRHP buildings. Ottre 22:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Cheers, that clears up a lot. I'm from Australia and our heritage registers are often years out of date, the website's impossible to navigate, etc and so I'm used to relying on such local knowledge. Ottre 23:29, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It's an unusual assertion, that the NRHP listing date reported in NRIS is wrong. It could conceivably be wrong: there are other typos in NRIS data entry. But the Anderson Schoolhouse (Ashland, Ohio) one is in fact however listed at the NRIS's date of march 25, 1977, as reported in the Federal Register, Vol 44, No. 26, page 7551 -- Tuesday, February 6, 1979, p 137 of 218 page PDF file. Click on 1980-1979 link at left of NR listings page, to see, if extremely curious. :) doncram (talk) 05:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Wrangellia

Hey Nyttend -

Can you take a look at and delete the Wrangellia page? Besides the semi-incoherent writing and the huge number of just-plain-wrongs on it, the Wrangellia Terrane page covers the exact same subject. I've made sure that anything of value on the Wrangellia page is already included in the Wrangellia Terrane page. Cheers.CGX (talk) 18:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I just made it a redirect to the Wrangella Terrane page - no need for deletion and this preserves the history. Vsmith (talk) 19:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Undo of edit with four references.

Hi, I noticed that you undid my edit of Vernon, VT that added four references. I have undid it as the removal of this material was unilateral and done with no discussion on the talk page to build consensus prior to such a controversial action which could cause wikidrama.

You might want to be more cautious in reverting cited edits, especially if the citations link to verifiable material (such as the Town of Vernon's own website, Scientific American, and a local news station; admittedly one was a relatively well known blog, but the article there was verifiable). There is a process to go through in the deletion of material, and it's a community expectation that the behavior of its members conform to the WP:POLICIES established by the community. Perhaps you might want to review them? I understand that you may have been acting under WP:IGNORE (which is a policy), but in this case, it seems a rather questionable application of the rule, as undoing a referenced edit is hardly an improvement.

Further, I have edited the page to remove any material that might be considered ungermane to the article. The only assertions there are factual and backed by citations. As such, I don't believe that it should be removed. If you care to disagree, I would point you to the article's talk page here where we can discuss the matter further. Katana0182 (talk) 02:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I question whether the article is still POV, as you asserted in your latest edit summary. [8]. Perhaps one could consider your behavior to be provocative, such as trying to provoke me to revert your edits and look like the bad guy, when your edit seems like it had nothing to do with what your edit summary stated.Katana0182 (talk) 03:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Replying to your comment on my talk page, I would note that while undoing edits that are cited is not a blatant violation of policy, it isn't a nice (or WP:CIVIL) thing to do. I always try to expand citations, rather than deleting them all together, for example, illustrating where they came from or what is said, because often if a reference is from a reliable source, and a user uses that source to make brazen assertions, the user might be exaggerating what the source says, or the source might be less reliable than it might appear to be at first glance, like someone using 'cite news' on a newspaper editorial column, rather than a newspaper article.

Citations require effort to do, and effort spent citing material rather than, for instance, inserting random stuff without any factual verification takes time that some^[who?] (like the person inserting it, such as I - or even you) might consider valuable.

In any event, I wish you a good night. :-) Katana0182 (talk) 03:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Not not intended

Nope, should've been "now" - thanks for spotting it! Ironholds (talk) 10:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

revisit

I wonder if you could please revisit your merger proposal at Talk:Wilder, Vermont. As the proposal was based on now-understood-to-be-incorrect information, I wish that you would now do the decent thing, and take this one off the table. doncram (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Sean Hannity

