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Kamil Białas

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lakhan Rawat

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The same reason applies as it did for Lakhan Singh (cricketer). I do not believe the subject meets the WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) available about the subject's career as a cricketer, which directly fails the WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the article's creator is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 11:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lack of SIGCOV couldn't warrant a standalone article. Garudam ^Talk! 13:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicola Guglielmelli

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This has to be the shortest nomination in an AfD I've seen, but it does the job: the article presents nothing to pass WP:GNG and neither does a search. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marius Curteanu

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I did my very best but I cannot find substantive coverage in independent sources. Fails wp:gng Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 22:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I looked too. The article's claims do not seem backed up by reliable sources, and without sources it's unclear whether some of these are things done by him, or his students. Also the few references there are don't exactly back up the claims, like the Wikipedia article says he won the 1989 Baltic Games, but the reference says he placed sixth. --Here2rewrite (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Helene Pellicano

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Shrug02 (talk) 23:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets GNG thanks to coverage in major Malta sources such as [1] [2] [3] [4] (Times of Malta) and [5] (Malta Independent). Iffy★Chat -- 10:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Ramírez (footballer, born 1993)

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Notability is questionable but worth discussing. I'm struggling to find anything else than databases, primary sources and match reports - which is the case in the Spanish Wikipedia too. He is certainly not an accomplished footballer, having represented two elite clubs, and playing 70 minutes in the cup and 139 minutes in the league for these two clubs respectively. I did find a piece about him being champion of Belize, though the league of Belize is very, very low-ranking. I am open to suggestions about more coverage. Geschichte (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Sparidaans

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Could find no sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - a great deal of coverage in Dutch-language media (Omroep Brabant, Brabants Dagblad, Eindhovens Dagblad, Algemeen Dagblad). Additionally, coverage available in darts media sources (Darts News, Darts King and Darts Actueel) signifying he's a notable figure in darts. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rizal Barellano

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks significant success in the sport. Google Books - 1 result, only a mention. Google Search - less than 80 results, not prominent. 12 results in Google News, the only one that went beyond a mention was: The first one in 2008 was Rizal Barellano, who was eliminated in the preliminary round by Miloslac Navratil and of whom you never heard again ... Rizal Barellano, born 1965, reached 2006 the quarterfinals of the Asia Pacific Cup and was the first Philippine player invited to the PDC World Championship. It doesn't look he is still playing. Still nothing much. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find no independent significant coverage. Web searches came up with the standard mastercaller and PDC website stuff, but those can't be used towards notability as they are sports statistics tables. He doesn't in any of the darts reference books. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. AstrooKai (Talk) 10:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sven Groen

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Gets a brief mention in Chaplin's book Darts: Skills - Tactics - Techniques, but not enough to count toward WP:SIGCOV. Otherwise I couldn't find any independent WP:RS. There is a lot more coverage of a politician named Sven Groen, but that is a different person. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 17:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lakhan Singh (cricketer)

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I don’t believe the subject meets WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage available about the subject as a cricketer, which directly fails WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the creator of the article is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 13:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I could find no significant coverage. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 16:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There's little to none SIGCOV to be found. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails notability and significant coverage criterias.
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Reece Robinson (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I found some passing coverage in darts books by Patrick Chaplin and Nigel Boeg but not anything that could be considered in-depth. Otherwise that is all I found. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vic Hubbard

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks success in the sport. Only around 100 Google Search results. Only one Google News result. Google Books only produces false positives. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. All the sources I could find were on a different Vic Hubbard who was a race car driver. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Deley

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks significant success in the sport. Not prominent - less than 60 Google Search results, zero Google Books results, then there are 13 Google News results but all 13 are mentions and not WP:SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is some coverage of Deley in The John Lowe Story: Inside Pro Darts with the World Champion, but this is only one source and its an autobiography so it arguably is not independent. Otherwise I couldn't find anything. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vittorio Zoboli

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Delete - my WP:BEFORE turned up a number of listings/database type sites, but no substantial secondary sources to really establish the subject's notability with respect to WP:NMOTORSPORT in my view. The article has been without citations for a long time - I did find a reasonable primary source for the Subject's Formula 4 championship win, which I have added, but I don't think that this is sufficient for notability. That said, I would happily defer to WP:MOTORSPORTS for their more expert opinion. SunloungerFrog (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is presented in (truly) non-encyclopaedic style but Zoboli is notable. He ticks WP:NMOTORSPORT having driven full seasons of top-level F1 feeder series (Formula 3000) and has twice competed in non-championship Formula One events – even finishing 3rd at the 1993 Formula One Indoor Trophy. Sparse internet coverage on a driver whose career spanned between 1988 and 2006 hardly surprises me – more thorough coverage is likely to exist elsewhere. MSport1005 (talk) 13:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with MSport1005 that coverage here is going to be in offline in books, magazines, etc. I can see a bunch of coverage in snippet view in google books which leads me to this conclusion. In this case we should follow WP:NMOTORSPORT.4meter4 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is going to be a nitpicky point, for which apologies in advance, but WP:NMOTORSPORT #2 says "A driver or rider who has competed for at least one full season in ... a top-level feeder series to Formula One." I note, and I am going on the 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 articles, that none of his seasons were full seasons. That is, in all of them he missed at least one race. Also that WP:NMOTORSPORT #1 specifies Formula One Championship races. That said, I am content enough to go with keep, though the quality of the article is poor. The one reference I was able to find, for the F4 win, contradicted the year that was originally in the article, which doesn't give me a warm feeling that the rest of it is in good shape at all. I would try and edit myself, but I am certainly not at all well-versed in the field. SunloungerFrog (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Fieber (footballer, born 1989)

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According to Soccerway, he only played 19 matches at professional level before moving to lower leagues then disappeared. The sources provided are either passing mentions and transfer announcements. Being the son of a former footballer, notability is not inherited from relatives. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No significant coverage on this player. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As long as it's verifiable, which it is, I think two-three sentences should be 'merged and redirected to Peter Fieber. The reason is that it would be bad to not mention the son at the father's page. Geschichte (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 14:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Lalli

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this former lacrosse player. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were passing mentions (1, 2, 3, etc.) JTtheOG (talk) 00:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I know nothing about this sport but here are some more sources: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. I'll let others decide whether these count towards notability or not. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and thank you for your response. The first two are passing mentions and thus not significant coverage, while the next three are not independent of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 01:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The coverage in the article combined with the more than 100 sources covering him via Newspapers.com demonstrate that the notability standard is met as a professional athlete playing at the top level of his sport. Alansohn (talk) 03:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share any SIGCOV you might be able to find. JTtheOG (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Megan Gilkes

