Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marlon (footballer, born 1995)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Clog Wolf _Howl 07:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Marlon (footballer, born 1995)

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Created by virtue of playing in the USL Championship, thus passing the former WP:NFOOTY. I can't find any indication that he passes WP:GNG, with the closest thing being this by his current club Birmingham Legion FC, which is PRIMARY though. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Brazil. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think there's just enough coverage to meet GNG. Giant Snowman 07:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - found and added new sources. Seems to meet GNG. Pinging @GiantSnowman:, as requested above. RedPatch (talk) 22:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sources are database websites (Soccerway), primary (club websites), interviews, and routine transfer news. I don't think it's enough, and I've seen many other articles deleted with similary sourcing. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 23:00, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like that's the majority of football player articles that will be written and sourced such as that though (transfer news articles that summarize their career/key match performances in articles about the match, and player interview articles). The sources in this article are not all are primary, there are multiple secondary ones, plus there are no database/soccerway sourcing in this article. Even the other Marlon Santos article, despite having played in Serie A and Ligue 1, still only has that same type of sourcing (transfer news and primary articles sourced in his article) and is written in the exact same form as this article is, as are the majority of basic football articles (basically unless a player is super elite, transfer articles will be the main articles about them, supplemented by game articles/year end team articles). My rule of thumb has always been if their transfers are covered in non-primary sources (with a decent enough amount of detail) such as [1], [2], [3], [4] then it's good. If it's primary team sites only I say noRedPatch (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the other Marlon's page is more or less to the same standard as this one's. However, there are many more in-depth sources online which are not being used, such as [5] and [6]. I don't see sources such as these in this article. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 00:04, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That first one is definitely more detailed. GNG is pretty subjective anyways, so what meets it for one isn't necessarily enough for another. While there weren't really any "Outstanding" sources, I feel there were enough Okay-Good sources to meet it. It wasn't really a struggle for me to find sources to make it a decent Start article, sometimes it's a lot more difficult for me to find them. Feel there might be a more sources in Portuguese too that didn't pop up in an English google search. RedPatch (talk) 03:33, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that consensus in this deletion discussion will be useful for me to understand where the limit of passing GNG lies. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - there are several sources which are good, including this and this. Meets WP:BASIC. "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." Samanthany (talk) 01:15, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first source just says that he scored a goal, nothing more than that. The second is ok-ish, but it's far from substantial. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 01:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Passes GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Besides the sources above, I found another source about him right away, 5, among many many other sources from various websites. In addition, he is a fully pro player with an ongoing career. I look at the other Sports WikiProjects and they don't nearly have an article deleted per day, let alone 10. By the time I finish writing this, another ten will probably be deleted. Article may need improvement, but definitely not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 15:38, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I'm not sure at what point the article passed the GNG threshold (it has gone from 3 citations at the time of nomination to 18 at present) but it does now. St Anselm (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes GNG after recent adjustments.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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