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Category:Kim Campbell

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The result of the discussion was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:09, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kim Campbell (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete One constituent article can (and is now) linked in main article Kim Campbell. Person was prime minister of Canada for less than 5 months and there's not much prospect of expanding category. Snocrates 23:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chris Dodd

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The result of the discussion was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chris Dodd (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Two constituent articles are linked to in main article Christopher Dodd. Not much potential for expansion now that he has dropped out of race for U.S. president. Snocrates 23:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Four Star Television

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The result of the discussion was relisted on jan 22. Kbdank71 17:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Four Star Television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete performer by performance, here actors who appeared in tv series produced by Four Star. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional widows

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The result of the discussion was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional widows (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete people get killed off regularly in fiction, many are married leaving widowers and widows, not defining. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional widowers

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The result of the discussion was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional widowers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete people get killed off regularly in fiction, many are married leaving widowers and widows, not defining. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dealership albums

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The result of the discussion was rename Category:Dealership albums to Category:Dealership (band) albums. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Dealership albums to Category:Dealership (band) albums
Nominator's rationale: Rename for consistency with the article's name Dealership (band). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Trading card games

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The result of the discussion was merge Category:Trading card games to Category:Collectible card games. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Trading card games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete not needed for the 1 article that's there; if kept, some parent cats need to be found. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:P.O.V. films

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The result of the discussion was rename to Category:P.O.V. (TV series) films to eliminate ambiguity. Kbdank71 17:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:P.O.V. films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete variation of performer by performance, here it's film by what program it has been broadcast as part of. What's next Category:Books made into films as part of Masterpiece Theater?. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak, shading toward regular old, keep - this strikes me as akin to a television episodes by series category. I haven't checked every article but a few chosen more or less at random indicate that many of these films were created specifically for the P.O.V. series. Listification may be a solution as well. Otto4711 (talk) 02:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral on deletion, but if kept, expand "POV" Johnbod (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - This seems no different than the episode of series category, it just needs to be renamed to eliminate the ambiguity. Either of the above rename suggestions seem appropriate. Sarilox (talk) 05:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Melchizedek albums

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The result of the discussion was: rename Category:Melchizedek albums to Category:Melchizedek (band) albums. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Melchizedek albums to Category:Melchizedek (band) albums
Nominator's rationale: Rename. to match the article at Melchizedek (band). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Khalistan ideologues

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The result of the discussion was rename. Kbdank71 17:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Khalistan ideologues to Category:Khalistan movement people
Nominator's rationale: Rename, or Delete; it seems almost a people by opinion but if these are the activists for the movement then retaining or renaming the category is in order because "ideologues" is POV and either "people" or "activists" is more normal neutral WP style. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Joe McGinniss Jr. novel

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The result of the discussion was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Joe McGinniss Jr. novel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete another category created exclusively for the to-be-issued book by the guy; the book's article is at afd, the author's eponymous category at cfd below. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Joe McGinniss Jr.

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The result of the discussion was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Joe McGinniss Jr. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete unnecessary eponymous cat for nn author's new book (comes out on 1/15/08) which is at Afd. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Railroad songs

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The result of the discussion was delete without prejudice to recreating as a genre-related category. Kbdank71 17:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Railroad songs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete meant to contain any train song, folk song, etc... by its creator; suffers from all the ills of "songs about" categories; how much about railroads must the song be and what RSes tell us it's at least that much about them. Here, we have the further mess of basically any song that mentions a railroad seems to merit inclusion which makes this even more problematic. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. LeSnail (talk) 23:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is such a standard for folksongs that the song "Folksingers are Boring" parodies the concept. Besides the obvious ones now listed, there is a train raga by Ravi Shankar , used in the movie Ghandi, and a percussion piece by Olatungi. The sounds of a moving (steam) train are often mimicked by the music, as in the two pieces I just mentioned.Pustelnik (talk) 23:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as not defining. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - There is a genre of railroad / train songs, but this category as defined is not that genre, but rather a "theme/subject"-based category. If deleted, it should be without prejudice for creating a genre-related category. If kept, it should be repurposed so it's not about theme or subject of the songs, but collects songs in that genre -- and then it needs to be weeded and repopulated correctly. --Lquilter (talk) 15:51, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I thought about that when I looked at the contents. As long as the genre can be clearly identified in the introduction, I would not object to the recreation you are suggesting. I'm not convinced that we need it, but if there is a consensus... Vegaswikian (talk) 20:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I don't know if it's needed either -- I'm not familiar enough with the genre to check and see if those songs are here, and it doesn't appear to be in Category:Songs by genre or Category:Folk songs. Maybe we could ping someone at some relevant music project? Is there a folk or western music project? --Lquilter (talk) 03:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Villages in Botswana

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The result of the discussion was nomination withdrawn. Bduke (talk) 02:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Villages in Botswana (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Can some explain why these articles exist. I looked at two an the only source was a government report which essentially lists all villages in the country.

