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Czech Republic men's national water polo team[edit]

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I can find evidence that a "Czech Republic men's national water polo team" actually exists. A few clues:

According to European Water Polo Championship, a men's team from Czechia hasn't been fielded since ~1993 when competition was in the name of Czechoslovakia.
The sole source on the page links to the women's team. The men's team link is blank going back to 1993.
The name of the team on the page, "Český svaz vodního póla," is actually the name of the Czech Water Polo Federation, which organizes domestic competition. The only international competition it references is junior/U16 men, not a senior men's national team.
No other reliable sources that I can find, in Czech or English, refer to any variant of a men's national water polo team that actually competes internationally.

Open to other sources that editors may find, but until they appear I cannot even confirm that this subject exists. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, if the only question is whether the team exists. Per this article on the Czech Water Polo Federation website, the Czech Republic competed in December 2023 against Moldova, Lithunia and Moravia (second Czech team). This article from 2017 writes about the former Czech national team member Martin Faměra and about the low chance of the Czech team to participate in the Olympics. It's true that the Czech national team maybe stopped working for a short time, but it's working at the moment, and with the U19 team that made it to the European Championship, the future looks promising. FromCzech (talk) 05:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Rico Challenge (college baseball)[edit]

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Baseball tournament scheduled for 2025 fails WP:GNG. All sources are press releases from the participating teams or sponsor organization. The only media coverage ([1], [2]) is churnalism regurgitating the press releases and cannot support notability per WP:NEWSORG. Until there is sufficient WP:SIGCOV in secondary, independent, reliable sources, it's WP:TOOSOON for this article. As an AtD, I propose to draftify, since I expect there will be coverage next year closer to or after the event. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joe Carter (reporter)[edit]

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This biography lacks any sources that are significant coverage. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Steakvault who created the article, and nothing else, was immediately blocked as a Spam-advertising only account. — Maile (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Villowo[edit]

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No evidence of any notability, could not find independent sources with significant attention for the sport. Fram (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. The page does not provide reliable sources showing that the sport meets the general notability guideline. RangersRus (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A non-notable localised sport. AA (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per my check, I found nothing that would make this subject meet WP:GNG. It requires multiple independent, reliable sources with in-depth coverage to establish notability. GrabUp - Talk 17:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Poorly referenced and specific to a crazy sport no corresponding article on another wiki. Svartner (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom. Lacks coverage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MonkeySports[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. All the coverage I find is WP:ROUTINE and doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I don't see sources out there. This article reads as WP:PROMO. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:CORPDEPTH. The only sources I see do not provide significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 03:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, doesn't pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a center fielder leaders[edit]

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I'm not seeing any coverage of this specific statistic beyond the list maintained by Baseball-Reference.com ([3]), having searched the internet, Google Books, and Google Scholar. We appear to fall short of WP:LISTN, and this title does not seem to make for an appropriate redirect to any more general article. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This title is so oddly specific that it took me a second to figure out what the list even was. This is not a notable topic for a list. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, baseball is notorious for keeping extremely specific records. But that doesn't mean every possible statistic meets LISTN, and currently we've identified only a single source covering this statistic. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, but can we just appreciate the specificity of the title. Like specifically center fielders with double plays is something to really keep track of. Only baseball-reference would have this stat too. I think I feel bad for the author(s) for this likely deletion. Conyo14 (talk) 04:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Outfield assist leaders are notable, and double play leaders are notable; this seems a worthwhile combination of the two. Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per failing WP:LISTN and WP:NOTSTATS. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can anyone tell me why this article is up for deletion? And if someway to make sure that article don't deleted at all, tell me of how to fix the article ASAP so the deletion notice is taken off the article. SO please, ask me because I put alot of sweat and tears into this article and I pray that I know how to fix this problem as quickly as possible. Thank you and good day. BaseballFanatic1 (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I and the various editors who have !voted delete have noted, you need to provide sources that demonstrate that this topic meets WP:LISTN. So, multiple reliable sources (both lists and prose coverage would be considered, although prose is definitely better) that enumerate or discuss this specific statistic. Currently only one has been identified, baseball-reference.com _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not saying this meets WP:LISTN, but there is also Statmuse and Baseball Almanac - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders is a notable group (have not researched myself) but not for position-specific stats. I cannot confirm though. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This topic fails to have the necessary sources discussing this grouping, and as such WP:LISTN is not met. While it is clear that the creator put a lot of work into this article, it is not suitable for wikipedia. I'd encourage them to WP:TRYANOTHER. Let'srun (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This is an unfortunate can of worms you are opening up here. Obviously WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, namely List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a pitcher leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a catcher leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a first baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a second baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a third baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a shortstop leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders. Always unfortunate to see volunteer time wasted. I personally see the value of it. Hope to hear that RS sources can be provided. Best, - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: IMO not really fair that this article is being targeted. There is also List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a right fielder leaders and so on... all of which seem to have the same possible WP:LISTN problems. What makes this set different from those? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reasoning as to "why this article" was that it was a new article awaiting review, that had already been tagged for {{notability}} for over two months without improvement. The other articles would appear to be an example of WP:FAITACCOMPLI/WP:OSE. Moreover, given baseball's noted interest in arcane statistics, I think it's entirely plausible that a nontrivial amount of the above actually do meet WP:LISTN, and need individual WP:BEFOREs to be carried out prior to nomination rather than presupposing that they all have the same level of coverage. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 13:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
possible Keep (TBD) per WP:TRAINWRECK, we all know there are thousands and thousands of stat articles that possibly suffer from the same exact problem but people recognize their encyclopedic value. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note, it's not like the article is outdated... the creator of the article is actively updating it. Look forward to everyone's feedback. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the nom wants to go one by one? Mass nomination could be messy. Conyo14 (talk) 03:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This objection is silly, a trainwreck would be guaranteed to occur if and only if this were a mass-nomination. There is nothing stopping editors from discussing the relative merits of this list and coming to a clear consensus. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 13:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep.. I'm not sure about the subject matter but considering how many articles of similar types that exist it doesnt make sense to delete this particular one. Though i couldnt really understand if this was for hitting into a double play (which isnt really fielding position specific) or turning double plays as a fielder... Probably needs some actual discussion on the project page about these pages.. maybe the title should be List of Major League Baseball career double plays turned as a center fielder leaders Spanneraol (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These should be "List of Major League Baseball career leaders in double plays as a center fielder" maybe. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't agree more. "Career leaders in double plays as a [position]" is a far better phrasing of the subject. I would also be happy if the word "turned" was added to that as well to make it clear these are defensive DPs. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 02:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep There are too many other DP articles. If anything all three OF (LF/RF/CF) DP lists should be merged/redirected to List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders. I don't see why CF is targeted over RF or LF. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – This type of statistic is pertinent to MLB. Svartner (talk) 22:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Golf Course News International[edit]

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Looking through the sources, I'm not finding any evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage of this apparently defunct publication. Basically all of the coverage of the publication revolves around its disastrous raunchy 2006 rebrand. The only mainstream source I can find covering the publication in any detail is an article in the Independent from 2006 covering the rebrand, along with a very brief article in Press Gazette covering a hiring decision the same year, with other coverage of the rebrand in the niche Golf Business News also in 2006. There's also a 2006 public statement by ex publication head Trevor Ledger in Pitchcare regarding the rebrand. Either way, even if these niche golf sources counted, it still wouldn't pass WP:SUSTAINED due to all the sources being from 2006. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can't find anything about event for recent news. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1996 South African Touring Car Championship[edit]

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Contested draftification. Article is completely unsourced and barely has any content. Also, context is insufficient and leaves a lot to be desired. Editor has created several of these articles, which have only been tagged as "unsourced". I suggest returning to draftspace so it can be improved there. No objection to deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify Article needs work (a lot of it) before it is ready for the mainspace, however the information included can be verified in a number of secondary sources, even if refs aren't currently included. And while I acknowledge its prematurely been moved to the mainspace, based on the date stamps this AfD was initiated within a few hours of the article's creation. There is a reasonable potential that it can be improved. For those reasons I'm unwilling to !vote delete at this stage. Dfadden (talk) 04:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 22:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olympics on CBC commentators[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced and dead links, these consists of WP:PRIMARY and announcments, not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olympics on NBC commentators SpacedFarmer (talk) 06:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete I found only this so far [4]. So, maybe more exist? Otherwise it's WP:LISTCRUFT mixed with WP:OR. Conyo14 (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That source appears to be from the CBC, and as such isn't independent. I can't find much else so far. Let'srun (talk) 23:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article should as a secondary option, be merged with the main CBC Olympic broadcasts article. Otherwise, a lot of great effort has hopefully recently been made to provide better context and information (there are now, about 60 references that have been added) behind the extensive history of CBC's Olympic Games coverage in Canada dating back to the early 1960s and to make it less "bare bones" looking. Here's some additional information on CBC's Olympic telecasts of recent times: Steve Armitage retires after 50-plus years calling Olympics and more for CBC, Famed CBC announcer Steve Armitage will miss Rio Olympics over heart problems, CBC’s Devin Heroux shares how he won’t be going to Beijing after December positive COVID test, illustrating wider media concerns, With Canada’s women’s curling team eliminated from Olympic medal contention, Canadian Twitter is upset…at the CBC’s Colleen Jones?, Support pours in for CBC’s Elliotte Friedman, who’s still hard on himself, VIDEO: CBC announcer mixes up Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte during 200 IM Final, CBC hot mic catches swimming analyst saying 14-year-old “died like a pig”. Also from the CBC Media Centre, CBC'S TOKYO 2020 BROADCAST TEAM, CBC'S OLYMPIC WINTER GAMES BEIJING 2022 .... A "full" list of CBC's television personalities can be found here. BornonJune8 (talk) 08:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Checked the sources; the first three sources are about the announcers, the one about Canada’s women’s curling team (source 4) are about the team, the other three about the games itself and the last two are WP:PRIMARY. Anything supporting this list is doing nothing for it. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep copy/paste rationale, no evidence of a WP:BEFORE check. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Before you accuse me of a copy/paste rationale, I have made a WP:BEFORE check. I already debunked the new sources above. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This does not meet the WP:LISTN as the group isn't discussed in non-primary sources or really any RS whatsoever. The sources are either YouTube links, press releases, blogs, or are from the CBC. Another example of WP:REFBOMBING. Let'srun (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grampian Flyers B.C.[edit]

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This may meet a little notability but in the current state lacks sources. My research showed they are trivially mention in news articles and those, doesn't seem to be notability. Per SE, doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT. Redirect can also be better if there is any. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Temoc[edit]

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Was turned into a redirect due to having no independent sources before I brought it back. I think this does deserve some discussion because there are a lot of mascot pages that are sourced similarly to Temoc. Okmrman (talk) 21:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as the person who first redirected the article. The fact that there are a lot of mascot pages that are sourced similarly to Temoc means that there are a lot of mascot pages that ought to be deleted for failing WP:GNG. Excluding press releases from UTD and articles from its student newspapers, the best references I could find were insignificant coverage from The Straits Times and the Chronical of Higher Education Mach61 22:09, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Texas-Dallas Comets, specifically Mach61 23:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment perhaps the article could be broadened to be about "student life" in general? A lot of the article is about topics only tangentially related to the athletic mascot. Texas–Dallas Comets is the only plausible merge (or redirect) target I see, none of this material needs to be in the main university article. Walsh90210 (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New Capital Sports Hall[edit]

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Small sports stadium lacking in depth coverage in reliable independent sources. Mccapra (talk) 07:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep What do you mean with small sports? Handball is the second biggest team sport after football in the world. For your information the WC 2019 which was played in this hall hat at cumulative TV audience of 1.2 billion. Now to the hall if you google the Arabic name "الصالة الرياضية بالعاصمة الإدارية الجديدة" there are some stories like: [5], [6], [7], [8] 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 09:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that the hall itself is small, not that the sports it hosts are small. As to the sources you’ve provided above, none of them offers in depth coverage of this particular hall. They just confirm it exists, that it seats 7500-8000 people and it’s part of the larger Olympic complex. They are either about the handball matches or about the Olympic city. The sports complex as a whole looks notable and therefore potentially a redirect target, but it doesn’t seem to have been written yet. Mccapra (talk) 14:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I think the sports hall is good enough with sourcing and notability to be kept here. While Arabic sources may not be the best, they do help fill the gap in sourcing. Old-AgedKid (talk) 10:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, If the article stays, it should be on the proviso of improving it and adding a lot more to it. Shouldn't stay as 2 lines. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There isn’t really anything to add though, that’s the problem. It’s not an expandable stub. Mccapra (talk) 15:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nothing at all? MaskedSinger (talk) 16:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trentham Football Netball Club[edit]

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Fails GNG and NORG/CORP. Source in article and BEFORE are database records, game recaps, routine local mill news, and name mentions, nothing that meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Ping me if indepth sources addressing the subject directly meeting WP:SIRS are found. // Timothy :: talk 17:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tim, here is a link to the official history book of the Australian Rules football club, Trentham Football / Netball Club in Victoria, Australia - https://trenthamsaintsfnc.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/TDFNC-The-First-100-Years-by-Vin-Cowell.pdf which should provide you with a good source for you add in any other citations for verification, addressing your concerns. Thanks, Justin. Justin J. Kelly (talk) 18:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the sources are mainly local, same with a google news search, needs wider coverage as per WP:AUD. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 23:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @LibStar: What's wrong with the book-length source on its history listed above? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  As far as I can tell it is self-published by a relative of a former player? Not sure if it qualifies for meeting the WP:ORG. Let'srun (talk) 01:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Maryborough Castlemaine District Football Netball League. I agree with LetsRun’s characterization of the earlier source brought up. It lacks independence and even if it was independent, it wouldn’t be enough on its own (plus the WP:ROUTINE local coverage currently in the article). Frank Anchor 22:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A decent article here on "Trentham's Glory Years". BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for posting a link to that great article about the Trentham FNC to help try and maintain some of the club's valuable football and netball history. Justin J. Kelly (talk) 06:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Maryborough Castlemaine District Football Netball League as an AtD. I'm likewise not impressed with the applied, presented or found sourcing, none of which meets RS. Redirect protects full page history. Some of these articles are insufficiently sourced to avoid deletion process tests. BusterD (talk) 08:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martín Gaitán[edit]

