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Logo of the Batavian Republic of the Netherlands

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Article(s)
Batavian Republic
Request
So far, no one has ever designed (for use on Wikipedia) the correct seal and logo of the Batavian Republic in 1796. The Batavian Republic didn't use the words coat of arms, since they had abolished nobility and anything to do with nobility, including the use of a coat of arms. But they where not against using seals, since they needed those to authenticate official documents, announcements and publications, such as decrees. In the old Dutch Republic the state coat of arms had been the same as the state seal: The Lion of Holland. The Batavian Republic decided to abandon the old seal and decided to create a new one. It took them almost a year since the Batavian Revolution, until on 14 February 1796, they decided for a new seal of the Batavian Republic.

They decided it would be as follows:

A statue of Freedom, resting one hand on a book (containing the declaration of the rights of citizens and human rights), which was lying on an altar, whilst holding in her other hand a spear upright, with on it a Hat of Freedom. On the other side of the altar is a Dutch lion, holding in his claw the red-white-blue flag of the Batavian Republic. On the front side of the pedestal of the altar there are an anchor and a dolphin, depicting commerce and seafaring. The text around the seal was Sigillum Maius Populi Batavi.

For the colors of the red-white-blue flag, please see File:Statenvlag.svg. The top of the flag pole should be either red or gold. Not orange. The dolphin on the front of the altar is in an upside-down position, and it is wrapped around the anchor. On most of the seals I have seen, the lion has it's tongue sticking out.

The Batavian Republic adapted a new state seal per 4 May 1796, and it was in use until 1802.

The logo if for use on Wikipedia in dozens of articles on that subject, where until now they used a wrong logo or coat of arms. Often it was thought that the Jack from the Batavian navy flag was actually the coat of arms of that state, but the depiction, containing the Dutch virgin, holding a shield, a spear with a freedom hat and next to her a lion, was only for use by the navy. For the description in this request, my source is the original text of the decree by the Batavian Republic, as published online by the Netherlands Royal Library (Koninklijke Bibliotheek).

Commons Category: Symbols of the Batavian Republic
-- oSeveno (User talk) 14:50, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I'll give it a shot Image's request under progression Request taken by FOX 52 (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]

@FOX 52: That is great news! Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. --oSeveno (User talk) 09:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@OSeveno: one thing any particular colors? or a standard black & white ?? - FOX 52 (talk) 00:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@FOX 52: Thanks for asking. The Lady Freedom or Liberty is mostly like a Minerva or Pallas Athena, and on her helmet the plumes would be from the front to the back: red-white-blue.
Also, I added a new example image, above. Regards, --oSeveno (User talk) 11:11, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@OSeveno: Can you take at look at the basic seal and let me know if you have any change(s) before I finalize the image - FOX 52 (talk) 02:11, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@FOX 52: Thanks for asking me. Congratulations with this difficult to make design. I couldn't have done it myself. It's a bit difficult for me to see where exactly you are going with the design, since I do not have insight into your creation process. But I'll try. The color scheme I suggested before doesn't entirely work with this design, I now realize. So, I'll be making some suggestions on that. I really like the figure on the design. But the dress and skin colors are melting too much into the background, compared to the other objects, like the plumes, spear or lion. It is a contrast issue. Perhaps try a bit darker blue for background? Something like #93BFDF. Similar, the darker skin features don't stand out enough. Possibly increase the contrast? The color of part of the drape hanging from the right shoulder of the figure needs to be different, I think. It clashes with the blue colors. Maybe something more like #54A2D0 for that? Can you emphasize the female features for the figure a bit more? Last, the right paw of the lion on the ground seems somewhat out of proportion in the depth perception, but I realize this may appear so since you're not done yet. I am assuming in the final version the lion will hold the pole of the flag with one of it's claws? I am exited to see what the final seal will look like, when also the text has been added. Being very thankful you are willing to create this seal. Regards, --oSeveno (User talk) 11:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@OSeveno: That's as good as I can get it, unfortunately there nothing to reference off of. - If you want more changes I'd suggest resubmitting the request. Sorry if I couldn't be more help - Cheers FOX 52 (talk) 00:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ensign of the Royal East African Navy