Nyttend, could you lend us your wisdom (and maybe some admin tools)? We are trying to determine consensus on the inclusion of a sourced, but questionably notable fact at Talk:Sean Hannity. I thought we had reached this consensus, but User:Niteshift36 alleges that many of those voting in favor have been SPA's and sockpuppets. Though I disagree with Niteshift over the inclusion of this fact (Hannity's views on waterboarding), I really have no dogs in the hunt, and simply want to go with consensus on the article. I also need a hand in determining if Niteshift's allegation is true. Could you review, and maybe weigh in with your thoughts? Thanks! -- JeffBillman (talk) 23:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. To be honest, I'm a bit lost on it myself, as I'm not the one making the allegation (of SPA's and sockpuppets). Probably more than anything, the voice of a disinterested party would go a long way toward resolving the issue. Not that it's particularly heated-- I think Niteshift and I work together rather well, actually-- but just in helping us both find that elusive middle ground and consensus. -- JeffBillman (talk) 01:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Since you're both here, I'll kind of address both of you together. We've had socks identified twice in discussions for that article. Well, one sock and one that the SPI said was most likely someone working in concert. (The edited the same 3-4 articles, editing the same info and worked as a tag team to avoid being blocked, one editing, then taking days off while the other jumped in). There are a couple others I strongly suspect, but to be honest, I find the SPI requests so tediuous that keep putting it off. I truly do think that the article needs criticism included. I just hope that it can be done in a neutral and balanced manner. But I see having the criticism revolving about issues he's made his career on (abortion, conservatism, fiscal issues, immigration etc), rather than flash in the pan stuff like the waterboarding statement. 13 years of national tv and 9 years of national radio give plenty of ground to cover. I simply see looking at his long term issues as a better presentation of his views and what put him where he is than a one time statement. Once again, this whole thing of my userboxes came up. I don't hide who I am, but that doesn't mean I have an agenda. I will say that there are some editors whose sole participation in that article has been to try to continuously make the subject seem as negative as possible. But because I put user boxes on my page, I have an agenda. Meanwhile, an editor that has 85% of his total edits on wikipedia relating to Hannity (and none positive) tells me (with 2% of my edits related to Hannity) that I am a "Hannity staffer". In any case, I do think criticism has a place in the article, I just take a more historical view. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I just see this waterboarding thing as making a moutain out of a molehill. Some are trying to include it because it is "sexy" and sounds extremist, just like the much ado about nothing in having Hal Turner call his local show a few times over a decade ago before banning him from the show. The only reason anyone cares to put it in is that they can try to link him to a neo-nazi (a wikilink the term so it stands out more). The fact that pretty much one writer at a medium size paper bothered to care enough to write about it means little apparently. In a weird way, there has been more written debating the waterboarding thing than there was in actual media coverage. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Zion structures

Are you aware of any specific precedent concerning NRHP status as satisfying general notability? I'm discussing a merge proposal for some of the structure articles I created at Talk:Zion National Park with someone who insists that NRHP status is not significant. I don't necessarily object to the merge proposal (which was suggested by a different editor), as I think the threads of the individual structures could usefully be pulled into a summary article on what are in fact closely related structures that would be in an HD if they were closer together. The person I'm presently talking to have taken against the whole idea of NRHP as an indicator of significance. Acroterion _(talk) 12:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Bolding unincorporated community mentions in pages of townships

You unbolded "Concord" in the Concord Township, Lake County, Ohio entry. I bolded it based on the fact that "Millburg" is bolded in the Benton Charter Township, Michigan entry. Perhaps the latter is bolded because the Benton Township page is a redirect from Millburg, Michigan, while Concord, Ohio redirects to the disamb page Concord Township, Ohio. If that's the case, I'll create a new disambiguation page for "Concord, Ohio" because, according to GNIS, there are four Concords in Ohio, in addition to the seven townships, and IIRC one is incorporated. Update: None are [9][10][11][12] (the closest one to that status is in Lake County; it's in an urban township)

"Hambden", then, in Hambden Township, Geauga County, Ohio, should still be bold. So what's the standard? (Let me know, because I was about to do the same for "Plymouth" and "Plymouth Center" in Plymouth Township, Ashtabula County, Ohio.) Mapsax (talk) 19:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's true that "xxx Township" without "Township" is common (since moving to the state in 1987, I've only lived in Lake and Portage Counties, plus the dorms at Cedar Point in the WR Firelands). "Concord, Ohio" in particular is becoming quite common in ads and other media references: One of the hospitals to open there calls itself "University Hospitals Concord Health Center", and the locator map of the system of the other to open soon labels "Concord". Even the official township site refers to itself, at least of right now, as "Concord": "Mosquito Spray Schedule for Concord: DATE PENDING..."