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All citations are profiles. No news coverage can be found. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Not sure a proper WP:BEFORE has been done on this one. A simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing sourcing, and foreign Wikipedias also have sourcing. Given his career with a number of caps and World Cup appearances as well as playing in Europe this isn't particularly surprising. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I find a bit of coverage for a blind football player [9], but there is no coverage for this rugby person. Delete for a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: French wiki article lists what seem to be newspaper stories about this person, but there are no online links to them, so I can't evaluate how good they are. Oaktree b (talk) 23:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Keep, per the offline sources at the French Wikipedia and per Rugbyfan22. The titles seem to translate to "Gaïtan: 'hope'", "The pleasure of Gaïtan", "Martin Gaitan, the miraculous", and "The eye of Martin Gaitan", all of which, based on the titles, appear to be highly likely significant coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:HEY. This is the difference between the article at nomination and in its current much improved condition. I'm going to accept the presented sources from the French Wikipedia in good faith, and trust the article there will be improved. BusterD (talk) 08:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonçalo Foro[edit]

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career, albeit for a minor nation, however a simple search is bringing up coverage. I imagine there will highly likely be more offline or not easily accessible non-English language sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Having an extensive career is not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP article fails GNG, ANYBIO, and WP:SPORTSPERSON which was recently revised for this exact situation and requires at least one independent reliable source which directly details the subject. BusterD (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lotu Filipine[edit]

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Only one brief article exists [here https://www.looptonga.com/business/lotu-filipine-wins-500-cash-digicel-tonga-easter-promotion-91903], which is not enough. Shinadamina (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: the article I linked to, is not even about his career and may not be him. Shinadamina (talk) 19:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's also a sexual harassment incident when he was captain of the Tonga under-21 team [10]. There should be more on this, but it would require digging in NewzText, which I don't have access to. IdiotSavant (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep World Cup player and a simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing coverage. There is likely more coverage offline also from the time of his career and locations of his playing career. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players.Lacks WP:SIGCOV for standalone article.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players as suggested above. None of the sources applied, presented or found brings this subject past WP:SPORTSPERSON which specifies at least one reliable source directly detailing the subject. BusterD (talk) 08:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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American football[edit]

Jalen Schlachter[edit]

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Non-notable football player. Sources are all standard run-of-the-mill sources so failed GNG, never played in the NFL, pedestrian college football carer. Wizardman 13:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage found for this person; playing college football alone isn't notable. Not meeting notability requirements. Oaktree b (talk) 14:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV for the subject to meet the WP:GNG, only some routine mentions in articles about other players. This [[11]] may be WP:SIGCOV but it is paywalled. Let'srun (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Some coverage is available here, here, here, here, and here. Ejgreen77 (talk) 02:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wichita Falls Diablos[edit]

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Semi-pro indoor football team which played a handful of games in its only year of existence in 2008. The most coverage I found was this and this. JTtheOG (talk) 02:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of CFL on TSN commentators[edit]

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this is not a grouping discussed in non-primary sources. PROD was declined without a clear rationale, so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 02:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Also WP:NOTTVGUIDE and WP:LISTCRUFT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Monday Night Football results (2010–present)[edit]

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Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides being mostly unsourced; they consists of WP:PRIMARY, announcements, some appears to be rewritten from each other. Most of those are about the game itself, others are dead or redirected pages. Barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Because we need to continue edit for September as a Schedule Release Andrei Kenshin (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close, all three deletion attempts of the lists of Monday Night Football games should be in a single nomination (three bites at the apple?). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close, I agree with Randy Kryn. These nominations would be better done together, probably along with List of NFL on ABC results. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS and failing WP:LISTN as the topic of Monday Night Football results falls under WP:ROUTINE coverage of the NFL. Conyo14 (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NOTSTATS would not apply as the information is explained, and WP:NOTROUTINE covers the nominated articles (which should be combined by the nominator as soon as possible because now editors are commenting) as typical and encyclopedic. Will comment further when I reply to the nomination. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop bludgeoning. My !vote is final. Conyo14 (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bludgeoning? Please strike that, thanks. And countering misinformation is, I think, allowed. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep a sensible way of organizing this data. As far as WP:NLIST, CBS Sports organizes information this way [12], as do teams such as the Dallas Cowboys [13]. As far as WP:ROUTINE, that is an argument against articles for individual games, Routine events such as sports matches ... may be better covered as part of another article. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Monday Night Football results (1990–2009)[edit]

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Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides being mostly unsourced; most of those are about the game itself, others consists of WP:PRIMARY, YouTube and dead or redirected pages. Barely much to help this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural close, all three deletion attempts of the lists of Monday Night Football games should be in a single nomination (three bites at the apple?). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried that previously, they never go well. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:07, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close, I agree with Randy Kryn. These nominations would be better done together, probably along with List of NFL on ABC results. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS and failing WP:LISTN as the topic of Monday Night Football results falls under WP:ROUTINE coverage of the NFL. Conyo14 (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I answered this at another one of these multiple nomination attempts, SpacedFarmer please combine these as everyone who has answered so far has copied their answers to all three noms and we shouldn't have to do that. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop bludgeoning. My !vote is final. Also, considering that it is the nom's choice to combine them or not, a procedural close would not be a valid !vote. Let them decide whether they want to do it or not. Conyo14 (talk) 16:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn: As I have commented, I've tried before but they go disastrously wrong. I cannot see what difference will this makes. SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep a sensible way of organizing this data. As far as WP:NLIST, CBS Sports organizes information this way [14], as do teams such as the Dallas Cowboys [15]. As far as WP:ROUTINE, that is an argument against articles for individual games, Routine events such as sports matches ... may be better covered as part of another article. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Monday Night Football results (1970–1989)[edit]

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Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides being mostly unsourced; both sources are about the game and nothing to do with the TV coverage or just a mere mention and another is a redirect link; not doing anything to help this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to trim and merge it into Monday Night Football. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural close, all three deletion attempts of the lists of Monday Night Football games should be in a single nomination (three bites at the apple?). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural close, I agree with Randy Kryn. These nominations would be better done together, probably along with List of NFL on ABC results. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS and failing WP:LISTN as the topic of Monday Night Football results falls under WP:ROUTINE coverage of the NFL. Conyo14 (talk) 14:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep a sensible way of organizing this data. As far as WP:NLIST, CBS Sports organizes information this way [16], as do teams such as the Dallas Cowboys [17]. As far as WP:ROUTINE, that is an argument against articles for individual games, Routine events such as sports matches ... may be better covered as part of another article. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first source is pretty good. Are there more from the time period that's mentioned? The 2nd is considered WP:PRIMARY. Conyo14 (talk) 01:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be considered primary? A football team is not the broadcaster or the television network, they just run onto the field and play, so I'm missing what's primary about it. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Dallas Cowboys website (owned by the NFL) producing something about themselves would not be independent, thus WP:PRIMARY per their results of the team they play on the field. Conyo14 (talk) 06:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NFL Championship Game broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the most ardent NFL fans. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced; besides being minimal, none of the two are extant, not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This would have to have been from a while ago, so sources could exist on newspapers.com. However, this article stands as WP:LISTCRUFT and mainly consists of WP:OR. Conyo14 (talk) 17:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I have agreed with the previous AfDs directed at lists of broadcasters of various college bowl games and conference championship games, but there is room in the encyclopedia for a list when it is about the biggest game of the year. In recent history, that's the Super Bowl, and nobody has questioned the notability of List of Super Bowl broadcasters. The Super Bowl is not only the pinnacle of careers on the field but also in the broadcast booth. The best of the best are tabbed to broadcast the Super Bowl, and a list of its broadcasters serves a valid purpose as a navigational list. In the pre-Super Bowl era, the NFC Championship Game was the pinnacle, and the same rationale applies. Cbl62 (talk) 08:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

My take: There is room for these lists in a legitimate encyclopedia if limited to top-level events. E.g., List of Super Bowl broadcasters, List of World Series broadcasters, List of NBA Finals broadcasters, List of Wimbledon broadcasters, List of Indianapolis 500 broadcasters, List of Stanley Cup Finals broadcasters. Being the broadcaster at such an event is the pinnacle for sports broadcasters, and the lists serve a useful navigational function in tracking sports broacasting history at the highest level. It is when we allow these things to creep to the middle and lower levels that we risk dippig into fancruft. Cbl62 (talk) 09:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the Super Bowl though. I'd be willing to change my !vote if sources are found regarding these specific game(s)' broadcasting crews. Conyo14 (talk) 16:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The NFL Championship Game was the top championship game in pro football during its time. The Super Bowl is that today. Cbl62 (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody can doubt that. The can't be said for the one about the FA Cup final, Moto GP, Ligue 1, Serie A, Bundesliga and the French Open (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of French Open broadcasters (2nd nomination)) SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per Cbl62, being what was at the time the biggest American football game of the year. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can all agree with that. This is not intended to be a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT but I wish people stop using "the biggest sporting event of the year" as an excuse to keep. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SpacedFarmer: You wish people would stop referencing the fact that a list is based on a notable event, and the notability of said event, as a reason/relevant point when voting to keep something? That's a silly concept and definitely not an "excuse". Hey man im josh (talk) 16:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Reliable sources discussing the broadcasters for this game as a group seemingly do not exist, and as such, this article fails to meet WP:LISTN. Notability is WP:NOTINHERETED. Let'srun (talk) 19:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A list can serve valid navigational purpose and not have sources discussing all entries as a group. In any event, here (link) is a piece by the Pro Football Researchers Association that does exactly what you ask. Cbl62 (talk) 21:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a good start, but I'd need to see at least one more source like that before I'd be inclined to switch my vote. Let'srun (talk) 02:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this functions as a navigational list such that we don't need sources dealing with all entries as a group (even though such a source has been found). This was the top pro football game in the world in the years prior to the Super Bowl (where nobody questions the validity of the List of Super Bowl broadcasters) and has equal historical value. Cbl62 (talk) 10:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per Cbl62. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Cbl62. Rlendog (talk) 16:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Division I FBS broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS that is not a dead link; tem of those are WP:PRIMARY to teams, two of those are 404 and two are staff roster pages; two of those are about announcers and one leads to a home page. None of these are doing anything at all to help assert notability of lists like this nor have anything to with this list. All the others are unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment radio is not TV.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 03:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Orange Bowl broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Also, mostly unsourced per WP:RS. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the Orange Bowl is one of the most important bowl games, see [18], [19], [20], [21], [22]Esolo5002 (talk) 16:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE and WP:ITSIMPORTANT applies. This is not about the notability of the games itself. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete simply due to failing WP:LISTN. WP:NOTTVGUIDE—"An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc."—does not apply here, as the article in question is neither an article on a broadcaster nor does it list upcoming or current content. Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:ROUTINE mentions that create a WP:TRIVIA list that doesn't meet notability. Conyo14 (talk) 22:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SpacedFarmer: You're practically speaking very subjectively when you state that this is another case of something to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, especially without accompanying evidence to backup such a general statement. It almost sounds like your your saying that something like this shouldn't be around because you personally don't care, heard much of, or understand or have much reverence college football or its history and background. Just because it may not personally appeal to you doesn't instantly mean that there's otherwise, little merit in something like this. BornonJune8 (talk) 11:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I said appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans, I meant this list, not the sport as a whole. Did you pay attention to that? Of course not. As an non-American, we all know how popular the sport is to you Americans. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NB: This user (BornonJune8) has a history of exclusively targeting my AfD with a keep vote, despite how weak they are. This was because I nominated one of his article for AfD. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you pay attention to that? Of course not.
Please keep it civil. Zanahary (talk) 09:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources dating back to the 1950s on television are being added at this very moment. And more will soon come to help bolster the WP:RS needs. BornonJune8 (talk) 10:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source is about an announcment of an analyst, the other is an announcment of TV coverage. SpacedFarmer (talk) 14:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As of now, there are at least 70 different references, and almost 60 just recently added in regards to not only CBS' earliest television coverage of the Orange Bowl, but their coverage in the 1990s. There also are now references/sources that have been added for NBC's television coverage from the 1960s on through the early 1990s and Fox's coverage during the late 2000s. Sources for ABC's during the late '90s and first portion of the 2000s and ESPN's coverage from the 2010s on through the present day just need to added as well as sources for the radio coverage. BornonJune8 (talk) 9:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
I had a check: some focuses heavily on the games with the coverage being a side piece, some are WP:PRIMARY, some are announcments or talk about the announcers, some are 404. Like Wikipedia, you know that IMDB does not count as a reliable source. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This list was almost entirely unsourced when it was nominated at AfD. In just a couple days of effort, some 70 sources (of varying quality) have been added. Combine the ongoing sourcing effort with the fact that this was for nearly a century one of the big three college football games (Rose, Orange, Sugar), I lean to keeping. Cbl62 (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I expect the article to improve though. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 00:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Puerto Rico Challenge (college baseball)[edit]

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Baseball tournament scheduled for 2025 fails WP:GNG. All sources are press releases from the participating teams or sponsor organization. The only media coverage ([23], [24]) is churnalism regurgitating the press releases and cannot support notability per WP:NEWSORG. Until there is sufficient WP:SIGCOV in secondary, independent, reliable sources, it's WP:TOOSOON for this article. As an AtD, I propose to draftify, since I expect there will be coverage next year closer to or after the event. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MonkeySports[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. All the coverage I find is WP:ROUTINE and doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I don't see sources out there. This article reads as WP:PROMO. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:CORPDEPTH. The only sources I see do not provide significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 03:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, doesn't pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of members of the Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame[edit]

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Merge with Mexican Professional Baseball Hall of Fame - the parent article is not that detailed except for a detail of how people are elected to it so I don't see any particular reason for there to be a seperate page for inductees. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that I'm not in favor of deletion at all. I think having all this info on one page is a better approach. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PM for merge requests. Conyo14 (talk) 14:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's very rarely used, this is generally an okay place to have these discussions. A lot more people see it. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Conyo14, thank you for the info. I was not aware of WP:PM. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per nom. This can also be procedurally closed and a merge discussion opened per Conyo14. If this is done, please ping me so I can comment there. However, this is the venue currently open for me to make my !vote. Frank Anchor 19:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Separate page is not necessary. And given the disfunction of WP:PM for merge requests, I understand using AfD to seek a merge. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 15:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen Large[edit]