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Article(s)
Royal East African Navy
Request
Could someone please alter the flag of the former Royal East African Navy (above-left) to bring it more into line with the actual flag of the navy, shown on this page: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/509.html, specifically by replacing the Tudor Crown with the St. Edward's Crown (above-right) on both the top of the badge and in the bottom-right quadrant of it, and by adding the knot shown at the bottom. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 21:53, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
 DoneAlexey Gomankov (talk) 22:15, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Herm, 1950-1953

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Article(s)
Flag of Herm
Request
Would someone please create an SVG file of the flag used by the Channel Island of Herm from 1950-1953, as visible here: http://www.worldstatesmen.org/gb-herm1.gif, using the arms provided above. Thanks. User:Snow Lion Fenian
Graphist opinion(s)

Image's request under progression Request taken by Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 02:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
 Done Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 10:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: Terrific work, thanks for that. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 12:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Flag map 1935

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Article(s)
multiple
Request
Not that I like this kind of map, but please make Japan's sun round instead of octagonal… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Done ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:27, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Air force roundel of Montenegro

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Article(s)
Various
Request

There appears to have been some form of trial roundel used in a few instances. This is the best close-up I have found of it. It is bit beyond my ability to create from scratch. Thanks. Fry1989 eh? 16:06, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Fry1989: Done ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is amazing. Thank you! Fry1989 eh? 19:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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JUUL

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Article(s)
JUUL
Request
make a vector version and move to commons -- Arianator with love (talk) 05:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
 DoneAlexey Gomankov (talk) 19:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Red Ensigns of British Honduras

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Article(s)
Flag of Belize
Request
Could someone please create SVG images of both the 1870-1919 and 1919-1981 civil ensigns of British Honduras, as shown here (effectively the same as the above flags, but in red). Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 18:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)

@Snow Lion Fenian:Image's request under progression Request taken by Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 02:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
 Done Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 11:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: That's great work, and thanks again. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 12:26, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of the Confederacy of Independent Kingdoms of Fiji

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Article(s)
List of Fijian flags, Fiji
Request
Could someone please create an SVG file of the flag used by the short-lived Confederacy of Independent Kingdoms of Fiji (1865-1867), which is described in the Sydney Mail of 12 August 1865 as being an eight-pointed star on a dark blue field. A reconstructed image of the flag can be seen here (ratio 2:3), though I would recommend using the same shade of blue as this flag here. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 12:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)

 Done Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeromi Mikhael: Wow, that was fast, thanks so much again! Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 13:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Changing some terms to English

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Article(s)
1. Body of stomach 2. Fundus 3. Anterior wall 4. Greater curvature 5. Lesser curvature 6. Cardia 9. Pyloric sphincter 10. Pyloric antrum 11. Pyloric canal 12. Angular incisure 13. Gastric canal 14. Rugae[1]
Request
I would like to request for consistency and in view of English-language terms the following edits are made to Image 1:
  1. "Antrum cardiacum" is changed to "Cardia"
  2. "Pyloric part" is changed to "Pylorus"
  3. Fundus, Cardia, Pylorus and Body are all consistently formatted (E.g. all in caps or whatever)
  4. "Incisura angularis" is changed to "Angular incisure"
  5. "Sulcus intermedius" is renamed to "Intermediate sulcus"
  6. Arrows are provided at the top to "esophagus" and at the "pyloroduodenal opening" to "duodenum"
  7. "Pyloroduodenal opening" is renamed to "Pyloric sphincter", and ideally line is slightly adjusted to point to where the two parts of the wall slightly converge, which is where the sphincter is [now that we've got the arrow pointing to the duodenum]