I do, though, disagree that Michigan and Ohio have different styles of general civil townships (excepting "charter" in Michigan and "urban" in Ohio); both are unincorporated divisions of counties which depend on the respective county for many services rather than itself. Mapsax (talk) 21:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Reginald L Hine

Thank you for deleting this page I created without sending me a message, great! (Note the sarcasm) And Archive your talk page.--Frank Fontaine (talk) 20:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh sorry, should have known i was dealing with an idiot after seeing "conservative Christian" in your user page. "Love thy neighbor?" MUST BE A TYPO!!!--Frank Fontaine (talk) 20:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I don’t follow the ten commandments. I am not a Christian. And never was. And I will never take a man who voted for George W Bush seriously. Ever. Unless you didn’t. And calling me a Thief is completely out of order. --Frank Fontaine (talk) 20:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

http://media.photobucket.com/image/jesus%20love%20you%20but%20i%20think%20your%20a%20cunt/mozzarelli/jesus-loves-u.gif Just for you my backwards freind. --Frank Fontaine (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm just humoring you, aren’t we Jews meant to be funny? But about the (C) thing, your right. I back down. --Frank Fontaine (talk) 20:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

What about that Archive then? --Frank Fontaine (talk) 21:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Krishna Gokani

Because we have an article on Hamari Devrani. Incerdently redirects are not normaly subject to A1.©Geni 20:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The "Warning: The page you are about to delete has a history" on the deletion page should have warned you that there was more than the current version in the deletion history.©Geni 20:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

In theory at least things are only subject to speedy deletion if everything in the revision history qualifies for deletion.©Geni 20:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

RPCI

Nope, never even heard of it until half an hour ago and decided to put it up for the sake of completeness. ;) Eachtrannach (talk) 21:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Traxler Mansion

I removed the image reference to Traxler Mansion because it was somehow not appearing on the page - red text instead of image. I just edited again and the image is there. Must have been gremlins at work before. Greg Hume (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Red Dog Mine

I see you have restored the census data. I suppose that is a good idea for consistancy, however bad an idea it is for having an article with information that will not mislead the reader.

It looks like you have quite a battle on your hand, keeping Wikipedia consistent on CDP's in the face of contributors like me who know, in local instances, that the census data is utter nonsense. After all how many other CDP's report 0 households, 0 families, and 0 housing units?

Is it OK if I change the phrasing a little, maybe "According to" instead of "As of" at the beginning of the section?

Cheers, keep up the good work.CGX (talk) 00:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi Nytend -

Your right and my apologies, don't know what I was thinking. Your edit was 13 months old! The reason I think what I do is because I was there when the CDP didn't exist, and the area of the future CDP was nothing but tundra with geologists and drillers camped in tents. And I have been connected to the place ever since. But I do understand and support the restriction on original research.

Yes, those 32 people in 2000 did stay in the PAC at the mine during their 2-week or 4-week work shifts, but they didn't actually "live" there anymore than the other 400 people working at the mine. It just bugs me because the 32 number presents such a distorted view of the real situation.

I do believe that the Census Bureau counted 32 people in the CDP in 2000. But I also don't want to mistake the map for the terrain. Thats why I wouldn't have a problem with a statement such as the "Census reports" - thats the map - and the terrain is the actual situation on the ground. The census bureau itself doesn't think that it it is counting with 100% accuracy. I'll just have to get over it. Again, sorry to resurrect this old dead dog and I hope I haven't been rude. CGX (talk) 06:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply: Hungarian theatre

Thank you very much for your great helpfullness! I did not expect anyone to do that. I am glad to know which actor and actress is considered the first stars of the Hungarian national theatre - it is always best to ask someone native to that country. Though perhaps I was not very clear when I made my question...My question was not about the first National theatre, but rather the first proffessional theatre, even if it was not counted as a national stage. One link (it was blocked by your page, so I had to remove it) claim it to be the Red Hedgehoge House, connected to the castle in Budapest in 1760. This link [[13]], on the other hand, claim that the first Hungarian theatre company was formed in 1790, and that a Hungarian theatre was formed in Koloszvar in 1792. I would like to have that verified and clearified: if the first theatre was founded in 1760 but the first Hungarian actors only appeared in 1790, was it perhaps only foreign actors that performed in 1760? If so, can I have the names of the most well known actor and actress of the 1760, as well as from the native 1790 actors? I can't ask you to post these questions, but if you would, I would be most grateful. Regards--Aciram (talk) 12:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