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 00:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A very easy keep. This biography clears GNG and NSPORTS by more than a lot of sports bios I've seen here. There is WP:SIGCOV in The Province, Baseball America, and Sportsnet, all of which are WP:SIRS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Sportsnet is owned by Rogers Communications, which also owns the Toronto Blue Jays, the organization that had Large at the time that article was written. Let'srun (talk) 15:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The subject meets WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV from multiple reliable sources. JTtheOG (talk) 01:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak delete I created this article as a redirect to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players, but I don't think Large is notable enough for a standalone article. The Baseball America reference is a general stat page that all minor league prospects have. In my opinion we only have 2 refs contributing towards notability in terms of SIGCOV (The Province & Sportsnet). If more SIGCOV is found I do think that the article should probably be kept. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Baseball America link is an article, not a stats page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This subject meets the WP:GNG because of independent WP:SIGCOV from Baseball America and The Province, which each provides in-depth coverage of the subject. Let'srun (talk) 15:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete never made the majors, coverage is sparse and routine. Non-notable minor league baseball player. SportingFlyer T·C 02:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carey Schueler[edit]

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Subject's only claim to fame is that she was the first woman MLB drafted and thus, they lifted their ban on drafting women, both of which are already mentioned in Women in baseball and her dad's articles. While that may be the case, she never actually played in any MLB or even MiLB game unlike Kelsie Whitmore. Her time in high school and college are not worth mentioning as she was not a star athlete in either cases. The sources backing these claims are either dead links or only mention her briefly and I cannot find enough coverage for her in general to meet WP:GNG or WP:NATHLETE anyway. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 19:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep. Besides the fact that it feels wrong to relegate a woman who broke through in a male dominated field to a mention in her male relative's article (in an encyclopedia which already has a gender gap issue), her drafting was very significant, lead to a rule change and also, notably not a publicity stunt but based on a genuine assessment of her talent. She is well covered in literature on the subject (1). The article could certainly use expansion (I'd like to find information on her performance in her senior year season, for instance), but that by itself is not reason to delete it any more than any other stub article. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How you "feel" is not a legit reason to keep an article. I am sure many other editors' personal point of views conflict with the rules here, but they can do nothing about it. Most of those books in that Google search only mention her for a single sentence or paragraph. That is certainly not "well covered." The Legendary Ranger (talk) 22:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first word in my comment is that besides the fact that it feels wrong. I'm also not talking about my personal feelings here, but commenting on how doing things like redirecting a woman's page to her male relative's only enforces systematic gender bias on wikipedia. Many of the books contain only a paragraph mention, but several of them do contain more coverage than that. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Women in baseball per WP:BLP1E. While being the first female drafted in MLB is a big deal, the subject did not sign with, let alone play for, any professional baseball organization. Outside of that, she had a rather unremarkable college basketball career. This person is clearly defined by a single event. She can adequately be covered at the proposed target article, even if information about her high school baseball career is added as suggested by Wasianpower. Frank Anchor 22:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per WP:BLP1E. She was drafted by a team which had her father as general manager, she wasn't signed to a contract, and (per the Chicago Tribune reference) she hadn't played baseball for two years before being drafted. The facts suggest this was a stunt for attention. As there is no substantial coverage of her other than that event, I must vote to redirect. Leaning towards Ron Schueler as the target over Women in baseball, as that article is more likely to contain more than de minimis discussion of her. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly oppose Ron Schueler as a target. Casey Schueler is most notable for being the first woman drafted by MLB, not for being Ron’s daughter. Frank Anchor 00:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly agree with this. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for two reasons: First, there is a discrete entry about Carey Schueler in two different baseball encyclopedias: Donald Dewey, Nicholas Acocella, and Jerome Holtzman's The New Biographical History of Baseball: The Classic—Completely Revised (Triumph Books, 2002) and Leslie A. Heaphy and Mel Anthony May's Encyclopedia of Women and Baseball (McFarland & Company, 2006), indicating that in the field of baseball history Schueler is considered sufficiently notable for inclusion in encyclopedias. Second, the second criterion of WP:ANYBIO is has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field, and Schueler precipitated the MLB to change a rule about signing contracts for women), an enduring contribution to baseball. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Registration of players under control (Nippon Professional Baseball)[edit]

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This does not appear to be a notable topic, with most references to NPB.jp (the league website) and the Japan Professional Baseball Players Association. Lacking independent reliable sourced coverage. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This is a clearly notable topic somewhat analogous to the Rule 5 draft in American baseball, and contrasting with Developmental player system (Nippon Professional Baseball). Players must be "registered" in order to play in top-league games, and it is significant news whenever new players are registered. There are sources available in English (e.g. this academic article from Marquette Sports Law Review, Through Sweat and Tears: High School Baseball and the Socialization of Japanese Boys from the University of Michigan in 2005, and numerous news articles about the decisions to register particular players), and it appears no WP:BEFORE was conducted in Japanese, where we see books like 「プロ野球・二軍の謎」(Mysteries of NPB's Minor League, Gentosha, 2017, here), 「プロ野球ビジネスのダイバーシティ戦略」(How Independent Leagues Promote Diversity in Japan, PHP, 2019, here), or 「プロ野球の経済学」(The Economics of NPB, Tōyō Keizai, 2016, here). All of these were found in just a few minutes and I'm sure there is much more available when searching for "registered player"+"NPB" or "developmental player"+"NPB". Dekimasuよ! 00:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not speak Japanese. You're going to have to share what these books actually say, so that we can judge if it's in-depth coverage or WP:ROUTINE mentions. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A significant amount of each book-length project listed, as implied by my translations of the book titles, plus apparently dozens more books. I'm not sure it's helpful to do a news or books WP:BEFORE search for "支配下登録" (if you did so), see hundreds or thousands of direct hits in both books and newspapers, and discard all of them due to not understanding Japanese. I'm not sure what you want me to describe about all of the sources either; they describe the contents that are described in the article, the history of the system, its implications for players participating in the system, the commemoration ceremonies for being registered, etc. Dekimasuよ! 01:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Dekimasu. Multiple books discussing the subject passes GNG. DCsansei (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matt Hannaford[edit]

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despite being flagged for improvement for nearly a decade now, the article still has major issues. much of the article seems to be either original research, or things Matt has been only involved with tangentially (like stars his coworkers at the company represented). this could be improved if the article met WP:BIO, but even that seems doubtful. Free Realist 9 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a center fielder leaders[edit]

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I'm not seeing any coverage of this specific statistic beyond the list maintained by Baseball-Reference.com ([25]), having searched the internet, Google Books, and Google Scholar. We appear to fall short of WP:LISTN, and this title does not seem to make for an appropriate redirect to any more general article. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This title is so oddly specific that it took me a second to figure out what the list even was. This is not a notable topic for a list. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, baseball is notorious for keeping extremely specific records. But that doesn't mean every possible statistic meets LISTN, and currently we've identified only a single source covering this statistic. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, but can we just appreciate the specificity of the title. Like specifically center fielders with double plays is something to really keep track of. Only baseball-reference would have this stat too. I think I feel bad for the author(s) for this likely deletion. Conyo14 (talk) 04:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Outfield assist leaders are notable, and double play leaders are notable; this seems a worthwhile combination of the two. Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per failing WP:LISTN and WP:NOTSTATS. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can anyone tell me why this article is up for deletion? And if someway to make sure that article don't deleted at all, tell me of how to fix the article ASAP so the deletion notice is taken off the article. SO please, ask me because I put alot of sweat and tears into this article and I pray that I know how to fix this problem as quickly as possible. Thank you and good day. BaseballFanatic1 (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I and the various editors who have !voted delete have noted, you need to provide sources that demonstrate that this topic meets WP:LISTN. So, multiple reliable sources (both lists and prose coverage would be considered, although prose is definitely better) that enumerate or discuss this specific statistic. Currently only one has been identified, baseball-reference.com _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not saying this meets WP:LISTN, but there is also Statmuse and Baseball Almanac - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps List of Major League Baseball career double plays leaders is a notable group (have not researched myself) but not for position-specific stats. I cannot confirm though. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:37, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This topic fails to have the necessary sources discussing this grouping, and as such WP:LISTN is not met. While it is clear that the creator put a lot of work into this article, it is not suitable for wikipedia. I'd encourage them to WP:TRYANOTHER. Let'srun (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This is an unfortunate can of worms you are opening up here. Obviously WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, namely List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a pitcher leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a catcher leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a first baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a second baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a third baseman leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a shortstop leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career double plays as a right fielder leaders. Always unfortunate to see volunteer time wasted. I personally see the value of it. Hope to hear that RS sources can be provided. Best, - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: IMO not really fair that this article is being targeted. There is also List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career fielding errors as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career assists as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career games played as a right fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a left fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a center fielder leaders, List of Major League Baseball career putouts as a right fielder leaders and so on... all of which seem to have the same possible WP:LISTN problems. What makes this set different from those? - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reasoning as to "why this article" was that it was a new article awaiting review, that had already been tagged for {{notability}} for over two months without improvement. The other articles would appear to be an example of WP:FAITACCOMPLI/WP:OSE. Moreover, given baseball's noted interest in arcane statistics, I think it's entirely plausible that a nontrivial amount of the above actually do meet WP:LISTN, and need individual WP:BEFOREs to be carried out prior to nomination rather than presupposing that they all have the same level of coverage. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 13:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
possible Keep (TBD) per WP:TRAINWRECK, we all know there are thousands and thousands of stat articles that possibly suffer from the same exact problem but people recognize their encyclopedic value. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 02:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On a side note, it's not like the article is outdated... the creator of the article is actively updating it. Look forward to everyone's feedback. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 02:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps the nom wants to go one by one? Mass nomination could be messy. Conyo14 (talk) 03:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This objection is silly, a trainwreck would be guaranteed to occur if and only if this were a mass-nomination. There is nothing stopping editors from discussing the relative merits of this list and coming to a clear consensus. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 13:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep.. I'm not sure about the subject matter but considering how many articles of similar types that exist it doesnt make sense to delete this particular one. Though i couldnt really understand if this was for hitting into a double play (which isnt really fielding position specific) or turning double plays as a fielder... Probably needs some actual discussion on the project page about these pages.. maybe the title should be List of Major League Baseball career double plays turned as a center fielder leaders Spanneraol (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These should be "List of Major League Baseball career leaders in double plays as a center fielder" maybe. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't agree more. "Career leaders in double plays as a [position]" is a far better phrasing of the subject. I would also be happy if the word "turned" was added to that as well to make it clear these are defensive DPs. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 02:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep There are too many other DP articles. If anything all three OF (LF/RF/CF) DP lists should be merged/redirected to List of Major League Baseball career double plays as an outfielder leaders. I don't see why CF is targeted over RF or LF. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – This type of statistic is pertinent to MLB. Svartner (talk) 22:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Korry Howell[edit]

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 22:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Also found this [26], with the Chicago Tribune article, we probably have enough for basic notability, was an up-and-coming minor leaguer, then it didn't work out. Was notable at a one point, so should be ok. Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I have found three additional sources which are pretty helpful in establishing notability, see these: [27], [28], [29] Kline • talk • contribs 21:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't find mention of this sporting item, beyond sites to purchase it. Appears PROMO. Sourcing used in the article appears in non-RS. Oaktree b (talk) 22:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Oaktree b the articles below list helpful information to users about the product. This is not a promotion as this just lists information about the company, how it was founded, and how this will enhance the sport that people cherish. This should not merit a deletion.There are other articles as sources that can be added that prove and list this as well. Kompyoub (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of West Coast Conference women's basketball tournament finals broadcasters[edit]

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as the broadcasters for this game have not been discussed as a group in non-primary sources. Let'srun (talk) 19:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Srđan Škulić[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO; created by a fairly new editor who doesn't understand much English (they made test edits at KDCD-TV). Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carey Schueler[edit]

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Subject's only claim to fame is that she was the first woman MLB drafted and thus, they lifted their ban on drafting women, both of which are already mentioned in Women in baseball and her dad's articles. While that may be the case, she never actually played in any MLB or even MiLB game unlike Kelsie Whitmore. Her time in high school and college are not worth mentioning as she was not a star athlete in either cases. The sources backing these claims are either dead links or only mention her briefly and I cannot find enough coverage for her in general to meet WP:GNG or WP:NATHLETE anyway. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 19:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep. Besides the fact that it feels wrong to relegate a woman who broke through in a male dominated field to a mention in her male relative's article (in an encyclopedia which already has a gender gap issue), her drafting was very significant, lead to a rule change and also, notably not a publicity stunt but based on a genuine assessment of her talent. She is well covered in literature on the subject (1). The article could certainly use expansion (I'd like to find information on her performance in her senior year season, for instance), but that by itself is not reason to delete it any more than any other stub article. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How you "feel" is not a legit reason to keep an article. I am sure many other editors' personal point of views conflict with the rules here, but they can do nothing about it. Most of those books in that Google search only mention her for a single sentence or paragraph. That is certainly not "well covered." The Legendary Ranger (talk) 22:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first word in my comment is that besides the fact that it feels wrong. I'm also not talking about my personal feelings here, but commenting on how doing things like redirecting a woman's page to her male relative's only enforces systematic gender bias on wikipedia. Many of the books contain only a paragraph mention, but several of them do contain more coverage than that. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Women in baseball per WP:BLP1E. While being the first female drafted in MLB is a big deal, the subject did not sign with, let alone play for, any professional baseball organization. Outside of that, she had a rather unremarkable college basketball career. This person is clearly defined by a single event. She can adequately be covered at the proposed target article, even if information about her high school baseball career is added as suggested by Wasianpower. Frank Anchor 22:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per WP:BLP1E. She was drafted by a team which had her father as general manager, she wasn't signed to a contract, and (per the Chicago Tribune reference) she hadn't played baseball for two years before being drafted. The facts suggest this was a stunt for attention. As there is no substantial coverage of her other than that event, I must vote to redirect. Leaning towards Ron Schueler as the target over Women in baseball, as that article is more likely to contain more than de minimis discussion of her. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly oppose Ron Schueler as a target. Casey Schueler is most notable for being the first woman drafted by MLB, not for being Ron’s daughter. Frank Anchor 00:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly agree with this. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for two reasons: First, there is a discrete entry about Carey Schueler in two different baseball encyclopedias: Donald Dewey, Nicholas Acocella, and Jerome Holtzman's The New Biographical History of Baseball: The Classic—Completely Revised (Triumph Books, 2002) and Leslie A. Heaphy and Mel Anthony May's Encyclopedia of Women and Baseball (McFarland & Company, 2006), indicating that in the field of baseball history Schueler is considered sufficiently notable for inclusion in encyclopedias. Second, the second criterion of WP:ANYBIO is has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field, and Schueler precipitated the MLB to change a rule about signing contracts for women), an enduring contribution to baseball. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Blessing Ejiofor[edit]