Many thanks for your help! --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)
This ought to be a routine request. But I have failed to find a way to download a working version of File:Gray1046.svg from Commons. Maproom (talk) 20:04, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Maproom: How are you trying to download it, and what program are you using? I managed to get a good copy of it, just now. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:25, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is puzzling. When I look at File:Gray1046.svg, I see a well-constructed and correctly rendered image. But if I then click on "Original file", I get to see https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Gray1046.svg , which has most of the text shown to the left, and not associated with the structure it's about. Maproom (talk) 21:49, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I think it may be an issue with your web browser. What browser and version do you use? (Usually clicking on the menu button, then "Help" then "About [browser name]" will show you the version.) I'd like to see if I can replicate the issue. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 02:10, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Tom (LT): I overwrote the original one. If you click on it and you can't see the difference, hit Ctrl+F5 on your keyboard to force-refresh the page. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

Thanks! {{resolved}}

Coat of arms of the United States (of the Ionian Islands)

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Article(s)
United States of the Ionian Islands
Request
Can a graphical svg be made of the coat of arms of the Ionian Islands please? I've included the British arms it was based on to assist. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:44, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe User:Sodacan can help.KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we even need another file. The original is already a vector, and a very good high quality trace of the original historically correct seal. I would say we use this file as it is. --Sodacan (talk) 03:11, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Sodacan: I just thought it would be good if we had a coloured version similar to the other svg coats of arms that we usually use on here. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This reasoning is fine and others can have a go at it if they like. I will not because I have no evidence as to what colours the different elements will be (except for the royal arms in the middle). Any recreation without basis in historical evidence would be misleading - this is not what I do. Strictly speaking this is not a coat of arms at all but a seal, which by its nature is monochrome. A high quality black and white rendition is all that is necessary, I believe the original file meets this requirement. --Sodacan (talk) 09:14, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Football Cup

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Article(s)
AFC Asian Cup
Request
I need someone who can draw a cup in SVG format like in the example above for this cup. Molecule Extraction (talk) 08:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@FOX 52: That's perfect! Only the ball that is missing out in the centre. Molecule Extraction (talk) 14:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@FOX 52: Now that is fine. 😃 Thank you so much for vectorising the cup. Molecule Extraction (talk) 14:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Image's request under progression Request taken by FOX 52 (talk) 14:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]

@Molecule Extraction: See if that works  Done FOX 52 (talk) 14:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Molecule Extraction: - one football applied - FOX 52 (talk) 14:43, 14 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ripuarian

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Article(s)
List of Wikipedias
Request
please remove underscores from bottom text… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)

Image's request under progression Request taken by FOX 52 (talk) 00:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]

@Kintetsubuffalo: -  Done FOX 52 (talk) 00:07, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Nice to see you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Create hybrid flags

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Diagonally split flag of Germany and Portugal
Diagonally split flag of Democratic Republic of Congo and Haiti BG
Diagonally split flag of Democratic Republic of Congo and France
Article(s)

Category:Internal migrations

Request

Hi to all "wikigraphers", I just discovered this thread and I take the opportunity to submit a few queries here. Is it possible to hybridize this flags, presented just above, diagonally (see the dedicated category in Commons)? Here are the requested mergers (the direction is to be taken into account):

  • France / Italy
  • Germany / Portugal
  • Togo / France
  • Cameroon / Algeria
  • Senegal / Mauritania
  • Democratic Republic of the Congo / Haiti
  • Martinique / France (more complicated because there is no official flag for the first)
  • Democratic Republic of Congo / France

Why create new mergers you will tell me? This can be interesting for articles in Category:Internal migrations, where they can serve as visual input. Ellicrum (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it useful to you if instead we created a template with files that are top and bottom diagonals that you can mix and match? I made an example for France and Germany below, let me know if you can use it in the articles you need and if so I will make more of these.

