Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Léonor Graser

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Léonor Graser

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This person, at present, lacks notability in her native country. Her entry at the French wikipedia has been unanimously voted for deletion. It appears that it had a mainly promotional content. Her mother is vaguely - and I do mean vaguely - notable in France (though the opportunity of her article on the english wikipedia is debatable) and her two half-sisters Maïwenn and Isild Le Besco are definitely notable. However, having notable relatives, and playing minor parts in movies directed by them, does not make one notable per se. Please take note that the "awards" listed on her page were given to the films she took part in and not to her personnally as a performer, scriptwriter, director, or anything else.

So far, Léonor Graser has not become notable as an academic either (as her professional activity seems to be as a lecturer at University of Paris III: Sorbonne Nouvelle and not as an actress).

The case of her brother Kolia Litscher is somewhat similar.

Also take note that the Maïwenn and Catherine Belkhodja articles have been protected on the french wikipedia due to what appeared to be a conflict of interest (apparently coming from the same user and not on Maïwenn's part). There does seem to be such a conflict on the english wikipedia, though not on the same scale.

Delete. See above. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 09:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC) (Nominator)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Projet: Cinéma has been notified on the French Wikipedia. Comte0 (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. You could also ask the question at fr:Discussion_Portail:Cinéma français. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 13:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We really do not worry here whether or not the fr.Wikipedia has article on subjects or not, as they are far smaller than en.Wikipedia and do not use the same inclusion criteria as do we. And the article that was deleted from fr.Wikipedia seems to have been done through some varient of WP:PROF [1] but NOT ours. As the article HERE asserts this person as a French actress, scriptwriter and film director, we can disregard an inapplicable WP:PROF and instead look to available sources to see if our WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACTOR or WP:CREATIVE can be met through body of work, coverage of those works, or awards won. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 03:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She is referenced in a database as an actress because she did appear in a few movies. But actually, three of her five movies were either starring or directed by her sister, and she played only minor parts in them. She did work as a casting director and score composer for the film directed by her sister. She played a minor part in another feature film, and what appears to be a major role in a short. If I am to believe her english-language article, she did direct a short film herself (year unknown). None of this seems to satisfy the notability criteria. I have failed to find any trace of her in any french talent agency (not that it means anything).

I may add that the french article presented her as an academic and actress. She does seem to have graduated as an academic and is apparently now working at the Sorbonne and not in film so all that I can assume is that she worked in a few films, mainly with her family, whilst pursuing her studies. However, she has not achieved so far any particular notability in either field (though she may one day). I can guarantee you that so far, in her native France, she is so far an unknown. Having two notable sisters and a semi-notable mother does not make one notable. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 08:43, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 15:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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