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Inactive racing driver with no notable success outside entry-level categories, failing WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. Sources are routine (Formula Scout), primary (GB3 Championship, Formula One Management on behalf of F1 Academy), or dubious hobbyists (Cars Yeah, Norris McDonald's Racing Review, Motorsport Prospects). MSportWiki (talk) 23:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It looks like she meets WP:SIGCOV/WP:SPORTSBASIC with the sources currently cited in the article... Not seeing how the nominator came to the conclusion that they are making about WP:GNG. @MSportWiki Could you please provide a source analysis through a WP:SIRS template to explain your thinking? Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 Gilkes has not achieved notable results in her field, in this case motorsport. Simply looking at the career summary, Formula Ford 1600 and 1200 drivers are not notable enough for a biographical article, and her results in somewhat notable series (F1 Academy and W Series) are also not good enough to warrant an article. Regarding sources;

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
W Series profile	Y	N	Y	N	N	Primary source.
Cars Yeah	N	Y	N	Y	N	Blog post.
DriveTribe	Y	?	?	Y	N	Social media platform.
Motorsport Prospects	N	Y	N	Y	N	Blog post.
Momentum Motorsport profile	Y	N	Y	N	N	Company-sponsored profile.
Formula Scout	?	Y	Y	Y	?	Formula Scout is a common source for entry-level motorsports championships, however none of the championships she has competed in meet the WP:NMOTORSPORT table of notability.
Canadian Automobile Sport Clubs – Ontario	N	?	?	N	N	Automobile club of which the subject is a member.
Formula One Management (F1 Academy)	Y	N	Y	N	N	Primary source.
Racers - Behind the Helmet	?	Y	Y	Y	N	Somewhere between Formula Scout and a blog post.
GB3 Championship	N	N	Y	N	N	Primary source from a championship which does not meet the WP:NMOTORSPORT table of notability.
Norris McDonald's Racing Review	N	Y	N	Y	N	Blog post.
Total qualifying sources					0	There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements

MSportWiki (talk) 04:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete based on excellent analysis above. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 09:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For what it's worth, Gilkes is a race winner in W Series besides FFord and GB4. She's received decent attention (even post-retirement) in Canada ([11], [12], [13], [14]), been interviewed by Feeder Series ([15], [16]) and CBC Television ([17]), and DIVE-BOMB have covered her career in detail ([18]). Her W Series win was naturally reported by several big publications ([19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25]) and while his could fall under WP:ONEEVENT, the combination of the above takes it a long way – in fact I'd say she's received much more WP:SIGCOV than her brother Nick Gilkes. While we're at it, her photo needs updating as I am pretty sure that's Max Marzorati. MSport1005 (talk) 13:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cordially suggest you re-familiarise yourself with the notability guidelines for drivers at WP:NMOTORSPORT. Gilkes receiving SIGCOV for a non-championship race win in a fourth-tier feeder series category does not make her notable. Comparisons to her brother are WP:WHATABOUTISM. MSportWiki (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
W Series had audience and coverage far beyond its place in the ladder – and the relevance of a race isn't for us to judge. If it's WP:SIGCOV, it counts as WP:SIGCOV. MSport1005 (talk) 22:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per MSports1005. Article could be improved, but there seems to be significant coverage of her, and she completed a full season of F1A and (almost) a full season of W Series. Draftifying could work until article is improved, but a full deletion seems excessive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GalacticVelocity08 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tereza Bábíčková

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT having only contested seven professional-level races in a six-month span with a best finish of 12th, includes WP:FLUFF text about schools she attended and family businesses, sources are routine with half from the same site. Even if she returns to some level of professional racing, it would be at best WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. MSport1005 (talk) 12:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Noah ^💬 20:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Javier Giménez

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The claim to notability is weak (some would say there isn't even one at all) and I can find no WP:SPORTBASIC-worthy sources. I found ANFP and Soy Chile in my searches but these are far from good enough. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Schlossár

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Another long-time stub of a Slovak men's footballer named Martin without evidence of meeting WP:GNG. He spends most of his career in lower leagues and only played seven minutes in one match at a professional level so far. Regarding secondary sources, I only found SME where he is just mentioned in match result. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tengeg Neville

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Lacking significant coverage, does not meet WP:NSPORT. Frost 11:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is an outstanding football player in Cambodian Premier League as what I mentioned. The source I'd provided is reasonable or u need me to add more source to prevent from article deletion? Best regard! Iphone5Sgold (talk) 15:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please review references I just add. Thanks! Iphone5Sgold (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @GiantSnowman: as sources were added Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't see any significant coverage. Giant Snowman 16:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Volcanic Sports is a Blogspot source so it's not WP:RS. Kick442 mentions him scoring a goal but contains no significant coverage. The two Khmer Times articles are both trivial mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 00:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Héctor Pérez (footballer, born 1983)

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. First, a WP:BEFORE found no significant and independent coverage, only databases, namesakes and WP:PASSING mentions such as this, this and the ABC piece already in the article (which mentions him in a match lineup). Second, the international appearance for Paraguay seems false. According to NFT, the only Pérez who played that match was Hernán Pérez, a much more merited player, and think about it: why would Héctor Pérez represent Paraguay in 2011 when he has not been verified as having a club that year, playing once in 2010? Geschichte (talk) 08:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diego Gutiérrez (footballer, born 1993)

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Not possible to verify that this player played anywhere significant or meets WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Never played any games for Carolina Switchbacks. Geschichte (talk) 07:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Summers (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steve Douglas (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ray Farrell

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pip Blackwell

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Scott (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Islom Kenjaboev

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Tagged for this by others since September. Has no sources other than databases much less GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 22:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find no WP:RS.4meter4 (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brayan Velásquez

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There is nothing notable about playing 28 football games in the league of Honduras, and youth world cups do not grant notability either. This would need several good WP:SIGCOV pieces to even be considered as passing the notability bar. Geschichte (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC. Here are a few examples from the just the first couple pages in google news: [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33] There are more...4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above sources are transfer stories/match reports/interviews which are routine coverage and do not pass GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the match report on news media only focuses on a specific footballer and describes them in significant detail independently (that said, tiny piece of or without direct speech), would it still count towards GNG? I also was told that interview sources with big independent analysis would make the article pass GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenichi Nozawa

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG as only 19 of the games came in the J League system, namely Japan's third league. Japanese Wikipedia only has two sources, which are primary. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 16:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I notice there are 17 foreign language wiki pages. Do any of those have better sources than the English wiki page?4meter4 (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering most of them were created by the same 2-3 people, I doubt it. I had a look and the sources were basically the same. Procyon117 (talk) 12:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Mingyo