NikNaks talk - gallery 11:17, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi NikNaks, I really like your idea of ​​a template specially dedicated to hybrid flags. It avoids creating an incalculable number of files, which would have only a minimal use in the encyclopedia (there are still halves of flags to create, but it's less expensive). There is always the concern of proportions between flags (that of the Philippines for example is clearly narrower than most other rectangular flags) but I'm sure it's not a problem for the template.
To answer your question, I tested the template in Germans in France and it works very well (just a small problem of location in the infobox, because it's not centered). Just to quibble, maybe for the concerned page it would be better a left diagonal for Germany and a right diagonal for France (the two that you created would probably be more interesting for a future French in Germany), it's just to better match with the page's title.
As you can see, there is only one article here (English Wikipedia) that could accommodate another cross that I proposed: Congolese people in France (because the others are planned). So as not to bother you too much, you are just doing the eight examples that are required. For later, perhaps it would be interesting to create flags diagonals dedicated to the diasporas of the United States or the United Kingdom. Ellicrum (talk) 22:36, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response!
The intention is to make a library of diagonally chopped flags so that they can be mixed and matched. There would be a top half and a bottom half for France and Germany so you could use it in either combination.
All the flags would be the same ratio (I have opted for 3:2) and use a more limited colour palette, as these are visual cues, not an accurate representation of the flags in most cases (and slicing the flag diagonally breaks most flag codes anyway)!
For centering, the {{Center}} template seems to work.
I'll try to add more this week, but failing that, next weekend. NikNaks talk - gallery 11:12, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've completed all the ones you requested (see above).
All the flag parts are available as subcategories of the category you linked to). Some have an "emblem" that is the central element of the flag that you can use to either overlay two other flags (like I have seen done with the maple leaf and the US and UK flags) or to make it more obvious which flag has been hybridised (like for Haiti above).
Also available are backgrounds without the emblem for flags where the central element gets lost (e.g. Cameroon) or otherwise looks strange.
There are also two dividers (one white, one black) that you can use to separate two flags that look too similar (e.g. France and Italy) or just look strange.
Some of your examples work better than others. Let me know if you want to try something a bit funkier for Portugal or have any more requests. I'm sure someone with better knowledge of wiki syntax could improve the template itself as well. NikNaks talk - gallery 14:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again NikNaks for your work (sorry for the small delay). It's very nice to have isolated in addition the central symbol of some flags and to have added a "black/white line" option (by the way, I didn't know the template:Center). No problem for Portugal, the result suits me very well. Finally, as it's a matter of simply creating diagonals, I think that I could create others directly and for future articles (while completing the template accordingly). Ellicrum (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Air force roundels

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Article(s)
Request
Please create the following roundels.
  • South Sudan: The roundel can be seen here and here. However, please reverse the orientation so the blue triangle is on the left as with the Flag of South Sudan. It is safe to overwrite the current file linked above because that roundel has never been seen on any aircraft. Instead of was taken from this logo. But it hasn't been used as a standalone roundel. If you can also create this logo with the wings and upload as a separate file, that would also be great.

Fry1989 eh? 18:28, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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i have created new files for the roundels:

  • South Sudan:
  • Seychelles:

🌸 𝐖𝐞𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐊^ 🌸 17:06, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Fry1989 eh? 16:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image Fix Request

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Article(s)
Request

RE File:Collier'sSlide.jpg. Hello. I uploaded this boy-dog-water slide image, about six months ago. It replaced one that I uploaded a few years back. The quality is much better, but the major defect remains the brightness in the center portion (going downward). I don't have the ability to make the needed correction with my basic image editor. I thought that maybe "Commons" would be able to improve the backdrop or background, by lessening the brightness variation, so it blends in more. This picture is currently just referred to in the Wikipedia article "Paul Martin (illustrator)." RE reference 220. It also has been uploaded to Commons and appears in four categories.

Jim Percy (talk) 22:53, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I've removed some of the darkness but I think this should have been in the images workshop rather than the illustration workshop. 🌸 𝐖𝐞𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐰𝐞𝐞𝐊^ 🌸 09:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Weegaweek: Okay. Thanks. I was previously wondering which of the two it should be submitted to. Jim Percy (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms of Royal Tunbridge Wells

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Article(s)
Royal Tunbridge Wells
Request
Could the white background be made transparent please? Also could it be possible to be considered to be converted into SVG format? I'm restoring this request as the last one was ignored and the bot accidentally removed the replacement request. The Royal C (talk) 15:49, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, would this either be able to have the background made clear and/or turned into an SVG vector please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The C of E: I think he mean both. Clearing the background is optional, though.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 11:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Irish Yacht Club Ensigns

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Article(s)
List of flags of Ireland
Request
Alright, would it be possible for someone to try and create SVG files of the following ensigns used by the various yacht clubs of Ireland:

1) Clontarf Yacht Club (minus white border)

2) Howth Sailing Club (minus white border)

3) Lough Derg Sailing Club (minus white border)

4) Skerries Sailing Club (minus white border)

5) Royal Western Yacht Club of Ireland (albeit in the 1:2 ratio of the others)

Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 14:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Tokyo Metro Marunouchi branch line symbol

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--Yellowmonkey (talk) 07:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image's request under progression Request taken by FOX 52 (talk) 12:29, 18 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
@Yellowmonkey: -  Done FOX 52 (talk) 05:45, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Ocean Cleanup

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Side view of floating barrier
  • A: Wind
  • B: Waves
  • C: Current
  • D: Cross section of floating barrier.
Vectorised and remade
Top view of floating barrier
  • A: Navigation pod
  • B: Satellite pod
  • C: Camera pod
(There are also nine lanterns situtated every 100 metres along the barrier to provide visibility.)
Vectorised and remade

]] The Ocean Cleanup desperately needs some simple graphics. Ten minutes tops for someone handy. This is very important or something bad will happen: I will open MSPaint and do it!!! I'm serious! Don't make me do it! This would not be good for Wikipedia!

Seriously, please, ten minutes tops. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:50, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source images:

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:05, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There! See those two graphics? Should those be in the article? It's a travesty! :) They must be replaced at once. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:52, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Anna Frodesiak: just some clarity on the issue, you would want two images replaced with something similar to your example(s)? - FOX 52 (talk) 05:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi FOX 52, yes. What weegaweek did was perfect. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image's request under progression Request taken by 🌸 WeegaweeK^ 🌸 16:42, 19 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you, weegaweek! The pics are marvelous and so are you!!!! :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:44, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Metric Convention Map Update

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Article(s)
Metre Convention, International Bureau of Weights and Measures
Request
Needs to be recolored in accordance with up-to-date info Fixmaster (talk) 16:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Image's request under progression Request taken by FOX 52 (talk) 19:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]

@Fixmaster: -  Done FOX 52 (talk) 04:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rinne test

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Article(s)
Rinne test
Request
Please can you illustrate this image to demonstrate the placement of a tuning fork behind the ear in a Rinne test. The current image is of low quality and not appropriate for an encyclopedia. See Google image search for more illustration options and how the test is performed. -- Waddie96 (talk) 14:42, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
Image's request under progression Request taken by FOX 52 (talk) 14:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
@Waddie96: -  Done FOX 52 (talk) 21:46, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@FOX 52: Woah thank you looks great! Waddie96 (talk) 07:22, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@FOX 52: Any chance we could add a seperate image with a slight adjustment, placement of the base on the mastoid area behind the ear, as shown in the bad sketch above. This would be great as it would show the "Placement of the tuning fork on the mastoid, to test bone conduction." which is the other half of the test. The current illustration shows "Placement of the tuning fork in front of the ear, to test air conduction." which is great but it's only half of the test. Thank you so much FOX 52! Waddie96 (talk) 07:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]