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Does not appear to pass WP:NBASKETBALL as they do not meet any of the criteria, or WP:GNG as the sources are insufficient to establish that. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Can I contribute more on this? SusuGeo (talk) 12:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, of course. Any editor may work to improve articles, even those that have been nominated for deletion. If you can demonstrate that the person is notable for some reason (you can see my reasons for questioning this below), then you might be able to prevent the article from being deleted! Good luck! P Aculeius (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless some reason can be keeping can be located. Normally I would point out that the nominator did not mention having searched for sources, as required by WP:BEFORE. However, this is a college basketball player, and the sources in which you would expect her to be mentioned are probably news sources. A quick search just using the "news" tool above appeared to show minimal coverage: university profiles focused on one of their student athletes, and a couple of basketball scores. Certainly nothing currently in the article demonstrates notability: there are thousands of college basketball players, some of whom are notable, but merely being one doesn't seem to indicate notability. I admit to some uncertainty: is it usual for all Vanderbilt Commodores players to have articles, even those who weren't part of the team for very long and who don't appear to have been primary contributors to their team? It's possible that there's some policy I don't know of here, or some other reason for notability I didn't think of, but it isn't indicated yet. P Aculeius (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@P Aculeius Usually the majority of college players don't have an article. The editor in question seems to have been creating articles of players from Africa rather than Vanderbilt players. There is no inherent notability from playing for Vanderbilt or any other basketball team, college teams or otherwise. All players must simply pass WP:GNG. There are some sources below that have been uncovered since your !vote if you are interested. Alvaldi (talk) 10:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Playing professionally would tend to make her more notable, but if the only thing to add is that she's done so, then it may not be enough. I don't discount local sources, but merely being interviewed by a student newspaper, however editorially independent it may be, doesn't confer notability. The question is whether she's done something to bring her to attention at some significant level. For instance, being a major contributor to a championship team, or mentioned (not just in passing, or noting the basketball scores) in news sources with a greater reach than college papers. Sporting figures profiled in national papers or similar sources may be notable. I'm not foreclosing the possibility of notability; just that so far it doesn't seem to be here. P Aculeius (talk) 14:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This subject doesn't appear to have nearly enough to meet the WP:GNG. I found 1 paragraph of coverage at [[30]], and the subject was interviewed by 60 Minutes [[31]]. It is a close call though, so please ping me if more sources are found. This source provides depth but is quite local [[32]]. Let'srun (talk) 02:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is also [[33]]. Let'srun (talk) 02:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Please note that locality of sources has no bearing on whether they go towards GNG or not. Proposals to discount local sources have been repeatedly rejected in the past. Regarding other sources, This has a few paragraphs about her. There is also this feature in the The Daily Athenaeum. It is the student newspaper at West Virginia University, something we generally don't consider going towards GNG, but it states in its article that it is editorially independent from the university and does not have a faculty adviser. I'm not sure that changes anything. There is also this feature in relations to the 60 minutes interview. Alvaldi (talk) 09:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be noted that since 2022, she has played professionally in Spain and France so there might be some sources there. She is also a member of the Nigerian national team which could indicate that there might be sources about her in the Nigerian media. Alvaldi (talk) 10:58, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alvaldi, we have a strong consensus against considering any student papers as contributory to notability, regardless of their editorial independence: However, given their local audience and lack of independence from their student body, student media does not contribute to notability for topics related to home institutions. JoelleJay (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay I've usually never consider student papers being contributory to notability but the part about it being editorial independent cast a few doubts in my mind with this particular paper. Thanks for the clearup. Alvaldi (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The SI article is not independent and potentially not RS, as it was written by a WVU sophomore for the Mountaineers Now "FanNation" blog section of SI. JoelleJay (talk) 16:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you are talking about the one Alvaldi posted? I posted a different one above that one. Let'srun (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: in addition to the WP:NBASKETBALL criteria mentioned above, WP:NCOLLATH may be relevant here. However, while the article has some improvements since this discussion began, I still don't see any evidence of notability. The subject doesn't seem to have won any titles or participated in any championships or tournaments of note, and the only details provided in any of the sources describe nothing more than a brief biography focused on her playing basketball at various schools or being a member of various teams or playing in certain places. Nothing that would naturally bring her to national attention, or distinguish her from thousands of other college or minor professional athletes. P Aculeius (talk) 09:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. based on presented citations 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 this person will meet WP:GNG and WP:BIO.Hkkingg (talk) 08:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Haven't had a chance to look at the other sources, but the first one you posted is from Vanderbilt (the school she played for at the time the article was written), and as such isn't independent. Let'srun (talk) 14:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

+1 to what Let’srun said. Also, I saw these sources you just mentioned before I made this nomination and they just can’t be used to establish GNG, subject already said WP:NBASKETBALL. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still removing the primary source, we have 4 other sources. I stand by my Keep vote. Again you don't need to protect your nomination and argue every voter that opposes your nomination. this is not a good practice. Let the admins decide.Hkkingg (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hkkingg This is not a matter of protecting my nomination (that sounds weird) or whatever, this is a deletion discussion, and this is a matter of letting you know what the policies and guidelines involved really is. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only one of those sources is independent. The first is from Vanderbilt, the second from WVU recruitment affiliate WV Sports Now (written by WVU students/employees), the third from the Vanderbilt student newspaper, and the fourth from the WVU student newspaper. The remaining French source is routine transactional news. JoelleJay (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per my above arguments. I don't see the sustained SIGCOV in multiple independent secondary sources to meet GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This subject was covered extensively in this SI cover story from 2020 [[34]], and while somewhat local this story from the Patterson Times is dedicated to her [[35]]. Ejiofor was also featured on 60 Minutes in 2020. As such, we have multiple independent, reliable sources providing WP:SIGCOV of the subject with which to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 00:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The SI story is a single event, so we would need sources showing sustained SIGCOV to meet N. The (highly local) Paterson Times source fails YOUNGATH and does not count towards GNG, and the fact she was interviewed on 60 Minutes is also irrelevant as it is not secondary independent coverage. If the only good material we have on her is from a flurry of minor pieces regarding one event in 2020, and nothing else substantial since then, we really don't have an NPOV basis for an article. JoelleJay (talk) 11:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no issue with the quality, significance, or relevance of the sources. My question is, what is the subject notable for? Her personal life doesn't establish notability, and being a member of college basketball teams or minor professional basketball teams doesn't establish notability. Being interviewed by sports magazines or similar sources doesn't make her notable. What is it that elevates her above the level of a good but not particularly outstanding young athlete? Has she done something unusual or important that would still be worth mentioning twenty, forty, sixty years down the road? Right now the only specifics about her basketball career, besides a list of teams that she's played for, are that she scored 28 points for the Vanderbilt Commodores over the course of twenty-two games in one season: an average of 1.27 points per game played. In any given year, there are literally thousands of college basketball players with comparable records. P Aculeius (talk) 14:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the references above which establish notability. The SI cover story along with other pieces of independent and routine local coverage provided above can count toward the second as expected by GNG. WP:NBIO clearly atatea that If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. Frank Anchor 01:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of SEC men's basketball tournament finals broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; besides unsourced, a majority of those are WP:PRIMARY and dead links besides the YouTube posts, not offering anything to assert notability. Besides being by a banned sock. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT, failing WP:LISTN with mainly WP:ROUTINE, WP:PRIMARY, WP:TERTIARY sources such as YouTube or Tweets, or WP:OR making a list of trivia only suitable for the fandom wiki. Conyo14 (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Big 12 men's basketball tournament finals broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; besides unsourced, a majority of those are WP:PRIMARY, some including primary sources are dead links. one that isn't offering much isn't offering much to assert notability. Besides being by a banned sock. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT, failing WP:LISTN with mainly WP:ROUTINE, WP:PRIMARY, WP:TERTIARY sources such as YouTube or Tweets, or WP:OR making a list of trivia only suitable for the fandom wiki. Conyo14 (talk) 14:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of ACC men's basketball tournament finals broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; besides unsourced, one is a YouTube link, four are WP:PRIMARY and one is about the Championship Week. Besides being by a banned sock. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT, failing WP:LISTN with mainly WP:ROUTINE, WP:PRIMARY, WP:TERTIARY sources such as YouTube or Tweets, or WP:OR making a list of trivia only suitable for the fandom wiki. Conyo14 (talk) 14:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Big Ten men's basketball tournament finals broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. Of the sources per WP:RS; besides unsourced, a majority of those are dead links, two are forums and some are guides and WP:PRIMARY. Besides being by a banned sock. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:LISTCRUFT, failing WP:LISTN with mainly WP:ROUTINE, WP:PRIMARY, WP:TERTIARY sources such as YouTube or Tweets, or WP:OR making a list of trivia only suitable for the fandom wiki. Conyo14 (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Grampian Flyers B.C.[edit]

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This may meet a little notability but in the current state lacks sources. My research showed they are trivially mention in news articles and those, doesn't seem to be notability. Per SE, doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT. Redirect can also be better if there is any. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of CBS Sports college basketball commentators[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, 506sports is a forum and collegehoopsnet is merely an announcment of a list of commentators, the other is a blogspot post; neither doing anything to establish notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim and Merge to College Basketball on CBS Sports#Commentators with only the most notable announcers on that list. This list does not meet WP:LISTN for this wiki, but for the fandom wiki, it's fine. Conyo14 (talk) 04:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources such as newspaper articles dating as far back as the early 1980s can easily be found and later added over a relatively short matter of time with the aid of Google News Archives as well as places like Awful Announcing for more "current" or up to date sources. There's also presumably, official press releases from CBS Sports itself. I would estimate, that sources can be filled up in roughly a day and a half. Also, who would fall under the criteria of being "the most notable announcers" among this particular list? Are we only referring to current announcers for CBS as of 2024, are we referring to announcers who only worked the March Madness tournament? BornonJune8 (talk) 10:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE applies. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve: There are secondary sources discussing these announcers as a group particularly for March Madness, as seen with [[36]], [[37]], [[38]], [[39] and [[40]] being found relatively quickly. I wouldn't oppose possibly reducing this to just the March Madness crews but sourcing does appear to show that the WP:LISTN is met. Again, this isn't a broadcasters schedule so I'm not sure how this is a WP:NOTTVGUIDE and I'm unsure which part of NOTDATABASE the nom thinks this violates. Let'srun (talk) 13:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of College Basketball on ABC personalities[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:INDISCRIMINATE WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS, 506sports is a forum and the ESPN now redirects to the main page, neither doing anything to establish notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ Merge to College Basketball on ABC: Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN since as the nom notes as the individuals listed here are not covered as a group in secondary sources. A WP:BEFORE check didn't come up with any sources to improve the article. Edit: Changing my vote to merge as a WP:ATD.Let'srun (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Sources are being added to this particular article at this very moment to further strengthen its notability. This is a work in progress of course, but at the very least, take into consideration, merging the this article with the main College Basketball on ABC article as a secondary option instead of out and out junking it. BornonJune8 (talk) 12:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to College Basketball on ABC#Personalities as an WP:ATD. This article is WP:LISTCRUFT with mainly WP:ROUTINE sourcing or WP:BLOG posts, fit for the fandom wiki. Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since this particular AFD was put into place, over 20 sources have been added. Of course, there could and should be more, but naturally, 20 is a huge leap and jump from the five that was initially there. BornonJune8 (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the addition of some reliable sourcing though I still feel as a list, it is not covered under WP:LISTN. Conyo14 (talk) 23:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Concur. I'd advise BornonJune8 of WP:REFBOMBING. Let'srun (talk) 23:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge. A few things here: I want to quickly address some of the arguments presented by the nominator. WP:NOTTVGUIDE is a policy that relates to current and upcoming events/programming, so I wouldn't really consider this to be applicable here as it is a combination of past and present television personalities. From a spot check of individuals on the list, standalone articles about the subjects included on this list are notable and meet WP:NBIO. Of course, this does not inherently make the list itself notable, especially one that is standalone. Lists (not necessarily standalone) of this type have held water before (quick examples would include NBC evening news anchors and ABC evening news anchors) with the same rationale that we tend retain lists of notable persons that have a notable trait in common. This goes beyond being simply an indiscriminate database, but is a significant compilation of an important aspect of the underlying subject, in this case, the television program College Basketball on ABC. As a result, deletion altogether would be a disservice the extent of knowledge one can gain regarding the television program. Regardless of the numerous sources added since time of nomination, I concur with the nominator that this article fails to meet the criteria of WP:NLIST for a standalone list. To retain the inline citations, per WP:AOAL, combined with the above, merging this list as suggested by Conyo14 (talk · contribs) seems be the best course of action. Bgv. (talk) 02:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Changed my vote to merge per the previous comment. Let'srun (talk) 19:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Baláž (boxer)[edit]

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With only primary sources listed, this article clearly fails WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. My Google searches came up with Peter Baláž (Esperantist) and a motorcycle driver, both of which are Slovak, but nothing about a boxer with the same birth name. I can't see this article lasting longer-term on Wikipedia. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no medal means no notability under WP:NSPORT. Can't find any secondary coverage via a search. BrigadierG (talk) 10:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, subject was the starring role in a movie about himself (Goat (2015 film)), and his involvement was covered by such outlets as The Hollywood Reporter[41]. I'm thankful for the nomination because it gives us a chance to improve the article, although I think the nominator did not do WP:BEFORE by looking up the actor's name with the movie's name (Koza) and addressing those sources. --Habst (talk) 12:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I AM the nominator. Sure, not everyone has the same Google search results. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the excellent find by Habst. A movie about the subject! BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just to be clear, the movie is fiction, about a fictional Olympic champion. This article is about a fighter who badly lost his only Olympic fight in the round of 32. Boxrec shows he won 3 of his 57 pro fights.[42] He's not notable as a boxer, but feel free to debate his notability as an actor. Papaursa (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Pratik Agnihotri[edit]

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Cricket is a negligible sport in Norway and is only practiced in select diaspora communities. That explains why there is not a single - zero - hits in any Norwegian media for Pratik Agnihotri. Google yields LinkedIn and some stat sites. I will defer if there is WP:SIGCOV in other languages. Geschichte (talk) 21:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. AA (talk) 23:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Norway Twenty20 International cricketers Fails WP:GNG, however there is a clear suitable redirect per WP:ATD here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Villowo[edit]

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No evidence of any notability, could not find independent sources with significant attention for the sport. Fram (talk) 07:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. The page does not provide reliable sources showing that the sport meets the general notability guideline. RangersRus (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A non-notable localised sport. AA (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per my check, I found nothing that would make this subject meet WP:GNG. It requires multiple independent, reliable sources with in-depth coverage to establish notability. GrabUp - Talk 17:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Poorly referenced and specific to a crazy sport no corresponding article on another wiki. Svartner (talk) 22:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom. Lacks coverage.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bermuda Smash Invitational[edit]

