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May 25
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category contains 5 redirects and no articles. No help to readers of WP. Richhoncho (talk) 22:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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Disease outbreaks
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose merging:
- Propose renaming:
- Category:Smallpox epidemics to Category:Smallpox outbreaks
- Category:Epidemics in India to Category:Disease outbreaks in India
- Category:Epidemic monuments and memorials to Category:Disease outbreaks monuments and memorials
- Category:Epidemics in art to Category:Disease outbreaks in art
- Category:Epidemic riots to Category:Disease outbreak riots
- Category:Epidemic stubs to Category:Disease outbreak stubs
- Template:Epidemic-stub to Template:Disease-outbreak-stub
- Category:15th-century epidemics to Category:15th-century disease outbreaks
- Category:16th-century epidemics to Category:16th-century disease outbreaks
- Category:17th-century epidemics to Category:17th-century disease outbreaks
- Category:18th-century epidemics to Category:18th-century disease outbreaks
- Category:19th-century epidemics to Category:19th-century disease outbreaks
- Nominator's rationale: per WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, to remove from category space a distinction between "disease outbreak" and "epidemic", because any distinction is not clear enough to allow for objective categorisation.
- The head articles epidemic and disease outbreak both stress that the two term have been used interchangeably. In recent times there have been some efforts to standardise the terminology, by defining "epidemic" as a higher-threshold subset of "outbreak", and setting criteria by which an outbreak can be labelled as an epidemic.
- The hierarchy of terminology is set out quite accessibly at https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/topics/live-well/2020/04/whats-the-difference-between-a-pandemic-an-epidemic-endemic-and-an-outbreak/ .. but that page notes:
- "You can see why it’s so easy to confuse these terms. They’re all related to one another and there’s a natural ebb and flow between them as treatments become available and measures for control are put in place — or as flare-ups occur and disease begins to spread."
- Neither that article nor the general dictionaries offer a clear distinction. For example:
- Merriam-Webster
- Outbreak 1b/ a sudden rise in the incidence of a disease
- Epidemic: noun 1/ an outbreak of disease that spreads quickly and affects many individuals at the same time : an outbreak of epidemic disease
- Cambridge dictionary
- The World Health Organization's page on Definitions: emergencies, offers definitions which are complex, and better-suited to use by medical teams than by an encyclopedia:
- Epidemic: The occurrence in a community or region of cases of an illness, specific health-related behaviour, or other health-related events clearly in excess of normal expectancy. The community or region and the period in which the cases occur are specified precisely. The number of cases indicating the presence of an epidemic varies according to the agent, size, and type of population exposed, previous experience or lack of exposure to the disease, and time and place of occurrence.
- Epidemic threshold: Is the critical number or density of susceptible hosts required for an epidemic to occur. The epidemic threshold is used to confirm the emergence of an epidemic so as to step-up appropriate control measures.
- As far as I can see, that means that the historical opacity and fuzziness of these terms is being replaced in contemporary professional medical usage with an evolving set of criteria specific to each disease type and region.
- This sort of terminological distinction is of course a crucial tool for those working in disaster relief, so that they can apply previously-prepared action plans. But the finely-grained, evolving terminology of frontline practitioners who agree to use terms in a particular way at a given time is a poor tool for categorisation in a general enyclopedia, which needs terminology that:
- can be applied with some reasonable consistency across different historical eras
- avoids finely-nuanced distinctions without clear boundaries
- reflects the usage in the non-technical reliable sources which underpin much of any encyclopedia
- In this case, the broad conceptual distinction is complex enough that this 2002 article was still examining the different definitions. we can save everyone a lot of headaches by just categorising them all as "disease outbreaks", and letting the nuances of labelling be discussed within the articles. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:59, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Related discussion: #Medical_outbreaks, below --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, I had the impression that "outbreak" is only applicable in the stage before experts refer to it as an epidemic by certain measures of size and severity, i.e. that the term "outbreak" is no longer applicable once it becomes an official epidemic. I see some of that back in the above definitions though admittedly not very clearly. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Seconded. GPinkerton (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Question, if we are going to merge it, why not a reverse merge? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I guess I haven't explained the problem clearly enough, so I will try to simplify:
- The two terms are sometimes used interchangeably. But where there is a distinction, disease outbreak is the more inclusive term. That is: all epidemics are outbreaks, but not all outbreaks are epidemics.
- So we can't do a reverse merge (renaming all outbreaks as epidemics), because not all outbreaks are epidemics.
- An outbreak doesn't cease to be an outbreak just because it is defined by some or all people as an epidemic.
- https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/topics/live-well/2020/04/whats-the-difference-between-a-pandemic-an-epidemic-endemic-and-an-outbreak/ is quite helpful, which is why I quoted from it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:14, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I dispute that "outbreak" is more general or inclusive than "epidemic". "Outbreaks" are merely epidemics that have not (yet) broken out (!) into epidemics or pandemics. GPinkerton (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Certainly merge somehow because of overlapping content. If other editors agree with using "disease outbreaks" as the overarching term I'll happily accept that. If there is going to be discussion about it, "diseases" or "disease outbreaks and epidemics" might be alternative merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Category:Diseases is a very different set of articles. For example, smallpox is a disease; but these categories do not include the broad articles on each disease. They are for articles about instances of the disease in a specific time and place. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral
At this step I would oppose or favour renaming to epidemics.While epidemics has a clear scientific definition which is standardized worldwide thanks to WHO, an outbreak can be pretty much anything. I guess that we would therefore pretty much always have RS telling us if a situation is an epidemic or not. The question is, really, if a disease outbreak that is not an epidemic is something defining or not. Place Clichy (talk) 08:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)- @Place Clichy, unfortunately the WHO has not standardised the distinction. It has set a framework for making the distinction, but that framework is applied in very different circumstances, against incomplete and changeable data, and against developing understanding of the diseases involved. As one of the other sources notes, The distinction between the words “pandemic,” “epidemic,” and “endemic” is regularly blurred, even by medical experts. This is because the definition of each term is fluid and changes as diseases become more or less prevalent over time.
- If we have an article an article about a disease outbreak which is not an epidemic, then being an outbreak is the defining attribute of it. Not having categories for such articles would be perverse. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- PS Here is an example of an article about a set of outbreaks, which do not seem to be clearly defined as an epidemic: 2012 outbreak of Salmonella. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:19, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- OK then, I guess I am confused by my native language where the cognate of epidemic clearly is the most standard term, and is also the usual translation for outbreak. This seems to be the case in many languages when you look at how many interwiki links there are on Category:Epidemics (68) and Epidemic (104), many of them cognates of epidemic, compared to Category:Disease outbreaks (11) and Disease outbreak (13). If there's one epidemic that seems hard to juggle, it is that of monosyllables (or in this case, disyllables) in the English language. My first gut would be to prefer a precise word rather than an imprecise one. Still, I'll trust your analysis on this and remain neutral. Place Clichy (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- I support Place Clichy's initial arguments: epidemic has been used for millennia in many languages, and has been the term for the phenomenon in English far more commonly and for longer than has this terrible compound word "outbreak" or "out-break". GPinkerton (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- OK then, I guess I am confused by my native language where the cognate of epidemic clearly is the most standard term, and is also the usual translation for outbreak. This seems to be the case in many languages when you look at how many interwiki links there are on Category:Epidemics (68) and Epidemic (104), many of them cognates of epidemic, compared to Category:Disease outbreaks (11) and Disease outbreak (13). If there's one epidemic that seems hard to juggle, it is that of monosyllables (or in this case, disyllables) in the English language. My first gut would be to prefer a precise word rather than an imprecise one. Still, I'll trust your analysis on this and remain neutral. Place Clichy (talk) 16:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- If we have an article an article about a disease outbreak which is not an epidemic, then being an outbreak is the defining attribute of it. Not having categories for such articles would be perverse. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- WikiProject Medicine has been notified.[1] --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support - initially I preferred "epidemic" as the target, but am persuaded as "outbreak" has the broader meaning it should be the target. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- I support epidemic as the target. "Outbreak" has (two) narrower meanings than epidemic in everyday epidemiology (not outbreakology!): both the initial transmission of a contagious disease and an epidemic which is insufficiently broken out to count as an epidemic under certain niche 21st century naming rules. Epidemic in most cases here makes much better sense. GPinkerton (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support or keep as is. I don't see anything particularly wrong with the present setup: Category:Disease outbreaks, subcat Category:Epidemics, subcat Category:Pandemics. Oculi (talk) 11:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Oculi, the problem is that the fuzziness of distinction between "disease outbreak" and "epidemic" creates overlapping categories. I don't see any way in which this fuzzy distinction aids navigation, which is the purpose of categories. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep as is. Agree with Oculi, also dont really see anything wrong with the present setup. Refer to this publication, Disease outbreaks can take the endemic, epidemic, or pandemic proportions depending on the intensity of the pathogen, its mode of transmission, herd immunity, and prevalence and incidence of the illness and disease in the community. Ckfasdf (talk) 14:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Both the outbreaks categories and the epidemics categories contain articles with either outbreak, epidemic or pandemic in the title. So while the differences may be clear for medical professionals (although nominator provided evidence that even that is questionable), for wikipedians the distinction is certainly not clear enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support the merge and rename per nom. Agree that the two terms are too fuzzy to support separate categories, and that "outbreak" is the more inclusive term. Ajpolino (talk) 01:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support the merge and rename. Interesting that the term epidemic is rarely used of the current situation. I guess because "epidemic" carries the implication of something uncontrollable, and people no longer think in that way. Rathfelder (talk) 09:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- This is because it quickly became a pandemic. It has not been called an outbreak either since maybe January. There is also an overlap between epidemic and pandemic. Oculi (talk) 10:16, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support rename and merger per nom. I agree with, and can see there is also evidence in reliable sources, that the distinction between these two terms is not clear enough to allow for objective categorisation, as per BHG. --Tom (LT) (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, as the distinction between an epidemic and a mere outbreak is too fuzzy, but Keep the existing epidemic categories wherever there is no outbreak sibling. Dealing with historical periods, with the less advanced state of medical knowledge, mere outbreaks are unlikely to have articles. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Question: would sub Category:Works about viral outbreaks and its children need to be renamed to disease outbreaks at some point after this discussion? Clearly the viral vs. bacterial nature of the disease outbreak plays little role in works such as Love in the Time of Cholera, The Horseman on the Roof or Death in Venice. Place Clichy (talk) 06:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose There is no benefit to replacing the single word "epidemic" with the compound word "outbreak". General use has "outbreak" referring to all sorts of things breaking out (of), and not just diseases. Epidemic only rarely means anything but "episode of disease". Epidemic is a better, more recognizable, and historically rooted term than is the process of breaking out (of something), especially in terms of contagious diseases. Outbreak is an ambiguous neologism, whereas epidemic has been used to describe epidemics since time immemorial. Modern nomenclature is not suitable for retrofitting historical epidemics with a subtle and not-universally recognized distinction between two types of epidemic (i.e., epidemic and outbreak). In fact, I would rather see the word "outbreak" replaced with "epidemic" in almost all historical cases. Furthermore, the change would be potentially misleading, since "outbreak" in epidemiology can also mean the initial transmission stages of any disease, or the first instance of it, and exclude the rest of the epidemic or pandemic. It should also be noted that we are happy to call the First plague pandemic by that name, even though it does not fit the criteria of modern terminology of being global, affecting as it did the Old World exclusively. In short, I would banish the term "outbreak" and use the universally understood "epidemic" instead! GPinkerton (talk) 19:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I expect an encyclopedia today to use the language of today. I do not think this move is in the right direction in precision nor clarity. I came to this page looking for a clear definition (and example) of an epidemiological curve, not an outbreak curve. (What is that?)
From Johns Hopkins University teach-out on COVID-19 and Epidemiology, "Both epidemic and outbreak refer to a period of time when more cases of a disease occur than is typical in a particular place. If a disease is rare, this might be only a few cases. While if it is more common, we would need to see a very large number of cases before calling something an outbreak. For instance, if we saw even two or three cases of Ebola in New York City, we would call that an outbreak. But we'd have to see many thousands of influenza cases in the same area before we said there was an outbreak of the flu. The term outbreak and epidemic are often used interchangeably. But generally, outbreak is used to refer to something smaller or more contained in space and time. For example, we often refer to the HIV epidemic when discussing the entire course of the disease across the whole world. However, we would only call something and HIV outbreak if we were talking about a particular population over a small period of time. For instance, there was a outbreak of HIV in Indiana from 2011 to 2015. Here's an example about an outbreak of meningitis. In the United States, even though a small number of linked cases of meningococcal diseases is considered an outbreak. Here the county Public Health Department declared a meningococcal disease outbreak at San Diego State University based on only three cases of the disease among undergraduates in a month." [1]
There is a threshold for an epidemic. "Influenza is a good example for considering how we define an outbreak and it’s not just a number of cases we see. So for influenza, we have a couple of ways of looking at an outbreak. One is to compare the amount of deaths that we see from pneumonia and influenza compared to a seasonally adjusted average. So in this figure, we're comparing a seasonal baseline of influenza cases shown in black, it goes up and down each year. And a defined epidemic threshold is slightly above that seasonal baseline that also goes up and down, here shown in black." [2] The figure in reference is at [3]. Peace. Jplvnv (talk) 20:51, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Nothing wrong with the present tree: Category:Disease outbreaks, subcat Category:Epidemics, subcat Category:Pandemics. Also rename Category:Works about viral outbreaks (and subcats) to Category:Works about disease outbreaks. 94.179.245.243 (talk) 11:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
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Catholic cathedrals
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 00:17, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Catholic cathedrals in Armenia to Category:Cathedrals in Armenia
- Propose merging Category:Catholic cathedrals in Chile to Category:Cathedrals in Chile
- Propose merging Category:Catholic cathedrals in Cyprus to Category:Cathedrals in Cyprus
- Propose merging Category:Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea to Category:Cathedrals in Eritrea
- Propose merging Category:Catholic cathedrals in Jordan to Category:Cathedrals in Jordan
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the Catholic parent categories are useful in case there is a split between Roman Catholic and Eastern Catholic, but in the above countries there is only one subcategory, making this category layer redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:SMALLCAT, as a part of the established series Category:Catholic cathedrals by country. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- No, it is only established insofar it contains two subcategories. The above 5 are exceptions on that. The Roman Catholic tree consists of 174 subcategories, the Catholic tree only 42 (which should become 37 as nominated). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, also per WP:SMALLCAT. Category:Catholic cathedrals by country is a coherent structure that needs to be kept, especially because of the confusion people make between Catholic and Roman Catholic and the little understanding most people have of the Eastern Catholics. That's precisely why an intermediate Catholic layer is necessary. Placing Roman Catholic and Eastern Catholic separately at the root of a category subtree would be akin to presenting Anglican and Episcopalian topics as part of two different faiths, while in both cases they belong to a single communion. Note that there is also potential for expansion at the Cathedrals in... layer, because in all countries cited except Chile there are notable Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox cathedrals. Place Clichy (talk) 08:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Place Clichy. In the Levant, such distinctions are important. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:57, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per BrownHairedGirl's rationale. Dimadick (talk) 10:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Split may not be covered yet. PPEMES (talk) 21:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. We might as well start deleting every category that has less than 4 entries on this rigid interpretation of WP:SMALLCAT. Inter&anthro (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose All of these, because in all cases, there may well be cathedrals of other denominations: Cyprus is largely Greek Orthodox; Armenia has its own orthodox denomination. Eritrea probably has Coptic cathedrals. There is Anglican Church of Chile with 4 dioceses, so that there should be another 4 cathedrals there. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Medical outbreaks
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename all Timrollpickering (talk) 23:34, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose renaming:
- Nominator's rationale: This is a followup to WP:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_7#Category:Medical_outbreaks, which renamed Category:Medical outbreaks to Category:Disease outbreaks, but did not include any of the subcats.
- I deplore the use of WP:CFDS as a way of renaming subcats which could and should have been included in the original nomination, so despite Cgingold's request that the 2016 CFD include all the categories which they chose to neither list nor tag, I am listing all these here for a full discussion.
- However, I agree with Cgingold's 2016 rationale:
that the standard term for this topic is 'Disease outbreaks', whereas 'Medical outbreaks' is something of an oddity
. - Note also that the head article is at disease outbreak, whereas medical outbreak is not even a redirect.
- It was moved[2] from outbreak to Disease outbreak on 26 March 2020, with the edit summary
outbreak has other meanings
. That seems to me be correct, since Outbreak (disambiguation) has plenty of entries, including Tornado outbreak, and the dictionaries offer several meanings, including Merriam-Webster and the Cambridge Dictionary. - Here is a comparison of the usage of the terms 'Disease outbreak' and 'Medical outbreak'. The sets have been chosen per WP:Search engine test as sets which concentrate reliable sources:
Source | Medical outbreaks | Disease outbreaks |
---|---|---|
JSTOR | 5 | 3,252 |
Google Scholar | 33 | 991 |
Google Books | 190 | 444 |
- Gbooks shows about a 5:2 preference for "disease outbreak", but Gbooks includes plenty of non-scholarly works. But JSTOR and Gscolar are 100% scholarly, they prefer "disease outbreak" by 700:1 (JSTOR) and 33:1 (Gscholar).
- That seems clearcut to me. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Notifications: WikiProject Disaster management has been notified[3].
WikiProject Medicine has been notified[4]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC) - Tagging: The categories have all been tagged, in these 189 edits[5] --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Related discussion: #Disease_outbreaks, above --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Discussion of medical outbreaks
[edit]- Rename per BHG. The article title Disease outbreak seals it for me. I'm not even sure Medical outbreak makes any sense when you think about it. --RexxS (talk) 18:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @RexxS I think that the most literal meaning of "medical outbreak" would be an "outbreak of medicine". Something like this: For years, the people of Xanadu had treated their ailments with herbs and prayers, but in February 1487 there was a sudden medical outbreak. But by the end of the following month, the region was festooned with hospitals and clinics in which white-coated people dispensed magic potions and miracle cures. It took almost two years for the outbreak to subside, and Xanadu was not entirely medicine-free until 1501. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename I can sort of see a rationale behind the original choice: we usually talk of medical disasters, not disease disasters. Nonetheless, for the outbreak-themed subcats, "disease outbreak" is the more common term. --
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19:10, 25 May 2020 (UTC) - Rename per nom. There are some omissions: Category:Medical outbreaks in British Overseas Territories is listed but not tagged; Category:Medical outbreaks in the Turks and Caicos Islands is tagged but not listed; and Category:Medical outbreaks in England is neither listed nor tagged. Oculi (talk) 19:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Oculi. I have added the missing categories to the nomination, and tagged both the additions and those which were misssed first time round. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- There remains Category:Medical outbreaks in Wales. Oculi (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Done. No idea how it was missed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- There remains Category:Medical outbreaks in Wales. Oculi (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Oculi. I have added the missing categories to the nomination, and tagged both the additions and those which were misssed first time round. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename per nom and in the spirit of WP:C2D (the fact that the rename has not been reverted in the past two months while the topic is continuously in the news suggests that the new article title is stable enough). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, pending a coherent result of the related discussion above about a potential renaming of #Disease outbreaks to Epidemics. Place Clichy (talk) 08:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy, I sincerely hope that there is no renaming from the broad "disease outbreaks" term to a narrower term "epidemics". That is a counter-proposal which you have made at #Disease outbreaks, and it would exclude articles where the balance of reliable sources doesn't support the term "epidemic". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename, but can we also merge them in the process, to "Disease outbreak by place"? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename, good rationale per nom. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 23:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Medical outbreaks is a very bad name for a category. Rathfelder (talk) 13:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. 1857a (talk) 12:10, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- REname -- I did not sample many but mist had an article Covid-19 in Fooland, which clearly refers to a disease. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Dutch place names in New York (state)
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 09:46, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize places in this way as it is non-defining of the places (example CFDs). This category also appears to be based on incorrect OR - for example, Austerlitz, New York was named after a battle (that was named after the German name of a town) and Knickerbocker is a dab page. There's also this CFD. DexDor (talk) 18:01, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom (without objection to creating a list). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Per the nominator's reasoning. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 22:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support Not defining, no objection to a list. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:18, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom, no objection to create a list (which may already exist). However I wonder how Austerlitz could have been considered Dutch, as not even the Austerlitz/Astaire family is Dutch. Place Clichy (talk) 08:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator, and per WP:SHAREDNAME. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep -- New York State began life as a Dutch colony, and some of the more prominent NY families are of Dutch ancestry. The distribution of Dutch place-names is thus likely to reflect the extent of Dutch settlement at the time of English conquest. Nevertheless purge of silly inclusions at Austerlitz was the name of a battle, whose name looks to me slavic in origin. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- That might be a reason for a list, not for a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Star Trek time travel episodes
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. Remove the movies and place them in a parent category at Category:Time travel in Star Trek. bibliomaniac15 22:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Star Trek time travel episodes to Category:Star Trek time travel stories
- Nominator's rationale: This category contains movies, not only episodes. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Star Trek Generations and Star Trek: First Contact aren't episodes. 147.161.14.48 (talk) 13:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Isn't the more obvious action to remove the movies from the category (and keep the category name)? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Time travel in Star Trek is a phenomenon which deserves a category regardless of episodes vs. films. 147.161.12.101 (talk) 06:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Then still it is better to create a parent category and keep Category:Star Trek time travel episodes as its subcategory. The parent category may well be called Category:Time travel in Star Trek. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Time travel in Star Trek is a phenomenon which deserves a category regardless of episodes vs. films. 147.161.12.101 (talk) 06:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support To better reflect current contents. Dimadick (talk) 10:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:History of Nyasaland
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 June 6#Category:History of Nyasaland
Category:Film about Prahlada
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac15 00:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Film about Prahlada to Category:Films about Prahlada
- Nominator's rationale: "Film" should not be singular as there are multiple films about Prahlada. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support 147.161.14.48 (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy, this could have been listed at WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Impact craters on Earth by region
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac15 22:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: To match what the category contains and to match the other subcats of Category:Landforms by continent. DexDor (talk) 06:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: The category does contain an Arctic subcat, but that could be moved elsewhere (and probably should be changed to an Arctic Ocean category e.g. to match Category:Volcanoes of the Arctic Ocean). DexDor (talk) 17:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support, region is too ambiguous, continent is clear. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support for consistency with similar categories. Grutness...wha? 04:50, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Elena Paparizou
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. bibliomaniac15 00:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Elena Paparizou to Category:Helena Paparizou
- Category:Elena Paparizou albums to Category:Helena Paparizou albums
- Category:Elena Paparizou EPs to Category:Helena Paparizou EPs
- Category:Elena Paparizou video albums to Category:Helena Paparizou video albums
- Category:Elena Paparizou audio samples to Category:Helena Paparizou audio samples
- Category:Elena Paparizou concert tours to Category:Helena Paparizou concert tours
- Category:Images of Elena Paparizou to Category:Images of Helena Paparizou
- Category:Elena Paparizou songs to Category:Helena Paparizou songs
Nominator's rationale: The main article about this artist and its other related pages have been moved following a recent consensus on the talk page, and so the categories about them need to be renamed as well. Keivan.fTalk 05:05, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. I opposed the renaming of the article, but the category name should follow the decision there. Place Clichy (talk) 10:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Grk1011 (talk) 16:04, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Rename to match the main article. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Speedy rename: WP:C2D per Talk:Helena_Paparizou#Requested_move_16_May_2020. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Trade Unions Oppose to immigration
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 00:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Or more likely delete. Fuddle (talk) 01:42, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete instead of rename - not defining. SportingFlyer T·C 04:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OPINIONCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per Marcocapelle. Place Clichy (talk) 10:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete/Rename if Kept Per above WP:OPINIONCAT and certainly rename as proposed if kept. RevelationDirect (talk) 17:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Trade Unions Oppose to immigration makes more sense then just Trade union opposed to immigration. WoodLay (talk) 12:37, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OPINIONCAT. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:25, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OPINIONCAT. No objection to listifying, but this looks like a US category and should not appear to be worldwide when it is not. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Film soundtracks by genre
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 22:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Film soundtracks by genre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Action film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Adventure film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Comedy film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Documentary film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Drama film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Fantasy film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Horror film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Musical film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Science fiction film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Superhero film soundtracks (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Film soundtracks by genre (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: It's trivial to organize music by the other genre of other types of media it accompanies. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:13, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Different genres of film need different types of film score. This is a topic of scholarly study: see e.g. Film Music and Film Genre. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: Any genre of film can be accompanied by any genre of music. Sing-A-Longs and Lullabies for the Film Curious George is an acoustic soft rock soundtrack to a children's film but Muppets from Space is made up of funk music. Superman has a John Williams score with a full orchestra, and the Guardians of the Galaxy films repurpose classic rock. Etc. Knowing that two films share a genre tells me nothing about the content of the music that accompanies them but we do have Category:Soundtracks by genre to navigate the actual recordings by genre. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Justin there are many more issues in choice of film music than what genre of music it is. I see no benefit to readers in depriving them of the chance to browse a set of articles about soundtracks within a given film genre. And I see nothing trivial about the distinction between music for example a sci-fi film and music for a horror film. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: If it's important to have a listing of film soundtracks by the genre of the film rather than the genre of the music, why wouldn't a list suffice, then? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Justin, because per WP:CLS, categories have some advantages both for navigation and for maintenance. No objection to creating lists as well if you want to do that. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep category creator here. I'm not sure I see how organizing soundtracks by the genre of the films they accompany is "trivial". TheAwesomeHwyh 15:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. It doesn't seem unreasonable categorization to me (some examples of where it's "trivial" might help). Also, the nom doesn't explain why no upmerge (to Category:Film soundtracks) is proposed. DexDor (talk) 17:12, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @DexDor: Can you re-word your post above? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've fixed a typo. I don't see any proof that it's "trivial" categorization. Do you have an example of an article which is in one of these categories, but shouldn't be categorized in that way? DexDor (talk) 20:09, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @DexDor: I think it's trivial because I don't imagine users navigating music based on the genre of a different medium. Category:Funk soundtracks seems like a logically navigable way to break up Category:Funk albums and Category:Rhythm and blues soundtracks and I can imagine the value of someone navigating those schemes either as categories or from the bottom of an article. What is the value of navigating different music recordings not by any feature of the music itself but because of some other context in which it appeared? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Justin, that's an argument for categorising soundtracks at all. If the context of usage is as irrelevant as you claim, then the fact that it was used in any film is irrelevant.
