Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saleh Abdulhameed

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I do not see a consensus forming here. Language, contentious sports guidelines and no input after a relist. Star Mississippi 02:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Saleh Abdulhameed

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Subject fails WP:SPORTCRIT due to lack of significant coverage. A search per WP:BEFORE did not turn up any significant coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Football. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bahrain-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:48, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:49, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - 30 international appearances for Bahrain - if you search for his Arabic name which according to NFT is 'صالح عبد الحميد صالح محمد محميدي' then there are hits out there. No evidence that the nominator has looked at the various websites and news pieces to determine whether the coverage is significant or not - and of course there is likely to be offline sources given the level he has played at and country he is from. Giant Snowman 18:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Abdulhameed has spent eight years at Al-Muharraq SC, one of the most successful clubs in the fully professional Bahraini Premier League. The article is in dire need of additional sources. But I think it's fair to assume the player is notable. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:27, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 30 caps for the national team, I can't see why there wouldn't be coverage. Govvy (talk) 16:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no WP:SIGCOV in article, and none provided here; fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT #5. Given the consensus to remove WP:NFOOTY we cannot assume notability based on number of appearances. BilledMammal (talk) 00:45, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've expanded the article using Arabic sources. @Ficaia, GiantSnowman, Robby.is.on, Govvy, and BilledMammal: pinging the involved editors. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @Nehme1499: It looks better, not my language, so verifying sources is tough. But I may lean towards weak keep, still feel it needs a bit more on his international scene. Govvy (talk) 12:02, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep clearly passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Arabic sources are routine match coverage. That does not satisfy WP:GNG. agtx 17:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly there are sources, as demonstrated by Nehme1499. It is also a very fair assumption that a player with 30 international apperances and who has played many years for one of the most succesful clubs in his country is notable, and we should therefore work to improve it and not to delete it. --SuperJew (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment AfDs such as these, and others which have been popping up like snails after the rain, i.e. articles about players who are clearly notable (many international appearances and/or playing for many years and having many appearances for top teams) but the articles are short and lacking sources, are exactly the reason why the SNGs like NFOOTY existed so as not to waste everyone's time on pointless AFDs. Perhaps there should be a better venue to improve articles, but doing it through AFDs is not the right venue. --SuperJew (talk) 18:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - While I appreciate the effort to flesh out the article, none of the added sources appear to be significant coverage (just routine/trivial match reports, injury reports and transfer/contract announcements), and one article with a single paragraph interview response (not independent coverage). It is interesting that he was the first Bahraini national to play in the Saudi first division (but I can't find anything covering his exploits there in detail). There are many, many match reports at www.akhbar-alkhaleej.com that mention him (sometimes even noting he is an "international") but again it's just the most trivial coverage. I suspect this person was profiled in some way that might be significant coverage, but I'm not able to locate it. Perhaps another editor with better Arabic-language translation tools can find it. Jogurney (talk) 18:35, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The cited reference [1] describes his past activities in detail which, IMO, goes beyond routine coverage, meeting criterion 5 in WP:SPORTCRIT. Combined with the other sources and I think WP:SIGCOV is met. EternalNomad (talk) 07:08, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not convinced that article counts towards WP:GNG, but even if it does GNG requires multiple sources, and that is the only one presented. I still support delete. BilledMammal (talk) 09:10, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per above, per improvement, clearly there is enough out there, Govvy (talk) 07:37, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We need more consensus on whether the subject passes WP:GNG
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 18:02, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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