See Bere, Botswana Phatom87 (talk contribs) 16:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Keep First, villages are inherently notable per WP standards of inclusion. Second, sourcing from a government source is reliable for whether a village exists, where it is, its population and the like - in fact some of the best sourcing one may expect. Third, even if you don't trust the government of Botswana, for whatever reason, the fact that the articles in a category are unsourced is no reason to delete the category. See WP:DELETE. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Associations in the United States by state

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The result of the discussion was rename. Kbdank71 16:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Associations in the United States by state to Category:Organizations based in the United States by state
Nominator's rationale: Rename and repurpose. These categories seem to be intended to hold non-profit organizations. However, the name "associations" is confusing, and does not obviously refer to non-profits. The categories seem to have been often used without regard for non-profit status, and a couple categories for "non-profit organizations..." also exist as subcategories of these. The name "organizations" is really used to cover this topic in many, many other categories. These categories should therefore be emptied into new ones covering "organizations" in general, and specific "non-profit" categories should be created in instances where there is need for subcategories. --Eliyak T·C 23:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's okay to include companies as a subset of organizations; companies can still also be categorized in the top-level of the state as desired. Is there a downside to that? --Lquilter (talk) 23:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support rename - "Organizations" is a good generic term. "Associations" has a slightly different set of meanings, and while one of them is synonymous with "organizations", other meanings are slightly different -- for instance, looser "associations" that are not, per se, organizations. See Association for a sense of the various terms. --Lquilter (talk) 23:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose rename - Associations conveys professional associations and voluntary associations, which are all non-profit or not-for-profit (which is slightly different, but more or less the same, would all mostly have fairly public-minded purposes and engage in the same causes. Organizations is vague and would naturally include all for-profit businesses, not be a useful category. doncram (talk) 01:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Companies is a subcat of organizations. How is that a problem? (And I'm not sure that "associations" doesn't include commercial -- there are certainly for-profit associations and legal structures that are associations for-profit.) --Lquilter (talk) 02:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The proposer seems to be saying that the categories appear to have been created to list non-profits mainly. Seems proposer would prefer some name like Non-profits, but that may not be so simple, because in fact there are many public-minded associations that are not-for-profits or technically mutual benefit corporations that are technically different than charitable nonprofits. Associations does group together a lot of pretty similar organizations, and excludes the very different for-profit companies. It doesn't seem logical or helpful to go to Organizations, contrary to apparent purpose of the categories. I am not really that interested, shouldn't have entered in at all. doncram (talk) 03:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, don't go away just when it's getting interesting! For more organization fun see Category talk:Non-profit organizations and the 12/31 CFD. Substantively -- I agree that associations feels squishier, but when you start picking it apart, it turns out that both orgs and assns are relatively squishy and have a set of overlapping implications and associations. I've tended to go for "organizations" rather than "associations" as the generic, because it seems there are while both assns and orgs have squishy meanings, assns has several non-squishy meanings, but it's not clear which of them would apply at any time. So Orgs as top, with subcats for legal/profit status, purpose, and so on. --Lquilter (talk) 03:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Agree this is certainly a lower-priority task in the mess that is Category:Organizations .... --Lquilter (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kbdank71 15:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maharashtra, India

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The result of the discussion was merge Category:Maharashtra, India to Category:Maharashtra. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest merging Category:Maharashtra, India to Category:Maharashtra
Nominator's rationale: ", India" is not needed, nor standard. Leo Laursen ( T ¦ C ) 15:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was rename Category:Clubs in Egypt to Category:Clubs and societies in Egypt. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Clubs in Egypt (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Rename to Category:Clubs and societies in Egypt, convention of Category:Clubs and societies by country. -- Prove It (talk) 15:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alumni of the University of Ohio

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The result of the discussion was merge Category:Alumni of the University of Ohio to Category:Ohio University alumni. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest merging Category:Alumni of the University of Ohio to Category:Ohio University alumni
Nominator's rationale: Convention of Category:Alumni by university or college in the United States and correct name of the university. See main article Ohio University to which University of Ohio redirects. LeSnail (talk) 15:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tallest buildings in Jacksonville, Florida

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The result of the discussion was rename to Category:Skyscrapers in Jacksonville, Florida. Kbdank71 16:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Tallest buildings in Jacksonville, Florida (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Better dealt with by a list. Only one building will ever be the tallest, unless I suppose there is a tie. Is this category going to hold the top 5, the top 10. the top 13? How do we decide whether a building is a "tallest building" in a non-arbitrary way? Also, some of the tallest buildings probably don't have articles, which again suggests listifying as a better alternative. LeSnail (talk) 14:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was merge all into Category:Organizations based in Vermont. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Organizations based in Vermont receiving state support (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Organisations based in Vermont receiving state support (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Organisations based in Vermont with state support (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Merge all to Category:Organizations based in Vermont, more appropriate name. -- Prove It (talk) 14:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Victims of psychological abuse

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The result of the discussion was delete. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Victims of psychological abuse (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. How do we define this? And even if we can, I would expect this is so widespread in societies that it is not defining. Snocrates 09:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pre-Reformation UK bishops

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The result of the discussion was rename to Category:Pre-Reformation bishops in England and Wales per scottish precedent. Kbdank71 17:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Pre-Reformation UK bishops to Category:Pre-Reformation British bishops
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Pre-Reformation there was no entity known as the United Kingdom. Use of "British" is supported by category definition, in that it states it is including bishops in England, Wales, and Scotland. Snocrates 09:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Certainly UK will not do, but there are difficulties with British too. (Category:Bishops of Clogher (in Ireland) is included but could be removed.) There is also Category:Post-Reformation UK Catholic bishops ... the UK arrived some decades after the Reformation. Pre-Reformation bishops in Great Britain might work. (British now includes Northern Ireland; eg my passport is British; but this can be disputed.) -- roundhouse0 (talk) 21:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are a number of problems here. Firstly, neither the Catholic nor post-Reformation churches combined England (and Wales), Scotland or Ireland as provinces. Given all the dozens of categories that split the UK very inconveniently between the nations it seems crazy to have these joining them together for no advantage. The parent cats for them are all split by England & Wales, Scotland and Ireland. Secondly, nearly all the sub-cats contain pre- and post Reformation bishops together for a diocese, so the name is fundamentally misleading. Split to Category:Bishops of English pre-Reformation dioceses (or "medieval" or "old") plus Scottish & Irish categories (the Scots are all already in Category:Pre-Reformation bishops in Scotland & only one Irish diocese is included here). Johnbod (talk) 03:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Split as Johnbod suggests, this has been an anomaly. Jaraalbe (talk) 23:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support split and Rename as suggested by Johnbod. Even Britain was not a single polity at the Reformation. Perhaps it should be Category:Pre-Reformation bishops in England and Wales, according to the Scottish precedent. The post Reformation Catholic category presents no difficulty because there were none until the mid 19th century. The one Irish item should be removed to a similar Irish category, which probably needs to be populated, or possibly merged with another existing Irish one. All of these could conveniently be subcategories of British bishops (possibly except the Irish one), and that could conventiently also include post-Reformation Anglican dioceses. Sorry, I have not investigated in detail what categories exist already. However, I supect the whole categfory tree needs some tidying up. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Hong Kong

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The result of the discussion was rename. Kbdank71 16:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Hong Kong to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Hong Kong
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The Catholic Church only has one cathedral in Hong Kong, but it has a number of parish churches that are currently not properly categorized. By renaming the cat, they can be included in the existing category, and we won't have a category that can only have one member article. Gentgeen (talk) 08:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nagoya Railroad

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The result of the discussion was rename Category:Nagoya Railroad to Category:Stations of Nagoya Railroad. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Nagoya Railroad to Category:Stations of Nagoya Railroad
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category name should be used for a parent category of Category:Lines of Nagoya Railroad and Category:Stations of Nagoya Railroad like other categories in Category:Railway companies of Japan. Fortunately the category contains only stations of Nagoya Railroad so the renaming may be the most efficient way to do this. After the completion of the renaming the categories should be edited to create a parent-child relationship. Sushiya (talk) 05:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:City districts and microdistricts built in the Soviet Union

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The result of the discussion was rename Category:City districts and microdistricts built in the Soviet Union to Category:City districts and microdistricts of the Soviet Union. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:City districts and microdistricts built in the Soviet Union to Category:City districts and microdistricts of the Soviet Union
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per usual naming format. Snocrates 04:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Neighborhoods in Mumbai

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The result of the discussion was merge Category:Neighborhoods in Mumbai to Category:Neighbourhoods in Mumbai. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest merging Category:Neighborhoods in Mumbai to Category:Neighbourhoods in Mumbai
Nominator's rationale: Merge, Categories are duplicates. "Neighborhoods" contains only one article and "Neighbourhoods" is the spelling used for other categories of Category:Neighbourhoods in India. Snocrates 04:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. We do not need duplicates. I would not oppose a reverse merge, but consistency is important. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Guntur Countryside

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The result of the discussion was merge Category:Guntur Countryside to Category:Villages in Guntur district. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Guntur Countryside to Category:Villages in Guntur district
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Per category definition, "countryside" category is for small villages and towns in the district. Snocrates 04:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Train Transit in Guntur

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The result of the discussion was rename Category:Train Transit in Guntur to Category:Rail transport in Guntur district. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Train Transit in Guntur to Category:Rail transport in Guntur district
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Change to usual naming convention. Category seems to apply to entire district of Guntur, not just the city of Guntur. Snocrates 04:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Guntur Tourism

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The result of the discussion was rename Category:Guntur Tourism to Category:Visitor attractions in Guntur district. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Guntur Tourism to Category:Visitor attractions in Guntur district
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Change to usual naming convention for tourism sites. Category seems to apply to entire district, not just the city of Guntur. Snocrates 04:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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