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No indication of notability for this athlete, other than amateur collegiate titles in a non-NCAA sport. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSCRIT: A search for (secondary) sources turns up nothing providing significant coverage of the athlete. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No significant independent coverage. Has earned zero points towards a world ranking and is currently ranked 24th in her division by USATKD. College level success means nothing in the martial arts (see WP:MANOTE). Papaursa (talk) 15:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Lekkha Moun (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald Porter

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT do not appear to be met. In general terms, the only sources I can find are directory-style entries like this (which appear to exist for every darts player that ever played in any tournament - and doesn't represent in-depth/biographical of the subject themselves). In terms of the "claims to notability" in the text (reputedly won the Irish Masters and Kent Masters in early 2000s), I can find no sources of any kind to support this. (When the article was created it seemed to be based entirely on a scan of one page of a brochure (a form of match program?) published by/for the organisers of the 2006 BDO World Darts Championship. Even if this program were still available (and it doesn't seem to be online or in any library anywhere), a directory-style entry in a single tournament program also likely wouldn't represent in-depth of significant coverage.) Note: While I'd personally like to be able to propose redirection (as WP:ATD-R), I cannot conceive of an appropriate target... Guliolopez (talk) 14:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerry Haywood

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darron Brown

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - After doing a search it appears that are a few sources that list him as a darts player and provide some stats but nothing to show notability or provide WP:SIGCOV. Grahaml35 (talk) 02:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no notable achievements nor significant coverage. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I see no real claim to notability here. Plasticwonder (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Gosling

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Paul Carter (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zulmarys Sánchez

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The article mentions Sanchez was a semi-finalist in the Olympics, but there's nothing that mentions winning a medal there. According to the categories, she did win a silver medal in the Pan American Games, but the ultimate issue is sourcing; I only found database results in the WP:BEFORE search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:SPORTSPERSON. Sánchez's silver medal at the 2007 Pan American Games can be confirmed here:[34]. It was in the women's K-4 500 metres canoeing category (Canoeing at the 2007 Pan American Games). Other examples of independent coverage include the following: [35][36][37]. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That guideline says Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. Where exactly is the significant coverage in any of those sources that you've linked? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree, the article was not ready at all shape. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article lacks citations, contains insufficient information, and has numerous flaws. It is not adequately developed or reliable enough for the mainspace in its current state, and it does not conform to what Wikipedia stands for. Furthermore, it fails to follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for creating an article. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete its still lacks of coverage, information as well as references and citation, not ready for mainspace...when using the article for creation and submission, many articles were declined. However, it is very upsetting to see this one published despite its clear flaws. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 1,2 to 3 sources is not enough to cover the one sentence article and as you visit the publisher its not notable and reputable enough and Wikipedia doesn't support any of those. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No news articles about this person that I can find, only databases, and WP:SPORTSPERSON is actually the reason why it shouldn't be kept. Procyon117 (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Indeed its not notable enough to pass Wikipedia standards. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 08:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify I'm pretty certain I will be able to expand this bio to WP standards - editors who know my work will know that Olympian stubs and Venezuelan stubs are an area of expertise and this is both - but don't have the time right now. Kingsif (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment People with English-language browsers will as a rule be shown fewer foreign-language results, so if people are wanting to look for potential sources it would be useful to include some Spanish. The general Spanish word for canoe as a sport is piragüismo, though in Venezuela it is more common to use canotaje, and adding either or both of those to a browser search for her name will probably deliver more than just her name. Kingsif (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Koosha Toofan

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Nothing on a before. No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn since 2010. scope_creep^Talk 14:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The article has no claim of importance, and the references do not demonstrate notability. The World Physique magazine interview is the best source, and I'm not sure it should be counted at all for GNG; the other sources are worse. A Google search finds nothing other than his personal website (with a biography that differs substantially from this one) and Wikipedia derivatives. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Falls WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 13:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Aryna Sabalenka tennis season

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Her season is still at least a few weeks away, and as of now, the article is very barebones with no real information or sources. Liam Korda 13:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify for now per WP:CRYSTALBALL, this tennis season is likely to be a notable one, but we can't possibly know for sure until the season actually begins. Iffy★Chat -- 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Can be moved back to mainspace when first match ~~close to starting~~ underway. Procyon117 (talk) 16:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No proven evidence shown the notability of the topic. Pure WP:CRYSTALBALL stuff. Unnamelessness (talk) 11:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - as others have said, we need for the season to at least start before we can determine whether it's going to be notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dratify as above. After her first tournament we can re-add. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Zakharov (footballer, born 2000)

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Fails WP:GNG (WP:NBASIC).--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Draftify - Draftify until better sources are found.
Sushidude21! (talk) 07:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV/WP:SPORTSBASIC. I found coverage on a Russian scientist and a Russian television personality/broadcaster of the same name. Admittedly I am not a Russian speaker so my BEFORE may not have turned up something pertinent to notability on this particular Dmitri Zakharov. If something changes, ping me. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – if someone shows interest in improving. I'm not opposed to deleting it. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [38], [39], [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agata Rosłońska

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete' – I think we're facing the same issue as Michał Tomaszewski AfD months ago. From what I can see based on my Google search ("Agata Rosłońska łyżwiarka figurowa"), news media only refer to her as part of the figure skating duo with Tomaszewski; nothing in-depth about the woman herself. Corresponding article on Polish Wikipedia likewise does not have significant coverage in secondary sources. No news have been released on Tomaszewski over 20 years either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Bazmandegan

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I don't follow sports in the country, but agree with nomination. Corresponding article on Arabic Wikipedia is also a stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulrahman Al-Rashidi (Qatari footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I don't follow sports in the country, but agree with nomination. Corresponding article on Arabic Wikipedia is also a stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naaim Firdaus

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The subject has only played in two matches to date and this is just a stats stub as things stand with a very weak claim to notability. I found Borneo Post, Harian Metro and Makan Bola but all of these are trivial mentions. If nothing better is found, then this fails WP:SPORTBASIC pure and simple. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandru Tofan

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Delete - I have not been able to find (WP:BEFORE) independent sources of any kind to establish or support the notability of this soccer player with regard to WP:SPORTBASIC. There are plenty of database sources, but I understand that this is not sufficient to establish notability. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - insufficient coverage exists to meet guidelines including WP:A and WP:V. C 679 06:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graham Filby

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I was unable to locate any WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 05:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Nothing on the subject to pass GNG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 14:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Geoff Wylie

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There is some nice personal content on Wylie in Bobby George's biography because they are friends, but this really can't be used towards WP:SIGCOV due to the nature of the material. Otherwise not really finding anything other than the standard sports statistics stuff. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 05:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Shaun Narain

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. He gets some passing mentions in a darts book by Nigel Boeg, and has the standard pages on DartsWDF and mastercaller (none of which can be used towards notability) but that is about it.4meter4 (talk) 04:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Steve Raw