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Non-notable cricket tournament which fails WP:GNG, WP:NCRIC, and WP:EVENT. AA (talk) 13:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep There is what looks to be WP:GNG on the tournament in media, although a lot of it from Bermudian related sources. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

W. G. Grace's cricket career (1864 to 1870)[edit]

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Too much cruft, must be deleted as per convention to remove the australian fanfict articles Pharaoh496 (talk) 18:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also pinging @JoelleJay @Trainsandotherthings @Serial Number 51429 as I have seen them in support for such article removals Pharaoh496 (talk) 05:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:APPNOTE says "The audience must not be selected on the basis of their opinions—for example, if notices are sent to editors who previously supported deleting an article, then identical notices should be sent to those who supported keeping it." James500 (talk) 04:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naughty, WP:CANVASSing shouldn't be carried out! AA (talk) 12:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is clear WP:CANVASSing of people they expect to vote with them. This canvassing should be considered by the closer of this AFD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AA @James500 like I replied to Joseph2302 on my talk - I have pinged those who also voiced against such votes. The sole purpose of me pinging them was to invite more people into the discussion. I dont cherry pick people of one stance and bring them here. Afaik; thats allowed by the first para in WP:CANVASS. Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ill take that my wording says otherwise - my intentions dont Pharaoh496 (talk) 06:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

Pharaoh496 (talk) 05:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What are you referring to by "australian fanfict articles"? -1ctinus📝🗨 01:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948, discussion to merge completed (please see said discussion)
- Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1956 and Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1953 already merged, deleted earlier. However this set of wg grace articles have hardly one ga, so many stubs and other full of stuff not required. They arent notable enough for wikipedia.
Pharaoh496 (talk) 04:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the two pages was merged they should not have been deleted. Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. If you copy some text from another Wikipedia page it should be clear in the edit summary and/or the talk page where the text came from. Wikipedia is not public domain. Christian75 (talk) 11:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right. I havent done that mate, just nominated these pages Pharaoh496 (talk) 13:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that I was pinged to this discussion, and that I'm not a fan of these articles, I believe we should delete all as fundamental violations of WP:NOT as cricket statistics turned into articles due to one person's consumption by what I like to call the cricket insanity. They are also clearly non-notable as the sources cover Grace's entire career, not simply his performance in any given event. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 20:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably merge the shorter articles, with less referencing, to larger articles covering longer periods of time. These articles do not consist entirely of statistics, though it may be appropriate to cut some material from them. A chronological split of our W G Grace article will satisfy GNG. See, for example, the coverage of the 1880s in Bax's chapter "The Glorious Eighties" [43]; the chapter on Grace in Portraits of the Eighties: [44]; Midwinter's chapters 7 and 8 on 1879 to 1891: [45]; and Darwin's chapter 6 on 1880 to 1891: [46]. So you could certainly write an article on W. G. Grace in the 1880s or the period 1879 to 1891. The question is not whether the main biography article should be split, but how. W G Grace is the subject of a large number of entire books, since he is probably considered the greatest cricketer of all time, so his biography is not realistically going to fit in a single article. James500 (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well other cricketers with longer careers do also have same articles. One new thing that has been inspired from football articles is a seperate career page - Career of Lionel Messi. Since Virat Kohli's page was long, I made this article Career of Virat Kohli. Maybe something similar? Pharaoh496 (talk) 04:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/merge all Is this a mockery of some sort? Sure you can split some details from the main article, but why the hell would you make more than a dozen subarticles, each with just a few paragraphs? WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:NOTSTATS come to mind here, we don't need prose sections for every season with the stats. Reywas92^Talk 20:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I have never looked at these articles before, but would assume they would all be mostly more than a few sentences! The W. G. Grace in the 1878 English cricket season article can be selectively merged. AA (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge – The player is very notable in Cricket, but it is possible to summarize the information in the main article, or recreate it in a less number of forks. Svartner (talk) 22:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just a reminder, you can't argue for a Merge or a Redirect without providing a specific list of what the target article is for each article being discussed. The discussion closer carries out the consensus, they can't make these decisions up on their own. It's the discussants' role to provide a full resolution to an AFD nomination, not just an outcome. Otherwise, the closer might have to dismiss these kinds of opinions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean merging these various articles into something more direct, like "W. G. Grace's cricket career". I understand that it is possible to summarize the main content to avoid this number of forks. Svartner (talk) 08:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Liz, I am not aware of any policy, guideline or consensus that says that. I do not think that is how we normally deal with mass proposals. The number of articles nominated, and the number of book chapters that would have to be examined, would make it difficult to compile a complete list of merger targets in the 7 days of an AfD. I think it is perfectly acceptable to say that articles should be merged in accordance with the scope of the chronological chapters in those books, and then leave the final determination to the WP:PROPMERGE process, which does not have a 7 day deadline. For the avoidance of doubt, I have proposed an intial merge of the relevant three articles to W. G. Grace's life from 1879 to 1891 based on the scope of the book chapters I mentioned. To insist that I provide, within 7 days, a list of each and every other target based on the other chronological chapters in those books (and their chapters are chronological) is certainly obstructive, and might confront me with a WP:FAITACCOMPLIS. I see no reason why a closing admin cannot look at the chronological scope of the chapters of those books. James500 (talk) 15:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why are books even in question? Material / content from books do not have to be entirely pasted on here - WikiPedia isnt an alternative for any book. It should contain all relevant information - there is no point making a page of any period of life for any person. Pharaoh496 (talk) 07:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like I mentioned - a seperate article called Career of W.G. Grace, which is like a few prexisting articles. That covers all Pharaoh496 (talk) 17:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Noting that I was pinged here after having participated in several other cricket career salami-slice article discussions (many non-AfDs). FWIW, I definitely would have !voted in this even without being pinged since I watch the sportspeople delsort. Anyway, I agree with TaOT and AA (!!!) that these articles are not salvageable and should be deleted (with maybe some content from the 1878 one merged?). They are largely prosifications of routine, primary stats reports from CricketArchive with a handful of trivial anecdotes and quotes sprinkled in. If there was anything from these time periods worth including in the main article it would not be from these articles and therefore merging is not appropriate.
As an example, of the 1871 sources: 34/58 sources are stats, corresponding to 1480/2348 words. Of the remainder, 777 are to presumably secondary independent sources, with 640 words outside the lead. Out of those 640, 411 are repeated verbatim (or nearly) in the main page. That leaves the total amount of content that could be merged at 229 words:
Grace turned 23 in July 1871
Grace in 1871 was principally involved with four teams: the Gentlemen, Gloucestershire County Cricket Club, Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) and the United South of England Eleven (USEE).
1871 was a wet summer and, even when the rain relented, there was a persistent chilly wind.[8] Grace, however, had the skill and resilience to cope with adverse conditions and some of his best batting performances were achieved on wet wickets.
This innings was played on a "sticky wicket" after rain and many people considered it the finest of Grace's career, though Grace himself disagreed.
Grace began the innings cautiously and took fifteen minutes to score his first run but then, records Rae, he "scored at a cracking pace".[9] MCC Secretary Harry Perkins had no doubts and insisted that it was Grace's greatest-ever performance with rain frequently stopping play and making the wicket at times "unplayable".
Grace's presence ensured a bumper crowd with over £400 being taken at the gate. This money went a long way towards the £1500 that Nottinghamshire needed to erect the Trent Bridge Pavilion.
Simon Rae remarked that cricket enthusiasts still argue about Grace's "greatest season" and that 1871 features in any such discussion.
He took 79 wickets at 17.02 with a best analysis of 7–67. He claimed five wickets in an innings 5 times and twice had 10 in a match.
The bolded "finest" innings being referred to is from a "Married v. Single" first-class match, which I've gone ahead and merged into the main article (with author attribution). The rest of the material is trivial or would be redundant. Considering the 1871 page is one of the few containing any unique non-trivial, non-primary content, I think it is reasonable to consider the rest of the articles unsalvageable forks that should be deleted rather than merged. JoelleJay (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Cruft-based forks of the main biography. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Parvinder Singh[edit]

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:NCRIC. He has played in domestic-level cricket.. but does not appear to meet the notability requirement maintained by the cricket wikiproject. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. A substantial domestic career, with 8 centuries and a high score of 203 not out; sources in Indian print media are bound to exist, his career isn't one which will go without coverage. AA (talk) 22:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as there doesn't appear to be any significant coverage here. GoldRomean (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - beside his Cricinfo profile which gives a career overview, there looks to be a fair bit of coverage regarding individual innings. Hindustan Times 26 November 2009, Telegraph India 2 November 2013, The Statesman 7 January 2009, Indian Express 20 November 2012. He has played at the highest level of domestic cricket and this seems sufficient coverage to justify an article. --JP (Talk) 08:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Primary match reports are routine news and per NSPORT and NOTNEWS do not count towards notability, and that is all I'm finding for the subject (including among the links above). Sportspeople are required to have IRS SIGCOV cited in their article, regardless of their achievements and regardless of where or when they played. JoelleJay (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SIGCOV not regarding individual matches also exists if you look hard enough. --JP (Talk) 07:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That does go somewhat beyond a routine transactional report, so I'll reconsider my !vote. I'm not overly familiar with what's routine in cricket outside of match reports, though, so I'm going to ping @Wjemather for his input. JoelleJay (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Think there's enough here in what JP has found for a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tommy Sharp[edit]

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I moved this page to draftspace with the reason "No evidence of notability in sources in article, are there better sources (independent sources which discuss him in depth?)". It was moved back to mainspace with the addition of a primary source from his team Livingston, but there still seem to be no good reliable independent sources with significant attention for this player[47], just passing mentions in match reports. Fram (talk) 09:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Florencio Badelic Jr.[edit]

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I'll admit that I'm a bit unsure about this article. There are a lot of citations in the article, but all of them are routine and/or match reports. There seems to be little or no WP:SIGCOV here. Anwegmann (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yaroslav Kysil[edit]

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The only reference I can find on him is, unfortunately, related to the death of his father in the Russo-Ukrainian War. On his own, nothing but match reports and routine coverage—far short of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Monirul Molla[edit]

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I can't find anything beyond match and roster reports—some three years old—that briefly mention him. This may be a WP:TOOSOON situation, but realistically, I think it just fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 00:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Soccer at the 1986 International Cerebral Palsy Games[edit]

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No evidence of notability found. Tournament has no article, match results are missing for many games, sources are databases, location is a small village. Fram (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The location notwithstanding, there is no demonstrable coverage of the event, failing GNG. Geschichte (talk) 07:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Location is important (as part of the rationale) as the village has only a very small football stadium[48], so it's not as if this was an event at some major location with potentially thousands of visitors and an increased chance of good coverage. If this tournament had been played at e.g. the King Baudouin Stadium, then it would seem more likely that there was national or international coverage we just haven't found yet. Fram (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Savić (Serbian footballer)[edit]

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This men's footballer, who seems to have a minor career, last played one appearance for BSK Borca in 2016 before disappearing from the football world. Using his name in Cyrillic (Стефан Савић), my Google search exclusively came up with that Montenegrin footballer; nothing about the Serb with the same birth name. The only reliable source regarding AfD target seems to be Sportski Žurnal when he played for FK Sloga Petrovac na Mlavi in 2015. However, after translation, it's only a passing mention in squad list which definitely doesn't count as significant coverage. Article fails WP:GNG overall. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 11:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Soccer Bowl broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE and WP:LISTCRUFT applies. Fails WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE. Of the sources per WP:RS; besides unsourced, one of those is a blogspot post; of the three offline sources, one is a personal opinion of one of the announcers, anything supporting this list is minimal. Another offline source is an announcement about a deal. A majority of those are WP:PRIMARY, forums and dead links besides the YouTube posts, not offering anything to assert notability. A small section in a main article about broadcasters will be more appropriate than a list about broadcasters. WP:ATD will be a merge to Soccer Bowl. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexandre Castaing[edit]

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Several searches in both English and French came up with nothing but match reports, databases, and bit references with no substance. This player certainly exists, but he lacks WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am having a hard time finding enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. Please ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Polniš[edit]

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Young Slovak footballer who just started his career on the unremarkable second tier. Fails GNG in that a search yielded no significant and/or independent sources whatsoever. Contested draft. I don't see this being more notable in 6 months time. Geschichte (talk) 21:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no decent coverage found. The only source giving him more than a passing mention is FC ŠTK 1914 Šamorín, which is obviously not independent. Creator has a possible WP:COI as, in their whole time here, they have only written about Polniš who, on the face of it, seems to be nothing more than your average semi-pro youth footballer. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. He may become notable one day, but nothing indicates at the moment. Svartner (talk) 00:29, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Poorly formatted and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, also is there a WP:COI with user Pplbk with this article and the other article FC ŠTK 1914 Šamorín... Something feels iffy. Govvy (talk) 22:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ladislav Nagy (footballer)[edit]

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Slovak footballer who played 3 minutes on the first tier before dipping into the second tier and then disappearing. Fails GNG in that there is a lack of significant and/or independent sources for a biography. Geschichte (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Possibly WP:TOOSOON... Anwegmann (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Michaels[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG, with no significant secondary coverage in RS. The best I could find in a WP:BEFORE search was a few interviews in essentiallysports.com, and the rest is social media, press releases, and some coverage in WP:THESUN and WP:DAILYEXPRESS. Strong aroma of UPE here, including this addition today of a selfie, unavailable on the source claimed at Commons.