New message waiting you at your huwiki talkpage

Here. :) Bennó (talk) 15:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Covered bridge refs

I sent you photos of the relevant pages - let me know if you got them or have other questions. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Glad you got them - I had emailed you before in Gmail and used your address there (and attached the files in Gmail). The full bibliographic details for the Zacher and Evans books are in Cogan House Covered Bridge (I think). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 23:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Honokaa, Hawaii

Hi Nyttend, you reverted my edits in the article Honokaa, Hawaii, which I made referring to the consensus apparently reached on the talk page, because there was no argument against the application of the respective manual of style. I understand, that the title of the article refers to the CDP, but in my view the content covers a much wider perspective including history and culture. Therefore I want to invite you to discuss these aspects on the talk page. Best --ThT (talk) 00:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

NRHP in Kansas

Thanks for the compliment on the Chase County Courthouse photo. I've got 2 more days in Kansas so I'll try to get some photos of the NRHP in Kansas. - Ichabod (talk) 17:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately I did not get a photo the old brick building in Greensburg. I think I saw it. It appeared to have been rebuilt with the north wall the only thing left. It was simply amazing to see the massive destruction a full 2 years later in Greensburg from the tornado. BTW great photo of Dodge City I instantly recognized it when I entered Dodge City. - Ichabod (talk) 02:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

List Numbers

Thanks for cleaning up after me yesterday -- I just wasn't paying attention -- next time I'll do it myself. Question -- how did you do it?

I'd do the addition by copying the whole list into Excel, adding a serial number column, resort to get all the number lines in order, add the appropriate line at the appropriate place (Adjusting the serial numbers appropriately), resort back into original order, stripping the serial number column, and paste back into the edit box -- The removal is much the same, deleting a new line instead of adding it. Is there a better way? Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 12:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Starksboro Notables

I have to question your editing of the Notable people section of Starksboro, VT. Just because you have not heard of a person, does not make them non-notable. I would agrue to no end on at least David Stoney Mason, he is known nationwide (albeit scatteredly) for his stone walls and has done on at the White House, if that is not worthy of being included then there is something wrong with the required level and I would question if Lindy Kelley qualifies since she may have been on the US Ski team, but she never got to race in the bigger competitions as basically an backup.Gloern (talk)

SR Hall

Actually you pointed out that the documentation wasn't really that clear. Anyway, a reader shouldn't have to go all over the place to find a connection IMO. As a result, I clearly documented it in his article, which was missing before. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 14:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Raymond Leslie Morris

I thought you might like to take a look at Raymond Leslie Morris again per your comments in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raymond Leslie Morris regarding the lack of references. Thanks! Location (talk) 18:31, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you?

In the page National Register of Historic Places listings in Jefferson County, Ohio you appear to have made a revision as of 21:53, 3 August 2009 by adding text and citations to the list. One of those citations is causing a cite error. Could you please go back and fill out the full source information for the reference tag <ref name=location />? Thanks. 75.69.0.58 (talk) 04:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

NRHP district auto-categorization

hello,

I finally started work on the NRHP bot. It's not that difficult of a task, so I should get the code done by the end of the weekend if things go well.

I am writing, because I have already hit the first bump. How should the bot handle an article like Cobble Hill Tunnel. The article has the inbox template, presumably because the tunnel is part of the district, but the district isn't actually the subject of the article. Cobble Hill Historic District is currently a red link, but List of New York City Designated Landmarks in Brooklyn#Historic Districts pipe links Cobble Hill Historic District to Cobble Hill, Brooklyn (which doesn't actually have the template at all.)

So basically the question is should the bot just indiscriminately add a HD category when the template is present or should it make sure the HD mentioned in template is actually the subject of the article? --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

A couple more Qs:

Do you want me to check for a "hd"/"nhld" match "nrhp_type2" etc. or just "nrhp_type"?
I was thinking I could determine the state in most cases by pulling "locmapin" and "location", with the article text as backup if those are blank. Do you think that is wise, or should I rely only on the article text?
Do you have one or more example of districts that cross state lines so I determine how to make sure those don't accidentally get added to a state?

Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 03:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Code is basically done & tested, but I have one final question. If something is already manually categorized into Category:Historic districts in the United States the bot will currently skip it. I could change it to strip that category & reclassify into a state if you want. (Not sure how many, if any, pages this actually affects.) Let me know, ThaddeusB (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

BRFA filed: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/The Auto-categorizing Robot --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

In particular, let me know if you have any comments about how to make the bot's log more useful to you/the WikiProject. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Sunnybrook

Hey Nyttend...you were in Kent today and didn't tell me?!? Hope you had a good visit. The weather was excellent for taking pics as I was taking some around town myself. To answer your question, it is one word: Sunnybrook. I'm sure it used to be two words, but all the street signs and local maps have it as "Sunnybrook Rd." --JonRidinger (talk) 04:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello again...I have some presents for you, all from what I called a "Wikipedia picture excursion" today:

I will try to place these in the appropriate places soon; probably tonight unless you just can't resist. I noticed I had parts of the other Riddle Blocks in some other pictures I took earlier in Ravenna, but still will need to go back and get some better ones soon (like tomorrow). I guess this is one of the small silver linings being between jobs. Oh well! --JonRidinger (talk) 00:36, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Opinion

Hey thanks for the message. I will see what I can do. Hiram isn't that far, so I could probably swing a trip up there. I did want to ask you about the measurement converter templates. An anonymous editor keeps removing the template from the Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio) article, first claiming "in America we use acres" and now claiming "not all english readers use acres or hectares." I've undone it twice already. Is it worth keeping? Is there another measurement that should be used instead of hectares with acres? I like having the converter there and hectares was what I saw most commonly in other articles along with acres. What I said can be found at User talk:131.123.65.154. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks as always for your input. It helps just so that some of these well-meaning editors see I'm not just being territorial :). I figured hectares was the most common and was probably metric, but wasn't as familiar until I read the article hectares. I undid it again as part of another edit, so I'm at my 3RR limit! --JonRidinger (talk) 05:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Another question

I did want to ask if the picture for the Benjamin F. Hopkins Stone Building on the National Register of Historic Places listings in Portage County, Ohio was showing up as the current picture (the empty lot) or the old picture, which was actually a mausoleum at the same cemetery. It's showing up as the original picture on both my desktop and laptop computers, despite not having been reverted at the Commons. Is it showing up that way for you? The file is File:Hopkins Stone Building.jpg. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Weird it's like the Commons reverted it by itself. What's weird is that on my Image gallery page at User:JonRidinger/Images, if you scroll down in the Kent Ohio section to the 8th row down, the current version (empty site) is visible. When you click on it, the old version shows. I think I'm going to just upload the picture again with a slightly different name like Hopkins Building site or something. --JonRidinger (talk) 06:03, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Barton, VT

Honestly not to be a jerk, but are you going to add state senators and associate judges to all of the Vermont towns? What about current state senators? State reps? There are currently only two VT state treasurers with articles - Douglas and Spaulding. These just seems all a bit low level for notability? Also I think it's Willard Miles, not William, according to your source. H0n0r (talk) 12:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining that, and no worries, I'm not going to take them out again. Barton, the article, does seem a bit bloated for such a small town, but perhaps it's just showing me what potential all town articles hold? Keep up the good work. H0n0r (talk) 00:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Cimarron Redoubt

On September 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cimarron Redoubt, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 13:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Tampa4u.com

I thought I had gone nuts. Yesterday I found 1,200 links, but couldn't find the source, and today they were mostly gone. The IPs are back at it again today with misleading descriptions (one had been warned yesterday), but since you gave them a final warning yesterday, I'm not sure what you want to do. I did remove the links, ~~but haven't placed warnings.~~ and they had been warned: User talk:173.65.245.76,User talk:75.249.25.75 and User talk:65.32.109.49. Flowanda | Talk 20:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe a low-end spammer getting paid only for links that stick, or a competitor looking to get it blacklisted: [[14]]. Flowanda | Talk 21:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Template help