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He gets some passing mentions in a book on USA Darts, but not WP:SIGCOV. All I found outside of google books was hits on darts fan pages. Fails WP:BASIC.4meter4 (talk) 04:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only 1 primary source provided. LibStar (talk) 04:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Farid Azmi

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Played a total of 11 minutes in Malaysia's top tier football league. BEFORE search shows nothing. Does not pass WP:GNG. Kline • talk • contribs 01:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 04:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, does not present a credible claim to significance or notability. Geschichte (talk) 10:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn't pass any notability guidelines. Mekomo (talk) 10:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zazrir Naim

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Played a total of 103 minutes in the top tier of Malaysia football over 3 years. A check for sources found 2 articles total, only mentioning him in passing mention. Does not pass WP:GNG. Kline • talk • contribs 00:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 04:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Doesn't pass WP:SPORTSBASIC or WP:GNG. Mekomo (talk) 10:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Thomas (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article already had two things going for it, both a reasonable claim to notability, and sources that can well be considered sigcov (namely Stuff). The nomination therefore falls flat in failing to argue why "Article fails WP:GNG". In addition, from a summary search I found [48] [49]. In total, I believe it passes the sigcov bar Geschichte (talk) 08:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, barely passes SIGCOV in my opinion. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 11:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Enough sources provided to pass WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 21:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keith Brown (American football)

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This is a partial hoax. It looks like there was a Keith Brown who played college football at Rhode Island but he never signed with an NFL team. He just had a tryout in 2006. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can't find anything to support a article here. Fails WP:GNG and appears to be a likely hoax. Let'srun (talk) 13:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mads Hamberg Andersen

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Not even coverage in databases that could point to how he would be notable. Geschichte (talk) 06:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnson (soccer)

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Similar case to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lecomte (archer). Placements at the early Olympics depended on circumstance, it was not the serious global competition we see today. Specifically, soccer at the 1904 Olympics took place between three random clubs. When not even his name is known, the fact that he won a medal matters little. At best, redirect to either football or the US at the 1904 Summer Olympics. Geschichte (talk) 06:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to e.g. Football at the 1904 Summer Olympics#Medalists or List of 1904 Summer Olympics medal winners#Football. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of 1904 Summer Olympics medal winners#Football: Fails WP:GNG. Demt1298 (talk) 14:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per the previous two users. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 19:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. If by some staggering chance it is kept, the title needs changing as it could refer to any one of probably dozens of professionals past and present -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – There isn't even enough information to support the article itself, listing for the 1904 Summer Olympics squads is more than enough. Svartner (talk) 02:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Illya Tsaryuk

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Played half a game of football with no significant coverage cited here nor on Ukrainian Wikipedia (although the latter has more content, the sources are all non-independent or database sources). My own searches yielded Champion and UA Football, neither of which are anywhere near enough for even WP:SPORTBASIC #5, a lower bar than WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete. If this isn't a failure to "make any credible claim of significance or importance", nothing is. Geschichte (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not A7 eligible. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is, because the link between playing one football match and significance or importance has been completely severed. Saying that a person played one football match is no more a claim to notability than "George White is a high school teacher". Well over one thousand AFDs and PRODs reaffirm this. Geschichte (talk) 07:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. All the sources I found under this name were for a wrestler that was clearly a different person.4meter4 (talk) 10:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Milford

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Yet another sportsman article with scant sources. I do not see the article's raison d'etre. Plasticwonder (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 22:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I located only one good independent source: [50] That's not enough to pass WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 12:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter McDonald (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Just a single primary source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He gets passing mentions in mulitple darts books in google books but not enough to be considered WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Foreman (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Just a single primary source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I couldn't find sources that passed WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 23:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He gets a passing mention in one of Nigel Boeg's darts books, and I found a couple of name drops in google news, but no WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 12:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Salmon (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Just a single primary source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He gets some coverage in one of Nigel Boeg's darts books but not enough to be considered WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 12:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Gedney

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Just a single primary source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He gets some coverage in Nigel Boeg's darts books but not enough to be considered WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 12:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mana Nakao

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Playing 1 cup game for a J League team is a weak claim to notability. Sources in ja:wiki are either primary or match reports, none are in-depth. As such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Geschichte (talk) 12:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lukáš Šembera

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Non-notable sportsperson. The sources describe his accident, which left him paralyzed at the age of 16, and how he lives with the consequences, but do not document any achievements or any other reason for having an encyclopedia entry. FromCzech (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced BLP other than tables of statistics (WP:NOTDATABASE). Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. MSportWiki (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, there appears to be sources but many are in foreign language and failed to translate properly for assessment. Those familiar with the language may search for sources. Mekomo (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michal Šembera

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I did not find any good sources to verify that he meets the WP:GNG criteria. The only external link does not work. FromCzech (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced BLP other than tables of statistics (WP:NOTDATABASE). Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. MSportWiki (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan

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No evidence that this meets WP:LISTN, a trivial grouping of characteristics Fram (talk) 08:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Since this is a list of 48 female wrestlers, I think it would be best to change the alphabetical format of the list to a table, and also add additional sources. Maybe when there are 90 or 100, the alphabetical format would make sense. Nikotaku (talk) 09:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, seems to be a very arbitrary set of criteria. Not sure why this exists. — Czello ^(music) 09:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Does not pass WP:NLIST. It is just another WP:FAN article/list. --Mann Mann (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Giacomo Milano

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WP:TOOSOON for an article on this young rugby player. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Haruki Umemura

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Deleted before. No trace of notability, played 1 cup game and not in any of the J Leagues, creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Umemura was deemed non-notable back in the first AfD ten years ago. He must meet GNG only in order for this article to be kept, as NFOOTBALL no longer exists. Even while searching for his name in Japanese, I didn't find any significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - So, Umemura didn’t play a lot of soccer due to some serious injuries, but there is an absolute ton of extensive independent coverage both of the injuries cutting his career short, but also of his after football career as the assistant abbot of a Buddhist temple belonging to his wife’s family. I’ve gone ahead and edited the article with all the extra information, sources and line citations. It’s all in Japanese (naturally), but you should be able to use google translate to check it if you are so inclined. I only ended up using like 6-7 of the articles, but there are at least another dozen or so readily apparent via a basic google search of his name (in kanji), and I can only guess many more if I used more precise search terms. With all these in-depth and independent sources, there is no way that this article does not meet general notability, and since, as @Clariniie points out, there is no seperate NFOOTBALL, this is as clear a keep as I’ve come across in a while. Ping to @GiantSnowman as requested. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To add, I can’t find evidence of a prior AfD (I’m guessing just because I don’t know where to look, having only been here 3 months still), but if it was 10 years ago that would have been just after that first injury, so it makes sense it failed because at that stage he’d still played no professional games yet, and had not transformed himself into a monk, so coverage would have been minimum simple due to “too soon”. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haruki Umemura, it's literally linked in the top corner. Please summarise the sources for us. Giant Snowman 18:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, nice, can’t believe I didn’t look there.