- For significance, see the article I linked to above. This is an intersection between two types of art, in which the genre of each art type is a relevant factor. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Oppose The categories reflect the genre of the film and aid in navigation. Dimadick (talk) 10:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment if this nomination closes as keep, which it looks like it will, would anyone object to the creation of Category:Romantic film soundtracks and Category:Thriller film soundtracks? Seeing as the others have been controversial, I want to ask if these seem okay. To be clear, I will not create these unless this discussion closes as keep. TheAwesomeHwyh 18:07, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAwesomeHwyh: sounds fine to me. They should follow the naming convention of the film genre category, so that should be Category:Romance film soundtracks per Category:Romance films. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
- Alright. What would you think about creating a separate version of these categories for television shows? As in, Category:Comedy television soundtracks, Category:Science fiction television soundtracks? Or should that be merged with the existing categories? TheAwesomeHwyh 18:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAwesomeHwyh: probably best to discuss that at WT:TELEVISION. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: thanks! TheAwesomeHwyh 18:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Eh, considering no ones objected I decided to just create Category:Romance film soundtracks and Category:Thriller film soundtracks without waiting. Feel free to add them to the nomination. TheAwesomeHwyh 20:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: thanks! TheAwesomeHwyh 18:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAwesomeHwyh: probably best to discuss that at WT:TELEVISION. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Alright. What would you think about creating a separate version of these categories for television shows? As in, Category:Comedy television soundtracks, Category:Science fiction television soundtracks? Or should that be merged with the existing categories? TheAwesomeHwyh 18:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAwesomeHwyh: I do not at all object, since it's consistent. That's nice of you to ask but yes, the consensus appears to be in favor of what you're proposing, so feel empowered to do it. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:32, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Koavf: Do you mean adding the television category or adding more genres? Also, I accidentally "thanked" a few comments regarding the above collapsed section: I have no comment on it. TheAwesomeHwyh 19:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAwesomeHwyh: Both. Sorry for the long and irrelevant portion above--feel free to ignore it entirely, not just at the arbitrary collapsed point. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Koavf: Do you mean adding the television category or adding more genres? Also, I accidentally "thanked" a few comments regarding the above collapsed section: I have no comment on it. TheAwesomeHwyh 19:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @TheAwesomeHwyh: sounds fine to me. They should follow the naming convention of the film genre category, so that should be Category:Romance film soundtracks per Category:Romance films. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
- Question. Could Category:Film soundtracks be one of those categories that keeps everything in it as a parent category and the more-defined child genre categories (like Love Actually being in Category:British romantic comedy films and Category:British films, by tagging it with {{All included}}? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:42, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:American sitcoms filmed in front of a live audience
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 00:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. It is also very hard to populate without watching every series. Created with Category:American multi-camera sitcoms which is opening Pandora's box IMHO. Fuddle (talk) 00:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC) Fuddle (talk) 00:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Trivial. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Possibly listify, but it wouldn't cause much harm to get rid of it completely. Grutness...wha? 03:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and past decisions on near-identical categories in 2016 and 2018. Place Clichy (talk) 10:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Plus not all sitcoms are filmed, many have been taped. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:23, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Irrelevant to a sitcom's setting or subject matter. Dimadick (talk) 10:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- DElete -- It is also difficult to tell shows with a live audience from those with canned laughter. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:37, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Ships of the South Carolina Navy
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 00:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Military of South Carolina
- Propose Deleting Category:Naval ships of South Carolina
- Propose Deleting Category:Ships of the South Carolina Navy
- Propose Deleting Category:Military equipment of South Carolina
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT)
- These categories are like a Russian nesting doll: you keep clicking but the only article is the ship Indien (1778) which is already well categorized. During the Revolutionary War, the future state briefly had its own South Carolina Navy before it was consolidated with the Continental Navy and, while these categories make sense for independent countries, it's a lot of overhead for an interim political status. (This nomination is separate from the standard Category:Military in South Carolina which is well populated.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 10:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete the rest, but Category:Ships of the South Carolina Navy might be worth keeping, as South Carolina Navy suggests that there were other ships without articles yet. I must express surprise that a frigate should be armed with Swedish 36-pounders as the article states. English ships of the line had 32-pders in their lower deck, these being too heavy for lighter ships such as frigates. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:United States Curling Association Hall of Fame inductees
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 00:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:United States Curling Association Hall of Fame inductees
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:OCAWARD and WP:OCASSOC)
- Most of the United States Curling Association Hall of Fame information I found online was within Wikipedia or on the organization site so this doesn't seem prominent. We already have Category:Olympic curlers of the United States and Category:American curling champions which closely overlap with the articles which generally mention the award in passing. The contents of the category are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Background We recently deleted a Scandinavian curling hall of fame category with similar issues here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, per WP:NONDEFINING and WP:OCAWARD. This is not a defining characteristic of these sportspeople, who are defined by their successes in competition rather than by this recognition of those successes. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- DElete yet more NN OCAWARD cases. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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Category:ISAF Sailing Hall of Fame
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 22:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:ISAF Sailing Hall of Fame
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:OVERLAPCAT)
- The ISAF Sailing Hall of Fame was created by the International Sailing Federation, the Olympic body recognizing for sailing. Being in the Olympics for sailing is definitelhy defining, which is why we have Category:Olympic sailors. Getting this award later for the same earlier effort is not defining. And, for around half of the winners without an Olympic connection, this award still just reflects other earlier accomplishments in yachting such as the America's Cup or holding a sailing record rather than being the source of their fame and therefore defining. We already have the winners listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
- Background We've consistently deleted Halls of Fame that celebrate the earlier success of athletes at the Olympic Games here, here, here, here, here and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This not an Olympic-only HoF. The International Sailing Federation (now "World Sailing") has a much wider scope than just the Olympics. And of the 13 people in the ISAF Sailing Hall of Fame, 7 never competed in the Olympics: Olin Stephens, Ellen MacArthur, Éric Tabarly, Robin Knox-Johnston,
Dennis Conner, Harold Vanderbilt, Peter Blake. That's over 50% non-Olympic.
So in this case, @RevelationDirect needs to do a little more research on the definingness. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: 8 out of 13 inductees were related to the Olympics. (You were mistaken with one of your exceptions, Dennis Conner competed in the Olympics, and Peter Blake (sailor) was a high ranking Olympic official.) I pride myself and accurately describing the contents though, so I clarified that there is a minority of winners who are non-Olympic related above. Does the revised nomination give a more accurate picture of the contents? RevelationDirect (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect, thanks for the correction about Conner. However, I can't find anything about Blake being involved with the Olympics. So with 6 out 13 non-Olympic, I think that the non-Olympic set would be more fairly described as "nearly half". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I counted 7 that competed and 1 official (Blake) but, either way, I updated it to be "about half". (I just edited the underlined section; not sure how to clearly show an edit to an edit here.) When I first went through the cat, I looked at the first half alphabetically (who are almost all Olympic) and not the second half (which are almost all not Olympic. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: for clarification, are you opposing the nomination? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I am not sure yet. The original grounds were largely mistaken, and I'll have to scrutnise the articles to make up my mind. I know the topic moderately well, so I am leaning towards deletion, but I'll have to check before deciding. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I counted 7 that competed and 1 official (Blake) but, either way, I updated it to be "about half". (I just edited the underlined section; not sure how to clearly show an edit to an edit here.) When I first went through the cat, I looked at the first half alphabetically (who are almost all Olympic) and not the second half (which are almost all not Olympic. RevelationDirect (talk) 14:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect, thanks for the correction about Conner. However, I can't find anything about Blake being involved with the Olympics. So with 6 out 13 non-Olympic, I think that the non-Olympic set would be more fairly described as "nearly half". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: 8 out of 13 inductees were related to the Olympics. (You were mistaken with one of your exceptions, Dennis Conner competed in the Olympics, and Peter Blake (sailor) was a high ranking Olympic official.) I pride myself and accurately describing the contents though, so I clarified that there is a minority of winners who are non-Olympic related above. Does the revised nomination give a more accurate picture of the contents? RevelationDirect (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NONDEF and WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- Delete yet more NN OCAWARD cases. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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- ^ https://www.coursera.org/learn/covid19-epidemiology/lecture/nzKaL/step-0-what-is-an-outbreak, Justin Lessler, faculty at the Department of Epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins' Bloomberg School of Public Health. Accessed 2 June 2020.
- ^ Ibid.
- ^ https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html