Not sure if you could help me, but I'm working a couple of Census citation templates in my sandbox. I had originally created Template:American Factfinder and Template:Cite American Factfinder to allow for direct links to detailed demographic information about geographical places such as cities, towns, townships, counties, etc, rather than a general link to the main factfinder page. My two new templates would replace these existing templates with simplified code. The original templates required three separate templates for general, social, and economic data. The new one I'm working on will call a PDF from http://censtats.census.gov/ that includes all three, so you don't need separate citations. The templates seem to work just fine, and with a few minor changes to the handful of articles that currently call "Cite American Factfinder" there shouldn't be any broken links. I had to add a "ifeq" paramater to continue allowing for "Age and Sex" demographic table (males per 100 females data, etc) since that table is not included in the censtats PDF. The templates in question are User:Dcmacnut/DCTemplates2 (main URL generator) and User:Dcmacnut/DCTemplates3 (citation template)

Both templates work as expected and are a lot simpler. For example for Bismarck, North Dakota you'd get the following.

U.S. Census Bureau. Census 2000. "Census Demographic Profiles, Bismarck, North Dakota" (PDF). CenStats Databases. <http://censtats.census.gov/data/>. Retrieved 2009-01-31. {{cite web}}: External link in |work= (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

However, I am unable to manually pipe the URLs by putting [] brackets around the URL template, similar to how you use Template:Gnis3. Instead I get this: [15]. I could force the brackets into the main template, but then it would break the URL/title display in the cite template, or I could make Age and Sex it's own template, but that defeats the purpose of simplification. Any suggestions or know of someone well verse in template syntax that could help me?DCmacnut <> 20:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Deleted image

Hello. I am not sure if it was you, but someone has deleted File:State senate districts.gif. I was curious if you would be able to un-delete it? The image was not a copyright violation, it was copied from a state of Indiana website. The copyright template on it was probably just incorrect. I have been trying to replace them as I come across them. The state of Indiana does hold copyright to all of its works, but they are released to the public to be used freely.

Indiana Code 5-13-3 says that public records, defined as "... any writing, paper, report, study, map, photograph, book, card, tape recording, or other material that is created, received, retained, maintained, or filed by or with a public agency and which is generated on paper, paper substitutes, photographic media, chemically based media, magnetic or machine readable media, electronically stored data, or any other material, regardless of form or characteristics." Public agency is defined as, "Any board, commission, department, division, bureau, committee, agency, office, instrumentality, or authority, by whatever name designated, exercising any part of the executive, administrative, judicial, or legislative power of the state." And as such, this image is a public record. "Any person may inspect and copy the public records of any public agency during the regular business hours of the agency" and "In the case of electronically stored data, [the public is allowed] to manually transcribe and make notes, abstracts, or memoranda or to duplicate the data onto a disk, tape, drum, or any other medium of electronic storage." Broadly interpreted, except for a few exceptions in Indiana Code 5-13-3-4, any product of the state is freely available for use. I have been using a {{pd-because|As a public record of Indiana, the state of Indiana has released it for public use under [[Indiana Code]] [http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title5/ar14/ch3.html Indiana Code 5-13-3]}}

Thanks for all the cleanup work you are doing on Indiana article lately also. It is much appreicated. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 20:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Settlement Name

Sorry about the changes from Town, Arizona to Town as the name of ghost towns in Arizona. I was looking through ghost towns from other states, and noticed that I seemed to be the only person including the state in the infobox name (see Home of Truth, Utah as one of many examples). Then I checked the template itself, and saw an example for Detroit that omitted Michigan. I just assumed I was doing something wrong, which is why I changed my previous edits. Thanks for the head's up. I'll keep the state name in my entries going forward. -- Transity^{(talk • contribs)} 15:35, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Spam, glorious spam

FYI, sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm certain the talk page use wasn't spam, but the URL itself has been spammed by someone probably affiliated with the site. (They were also spamming a different site that resolved to the same IP address.) Apologies if you thought I was suggesting otherwise. --Ckatz^chat_spy 20:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Help with vandalism