They’re all in the article now, I added them all as sources / line citations… just click and translate via google translate. Some shorter articles, but some long articles too, a couple in the 3-5 page range. Here’s the kanji for his name though 梅村晴貴 - cut and past that into google and you’ll get the full basic search for his name.

It’s late here and I need to sleep, but if you still really need me to go through them for you rather than looking, I’ll have time later tomorrow.

Have a great day over there. Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so just the basics since I’m a bit busy this afternoon, but here’s that summary. Source order is as listed on the article.

Sources 2 and 4 - different pages from a 3 page article in a sports magazine on Umemura’s youth career, move to the professionals, and the injury that derailed his career.

Source 3 - single page article in the Shizuoka Shinbun Newspaper talking about Umemura’s participation in the SBS Cup International Youth Soccer tournament during his youth career.

Source 5 - short announcement, in an online soccer site, published by Kodansha, Japan’s largest publisher, announcing his professional signing.

Source 6 - short announcement, in same online site as source 5, announcing his injury and upcoming surgery.

Source 8 - 4 page article in a sports magazine talking about Umemura’s move from professional player, to team staff, to priest, due to the request from his wife’s family to take over their temple, and about his new role in that temple.

Source 9 - 1 page article in same online site as 5 and 6, talking about transition from player, to team staff, and then his two and a half years of training to gain his priest’s license. Also an announcement that he will be involved in a 15th anniversary match for the Toyama team, that I haven’t tracked down yet, as this article talks about it in the future tense.

Hope that helps. Absurdum4242 (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryan Cranston

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Subject played one season of professional lacrosse. I found this piece (continued here), which appears to be WP:SIGCOV at first glance but really only amounts to about six sentences of independent coverage of Cranston. There is also this and this from his post-playing career, which is why I decided to put it up for discussion. JTtheOG (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Phil Gilman

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources and IMDB supplied. LibStar (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This subject has won the London Classic darts tournament and British Open, two prestigious winnings with the look of things. This article could be kept on this basis alone, but if anyone finds a slight coverage, then this should be kept. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- For winning the prestigious British Open in 1992 Chikwendummesonma (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Eastwood

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only a single source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks significant success in the sport. Not prominent - less than 90 Google Search results, three Google Books results but two are false positives and one is a mention, then there are seven Google News results but all are mentions and not WP:SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no notable achievements, no significant coverage. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 17:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Herbert (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only a single source provided. LibStar (talk) 22:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks success in the sport. Google Books produces several false positives. Zero results on Google News. Only 131 Google Search results including false positives, not prominent. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Micheletti (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:SPORTBASIC #5, I can't find anything even close to acceptable in WP:RS Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Alrich

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this former professional lacrosse player. JTtheOG (talk) 23:00, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brendon Cook

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Driver fails WP:NMOTORSPORT, having mainly contested low-level domestic championships (state Formula Ford, hillclimbing, national Production Cars) and not achieved notable success in international/higher-level series (British FFord, AUSCAR). Whilst the article appears to be well sourced on the surface, most of the sources direct to a websites' home page rather than an article – a quick internet search for "Brendon Cook racing driver" also brings up routine database sites and Wikipedia, therefore a lack of SIGCOV. Furthermore, I have reason to believe that User:Bjcook, the article creator, is the subject of the article and therefore in violation of WP:COI. MSportWiki (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It looks like you haven't read the whole article. You will see a search on "Brendon Cook racing driver" is pretty useless. In the references from other editors, you will see he has gone by the name of BJ Cook, Brendon & Brendan (I assume spelt incorrectly or reverts in spell check).

Looking at other interests, he played Rugby League internationals 1992 Pacific Cup and games in the New Zealand provincial rugby championship with Manawatu which included a game against the British & Irish Lions according the Its Rugby profile. He is also the son of a former NRL player.

In cricket he played one international game in the 2001 Pacifica Cup (date of birth the same in cricketarchive.com profile).

Perhaps the article needs a bit of re-wording to imply that his major achievements were not in motorsport. NigelPorter (talk) 00:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simply playing international rugby league and cricket matches for minnow teams doesn't meet notability requirements as there is no indication of success. Having kinship with a National Rugby League player is irrelevant as notability is not inherited. Combined with the lack of proper sourcing, it is a self-promotional piece at best. MSportWiki (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your personal opinion. No body else has raised this since the article came about in 2006. If you have a personal agenda to delete this I'm not going to change your mind. Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here. So who is anyone to question you. NigelPorter (talk) 03:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're being very presumptive with statements such as "Just by your name MSportWiki you consider yourself the oracle for Motorsport here", which isn't useful to the discussion. Do you have a COI with this article? MSportWiki (talk) 06:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no COI with the article. NigelPorter (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's focus on the article and its sourcing, not each other. The topic is whether or not we have sources that can establish this subject's notability. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think he used to go by BJ Cook when he raced. He also entered cars in the Production Car Championship with other drivers in them. He ran the Revolution Racegear store in Sydney for ages. So entrenched in the motorsport scene. But does that mean you need a wiki page? Probably need to re-configure article if going to keep.Greg Nail (talk) 22:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails notability guidelines, not to mention the WP:COI concerns of the author. Allan Nonymous (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Low level wins or competitions in minor races, I don't see notability. The first chunk of sources is simply race results,the rest are rugby match results. We'd need stories about this person, which I don't see... I don't find any articles about this person either, I'm not showing notability for our purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Falls WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 09:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find nothing in WP:RS.4meter4 (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Majid (cricketer)

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV as Abdul Majid, Abdul Majid Abbasi or Abdul Abbasi, all of which he has been known as by various platforms. However, still all listings/routine fixtures/short bios listing teams/fixtures. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Coetzee

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Probably not the Martin Coetzee at University of Pretoria. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasim Murtaza

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. There would appear to be a lot of these very routine players with articles! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ally Kimote

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. None of the sources address the subject directly or in detail other than sports databases which have been deemed not relevant towards proving notability. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kassim Nassoro

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. None of the sources have in-depth coverage of Nassoro. The article is mostly based on a cricket database which per the 2022 RFC is not considered substantial coverage toward notability.4meter4 (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tanzania Twenty20 International cricketers as a valid WP:ATD that has been done for numerous other players who've played in minor T20I matches. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the nominator of this AFD I agree redirect is a good option also. Shrug02 (talk) 21:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rakibul Hasan

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Fails to meet significant coverage criteria. I PRODed this article but then discovered it had already been done in the past so am now AFDing it. Shrug02 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Confusingly, there's also a Rakibul Hasan (cricketer, born 2002) out there who is no more notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Ishtiaq Ghafoor