Please note that the first AFD was about a writer and filmmaker, and not about the football businessman. Wikishovel (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Obviously promotional. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Almost feels like self-promotion. Anwegmann (talk) 21:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Does feel somewhat promo, agree with nomination, this should be a straight up delete. Govvy (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Šimon Horniak[edit]

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Now, this is a Slovak footballer who seems to fail WP:GNG massively. Had a first-tier career that lasted one or two minutes, and nothing in the way of biographical sourcing. Geschichte (talk) 16:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 09:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – I can't find any coverage of him on Slovak news websites. SME sub-website My Nitra is only a passing mention in squad announcement, and very unlikely to coverage due to being paywalled. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sergey Vabishchevich[edit]

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Despite a few games for Dinamo Brest many years ago, I can't find any WP:SIGCOV of the footballer of this name. I found kick-off.by and football.by but neither of these are even close to significant. There is a basketball player with the same name but they are different people as the basketball player celebrates his birthday on 4 June. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Several games and then nothing at all. Fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:55, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Artem Zhurko[edit]

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Has only played 20 minutes of football to date with no sign of meeting WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. I found only a trivial mention in Tribuna and 2 passing mentions in football.by when searching in Russian and Belarusian. The other Wikipedia projects only have trivial coverage of him. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Only sources are player profiles and I could not find anything else to meet WP:NFOOTY or WP:GNG. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sudirman (footballer, born 1983)[edit]

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Footballer with brief career and with no evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC being met. The best that I can find is Antara Foto, an image caption. Searching was made difficult by the fact that he shares his name with Piala Jenderal Sudirman, the name of a football competition. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Literally nothing here. Clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miroslav Hýll[edit]

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This AfD may be the same issue as with Kristína Panáková AfD back in November 2023, except it's about a former men's footballer. He has played hundred of career games in total and even appeared for his national team, but fails WP:GNG due to lack of in-depth coverage. I'm struggling to find enough sufficient sources as this article has been written terribly with possible dubious stories for years, so does corresponding Slovak Wikipedia, which would help copy over English article otherwise (I already checked and translated it). Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I don't see the problem here. He played on a reasonably high level for many years, and the multitude of sources clearly chronicle what he achieved during his career, which was far from negligible. Dubious stories are subject to cleanup and not a matter for AFD. Geschichte (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I don't understand Slovak to give an opinion, and the article in English is the best developed in relation to cs and sk, but the athlete appears to have good coverage in the local media. Svartner (talk) 03:34, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you once tried translating the corresponding article for such footballers? I found a lot of them to be far well-written from English article. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:08, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article clearly needs additional cleanup and sources, but six international caps, high level football suggests there is far more to add. Govvy (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - sufficient sources and a strong claim to notability. Giant Snowman 10:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Clearly meets WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Josef Kopecký[edit]

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With only database source listed, the article of this one-time Olympics participant clearly fails WP:GNG. According to Results on Sports Reference, Kopecký was not in the top three winners of 1936 Summer Olympics. He also had not gained any medal record. My Google search came up with similar namesakes.

I would also consider footballer of the same name for deletion due to possible dubious info. I also couldn't find anything to verify his death; EU-football.info stated that he played two games each for Meteor Prague and now-defunct Bohemia national football team. Unlike the shooter, footballer has corresponding article on Czech Wikipedia but it's an unsourced stub.

Josef Kopecký (footballer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Delete both - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Josef Kopecký to Shooting at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 25 metre rapid fire pistol, Delete Josef Kopecký (footballer). Couldn't find sufficient sources for either to pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Josef Kopecký to Shooting at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 25 metre rapid fire pistol, Delete Josef Kopecký (footballer) per User:Suonii180. FromCzech (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Job Bogmis[edit]

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None of the sources used contribute to notability: #1, #3 are interviews, #4 is not an independent source (associated with the team of the University he was playing for), #2 does not show significant coverage. I could not find other sources to fulfill WP:GNG. Broc (talk) 07:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I found [49], [50], [51], and [52] among many more Spanish sources.

This source "analysis" is infuriating and incorrect... all the sources have secondary coverage ("In Cameroon he spent all day working on whatever he could to help his large family. They had nothing left over. The ball was just entertainment... he has the African presence in his game. Dizzying power and potency... Bogmis has always been a believer, but his faith became more intense during lockdown... he was a figure in the UdeC title in youth football", "Originally from Yaoundé, the capital of the African country... a loan, the difficulties of the climate and language, the desire to return to his country during the pandemic and endless obstacles he had to overcome before his sweet present, the one that has him as one of the figures to follow in the 'B' during this 2022", "The story of Job Bogmis is that of a fighter full of dreams. He arrived in 2019 with three young people from Cameroon. They were all promised heaven, but some were left stranded in Temuco and he was the only one who continued in soccer... He speaks Spanish better and better, he no longer needs a translator", "the cold, the difficulties with the language and the few opportunities left him alone very soon. Today, at 22 years old, he dreams of being recognized for his talent, although his team is in last place in the Primera B standings... plays on the right wing, his pass is worth $200,000 and he was the last victim of verbal violence on the Chilean fields")

the reason the third source is "associated" with the team he played for was because it was from the same city... like seriously? Young player with onoging career in Chilean pro soccer that will definielt get many more sources in his ongoing pro career as well. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 13:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject has received enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. ~~As Das osmnezz points out, source #4 is not associated with the UdeC team, but rather an independent publication: Diario Concepción [es].~~ JTtheOG (talk) 01:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JTtheOG that's not correct. The newspaper is fully owned by Universidad de Concepción, and the club is as well. No source in this article meets all criteria for notability: either they are not secondary, not independent, or don't show significant coverage. One single source from a university newspaper, even if it was independent (and it isn't!) is not enough to show notability. Broc (talk) 12:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct. That specific source is not independent. JTtheOG (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per all above. Svartner (talk) 08:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG. Far too many quotes in those articles. Claiming racist abuse doesn't give sigcov. Dougal18 (talk) 09:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I provided secondary coverage from each source above... If I'm not mistaken, most articles about people are a mix of quotes with secondary coverage... I never said "claiming racist abuse gives sigcov" and even the source about that provides seocndary coverage of him as well as background info and important context... Young player with onoging career in Chilean pro soccer that will definielt get many more sources in his ongoing pro career as well. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep—Sources clearly show WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Willian Forte[edit]

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Professional player with a career that started in 2019 and without any activity since 2022 [53]. There appears to be a spell at SE Palmeiras but I didn't find anything. Fails in WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 08:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Non-notable topic due to a lack of significant coverage of the subject.—Alalch E. 10:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of notability with almost no sourcing. Haruka Amaranth 13:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Liga 1 U-16[edit]

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Same reason as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Liga 1 U-14. Quoting from there: "Football tournament for children supported by a couple of primary sources. Utterly insignificant within the football world, fails WP:SIGCOV". Geschichte (talk) 22:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – And delete for 2018 Liga 1 U-16, 2019 Liga 1 U-20, 2019 Liga 1 U-18, 2019 Liga 1 U-16, 2022 Liga 1 U-18. All fail flagrantly in WP:GNG, as they are editions of a youth competition with no relevance. Svartner (talk) 07:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NSEASONS, we should avoid low level youth football. Govvy (talk) 07:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:NSEASONS or WP:GNG because of a lack of significant, independent coverage from RS. Instagram posts don't cut it for notability. Let'srun (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Obviously fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 22:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Myong Song-chol[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this the same Myong Song-chol that was elected to the parliament? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG and it doesn't seem possible to find out if the athlete has a relevant career in local politics. Svartner (talk) 03:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Not enough international appears to make up for lack of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jo Hye-hyok[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jin In-chol[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Do we know his Korean name? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Football at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#North Korea. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – As done in others similars AfD. Svartner (talk) 22:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Govvy (talk) 07:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Anwegmann (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gasper Crasto[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. Apart from a lot of trivial mentions, I found a few promotional pieces about his book (1, 2, 3), all of which let us know that the book "is available on Flipkart, and on Amazon for a price of Rs 650 in India, €14.23 in UK, and $14.90 in USA." JTtheOG (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Page seems like advertisement and WP:PROMO on the subject, likely for the sale of books he has written. The sources do not have any significant coverage on the subject as footballer or even as an author. None of his achievements have any great coverage worthy of notice in the media. This page fails WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 12:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Played football at the highest level in Goa, is that significant? Atlantic306 (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I read through that, and half way through it blatantly felt PROMO, I would go as far to say as I feel this should be WP:G11. Govvy (talk) 09:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I had that inclination as well but chose to err on the safe side. The article turned six years old yesterday, if you could believe it. JTtheOG (talk) 16:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – @User:Rejoy2003 made a considerable amount of contributions to the article, I would like to see your arguments. Svartner (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @User:Svartner My edits have solely been copyedits and grammar fixes, apart from working on the article lead, I don't remember adding any content, as the article is mostly as it is. I believe the subject is notable, although the references mentioned in the article may not contribute to its notability. The guy is a former footballer, having played for Salgaocar FC during the 1980s/1990s, they used to compete in the National Football League (India), the then highest men's football league in India. If we consider WP:NSPORT, the subject can pass notability. Goa being part of India and the presence of online media active during the 1990s seem difficult to find. Most of the sources of such people maybe available in old archives or newspapers, since the state of Goa has only been much active with the online media in the 2010s. After retirement, the subject seems to have also hosted a global Goan event known as the World Goa Today [54], even active in singing [55]. He also seems to have played/or is playing amateur football with former players from Salgoacar FC [56]. See O Heraldo search results of his name here [57]. Also he seems to have been based in Kuwait [58] or Qatar (see O Heraldo), which may be one of the reasons why there isn't much references from Goa-based or other Indian media. I'm not too familiar with the Arab news sources, apart from Arab Times, to which he has also contributed as a writer see [59]. If somehow this AFD does result in a keep, maybe an editor could tone down the promotional content. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 05:27, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For me this is enough to establish WP:GNG and keep. Svartner (talk) 04:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone mind presenting the WP:THREE best sources? JTtheOG (talk) 17:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete—Not seeing anything that clearly points toward WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Josue Danny Ortiz Trophy[edit]

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Award fails WP:GNG and WP:NAWARD. Extremely limited sources that even mention the award; the two in the story include WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in discussion of Danny Ortiz. Additional sources not included are also trivial mentions that do not provide significant coverage. Propose to redirect to Danny Ortiz. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Danny Ortiz as possible search term. Giant Snowman 19:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Valmir Nafiu[edit]

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Does not appear to pass WP:GNG or any of the WP:SPORTS criteria. None of the other language wikis have sources that are either a)independent or b) provide significant coverage of the subject. Doing WP:BEFORE reveals only a few pieces of routine coverage. Out of the sources here: [1] and [2] go in depth, and seem to be independent. No clue about reliability.

[5],[6],[7],[9] aren't independent, due to being published by his former club.

[8] does not mention him.

[3]&[4] are just routine coverage mentioning that he played in a certain match.

[10] is a data base entry, which isn't in-depth.

This leaves us with two sources, both of which were published the last time this article was deleted.

(Disclaimer: found this page through a CCI, and I've deleted a paragraph over copyright concerns. The only source I deleted, however, also did not mention the subject.) GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. None of the sources in the article are independent, as the first two are by the governing sports org. Still fails GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 01:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yes the article has weak sources which are pretty much primary sources, but that doesn't negate the article, it needs a clean up. Besides you have other sources at de:Valmir Nafiu, [60], [61], [62], [63], [64], [65], lots more with stuff on him, poor nomination, WP:BEFORE clearly not done correctly in my opinion.. Govvy (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The German wiki has 9 sources, 7 of which are not independent. Of the other 2, one is stats and the other contains little info on him. Your sources are interviews, non independent websites and match reports which isn't sigcov. Dougal18 (talk) 09:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...Did you actually read those sources? They clearly do not amount to GNG coverage. 1: interview by his football club N. 2: interview in Telegrafi with 1 independent sentence on him N. 3: his football club N. 4: part of 1 sentence in a routine transaction announcement N. 5: part of 1 sentence in a routine match recap N. 6: 1 sentence in a routine match recap N. If you're going to accuse others of being lazy with their BEFOREs maybe don't use such obviously garbage sources as examples of what they missed. JoelleJay (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources below which show notability. Giant Snowman 07:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I think important context is needed here... The sources do have secondary coevrage and even then if you look at Macedonian media it tends to cover players in the form of seemingly "routine" media (see [66], [67], and [68], as opposed to e.g. Indonesian media which tends to write about players in more long-form profiles). He has been covered by various Macedonian news outlets. As a result, I feel that the fact that he has received lots of coverage by many Macedonian outlets in the form of shorter seemingly "routine" articles ([69], [70], [71] etc, has Wikipedia pages in eight languages and has played in German Bundesliga, made 100+ appearances and helped Macedonian team win three keague titles and has ongoing career is enough all put together. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are "seemingly routine" because they are routine... those are all routine transaction announcements and match reports, which we see loads of for every footballer. Which source specifically meets SPORTCRIT's requirement for IRS SIGCOV? JoelleJay (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, leaving aside the first three links, because they're not about this footballer, [10], as JoelleJay caught, is a site run by the governing sports organization and can't help show notability due to lack of independence. I clicked on a few links from [12], which is when I noticed that none of those pages had an author listed. Looking at the site a bit further, their about page reveals this:
Through "TEAM" readers receive original, exclusive, but primarily verified, reliable and accurate information. In addition to the team of professional sports journalists, the top Macedonian athletes in the role of columnists have their own space and say in "TEAM".

Given that the articles written by athletes don't seem labeled, we're going to have a really hard time verifying that anything in this site is independent. And, given that this is a WP:BLP, I don't think articles with unclear authorship can even be used. Can they?

And as for the links in [11]- The previews just seem routine, but I clicked on them all only to get 404 pages. I've been having lots of trouble with Internet Archive for the past day, and I don't feel like struggling with it for what seems to be, again, routine coverage.

@GiantSnowman I trust your judgement, and you obviously saw something I'm missing. Could you give me the sources you saw that show notability? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – In fact, there seems to be a lack of independent sources that provide more in-depth coverage (the best one is from KF Shkendija's own website), but the recreation of the article does not seem to be in bad faith, SALT would be too much. Svartner (talk) 03:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Svartner:, For further context, see my comment above, (GiantSnowman has also changed his vote to keep). Thanks Das osmnezz (talk) 07:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, the best source is from the player's own club. For me it is a case of weak keep, but it is on the limit to establish WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 00:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's always routine coverage, talking about parts a player played in a game, Cristiano Ronaldo has huge amounts of what you call routine coverage. You people voting to delete never look at the cumulative amount of sources. This players has more than enough cumulative sourcing to pass WP:BASIC. Govvy (talk) 10:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Obvious keep. Had a long, established first-team career, and the sources shown clearly meet WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources? Because, so far, nobody's linked to any source that is independent, reliable, or gives WP:SIGCOV, so I'm not sure how they can count to the GNG. Could you please link the ones you found convincing? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Govvy's and Das osmnezz's comments above. Also, as Govvy argues immediately above, collective effect is important and real. Anwegmann (talk) 22:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Govvy gave no independent or significant sources- just interviews, database entries, and routine coverage. Das osmnezz also linked to no sources- just a search result, which was annoying seeing as they specifically filtered one of their search results to a non-independent site, but none of the sources seemed to help the subject pass the GNG. I would just like a link to one source that is independent, provides significant coverage, and is reliable. If the subject "clearly" passes the GNG, this should not be hard to provide, and we shouldn't have to fall on a "collaborative effort" style argument.