May I ask for your advice and help with a vandalism situation on some Denver pages? The situation is this: someone adds bogus statistical data to articles for Denver neighborhoods. The data purports to state the number or percentage of Latinos in the neibhborhood or city. Often the person tries to associate the poor social conditions of the neighborhood with the so-called high percentage of latinos in the neighborhood. The person doesn't have an account but uses several IP addresses. He somehow adds new IP addresses often. My reverts have been quickly re-reverted. He often makes two or three changes at a time. Here are some examples of the vandalized pages: Barnum, Denver‎, Valverde, Denver‎, West Colfax, Denver‎, Lincoln Park, Denver‎, Edgewater, Colorado‎ (an edit war has been occuring here for months), North Capitol Hill, Denver‎, Berkeley, Denver‎, and Jefferson Park, Denver‎. These are only the pages I know about; I imagine there are many more. The vandal is clever, perseverant, and malevolent. He often adds his bogus statements right before ref tags, giving the impression that his new statement is the one backed up by the reference. Thanks. Denverjeffrey (talk) 00:52, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

After seeing this message (because I have this page watchlisted), I short-term semi-protected several of these articles. --Orlady (talk) 01:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I had blocked the primary culprit last week and it hasn't vandalized since, from that IP or from another. I also just reverted two uncaught edits of his/hers. Enigma^msg 19:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Template Help 2

Thanks for forwarding my previous help request to the Help Desk. I was able to resolve the coding issue on my own. I've completed my update to {{American Factfinder}} and {{Cite American Factfinder}}. It's a lot simpler now. The old version is at {{American Factfinder3}} and {{Cite American Factfinder3}}.

The new template provides a one-link reference to 4 types of Census demographic data. It's better than the old one, where you needed 3 different refs for population, social data, and economic data. They're all in one link now, which can be a named ref in the articles. I had to keep the old version, though, and renumbered it as "3", because there are some state locations without PDFs, and some census data , like age and ancestry, is only avaialble through American Factfinder. Also, there may be some instances where you only want to link to one table rather than the entire dataset. Would appreciate your thoughts.DCmacnut <> 20:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Blue Hills Places

The Comfort Station in Milton, MA. Thanks for fixing that. Somehow I got to Comfort station and thought that it was the link in the NRHP site article. Instead I should have moved Comfort Station to Comfort Station (Milton, Massachusetts), which I will do when I upgrade the article, God willing, fairly soon.
Refreshment Pavillion (Milton, Massachusetts). I'd like to move this to the correct spelling, but I note your previous objection. Since you're one of the senior NRHP gurus, I plead the case that it's clear to me that it was just bad spelling. The Nomination Form, on page 3 says, "In quick succession during the years from 1899 to 1916 they built a "sanitary," a picnic pavillion, a park headquarters and stable, and a caretaker's house." ("they" was the architectural firm of Stickney and Austin") Since "pavillion" appears here not as "refreshment pavillion", the name actually given in the nomination, but as "picnic pavillion", I'm convinced that it's just a case of the nomination writer consistently misspelling it. That's not hard to do -- I had to look it up to make sure, and note that the French has two ells.
I thought I had gotten the changes to National Register of Historic Places listings in Milton, Massachusetts and in Norfolk County right -- thanks once again for cleanup. I note your removing "link=off" and the extra zero in single digit dates. Am I correct in assuming that that is just cleanup of redundant characters, as it doesn't change the displayed text? . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 12:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for #2 -- We had an edit conflict on NRHP Norfolk County as I was adding three images for the articles I've just upgraded (not much to say in two cases). You and Doncram disagree about article titles --he and I think "Refreshment Pavilion" and "Comfort Station" are too generic, notwithstanding the fact that there aren't any other articles with that title. Thoughts?

Question. As I work through Milton, taking photos, there are seven Historic Districts. Do you have any words of wisdom as to the best way to illustrate a roadway, for example, in one photo? Also, do I wait for the bleak mid-winter, when you can see things, or shoot this month, with fall foliage on the trees, but the leaves blocking a view of anything but asphalt and leaves? Some examples of Historic District illustrations you like?

Thanks, . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 13:57, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

We seem to have fallen into the alternate page talking mode, so I'm back here... No problem, I understood that we were out of sync when you responded to half. Doncram's comments were higher up on my talk page at User talk:Jameslwoodward#NRHP listing info-- I should add that as I look back at it, I may have been a little unfair in characterizing his comment -- he thought it was a good idea, but not necessarily high priority. Thanks for the links to Photos... . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 14:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know too much of photography :-) ?? Tack sharp from close to far, well composed, exposure dead on despite great range of light..... . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 16:18, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I did notice the tilt, that's easy to fix. If you like it straight, delete the first, if not, delete mine. Figuring out the upload of a derivative work took much longer than rotating the image 0.75 degrees.