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Declined prod. One of the sources added is a small mention of him [51] and not WP:SIGCOV. Normally notable weightlifters have at least competed in Olympics or medalled in a major competition. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The very first source says he won a silver medal at the 2006 South Asian Games. I know nothing about that competition or whether or not that makes him notable.4meter4 (talk) 03:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Although he's not an Olympian but having participated in Asian and Common Wealth games and as a medalist in South Asian games makes him somewhat notable from Pakistani standards. Muneebll (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not seeing any WP:SIGCOV for a pass of WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT, and he does not appear to qualify under any of the NSPORT sport-specific guidelines. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I don’t see how this passes WP:SPORTCRIT either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kai Trump

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Previously deleted/redirected at AfD. Recreated by a new user and honestly the coverage doesn't look any better than it did at the first AfD, so I can't see it warranting a standalone article. Serious issues with WP:NOTINHERITED. Should be redirected back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (EDIT: I am also fine redirecting back to Family of Donald Trump) as per the consensus of the last AfD. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as done previously and lock it to prevent repeated disruption. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect per last AfD. This shouldn't even go to AfD, it should be up to those few who think it should be a standalone article to demonstrate what has changed and why that would change the previous AfD consensus. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets WP:GNG with multiple references focusing on her:

These references have all been published after the last AfD, and/or were not in the article during the last AfD. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of this coverage suggests that she is notable separate from her relationship to the broader Trump family, and is pretty insubstantial. Per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is covered in-depth in multiple WP:RS that are independent of her, which satisfies the requirements in WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly post that could be made about any subject whatsoever.

None of the sources at the article Julius Caesar suggest that he is notable separate from his relationship to his broader military and political achievements -- do you here suggest a redirect to Roman Empire per WP:NOPAGE? jp×g 🗯️ 00:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the valid reason would be that she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. This is a point that is often misunderstood on Wikipedia, presumably because of WP:UPPERCASE shortcuts like WP:NOTINHERITED. If you actually read WP:NOTINHERITED, you'll see that it says Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. What it actually means is that people are not automatically notable just because they're related to someone – they can still meet GNG, even if that is all they are "known" for. C F A 💬 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has she done that is actually noteworthy? These articles are basically puff pieces. We know she plays golf and that she was invited to give a speech at an RNC convention where she says Donald Trump a normal grandfather and that she has no interest in pursuing politics. The social media stuff in the article is irrelevant puffery. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The social media stuff is obviously not independent of her. But the 5 references above (and there are more in the article, I just listed the top 5) are all in-depth (not a casual mention), independent of her, and independent of each other. That's all that is needed for WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? This isn't a policy-based argument. jp×g 🗯️ 14:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom., Iggy pop goes the weasel, Traumnovelle, and WP:NOPAGE. Sal2100 (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets GNG. See my comment above. C F A 💬 00:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do feel that those opting for redirect are really failing to see the huge differences between this AFD and the previous one in July.

1.Firstly, Trump has made a YouTube channel as of October that has already received 220,000 subscribers (and more than 50k of those in the last 24 hours), has a video with over 2 million views in two days which has significant political interest and coverage in major news outlets (and a second video with over a million views).

2. Kai Trump has more than a million followers on TikTok and 500,000 followers on Instagram, which has all changed since the last AfD where she had 100,000 followers on Instagram for example.

3. The election of 9 days ago also casts her in a different light- she is a content creator who will have significant proximity to an in-power president between the ages of 17-21, and already has a huge audience and is receiving notable coverage. Do you really think that Kai Trump is going to fade into obscurity and never again achieve notability? Deleting this article is only going to delay publication for six months or less, and she is already receiving 9,000 plus article visits per day (not that this means anything for notability purposes, but the article clearly has demand and she clearly has significant attention).

In my opinion, the previous AFD fell the right way because of the fact she was only notable for her RNC speech- by all accounts she is now achieving notability for other reasons at this point, and she will continue to do so. There are now [sources] claiming that she is Trump's most important social media ally, etc. I would expect coverage on this subject to increase dramatically in the coming months with the inauguration and as she produces more content. Let us compare with her uncle Barron Trump (as she has been compared with before), who has been deleted via AFD before: this would suggest that Barron has attained nowhere close to the notable achievements or coverage that Kai has now received, with no sections of independent notability as far as I can tell. Kai's article Passes WP:GNG. I edited her article extensively yesterday though, so I would expect some degree of bias from me in trying to keep the article retained.Spiralwidget (talk) 01:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a poorly-written article about a person whose accomplishments I find unimpressive. Sources obviously pass GNG. Is there a BLP issue, or some other urgent concern that makes GNG unsuitable here? Or is it just a politics thing? jp×g 🗯️ 02:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Not seeing any sources that are notable outside of Donald Trump, until she becomes notable by herself I can't vote keep. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump (1st choice) or back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (2nd choice). (I think the family article is better than the father's article for the same anti-patriarchal reasons I detailed in the first AFD and won't repeat here.)

In the first AFD, I thought the article subject was just shy of meeting WP:GNG, with borderline sigcov from WP:TIER3 sources like [52] [53] [54] [55], with the best source at the time IMO being ABC News, though even that one had little in-depth information about the subject, and was mostly about the RNC speech.

The 5 new sources posted above don't really move the needle for me. #1 WP:DAILYBEAST is yellow at RSP, and anyway it's an opinion piece. #2 I'm not sure that EssentiallySports is an RS. #3 is not technically not independent of the other ABC News article, and anyway is more about the subject's election night vlog than about the subject herself. #4 is a routine signing report which usually don't count as sigcov of an athlete, and #5 NYT is about the RNC speech, like the earlier ABC News article, not in depth of the subject herself. What's missing is like two solid biographies of the subject; then I'd be convinced that there is so much material about the subject that it should be on its own page.

But for now, I think everything that meets WP:DUE/WP:ASPECT in all of those sources that is actually about the subject is only enough to fill up a section in an article, e.g. Family of Donald Trump. Even if the subject meets GNG, for WP:PAGEDECIDE reasons (readers will understand the subject better in the context of her family rather than as a stand-alone article, particularly since most of her notability is derived from her family, with her golf career constituting a minority of the overall RS coverage), I think it's better to cover this topic as part of another article rather than as its own article.

Also, I note that the prior AFD resulted in consensus to redirect, and it was edit-warred back into an article, which led to this second AFD (1, 2, 3). A trout to those editors for editing against consensus. The new information should have been added to the target article, and if a stand-alone was sought, a split should have been proposed on the target article's talk page per WP:PROSPLIT. Levivich (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain the distinction between "significant coverage of something a person did" and "significant coverage of the person"? I am confused by this claim. jp×g 🗯️ 14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, probably easiest to show you examples, all from the same RS:

The #1 stories have some biographical information about the subjects, but they're really focused on specific events/statements/actions/etc. #2 are actual full-length biographies of the subject. You see a lot of differences in these types of stories: #1 is focused on a particular time and place, #2 spans the subject's entire lifetime. #1 includes a lot of quotes from the subject (what the subject said about the event/action/whatever), whereas #2 has much more in the BBC's own voice. (You can scroll through and just see that #2 has fewer quotation marks than #1.) #1 is usually shorter than #2, sometimes by half.

For our purposes -- writing a stand-alone biography article about a subject -- we can kinda/sorta do it with RSes like #1's, but you really need #2's to cover the subject's whole life, as opposed to just some action/event that happened during their life.

For this article subject (Kai Trump), we only have #1's, no #2's. Levivich (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above discussion. I’m against any minor child of a political person or celebrity having an article, even if they have spoken in public about their parent or grandparent. (Redacted) Bearian (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have two comments to make here on this AfD after already giving my "keep" opinion a little further up.

1. Firstly, I would be concerned that a merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump would destroy a lot of potentially important encyclopedic information in the article, such as Trump's RNC speech and her recent coverage of election night, as well as information about her name being related to her grandfather and such. The current Family of Donald Trump article has only a short section on grandchildren, and it would be difficult for me to see how a redirect/merge would fit in with the format of that article. I think that merging to "Donald Trump Jr." would be preferable, but the problem there is that Kai Trump does not actually have any significant activity directly related to her father; appearing at the RNC and her social media and golf activities all seem very unrelated to her father, especially considering the fact her parents are divorced and she actually lives with her mother. It also seems to perpetuate stereotypes relating to patriarchy to redirect to father. I therefore find a redirect or merge to be less than ideal in this circumstance.

2. Secondly, I have a real issue with Wikipedia attitudes as regards social media influencers and younger influential people as it stands. I distinctly remember having a similar argument about Niko Omilana when I first made that article. As a younger editor myself, I feel it is important to point out that these people are household names to a degree. People in my social group and my age range have almost all heard of people like Niko Omilana or Kai Trump, and she is seen from my perspective as more of an influencer with her own brand than a relative of Donald Trump- without a doubt her grandfather is a part of her brand, but it is honestly rather derisive of younger people to just expect that all of their life has a focus on their family She clearly receives significant independent coverage on her "social media brand", which I would characterise as "rich republican golf girl", such as [[56]] and [[57]]. Another example is Deji Olatunji, which currently redirects to KSI despite clearly passing GNG, partially because people underestimate the fame, influence and importance of these figures for a younger audience- again, these are the celebrities and personalities that are the most important and discussed among people below the age of 25, and they without a doubt pass GNG. I find it both patronising, astonishing and frustrating that such articles are routinely struck down by people that in my opinion have not got the finger on the pulse of the way fame and influence is being peddled, and Wikipedia itself is in danger of being left behind if it is not more forgiving to younger subjects. The information is clear, it is well-cited, and it receives coverage in multiple reliable independent sources, so what's the big fuss? The bottom line will be that when young people search online for their idols and role models and such, they will be looking at their instagram account rather than Wikipedia, and I think that is a crying shame.Spiralwidget (talk) 12:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you call "a crying shame," I call the entire point of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Fame and popularity are not sufficient for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It's not about her age, or profession (many influencers with huge followings are nevertheless not notable), it's about this: Wikipedia summarizes sources. For a Wikipedia biography article, the sources are other biographies. Wikipedia should never be the first place to publish someone's biography. So to vote keep on a biography, I'm looking for at least 2, preferably 3, totally independent (of each other and of the subject) full-length biographies. That's what gives us enough source material to write a Wikipedia biography article that meets NPOV. Kai Trump doesn't appear to have been the subject of any full biographies, much less two or three. (The RSes I've seen so far have some biographical information, but very little, and I wouldn't call any of them in-depth biographies.) As it so happens, there are many famous people who aren't the subject of biographies (athletes, influencers, famous people's kids); they don't qualify for Wikipedia articles IMO. And everything we have to say about Kai Trump--all the info in RSes that's WP:DUE or a significant WP:ASPECT--can be said in a paragraph or two that can be part of the family article (which could have multiple mini-biographies about various not-quite-notable members of the family). The RNC speech, for example, is one sentence, that says she gave a speech at the RNC. That's all there is to say about it. Levivich (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the family of Donald Trump. It doesn't need an independent article. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Notability is not inherited. This is, at best WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per some of the keep discussion above. It clearly passes WP:GNG and this is way different from the previous deletion discussion in July with more references. Kaizenify (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The new coverage is still entirely connected to her grandfather. Notability is not inherited. I don't doubt at some point this may change, but so far it hasn't. It's WP:TOOSOON for an independent article. FYI, telling us how many followers someone has on social media is a clear sign that someone is scraping desperately at the bottom of the non-notability barrel.4meter4 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Likely TOOSOON. Playing golf isn't notable, there is coverage of a speech given, but being social media star in 2024 isn't notable alone. We've had a flood of coverage since the event, but nothing before. I'm not sure this person is notable for what they've done; outside of the Trump name, what have they done to be notable. She's a "potentially notable" influencer, so nothing notable at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: You see the name, you want to know who it is. It's as simple as that. Cyber rigger (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: If we keep it, it's logical that Barron Trump should have his own article. Lucafrehley (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She's a public figure and meets Wikipedia notability requirements to have her own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.77.187 (talk) 03:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Stahl

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Article is unsourced with the only external links leading to database-type webpages (WP:NOTDATABASE), only notability appears to be as a relation to the Schumacher family and not his own sporting achievements (therefore failing WP:NMOTORSPORT). MSportWiki (talk) 09:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The only coverage out there is of him not taking a doomed flight and every headline (I say 'every', there are like 2), is "Michael Schumacher's stepbrother flew on doomed Germanwings flight one day before crash". Altogether now, 'notability is not inherited' and there's absolutely no SIGCOV of him in his own right, thereby failing WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Why has the article average daily page views of over 300 (that's over 100 000 page views in the last 365 days) and why is the article available in 10 languages? That has to come from somewhere so maybe there's coverage we don't see? Currently I tend to vote delete but not with these questions in mind. Killarnee (talk) 10:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Killarnee: It's likely because he's a relative of Michael Schumacher, a high-profile racing driver. Looking through those other languages, the majority are completely unsourced - the Spanish article has the most sources, but it links the same routine database three times. MSportWiki (talk) 08:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. While that sounds plausible, I still find it strange that it’s possible to achieve such a resonance solely based on kinship. At least there’s no indication that anything new will emerge, as Stahl appears to have already been inactive for a long time. Killarnee (talk) 13:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Article fails WP:NMOTORSPORT. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 12:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandr Sinicyn

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – All I found on Czech news media were passing mentions like 1 and 2. This might be the closest source describing Sinicyn but likewise is not written in significant detail. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 11:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marshall James

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: as a former WDF World Championship runner-up and World Masters semi-finalist, there appears to be a great deal of significant coverage of the subject in Welsh (Llanelli Star, South Wales Echo) and other (Liverpool Echo, Aberdeen Evening Express) papers, but a lot of it is hidden behind a paywall. If I can get access to these papers later in the week I'll assess the coverage and update my vote; if anyone else has access to them it may be worth a look. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Registering a keep vote in light of the below comment, but will update further if I get granted access to the newspaper archive for the aforementioned articles. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Significant coverage here and although my BNA access has expired, here's a story titled "Top of the World: Marshall James", which is almost certainly sigcov. He was second-best at the world championships! BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is a six paragraph article that summarises a six year career really "significant coverage"? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is a 300+ word article on the then-second-best darts player in the world, as well as what appears to be a feature on 'Top of the World: Marshall James', count for notability? Of course it does. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep describing him as being the "second-best darts player in the world" and this is just categorically not true. Are you seriously suggesting he was better than Phil Taylor? Two articles do not make significant coverage, especially when one of which you have admitted you have no idea what it even is. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep describing him as being the "second-best darts player in the world" and this is just categorically not true. – I'll admit I'm not super familiar with darts, but didn't James finish as the runner-up at the World Championships? Wouldn't being runner-up at the World Championships be second best in the world? And two articles can absolutely be significant coverage; the general notability guideline says that's all that's required for notability (two pieces of coverage). What do you think the odds are that a story titled, "Top of the World: Marshall James", is not significant coverage? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He finished runner-up at a (not the) World Championship and then proceeded to do absolutely nothing of note ever again. Does a darts player from Llanelli having potentially one article in a Llanelli newspaper, and a six paragraph article on a darts website, really count for notability? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does having significant coverage from two independent outlets for a runner-up at a World Darts Championship count for notability? Absolutely if you go by GNG, which only requires two significant sources. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, to keep up-to-date. That's one "significant" source. And one source you freely admit you haven't read. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 00:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We're allowed to use common sense. The odds that both the 'Top of the World' source is insignificant and that there's no further coverage of him anywhere is incredibly small, especially given that Ser! has found paywalled articles in four additional newspapers. That you're unable to answer whether you've done any sort of WP:BEFORE search at all for over one hundred darts articles you've rapidly nominated or proposed for deletion is concerning as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice personal attack there. Not content with doing it on my own talk page you now choose to do it here too! All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pointing out that you've refused on three occasions to answer the basic question of whether or not you've done a BEFORE search is not a personal attack... BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You assuming that I haven't, and constantly repeating the claim, is a personal attack. What on earth makes you think I haven't? Because you found that the British library has an article in the Llanelli Post about him from 27 years ago? 🤣 All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ItsKesha: What on earth makes you think I haven't? – because I asked "Are you doing any sort of WP:BEFORE search at all?" – and you responded that the articles are old, and then I asked "Are you doing any sort of WP:BEFORE search at all?" – and you responded that I need to AGF – and then I asked "Are you doing any sort of WP:BEFORE search at all?" – and you told me to get off your talk page – and then here you called it a personal attack, and when asked ... you responded that "What on earth makes you think I haven't? 🤣" – this absolute refusal to answer the question while nominating / proposing hundreds of articles for deletion is disruptive. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK 👍 All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 01:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the entirety of the BNA article, content on James bolded:
[D]arts ace Marshall James added another trophy to his impressive collection recently - after winning a world championship. Marshall was a member of the Wales short man squad that won the world championship in Perth, Sydney, recently. Another player from the area Eric Burden was also in the side with the others being Sean Palfrey of Newport and Martin Phillips from North Wales. With 35 countries taking part Wales beat a star studded England side in final by nine legs to six. Wales came away with three gold medals and one bronze. Marshall lost in the semi-final of the Embassy Gold Cup singles on Saturday to world number 1 Mervin King 2-1. Another Welsh player Shaun [sic] Palfrey went on to take the title beating King 2-0 in the final. Marshall was recognized for his achievement this week when he was chosen as winner of the Walter Hughes Cup, one of the Brin Isaac Memorial Fund awards.

I'm not convinced ~4 sentences in an un-bylined hyper-local blurb announcing his darts competition results for that week counts toward GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 18:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - My main concern here is that DartsNews is not obviously a reliable source and some work needs to be done to establish whether it is or isn't. My real sticking point on any bio article is "can we write a reliably-sourced encyclopaedia article, and not simply a database-entry, about the subject", and if Dartsnews is reliable then probably we can. BeanieFan11 - any views on this? FOARP (talk) 10:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I really need to figure out how to get re-subscribed to the BNA; there appeared to be a decent bit of coverage there (highly likely enough to write a reliably-sourced encyclopaedia article, and not simply a database-entry, about the subject, I'd say)... As for Dartsnews, they appear to have an editing staff. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - Mostly just on AGF, give-keep-a-chance grounds. DartsNews gives sigcov but feels like a peripheral source even if it is a WP:NEWSORG. There is no BIO equivalent of WP:AUD and local coverage shouldn't be excluded entirely, so I see no reason to dismiss coverage just because it was in a Llanelli newspaper, but it is also borderline for WP:SIGCOV. The real question for me is "can we have an article that isn't just sports-stats", and we just about can. Since the internet archive is now working again (albeit slow) I did a little search there and I see that, except for mentioning him a couple of times when discussing other players, he isn't listed in this book about the top 50 darts players, so I think that safely answers the question of how great this guy was. FOARP (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There's a Welsh rugby player with the same name... I don't see anything about a darts player. The few sources given in the comments above aren't extensive coverage. I don't think we have enough to use for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 02:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, a follow-up on these sources: I've found a good few articles about him in Welsh newspapers - South Wales Echo, Llanelli Star, longer piece in the Llanelli Star about subject, coverage of him being fined as a pub landlord - not really related to darts but it does describe him reaching "national fame" and it's hard to think a random unnotable would get this exact coverage, article in same paper about him getting a new manager, South Wales Evening Post covering a match he played in (more than WP:ROUTINE as it goes in more depth than just the results and interviews the subject), further coverage in same paper of his World Championship run, and then a few profiles/further mentions in the context of his time playing in the World Championships. Add to that the DartsNews article above and I think there's well enough coverage to justify us having an article on a former world championship runner up. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 09:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per Ser! and User:BeanieFan111’s points on coverage. JamesVilla44 (talk) 00:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]