I also disagree with Govy's interpretation of WP:BASIC, which establishes that
trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability
but I suppose that's a point of policy for the closer to decide. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see any independant source, sorry. --SGaurier (talk) 23:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Francis Mensah[edit]

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no WP:SIGCOV demonstrated. The best that I can find are Abidjan 1 and Abidjan 2, both passing mentions in Ivorian media. The Feyenoord mentioned is the one in Ghana, not the Dutch team. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I fixed the link to the Voice of America article, which seems pretty good. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 12:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for restoring it. I'm not going to withdraw this AfD yet as I don't think that it's enough on its own for a GNG pass. The coverage is Fifteen-year-old Francis Joe Mensah is one of the academy's best players, a lightning-quick, technically solid, left back, who can also play left wing. He predicts he will make it in Europe. He says he has no fear of failure. followed by a quote from the subject. I also think WP:YOUNGATH might apply given the age of the subject at the time (the coverage does not seem to be substantial and prolonged). I'd be interested to know what others think. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. One source on its own not enough. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:49, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete—There's nothing here. Played for an academy and then disappeared. No WP:SIGCOV shown at all. Anwegmann (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Nanetti[edit]

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This footballer, who seems to have never played in the top 3 tiers in Italy or top 4 tiers in England, was deemed non-notable in an AfD discussion in 2020. I can't find signicant coverage in reliable sources published since then that would suggest he is now notable – per WP:GNG, as WP:NFOOTBALL is obsolete. The article content is not the same as the version deleted in 2020, so WP:CSD#G4 does not apply. ^Complex/_Rational 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I found [72], [73], [74], [75], [76], [77], [78], [79], [80] among many more English and Italian sources. Clearly siginifciant figure in English lower league football with extnsive career. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of these sources, The Sun and Daily Mail are not considered reliable (deprecated, as documented at WP:RS/PS), and several others are blogs/tabloids which have similar shortcomings. Is there anything in more reputed sources such as BBC, Sky News, The Guardian, etc.? ^Complex/_Rational 20:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. seems okay, but not sure it's WP:SIGCOV, 2. per WP:THESUN, The Sun is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability, 3. very short, mostly quotes 4. short, mostly quotes, 5. a Wordpress blog – is the author a "subject-matter expert"?, 6. very short, mostly quotes, 7. short, mostly quotes, 8. one sentence mentions him, 9. per WP:DAILYMAIL, The Daily Mail is deprecated and its articles do not contribute to notability. So, of the nine sources you listed, one might be SIGCOV. Based on these sources alone, I don't see that Nannetti's a clearly significiant figure in English lower league football. Robby.is.on (talk) 20:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Per @Das osmnezz. Svartner (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, All many the sources from a variety of newspapers/news portals above are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not consider The Sun reliable for anything. Giant Snowman 08:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman:, Even besides that, my other points still stand. Put together, even without the "tabloid newspapers", all the other sources from the newspapers and news portals like Gianlucadimzarzio show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 10:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed your sources prior to my !vote and nothing has changed my mind since. Giant Snowman 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article fail WP:SIRS, and the sources listed above none are independent significal coverage addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found listings, name mentions, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 23:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I don't think the heavily-interview-based sources noted above are enough for GNG. Tabloids and other deprecated sources obviously are unacceptable in BLPs and should be removed on-sight. JoelleJay (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the sources are about him and go into his background and show secondary coverage and the Sun is considered by some to be reliable for sports. Put together, all these sources about him show that he has been a clear topic of interest in English lower league football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Sun is most certainly not reliable for BLPs, which require high-quality sourcing. JoelleJay (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - my stance hasn't changed since my original source analysis at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Nanetti. I'm not convinced that any of the new sources in this discussion address the previous reasons for deletion. Those that offer more than trivial coverage are of questionable reliability as addressed several times above; The Sun, Daily Mail and Wordpress are not acceptable sources for BLPs and do not confer notability in any case. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Definitely enough to pass WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Álvarez (footballer)[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Has only two datbase entry / stats sources. Main statement is that he was on the team for a South American championship but didn't play. North8000 (talk) 14:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: From the DICCIONARIO BIOGRAFICO DEL FUTBOL BOLIVIANO (1930-2000):

"Nombre completo: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Apodo: La “Araña negra”. Nacimiento: Cochabamba, 6 de julio de 1933. Posición: Guardameta, No 1. Padres: ..... Esposa: ..... Hijos: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Estudios: Primaria Escuela Carrillo, Secundaria Colegio Carrillo de Cochabamba. Otros Estudios: INSEF. Profesor de Educación Física. Cursos de Dirección Técnica. Clubes: En el Club 31 de Octubre (1963), de La Paz. Participación en la selección: Es Campeón Sudamericano de 1963. Jugó por la selección boliviana dos partidos oficiales (1963-1965) y fue batido en tres oportunidades. Es Campeón Sudamericano Invicto 1963. No tuvo participación oficial en dicho campeonato figurando en la banca. Dirección Técnica: Fue Preparador Físico en The 16 Strongest (1990). Otros Datos: Practicó el Atletismo, el Básquetbol, el Voleibol y el Fútbol. Distinciones: El gobierno mediante la repartición respectiva condecoró con la Medalla al Mérito Deportivo en el Grado de Caballero del Deporte, al cumplirse los 40 años de la conquista del XXI Campeonato Sudamericano. Además de ser acreedor a la pensión vitalicia de 4 sueldos mínimos mensuales."

There is also a bit of coverage here, which although not published in a reliable source, is definitely more evidence of notability. JTtheOG (talk) 17:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @GiantSnowman: What's wrong with the ~170 word encyclopedia entry listed above? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Based on Google Translate, it covers the names of his children and the schools he went to in brief list form, and then briefly covers his playing career and then his pension... it's not enough on its own. Giant Snowman 15:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  It gives a decent enough bit of coverage for SIGCOV I think:

Full name: Isaac Álvarez Moscoso. Nickname: The “Black Spider”. Birth: Cochabamba, July 6, 1933. Position: Goalkeeper, No 1. Parents: ..... Wife: ..... Children: Jorge Isaac, Jenny Carmiña, Martín Erick. Studies: Primary School Carrillo, Secondary School Carrillo de Cochabamba. Other Studies: INSEF. Physical Education Teacher. Technical Management Courses. Clubs: At the 31 de Octubre Club (1963), in La Paz. Participation in the national team: He is the 1963 South American Champion. He played for the Bolivian team in two official matches (1963-1965) and was beaten three times. He is the 1963 Undefeated South American Champion. He had no official participation in said championship, appearing on the bench. Technical Direction: He was a Physical Trainer on The 16 Strongest (1990). Other Information: He played Athletics, Basketball, Volleyball and Soccer. Distinctions: The government, through the respective distribution, awarded the Medal of Sports Merit in the Degree of Knight of Sports, on the 40th anniversary of the conquest of the XXI South American Championship. In addition to being a creditor of the lifetime pension of 4 minimum monthly salaries

- Probably could use more sources though... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The above source is pretty comprehensive and he definetly has more offline sources, having won the 1963 South American Championship with the Bolivia national team. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete—One unsourced encyclopedia entry means very little. In my view, this does not come close to sustained and significant coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 21:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. I actually think the encyclopedia entry does show prominence, especially as it mentions that he was given what seems to be a prominent sports medal by the government and that the Bolivian government granted him a lifetime pension for his sporting career. The blog post, while a blog, should also be considered here as it mentions he was "one of the glories" (of his club?). Considering that no Bolivian sources from the time have been searched, I'd lean towards keeping, considering that it is highly likely someone of such prominence would receive SIGCOV and we already arguably have SIGCOV in the encyclopedia entry for WP:SPORTCRIT. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You make good points. I think a "no consensus" is probably the best outcome here, as this article needs a deeper dive. Anwegmann (talk) 01:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Tjåland[edit]

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This succumbed to an AFD before, but since then it has been recreated due to "coverage in international media". It happened at a time when the player was looking to be moving up in the football hierarchy, but with all due respect to the player, the career has stagnated, which I think allows us to see the subject in a clearer light. In an encyclopedic sence, Albert Tjåland fails WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:SUSTAINED, WP:TOOSOON, WP:SIRS and as a consequence WP:SPORTCRIT.

ABT was a child whom international media took a novelty interest to.
His football career has not panned out. He plays on the fourth tier, has never played a league game for a first team, only reaching as far as appearing 6 times on Bryne's bench - as well as playing a cup game for Molde, which for WP:PEACOCK reasons is called "a professional debut". Nothing he has done remotely resembles a significant accomplishment within sport.
While there was coverage in many countries, there reports about various accomplishments in children's games lack significance, and was all the more packed with speculation and hot air. A big breakthrough is not currently looming on the horizon, and while it might of course happen one day, we have the too soon guideline for a reason.
The press coverage was exclusively motivated by him having a famous relative. Albert and Erling have similar names and likenesses, and joined the same club (Molde) as a youth player. Take the relative out of the equation, and what are you left with? Notability is not inherited from relatives. Geschichte (talk) 09:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no significant coverage, just churnalism. As I took the time to explain why I think so above, I think you should explain your view as well. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You call it churnalism, I call it journalism. Ortizesp (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per Ortizesp. Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources already. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. My further thoughts are that the keep opinions are annulled by their lack of explanation and non-existing response as to the nomination statement, which detailed a failure of several policies. "significant coverage" and "many good sources" are unfounded opinions; "ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team" is false, Tjåland has an ongoing career with a semi-pro B team on the fourth tier. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Each of the keep assertions in this process make claims of notability. Let's examine those claims: 1) Passes WP:GNG with WP:Significant coverage? The burden is on those wanting to keep, and this page is wanting sourcing which directly details, as WP:SPORTSPERSON requires. 2) Young player with ongoing career with pro Norwegian top flight team and many good sources? So what? None of those adjectives or sources directly details the subject in multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. We have stats and routine sportsnews mostly linked to a relative. This is a biography for a living person. Delete. BusterD (talk) 14:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify—This is very obviously an example of WP:TOOSOON. Anwegmann (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Golf[edit]

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Golf Course News International[edit]

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Looking through the sources, I'm not finding any evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage of this apparently defunct publication. Basically all of the coverage of the publication revolves around its disastrous raunchy 2006 rebrand. The only mainstream source I can find covering the publication in any detail is an article in the Independent from 2006 covering the rebrand, along with a very brief article in Press Gazette covering a hiring decision the same year, with other coverage of the rebrand in the niche Golf Business News also in 2006. There's also a 2006 public statement by ex publication head Trevor Ledger in Pitchcare regarding the rebrand. Either way, even if these niche golf sources counted, it still wouldn't pass WP:SUSTAINED due to all the sources being from 2006. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can't find anything about event for recent news. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Handball[edit]

New Capital Sports Hall[edit]

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Small sports stadium lacking in depth coverage in reliable independent sources. Mccapra (talk) 07:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep What do you mean with small sports? Handball is the second biggest team sport after football in the world. For your information the WC 2019 which was played in this hall hat at cumulative TV audience of 1.2 billion. Now to the hall if you google the Arabic name "الصالة الرياضية بالعاصمة الإدارية الجديدة" there are some stories like: [81], [82], [83], [84] 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 09:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that the hall itself is small, not that the sports it hosts are small. As to the sources you’ve provided above, none of them offers in depth coverage of this particular hall. They just confirm it exists, that it seats 7500-8000 people and it’s part of the larger Olympic complex. They are either about the handball matches or about the Olympic city. The sports complex as a whole looks notable and therefore potentially a redirect target, but it doesn’t seem to have been written yet. Mccapra (talk) 14:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I think the sports hall is good enough with sourcing and notability to be kept here. While Arabic sources may not be the best, they do help fill the gap in sourcing. Old-AgedKid (talk) 10:26, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, If the article stays, it should be on the proviso of improving it and adding a lot more to it. Shouldn't stay as 2 lines. MaskedSinger (talk) 05:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There isn’t really anything to add though, that’s the problem. It’s not an expandable stub. Mccapra (talk) 15:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

nothing at all? MaskedSinger (talk) 16:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ice hockey[edit]

MonkeySports[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. All the coverage I find is WP:ROUTINE and doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I don't see sources out there. This article reads as WP:PROMO. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:CORPDEPTH. The only sources I see do not provide significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 03:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, doesn't pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eissporthalle Iserlohn[edit]

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No refs on the page for many years. Nothing to add from the article on de.wiki. not seeing much else which could be considered against the inclusion criteria JMWt (talk) 14:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Iserlohn Roosters, whose home stadium this is - WP:ATD. Ingratis (talk) 18:17, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added some references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eastmain. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Martial arts[edit]

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Charli Evans[edit]

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Fails WP:NSPORT. No reliable sources in the article or online. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing found about this person, sourcing is largely match reports in non-RS. Oaktree b (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: (Keep) She is one of the most popular active female Australian wrestlers and a pioneer of Pro-Wrestling: EVE. Has worked for companies from three different continents and is accomplished. As for the sourcing, the article includes links to trustworthy sites such as fightful.com, voicesofwrestling.com, Squared Circle Sirens, Diva Dirt or Last Word on Pro Wrestling. They might not point her name out, but they clearly demonstrate her work. There also exist several interviews with her from YahooSports and WrestleSports. Unfortunately I didn't include them since they are only audio work. I think she meets the notability criterias and I strongly believe that this article should remain on the mainspace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeyReydar97 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Azim Badakhshi[edit]

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The first nomination was withdrawn and not properly discussed. I am not convinced the subject meets the criteria for "Sport personality" according to WP:SPORTSPERSON. I would like to discuss it further as the subject does not meet WP:NMMA criteria. Having fought in ACB, AFC, Brave FC, is not enough and the subject has not been ranked in the world top 10 as per WP:NMMA. Lekkha Moun (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I withdrawn my request cuz as a Persian language user I find and confirm the authenticity of the sources which meet WP:SPORTSPERSON clearly:
- BBC (1) (2)
- The Independent (3)
- Hindustan Times (4) (5) (6)
- Afghanistan International (7) (8) (9) (10) (11)
- ESPN (12) (13)
- UFC (14)
- The Print (15) (16)
- Radio Azadi (17) (18) (19) (20) (21)

Claggy (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Greetings, Your concern is understandable. But He clearly meet WP:SPORTSPERSON and Wp:Bio , Despite of being a athlete, He has become a national symbol in Afghanistan, with support from the Millions of Afghans including former President, ministers, and other officials who recognize his achievements.

His journey is completely motivator for new generation in Afghanistan and India. Besides his sports career, he is a successful motivator, investor, and human rights activist, I hope this satisfies your concerns.Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 22:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WITHDRAWN

Withdrawal of my request because added WP:RSP. Currently meet WP:SPORTSPERSON. Claggy (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Azim Badakhshi[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NMMA Claggy (talk) 01:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep It meet WP:SPORTSPERSON and WP:ANYBIO. I understand your concern regarding the notability of Abdul Azim Badakhshi on WP. However, Abdul Azim Badakhshi's unique background as Businessmen, social media personality and both an Pro-MMA athlete and a Pro-kickboxer sets him apart. While some athlete may not meet the notability criteria, Badakhshi's multifaceted sports career warrants recognition. Moreover, his status as a public figure in Afghanistan and india further emphasizes his significance. ==hampionship Status==: Abdul Azim Badakhshi's title as the AFC (Afghanistan Fighting Championship) Champion in the 76 kg weight class is a notable achievement in a recognized MMA organization. His participation in significant MMA events, including the main card of AFC - Afghanistan Fighting Championship 3,Brave CF 47 - Brave Combat Federation 47: Asian Domination, ACB 86 - Moscow highlights his prominence in the sport.

Media Coverage: Badakhshi has received substantial media coverage, with in-depth articles profiling his career and contributions to MMA. According to WP , a sportsperson is presumed to be notable if they have won a significant honor and received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. Badakhshi meets this criterion, indicating sufficient sources to meet the general notability guideline (GNG).

WP:BIOFAMILY Abdul Azim Badakhshi being the son-in-law of Jackie Shroff, one of the most famous actors in Bollywood cinema, has always been a headline in Indian news. Their relationship has garnered millions of fans in India. This has led Badakhshi to become a public figure in India as well. https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/tiger-shroff-wishes-sister-krishna-shroff-on-her-birthday-gifts-her-a-trip-to-maldives-for-one-person-only-101642752859707.html

https://www.bollywoodshaadis.com/articles/meet-tiger-shroffs-sister-krishna-shroff-mma-trained-non-celeb-status-reality-show-debut-more-52002

Business and Social media personality Abdul Azim Badakhshi has extended his influence beyond the MMA ring into business and social media. He has invested in fitness and sports-related ventures, promoting health and wellness through training facilities that support aspiring athletes.

On social media, Badakhshi has garnered a substantial following on platforms like Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. His engaging content, including training videos and motivational posts, connects with millions of fans. He uses his platform to advocate for social causes, such as human rights and youth empowerment, making him a respected public figure.

Through his business ventures and active social media presence, Abdul Azim Badakhshi has become a multifaceted personality, inspiring many both in and out of the sports world.

I hope this information clarifies Abdul Azim Badakhshi’s notability. Thank you for considering this evidence. I am open to further discussion and additional sources if needed to support the inclusion of this article.Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Parwiz ahmadi He doesn't meet WP:ANYBIO cuz not received any significant award or honor. WP:SPORTSPERSON also doesn't meet cuz no any WP:RSP in article. Son-in-law of Jackie Shroff doesn't meet notability guideline cuz WP:NOTGENEALOGY. Claggy (talk) 20:45, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please have a look at this (https://www.independentpersian.com/node/199151/%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%B2%D8%B4/%D9%BE%DB%8C%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2%DB%8C-%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%B2%D8%B4%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%BA%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%B2%D8%B1%DA%AF%E2%80%8C%D8%AA%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B1%D8%B2%D9%85%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%87%D9%86%D8%AF)

As I seen WP:RSP , The independent is considered as reliable source Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 22:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please have a look at this https://www.bbc.com/persian/afghanistan-43362531 , As of WP:RSP BBC is considered reliable source. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 22:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The former President of the Republic of Afghanistan, Mohammad

Ashraf Ghani,

congratulated the victory of Abdul azim Badakhshi, the athlete of this country, who was able to defeat his Azerbaijani opponent Gishan Babayev in Bahrain.

Mr. Ghani said that Abdul Azim Badbakhshi and other athletes of this country are the representatives of modern Afghanistan and the guardians of the values of the last two decades, who have proudly represented their nation in various sports arenas.

see this BBC post on social media

https://web.facebook.com/bbcpersian/photos/a.10150584966992713/10158961187972713/?type=3&_rdc=1&_rdr

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San Jose Taiko[edit]

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While previously deleted for G11, this time the page has been written in a more encyclopedic tone. Unfortunately, there is just not any coverage that I can find. BrigadierG (talk) 20:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References to published academic work demonstrating the significance of this organization to the art of taiko in North America have been added, as well as national recognition from the NEA for the original managing director and artistic director of the organization. 31N2024 (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Coverage is in primary or non-RS. I don't find anything beyond them performing at various venues. This also appears PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 02:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has the nominator accessed the book coverage now referenced in the article which boasts of two books having 23 page coverage of this band? Atlantic306 (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1996 South African Touring Car Championship[edit]

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Contested draftification. Article is completely unsourced and barely has any content. Also, context is insufficient and leaves a lot to be desired. Editor has created several of these articles, which have only been tagged as "unsourced". I suggest returning to draftspace so it can be improved there. No objection to deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify Article needs work (a lot of it) before it is ready for the mainspace, however the information included can be verified in a number of secondary sources, even if refs aren't currently included. And while I acknowledge its prematurely been moved to the mainspace, based on the date stamps this AfD was initiated within a few hours of the article's creation. There is a reasonable potential that it can be improved. For those reasons I'm unwilling to !vote delete at this stage. Dfadden (talk) 04:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NASCAR on television in the 1980s[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, TV schedules, those centrally about the season with the broadcasting being merely mentions and most of those being YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The events themselves are notable but the topic of whether they appeared or not on television is not. This serves as one massive collection of YouTube links. Ajf773 (talk) 09:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I personally find what networks aired what races interesting, but how it is presented in these decade articles is underwhelming (I understand why these pages will probably be deleted). It's also missing what is highly relevant information (up until the late 80s) regarding what sort of broadcast individual races received: live flag-to-flag coverage, joined in progress, tape delayed, condensed tape delayed, or not broadcast at all. The best place for that would be the individual season articles, though. They already have a section listing the entire schedule of races (not the partial schedules we see in some of these articles). A column for the TV network would be simple enough to add to that table and any out of the ordinary details about the nature of the broadcasts could be added to the sections for the individual races (probably not the broadcasting teams since that would be fairly repetitious). --NHL04 (talk) 05:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a valid split from NASCAR on television and radio, alternatively merge to that target. Splitting individual decades keeps the parent article from becoming too cluttered and unreadable. See WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE. @Ajf773: Deletion is not cleanup. Inappropriate content can be removed without needing to delete everything which would potentially be mergeable. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 17:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the YT links then you barely have much left other than unsourced entries. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The events are covered in other articles, for example 1980 NASCAR Winston Cup Series and so forth for every year following that. Those lists are sufficient enough to present what is needed. Ajf773 (talk) 01:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Per GhostOfDanGurney. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NASCAR on television in the 1970s[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, TV schedules, those centrally about the season with the broadcasting being merely mentions and most of those being YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a valid split from NASCAR on television and radio, alternatively merge to that target. Splitting individual decades keeps the parent article from becoming too cluttered and unreadable. See WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 17:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Valid split? ...which is made of YouTube links. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NASCAR on television in the 1960s[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, TV schedules, those centrally about the season with the broadcasting being merely mentions and most of those being YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a valid split from NASCAR on television and radio, alternatively merge to that target. Splitting individual decades keeps the parent article from becoming too cluttered and unreadable. See WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 17:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Valid split? ...which is made of YouTube links. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NASCAR on television in the 1990s[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of announcments, centrally those about the seasons, WP:PRIMARY, mostly dead and redirected pages, those centrally about the season and mostly YouTube posts; none of these helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a valid split from NASCAR on television and radio, alternatively merge to that target. Splitting individual decades keeps the parent article from becoming too cluttered and unreadable. See WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Valid split? ...which is made of Youube links. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NASCAR on television in the 2000s[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent NASCAR fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of mostly dead and redirected pages, WP:PRIMARY and YouTube posts, not helping this list to assert notability. An WP:ATD will be to merge to NASCAR on television and radio. SpacedFarmer (talk) 18:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a valid split from NASCAR on television and radio, alternatively merge to that target. Splitting individual decades keeps the parent article from becoming too cluttered and unreadable. See WP:SIZESPLIT and WP:NOMERGE. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 17:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Valid split? ...which is made of Youube links. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rugby league[edit]

Serbian Rugby League Cup[edit]

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Unreferenced, fails notabilty Mn1548 (talk) 13:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Alternative merge and redirect to Serbian Rugby League. Mn1548 (talk) 13:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My preference however is to delete, given the state of the article, and lack of information on the competition format, and lack of context of how it fits into the Serbian season. Mn1548 (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There are some sources available in English, European Rugby League has match reports for the finals from 2014 to 2017 and 2021, also a preview of the 2021 final which gives a bit of background history. These could be enough to establish notability. The Serbian RL website (in Serbian) also has lists of winners and of finals, but some data is missing, and there is nothing about an international cup. Due to the lack of match details, such as team lists and scorers, the article could be reformatted as a simple wikitable based on what can be verified. EdwardUK (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou, that page looks alot nicer. 😊 Mn1548 (talk) 13:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New opinion Thanks to EdwardUK I think there are sufficient sources to keep the article. Mn1548 (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect – Per @Mn1548. Svartner (talk) 22:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - all content has citations and there appear to be enough sources to indicate notability. EdwardUK (talk) 05:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Heil[edit]

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Redirect to List of Hull Kingston Rovers players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Three professional appearances is not notable, oppose above redirect as he has played for multiple clubs, can't even say he spent the most time at KR. Mn1548 (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Hull Kingston Rovers players as he’s not notable enough on his own. Go4thProsper (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Softball[edit]

MonkeySports[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. All the coverage I find is WP:ROUTINE and doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I don't see sources out there. This article reads as WP:PROMO. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:CORPDEPTH. The only sources I see do not provide significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 03:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, doesn't pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tennis[edit]

List of Australian Open broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here? The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As of sources per WP:RS: three of those are about announcment of deals, one is a listing of TV schedules, one just quotes the tourney in passing which has no relevance to this list. Checked WP:BEFORE which resulted in nothing. I would have no objections to a keep if the article was in the same quality of List of Wimbledon broadcasters.

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Delete as per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of French Open broadcasters (2nd nomination) and WP:NOTTVGUIDE. LibStar (talk) 00:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - except this one has better sourcing than the deleted French Open article. It needs to be tidied, but just because it's not up to a good article like Wimbledon broadcasters doesn't mean we delete it. Wimbledon broadcasters shows these articles can be kept and in the discussion on the deleteion of the French article it was mentioned that Wimbledon and Australia are much better. What's next... the US Open Broadcasters article.? Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I do not feel strongly about this page, but I do find the reasons for deletion to be garbage. This is not a TV guide, neither was the French Open page or any other of the tennis tournament broadcasters pages. This statement about the page "to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans; another excessively bloated list that is fit for Fandom but is it encyclopaedic for here?" I find to be the most nonsense. This page is not bloated at all. Since when is something listed in an encyclopedia only because it is popular? The whole point about an encyclopedia (particularly an online one that is not limited in size by printing costs) is that it should contain obscure information (I am not sure a listing of which networks broadcast a major tennis event is that obscure anyway). I would never request any page on wikipedia be deleted, as this goes against what I believe wikipedia should be about. If editors feel pages are not sourced well that is a different issue. If I feel that is the case when I look at a page, I look to find sources (in this page's case many sources may be broadcasts of finals which list the commentators). The only problematic issue with this page (and other Grand Slam TV broadcasters history pages) is that TV broadcast contracts are merging into online streaming contracts (with various limitations to customers based on location) and keeping up with all the different streaming contracts may be problematic going forward. But the pages still have a value when looking back on the era when events were broadcast on TV (for the time being Wimbledon is still broadcast on conventional TV by the BBC, though maybe not for much longer). This change to streaming could easily be overcome by a simple statement "in recent years the event has been available on a variety of streaming services". The No TV guide wikipedia policy that the deletion proposer posted a link to says the following: "An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable." That clearly shows a primary reason for deletion of this article and others like it is bogus.Tennishistory1877 (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wrestling[edit]

Charli Evans[edit]

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Fails WP:NSPORT. No reliable sources in the article or online. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing found about this person, sourcing is largely match reports in non-RS. Oaktree b (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: (Keep) She is one of the most popular active female Australian wrestlers and a pioneer of Pro-Wrestling: EVE. Has worked for companies from three different continents and is accomplished. As for the sourcing, the article includes links to trustworthy sites such as fightful.com, voicesofwrestling.com, Squared Circle Sirens, Diva Dirt or Last Word on Pro Wrestling. They might not point her name out, but they clearly demonstrate her work. There also exist several interviews with her from YahooSports and WrestleSports. Unfortunately I didn't include them since they are only audio work. I think she meets the notability criterias and I strongly believe that this article should remain on the mainspace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeyReydar97 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Progress Chapter Two: The March Of Progress[edit]

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No reason why this small show would be independently notable from the parent company. WP:BEFORE didn't show this event was particularly notable. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, thank you for the sincere feedback. However, I believe that a proper categorization and documentation of Progress Wrestling's "Chapter" flagship events should exist. Now I understand that the early chapters might indeed be less notable than the more recent ones but I believe they should be part of the project which has to benefit from clear continuity. The presence of only some of the chapters on the mainspace would disrupt it as this continuity should be sanctioned as a book with pages. Let me know what you think. Regards! JeyReydar97 (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have articles on subjects that aren't notable simply because later similar articles might be notable. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all of these events are also featured on WWE Network's broadcast system as VOD shoes as Progress has held business relationships with WWE. They're pretty popular on that streaming service. JeyReydar97 (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No coverage in RS, nothing found now. Was a decade ago, likely no further coverage. I don't see any sourcing we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 22:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has video coverage on Progress' Youtube channel. I also found written coverages from two trustworthy sites. One of them is 411Mania. They should be more than enough as references. JeyReydar97 (talk) 22:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Perhaps User:JeyReydar97 could combine a couple of these early events into a larger article? Mixed martial arts does something similar for articles such as 2020 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki. JTtheOG (talk) 03:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Mitchell (wrestler)[edit]

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No notable pro wrestler, doesn't meet WP:GNG. 1, he worked on independent promotions. Not enough coverage from third party sources about him for an article. 2, the article is half hoax. He never won titles on OVW, TNA Wrestling, JCW or PWG. Looking his Cagematch profile, just won a few titles. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment looks like, months ago, an IP included Josh Hardy and Ryan Mitchell on several championships as champions, which is fake. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not significant enough and also uses false info. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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