Actually, now I'm a little embarrassed -- after I uploaded the revised image, I looked at your Commons log. Seems a little presumptuous of me to make a correction on an image from someone who has done thousands of them. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 18:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

As a conservative Christian…

What do you think about Conservapedia? Frankly it sickens me. --Frank Fontaine (talk) 18:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Denver

I think the problem with the vandalism on the various Denver sites is stopped; thanks for your help. I fully expect it to start again and will be vigilant. Library school? Sounds great! Let me know if I can help in any way. I hope to begin taking pictures again soon; I took a vacation and have been busy with work. Cheers, Denverjeffrey (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Re: Lebo, Kansas

I suppressed the two edits. Kept the third deleted because there wasn't personal info in the article, it was just a revert of such. Wizardman 14:22, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Template:NRHP in Guernsey County, Ohio

I thank you for helping me sort out this property list, it all started looking Greek to me, but i couldn't help but notice that the S Bridge was removed. It is listed as a NHL, but I feel it should be included in the same box as the NRHP listings. Could you possibly assist in this selection, since I don't know if there should be a new listing, or if it can slide under the

Mount Jefferson (Ohio)

If you're interested, I got a reply from the GNIS folks, who fixed the error and removed the summit named Mount Jefferson from the database.

"It appears to have been an error in Feature Class selection initially, and later when it was discovered there was no entry for the community that entry was added when the one classified as summit was likely intended as the entry for the community initially."

--NE2 08:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on place names

This applies to neighborhoods only, so your interest may be peripheral. It seemed to me that it could affect Vermont naming, as well, but I could be wrong. Originally I came down on the side of long names, allied as I was with the original editor who tried to enforce it! This may have backfired on me! Rfc on naming conventions Student7 (talk) 12:08, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Roswell and Elizabeth Garst Farmstead Historic District

On September 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Roswell and Elizabeth Garst Farmstead Historic District, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

WP:DYK 12:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

It looked good in the 2nd DYK slot on the mainpage, yesterday! Thanks for your help. doncram (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Makerbot

When people put a hangon tag up, why don't you give them more than 7 minutes to work on it when they ask for an hour? This is not the way to treat newbies. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

See my talk page. — Rlevse • Talk • 09:52, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

MakerBot 2

Hi, thanks for your help tonight. (No, I'm not being sarcastic. I thought you were mistaken in the speedy deletion, but it's good that people are keeping an eye on things!)

This looks helpful if you are interested in helping to improve the article - and thanks again for your help so far!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:51, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...

Stalk Jimbo, find out what articles he's interested in
Delete them
Receive attaboy on talk page

Nyttend, you brilliant devil! ;-) Melchoir (talk) 03:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Perry Park, Kentucky

Greetings-I hope you are doing well. Question: Is Perry Park, Kentucky a city or unincorporated community? The article mentions it being an unincorporated community but the Owen County, Kentucky template that I added to the article mentions it is a city. A little confusing. Thanks-RFD (talk) 13:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks-RFD (talk) 13:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Charles River Reservation Parkways

Soldiers Field Road is in Allston (Boston), so it need to go there, too. I'll add it to Boston, unless you're doing it as we speak. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 14:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/The Auto-categorizing Robot

Hey Nyttend, if you have the time, could you please take a look at User:The Auto-categorizing Robot/Logs/NRHP 1, and confirm that the bot is doing what you want? The edits look good to me, but you will likely be more familiar with the task. Thanks - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 05:01, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Broken pages

User:Nyttend/County templates/CA/1
User:Nyttend/County templates/GA/2
User:Nyttend/County templates/IA
User:Nyttend/County templates/IL/1
User:Nyttend/County templates/KS/1
User:Nyttend/County templates/VA

The above pages are in Category:Pages_where_template_include_size_is_exceeded, could you please fix them up? Rich Farmbrough, 23:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC).

I think the limit on transcluded page size is relatively recent. Rich Farmbrough, 01:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC).